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20131026 00:11:11< fabi> shadowm: Can I also disable some of core's terrain?
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20131026 01:00:31< shadowm> fabi: Not really. You can skip the terrain graphic macros and definitions (all or none), but that's all.
20131026 01:00:51< fabi> How can I skip them?
20131026 01:01:24< shadowm> If you check data/core/_main.cfg you'll see a conditional around the terrain graphics dir inclusion.
20131026 01:01:44< shadowm> #ifndef NO_TERRAIN_GFX
20131026 01:02:11< fabi> Yes
20131026 01:02:50< fabi> Where do I put the #define NO_TERRAIN_GFX ?
20131026 01:04:02< shadowm> Probably somewhere in your add-on as early as possible? I don't remember whether data/ is subject to reparsing during the add-on load stage, though.
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20131026 11:00:43< Soliton> iceiceice, shadowm: new replay parsing is live.
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20131026 11:02:18< iceiceice> wow cool! thanks Soliton
20131026 11:03:26< Soliton> iceiceice: thank you for doing the work! :-)
20131026 11:20:53< thunderstruck> Coffee_irc: ping
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20131026 16:14:05< fabi> wesbot: Seen LordBob?
20131026 16:14:05< wesbot> fabi: Sorry, I don't know of LordBob.
20131026 16:14:09< fabi> wesbot: Seen LordBob_?
20131026 16:14:09< wesbot> fabi: The person with the nick LordBob_ last spoke 22d 6h ago.  18d 17h ago they left with the message: Quit: LordBob_
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20131026 17:03:19< irker440> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master f308a26dcb28 / data/ai/micro_ais/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Hunter MAI: switch to using external CAs http://git.io/XF8lnw
20131026 17:03:21< irker440> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master d486c093ac46 / data/ai/micro_ais/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Swarm MAI: switch to using external CAs http://git.io/JhRG9Q
20131026 17:03:23< irker440> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 4d92a3068e62 / / (26 files in 4 dirs): All Remaining Animal MAIs: switch to using external CAs http://git.io/8J_wNw
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20131026 20:15:38< irker440> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master fe16335132c8 / data/ai/micro_ais/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Healer Support MAI: switch to using external CAs http://git.io/IkINXA
20131026 20:15:38< irker440> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master cb6c1cd9e68c / data/ai/micro_ais/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Bottleneck Defense MAI: switch to using external CAs http://git.io/4iEIHA
20131026 20:15:39< irker440> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 323595623be0 / data/ai/micro_ais/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Protect Unit MAI: switch to using external CAs http://git.io/NKg3zw
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20131026 21:53:22< justinzane> Hello everyone...
20131026 21:57:02< justinzane> I've been having fun wading through the codebase and learning (and confusing myself :) ). I've had some ideas, but being an amateur coder I'm pretty sure that most of them are not very **good** ideas.
20131026 21:59:13< justinzane> So, I started to write them up and I'm hoping that some of you may have the time to give me feedback about them. They are linked http://www.justinzane.com/justinzanewesnoth-old-goals.html and https://github.com/justinzane/wesnoth-old/blob/b330036c5a86f5bc5bfcab7d51de017b71f25a04/GOALS.md
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20131026 23:09:01< justinzane> shadowm: I think I remember you saying, a while ago, that you normally build with -Werror. Am I remembering correctly?
20131026 23:09:35< shadowm> Yes.
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20131026 23:15:25< justinzane> Are there any warnings that you specifically ignore? Like -Wparenthesis-equality, -Woverloaded-virtual-function, etc.?
20131026 23:15:31< justinzane> Or are you going through and fixing those?
20131026 23:16:32< shadowm> Any warnings thrown with the default gcc settings we use must be fixed and preferably never land in a commit upstream.
20131026 23:17:27< shadowm> With my scons configuration that's -W -Wall -Werror -Wno-unused-local-typedefs, no additional -W flags of my own.
20131026 23:20:26< justinzane> That make sense. I've been using clang just because rebuilds are significantly quicker and have seen boatloads of their warnings. Thanks.
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20131026 23:22:26< shadowm> Patches to fix warnings on clang would probably be appreciated, otherwise it's probably best to not use strict mode with clang since only mordante regularly builds with it AFAIK.
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20131026 23:29:12< jamit> justinzane: The "WRITE COMMENTS" section: Are you volunteering to do the back documentation? I haven't seen anyone argue that comments are bad, but no one has been motivated enough to systematically fill in the missing comments.
20131026 23:30:39< jamit> justinzane: tHE "ORGANIZATION" SECTION: Have you seen http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Roadmap#New_architecture ? That's another set of improvements that has been long desired, but too boring to get someone to do it.
20131026 23:32:09< jamit> justinzane: Although, I would not like to see those wrapper headers you mention. It doesn't strike me as simplifying Wesnoth files much, and wrapper headers would increase dependencies (increase the number of files to compile if you touch a header file).
20131026 23:33:29< jamit> justinzane: For naming clarifications, you could also include the ambiguity of "team", since in the source code that means "side", while in WML it means a set of allied sides.
20131026 23:34:45< jamit> justinzane: The "Parallelization" section: Have you seen the OpenMP parts of the code? As far as I know, that is what previous ventures into parallel processing turned up.
20131026 23:35:35< jamit> justinzane: The "Separation of Logic from Presentation" section: I thought Wesnoth already did that.
20131026 23:36:04< shadowm> I haven't compiled with openmp support in years.
20131026 23:37:16< jamit> justinzane: The "Serialization" section: I don't see how swapping languages would make the serialization code more efficient. It certainly wouldn't get rid of the redundancies.
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20131026 23:38:23< jamit> justinzane: For the serialization code, the config writer idea would probably have more of an impact than switching languages: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/NotSoEasyCoding#Config_Writer
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20131026 23:39:16< justinzane> jamit: I have been trying to comment the stuff I understand. The big problem is that I don't understand a fair amount of the uncommented stuff. 
20131026 23:39:29< jamit> shadowm: I did some OpenMP compiles last year. Hmm... never did finish tweaking performance based on that, though. I should get back to that some day.
20131026 23:39:40< justinzane> jamit: I'm doing the organization right now in a personal branch.
20131026 23:40:42< justinzane> jamit: thanks for the note about team/side. What would you suggest as a good disambiguation?
20131026 23:40:52< jamit> justinzane: Well, my reaction to "comments be written" is "No duh! Of course they should be written." ;)
20131026 23:41:53< jamit> justinzane: A major obstacle to the team/side issue is that in the source code, sides are 1-based, while teams are 0-based.
20131026 23:42:24< jamit> There is more to standardize than just the names...
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20131026 23:44:03< jamit> A lot of the code base could use major cleaning up, but no one has stepped up to do it. And it is a boring, unexciting job. More reasonable might be to ask people to clean up the code as they work with it.
20131026 23:44:34< justinzane> As far as the openmp goes, that is certainly a good direction, expecially as gcc has just picked up omp4.0 which begins to include heterogeneous execution and clang now has omp3.1 from intel waiting in tree
20131026 23:45:57< justinzane> jamit: as far as the boring shit goes, doing some of that forces me to understand how the code works, which I appreciate. So I am proposing to do that in my branch and hoping that some of it can get merged.
20131026 23:47:51< justinzane> back to ||ization, I do not have any specific in mind at the moment. But, clearly there is major room for improvement in levereaging all available cycles. What I am primarily suggesting is that guidelines be developed for new and updated code so that it is parallelization ready.
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