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20131119 00:17:05< justinzane> fabi: just an update: Got the silly message-passing SDL2 prototype functioning in both directions -- "game client" sends surfaces to "display server" and "display server" sends events bask to "game client".
20131119 00:17:51< shadowm> What is that for?
20131119 00:26:35< irker909> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 1d216319bc00 / src/reports.cpp: Save some gui space by removing the parenthesis around the terrain info. http://git.io/kfknzg
20131119 00:26:37< irker909> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 77321c56c603 / data/themes/macros.cfg: New macro for status boxes. Replaced replay ui toolbar image. http://git.io/LjEmGg
20131119 00:26:39< irker909> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 6fe2267f807b / data/themes/default.cfg: New default terrain using the new artwork. 800x480 still broken. http://git.io/fUhpHg
20131119 00:26:41< irker909> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 8607866d1228 / src/editor/ (action/mouse/mouse_action.cpp palette/terrain_palettes.cpp): Fix bug #21282 http://git.io/JR7aXw
20131119 00:38:24< fabi> AI0867: Why does 8607866d1228 not show up in bug #21282's report?
20131119 00:41:26< shadowm> As I told someone else, no, github can't talk to gna.org, come on.
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20131119 02:03:14< irker125> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 4bfd2240e2d0 / src/tooltips.cpp: Tooltips: ensure that 'use_markup' is always passed by add_tooltip() http://git.io/4hlMmw
20131119 02:04:22< mattsc> fabi, shadowm:  ^
20131119 02:04:34< mattsc> Any other obscure bugs you want me to chase?  ;)
20131119 02:04:51< fabi> mattsc: Oh, thank you very much :-)
20131119 02:05:30< fabi> mattsc: There is indeed another one. But let me prepare my information about it before I send you searching for hints I already know of.
20131119 02:06:15< mattsc> fabi: sure - this time I am _really_ not going to look into it right away anyway.
20131119 02:07:38< fabi> :-)
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20131119 08:13:28< boucman_work> Ivanovic: did you try to contact Valve to talk about steam OS for the gamedev room at Fosdem ?
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20131119 13:57:41< AI0867> boucman_work: most expedient way to do that might be to simply poke sirp
20131119 13:58:24< boucman_work> indeed, sirp could join both as frogatto dev, as wesnoth founder and as a valve employee :P
20131119 13:58:46< boucman_work> but Ivanovic is the one organizing the thing, that's why I started by pinging him
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20131119 16:38:18< irker323> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 1532d8f2b672 / data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/ (ai/unload.lua scenarios/06_Black_Flag.cfg): SotBE S6: unload units from galleons preferentially onto land hexes http://git.io/BWaf7w
20131119 16:40:44< mattsc> hi zookeeper.  Have you looked into the OOS error in Clash of Armies yet?
20131119 16:43:33< mattsc> Assuming that it is really caused by the order of unloading the units, a variation of what I just  committed there for S6 should fix it.  (I wrote it in Lua because it is supposed to go into the AI itself once the functionality for that has been committed.)
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20131119 17:01:01< fabi> Ivanovic: ping
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20131119 17:35:45< fabi> Hell, it does not find an end. The time schedule help section is hardcoded as well.
20131119 17:39:14< mattsc> fabi: :(  Btw, I assume you know that the map panel in replays still overlaps with the right panel?
20131119 17:39:55< fabi> mattsc: Yes, replay is broken at the moment. I am working on it.
20131119 17:40:50< mattsc> fabi: okay, I figured.  No rush, just wanted to be sure it doesn't get forgotten.  :)
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20131119 17:51:15< fabi> mattsc: What do you think about the map border? The one in the editor, should it be part of the game UI as well?
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20131119 17:59:03< mattsc> fabi: not sure, I have mixed feelings about it.  I probably would not add it, but I'm also likely not the right person to ask in such things.
20131119 17:59:36< fabi> mattsc: Can you be more precise? Maybe in German?
20131119 18:00:28< mattsc> I would probably not add the wider map border of the editor to the game UI (unless I misunderstood your question)
20131119 18:01:00< fabi> I am speaking about the fancy deco stuff, gold metal something pattern.
20131119 18:01:03< mattsc> You are talking about the thing that looks like a column (or a twisted cord), right?
20131119 18:01:07< mattsc> yes
20131119 18:01:54< mattsc> It looks pretty, but it takes space away from the map (even if it's just a few pixels).  As I said, I have mixed feelings and generally not very strong opinions on things like that.
20131119 18:02:54< mattsc> In other words, if I did it, I would probably not use it, but I won't complain one way or another.
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20131119 18:53:49< Crendgrim> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39633&view=unread#p562868
20131119 18:54:16< Crendgrim> is the pre-1.6 way even supported anymore? If yes, why? If not, why is the wiki not updated?
20131119 18:55:13< AI0867> we don't support 1.6 either
20131119 18:55:40< AI0867> but the not-in-addon-dir pbl is still supported
20131119 18:55:54< Crendgrim> "the ... way" :p
20131119 18:56:26< Crendgrim> okay, good
20131119 18:57:00< zookeeper> mattsc, nope. haven't had a build to test with yet, but now that 1.11.7's out...
20131119 18:59:10< mattsc> zookeeper: okay, no worries.  Turuk and I will be testing S6 shortly, so I will pay particular attention to replay safety.  If it works (I think it should), we can add it to S11 also if you want.
20131119 18:59:42< zookeeper> sure, go ahead
20131119 19:00:34< mattsc> Well, I'll give you an update after we've done the testing (probably in a week or so)
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20131119 19:01:34< mattsc> I also don't actually know for sure yet whether that is the cause of the OOS errors in S11.
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20131119 20:23:27< mattsc> zookeeper: I have now confirmed that units get unloaded in different locations in the replay than what happened ingame (in Clash of Armies).  So that's definitely what causes the OOS error.
20131119 20:24:01< zookeeper> mattsc, as suspected, then
20131119 20:24:29< zookeeper> i'll check the little test i wrote, tomorrow
20131119 20:24:49< mattsc> zookeeper: great
20131119 20:26:27< zookeeper> maybe i could try liberty while i'm at it :>
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20131119 20:49:27< mattsc> zookeeper: there's also something else going on, the units in the replay also have different names, although the traits appear to be the same.
20131119 20:49:49< mattsc> zookeeper: in game, the names are the same before and after boarding, in the replay they are not.
20131119 20:51:34< zookeeper> mattsc, right...
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20131119 21:38:37< mattsc> I always learn something new ...  I didn't know (or maybe had forgotten, since I haven't done much WML work recently) that turn_number does not get reset from the previous scenario's last value until Turn 1.
20131119 21:39:05< mattsc> Somehow I expected it to be either zero or undefined during prestart and start events.
20131119 21:39:49< mattsc> But this explains why the objectives aren't displayed correctly at the beginning of SotBE S10  (not my doing :) )
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20131119 21:40:58< zookeeper> mattsc, i'm pretty sure i didn't know that either :P
20131119 21:41:30< justinzane> fabi_: Just another FYI... I've gotten my little prototype working well (in a very limited way :)). https://github.com/justinzane/sdl2_tests
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20131119 21:43:28< justinzane> fabi_: The mouse events seem simple enough that conversion to SDL2 will not be difficult. I'm going to see if I can add text editing support to my prototype, so that I have a working SDL2 example to refer to when I'm back to Wesnoth.
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20131119 21:53:07< irker310> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 0ea468563616 / data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/10_Saving_Inarix.cfg: SotBE S10: move objectives from 'prestart' to 'turn 1' event http://git.io/Uscy_A
20131119 21:53:46< justinzane> Is this assertion correct? "Wesnoth does not use alpha-numeric keys for navigation."
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20131119 22:25:19< fabi_> mattsc: That is new to me as well. And I bet it is a bug.
20131119 22:27:32< mattsc> fabi_: yeah.  The main reason why I am bringing it up here is to see if people think it should be considered a bug.  I haven't been around for as long as some of you, so maybe this is a well known feature.
20131119 22:28:41< fabi_> Hmmm, if the final turn of the last scenario is of any value it can be stored in a variable. The turn counter should definitely be zero or one at scenario start.
20131119 22:29:19< fabi_> Thus from my 8 years of being around I judge it is a bug.
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20131119 22:31:11< fabi_> Okay, screen-shots of a 1.12 gui solutions have been around and there was no resistance so far. 
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20131119 22:31:27< fabi_> I am going to finalize the new game UI for 1.12 then.
20131119 22:32:17 * fabi_ wants to know if the 1.12 UI proposal is fine for go. http://imagebin.org/277560
20131119 22:34:40< mattsc> fabi_: just checked out the value of wesnoth.current.turn in Lua.  It's 1 all the way through prestart, start and turn 1 events.
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20131119 22:35:35< fabi_> mattsc: Maybe zero is more appropriate for the prestart one. 
20131119 22:36:24< fabi_> mattsc: But the WML variable is still set to the last scenario's end turn`
20131119 22:36:26< fabi_> ?
20131119 22:36:27< mattsc> fabi_: I'd tend to agree with that.  But 1 is better than 15 (as it was in WML in my prestart even of SotBE S10 earlier today).
20131119 22:36:34< mattsc> yes.
20131119 22:36:46< mattsc> s/even/event
20131119 22:36:49< fabi_> Indeed. And I do not get why lua and wml are not in sync in this case.
20131119 22:37:05< fabi_> The lua code should do exactly the same.
20131119 22:37:25< mattsc> I'd assume that it is just a question of the WML variable not being updated from the system variable, while Lua accesses the latter directly.
20131119 22:37:43< mattsc> But that's a guess, based on nothing ...  :P
20131119 22:37:58< fabi_> Well, lua accessing the system instead of the wml variable is design error, isn't it?
20131119 22:38:14< fabi_> Anyway, do you like to fill a bug report about it`
20131119 22:38:15< fabi_> ?
20131119 22:38:38< mattsc> Will do (but I'll wait a couple hours in case somebody speaks up who knows about this already)
20131119 22:39:02< fabi_> mattsc: Anonymissimus is the head of the lua department iirc.
20131119 22:39:51< fabi_> mattsc: There are most likely two bugs: 1) WML variable not reset 2) Lua not relying on the variable
20131119 22:40:28< mattsc> fabi_: I'd (think that I) disagree that Lua should go through the WML variable.
20131119 22:41:06< mattsc> Lua generally access C++ objects directly , not their WML equivalents.
20131119 22:41:08< fabi_> Yes, that is debatable.
20131119 22:41:16< mattsc> I think this is consistent with that.
20131119 22:41:26< mattsc> But again, that's based on my limited understanding of the matter.
20131119 22:41:43< fabi_> I do not know much about the lua stack either. 
20131119 22:41:56< fabi_> You might be very right on the matter.
20131119 22:42:45< mattsc> fabi_: Concerning your UI layout, what I have noticed in my limited amount of playing with it is that there is no description of the terrain in words any more available through mouse-over.  So you need to know the difference in the symbols between, for example, shallow water and deep water.
20131119 22:43:17< fabi_> mattsc: Yes, have you noticed the context menu entry "Terrain Description" ?
20131119 22:43:19< mattsc> But after I noticed that there is a distinct difference, it wasn't very hard to distinguish them any more.
20131119 22:43:32< mattsc> Yes, I have.  That's actually how I found out about it.
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20131119 22:44:12< fabi_> I think LordBob did a great job on the symbol icons.
20131119 22:44:24< mattsc> But I don't always have to click on the context menu to know what terrain it is (I find the visual distinction between deep and shallow water quite difficult sometime)
20131119 22:44:36< fabi_> The only one that I do not get that easily is "Costal Reef" terrain.
20131119 22:44:39< mattsc> *don't always want to have to ...
20131119 22:44:55< fabi_> Yes
20131119 22:45:05< bumbadadabum> mattsc: Wasn't there a "high contrast water" add-on in 1.9?
20131119 22:45:12< mattsc> fabi_: my point is that it takes a little getting used to, but that it is easy enough, so I'm good with it.
20131119 22:45:17< fabi_> bumbadadabum: There was.
20131119 22:45:36< bumbadadabum> I think I had that installed as well
20131119 22:45:51< fabi_> mattsc: I must admit, I would like to have a written description of the terrain at top level as well.
20131119 22:46:10< fabi_> mattsc: The problem is that this string was always a problem with the gui.
20131119 22:46:37< fabi_> I would be glad if someone comes up with a solution of the problem.
20131119 22:46:48< mattsc> fabi_: sure.  As I said, the symbols are easily distinguishable, once you know what they mean.
20131119 22:47:12< fabi_> They also have a tooltip.
20131119 22:47:36< fabi_> Or is it not working?
20131119 22:48:14< mattsc> fabi_: in game?  (as opposed to the editor?)
20131119 22:48:43< fabi_> yes
20131119 22:48:54< mattsc> also, when you move the cursor up there (besides it being tedious to do so), the terrain icon changes
20131119 22:48:54< fabi_> But I do not know if I get your question.
20131119 22:49:10< fabi_> Indeed. The selected hex field needs to stay there.
20131119 22:49:18< fabi_> That is a bug.
20131119 22:50:40< mattsc> fabi_: does that mean you don't get updates of the terrain as you move the mouse around without clicking?
20131119 22:51:09< mattsc> in the behavior you're suggestion, I mean?
20131119 22:51:21< mattsc> *suggesting   (I need to slow down a bit)
20131119 22:51:24< fabi_> No, it means that if you leave the map the display is falling back to the selected hex field.
20131119 22:51:41< mattsc> ah ...  ok.
20131119 22:51:44< fabi_> This will make the tooltip usable.
20131119 22:51:57< fabi_> Still you have a good point. This is not very accessible.
20131119 22:52:32< mattsc> fabi_: anyway, that was really the only comment I have so far (other than that I can currently not see names of units and some other things in replays), I think it looks good.
20131119 22:53:06< fabi_> I fear that the icons beside the minimap look to technical.
20131119 22:53:59< fabi_> And regarding the terrain name/description again, I could add another info box with the terrain name, at least on high resolutions.
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20131119 22:57:24< mattsc> fabi_: either way is fine by me on both of those
20131119 22:58:25< fabi_> Well the old display says "Evil Elvish Hut" (Evil/Village/Flat).
20131119 22:58:56< fabi_> I think the (Evil/Village/Flat) part is done by the icons nicely already.
20131119 22:59:07< fabi_> So the extra box would only contain the terrain name.
20131119 22:59:16< bumbadadabum> Evil?
20131119 22:59:25< bumbadadabum> what?
20131119 22:59:28< fabi_> Well, I just made this terrain type up.
20131119 22:59:36< bumbadadabum> oh ok
20131119 22:59:39< bumbadadabum> I almost thought
20131119 22:59:46< fabi_> It is evil underground that sucks at your balls if you stay to long at the same place.
20131119 22:59:48< mattsc> So is it the village that is evil or the elves?  :)
20131119 22:59:53< bumbadadabum> you implemented something :p
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20131119 23:01:06< fabi_> Hmmm, I guess the Elves which build their Village on Evil underground are somehow, well, at least strange.
20131119 23:01:20< fabi_> I have that "name=" attribute.
20131119 23:01:29< fabi_> And there is that "editor_name=" attribute.
20131119 23:01:57< fabi_> I could use the "editor_name" one in this box as well.
20131119 23:02:03< fabi_> There is more space.
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