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20131122 00:24:44< justinzane> anyone having problems building the latest HEADS/master with -std=c++11?
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20131122 00:54:23< fabi> hi vultraz
20131122 00:55:09< vultraz> hi fabi 
20131122 00:56:24< fabi> vultraz: I thought we had buttons in high resolutions made by LordBob.
20131122 00:56:59< fabi> vultraz: But I can't find them in the tree. Maybe they are in resources?
20131122 00:57:45< vultraz> fabi: they are the images with "@2x" at the end
20131122 00:58:39< fabi> Yes, but button_square contains no @2x ones.
20131122 00:59:10< vultraz> hm...
20131122 00:59:53< vultraz> you're right
20131122 01:00:06< vultraz> you should PM lordbob, I think
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20131122 01:06:05< vultraz> fabi: also I think I found the problem with the tod dialog. In ebe7ca24c2 you removed a line ("window.set_dirty(true);") saying it was obsolete - is there some newer syntax for that?
20131122 01:07:02< fabi> No
20131122 01:07:23< fabi> I found some 60px buttons on my disc.
20131122 01:07:33< fabi> Too bad that there is no 50px version
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20131122 03:56:56< mattsc> S!eekogel
20131122 03:57:19< mattsc> Umm ...
20131122 03:57:35< mattsc> Wrong window _and_ mistyped ...
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20131122 07:43:58< zookeeper> mattsc, sounds good to me.
20131122 07:47:33 * shadowm just realized the theme UI was updated.
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20131122 08:52:42< shadowm> Well, those are some AI recruitment improvements in 1.11.7. The AI is moping the floor with me in a scenario of my campaign that used to be easy.
20131122 08:54:49< vultraz> Please don't tell me it's E1S1
20131122 08:57:11< shadowm> E1S4.
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20131122 09:06:49< vultraz> E1S4 is easy as hell...
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20131122 09:16:22< shadowm> Yes, I don't need to be informed of this thing that is no longer the case.
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20131122 14:50:03< mattsc> shadowm: flix will be happy to hear that
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20131122 16:08:29< mattsc> zookeeper: well, looks like the unit order problem is a bit more wide-spread and serious than I thought
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20131122 16:33:23< zookeeper> mattsc, yeah
20131122 16:33:52< zookeeper> [store_unit] is the most common place where it creates replay OOS i'd imagine, but there's others too
20131122 16:36:40< mattsc> zookeeper: I'll have a look into it over the weekend, but no promises.
20131122 16:37:01< mattsc> At least I got the prestart/start event thing done, and the replay buttons, so there's some progress ...
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20131122 16:38:05< zookeeper> well, the important thing is knowing what's wrong in the first place. that was a bit of a hurdle, after all.
20131122 16:38:53< mattsc> true
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20131122 17:06:39< mattsc> zookeeper: ugh, I had a quick(ish) look at unit_map.[ch]pp.  I might be in over my head here.
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20131122 18:58:40< fabi> Ivanovic: http://imagebin.org/278459 New attempt on the Pandora UI.
20131122 18:59:52< fabi> Ivanovic: I have used 60x60 buttons for menu and end turn. Also introduced 2 more buttons: Toggle zoom (I think it makes sense that this function is touchable especially on small screen devices) and "Next Unit".
20131122 19:00:33< fabi> The Sidebar and thus the  Minimap got even more bigger than the last time. I hope it is usable yet.
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20131122 19:24:42< fabi> Ivanovic: Hello
20131122 19:24:56< Ivanovic> hi fabi
20131122 19:25:23< Ivanovic> please keep in mind that there should be still some hex left for moving units
20131122 19:25:29< Ivanovic> but yeah, the direction looks great
20131122 19:25:46< fabi> Ivanovic: Well, you know about the false geometrie our hex fields induce?
20131122 19:25:51< Ivanovic> that is: how can i learn about the exact unit "abilities" and what is XP, what is HP?
20131122 19:26:12< fabi> Tooltips
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20131122 19:38:33< fabi> Ivanovic: The current game map covers only about ~7 hex fields in north south direction but ~11 in west east.
20131122 19:38:44< fabi> Because of our hex field geometry.
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20131122 19:39:01< Ivanovic> which is good, since this way there are 77 fields shown
20131122 19:39:23< fabi> I mean, the proposal does so.
20131122 19:39:33< fabi> What you see in the screenshot.
20131122 19:40:31< fabi> My point is: reducing the horizontal map space is not so bad because our geomotry prefers this dimension anyway.
20131122 19:43:20< fabi> Ivanovic: There is still some room left where I plan to show icons for unit abilities and traits.
20131122 19:43:36< Ivanovic> okay
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20131122 19:46:27< fabi> Ivanovic: Okay, so I call this design final for now and commit it. You try it out some day and make it the preset in the Pandora's distribution?
20131122 19:49:35< fabi> Ivanovic: Do you think the zoom and next unit button is useful for touchscreen users?
20131122 19:49:54< Ivanovic> next unit: yes
20131122 19:49:58< Ivanovic> no idea about units
20131122 19:50:21< fabi> ?
20131122 19:51:03< Ivanovic> sorry, about zoom
20131122 19:51:18< Ivanovic> the problem with zoom is that it looks *really* bad
20131122 19:51:58< fabi> Yes, let's call that a bug which can be solved by using a better scaling algorithm.
20131122 19:53:35< fabi> I tried to play a little with the small gui and it is pretty usable if you use zoom.
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20131122 20:05:51< Ivanovic> regarding the minimap size: have you tried e.g. the first scenario in two brothers if things were visible there?
20131122 20:05:56< Ivanovic> or the first scenario in httt
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20131122 20:07:07< fabi> Ivanovic: I will do so now.
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20131122 20:11:02< fabi> Ivanovic: Yes, you can see the terrain and the units on the minimap in first httt. I guess on the pandora it is even better since you usually are not that far away from the screen and no blur because of scaling.
20131122 20:14:18< Ivanovic> great!
20131122 20:15:32< fabi> Ivanovic: Yeah, I am pretty glad that the pandora got its own theme from now on. It means much more freedom when doing the Desktop's 800x480 version.
20131122 20:16:45< fabi> Ivanovic: Have you changed the font sizes for the Pandora?
20131122 20:17:13< Ivanovic> i am using the "default" themefile
20131122 20:17:21< Ivanovic> check for PANDORA ifdefs in there
20131122 20:17:31< Ivanovic> but i think the fonts are the default 800x480 fonts
20131122 20:18:00< fabi> Let's ask the other way around: Can you read the menu items properly?
20131122 20:18:25< Ivanovic> on the pandora: yes
20131122 20:18:52< fabi> Would you prefer them to use a bigger font size?
20131122 20:19:08< Ivanovic> can't say right now, I don't have my pandora with me
20131122 20:19:22< Ivanovic> maybe but not sure
20131122 20:20:05< fabi> Ivanovic: Okay, check that stuff if you have time. Maybe also some buttons like the ones in the main menu screen could use higher resolution images.
20131122 20:20:16< Ivanovic> please remind me to do so on sunday evening
20131122 20:20:28< Ivanovic> right now the pandora is lying in my flat in neu-isenburg with me not being there
20131122 20:20:30< Ivanovic> ;)
20131122 20:20:44< fabi> Ivanovic: Yeah, sorry to bother you but you are the only to me known Pandora Wesnoth user right now.
20131122 20:21:00< Ivanovic> :)
20131122 20:21:10< Ivanovic> maybe ask for testers in #openpandora
20131122 20:21:16< fabi> good idea
20131122 20:21:19< fabi> I will do so.
20131122 20:21:20< Ivanovic> there might be one or two users who have a pandora and wesnoth installed
20131122 20:21:24< Ivanovic> not 100% sure though
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20131122 20:59:06< mattsc> zookeeper: I am not able to recreate a simple test case that reproduces this shuffling of units, not even occasionally.
20131122 20:59:51< mattsc> Whatever I try, no matter how much I try to reproduce the situation in SotBE S11, units are always shown in order of descending underlying_id.
20131122 21:00:05< mattsc> I don't know what it is in that scenario that shuffles things around.
20131122 21:00:32< mattsc> But the thing is, once they are shuffled, it is absolutely reproducible.
20131122 21:04:35< zookeeper> right
20131122 21:05:49< mattsc> ... and with that, I figured it out ...
20131122 21:06:01< mattsc> Let me do a couple more tests though
20131122 21:10:30< mattsc> Well, I can change the order from descending to ascending etc., but haven't quite been able to mix it up yet.  The trick is that one needs to reload a save at some point ...
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20131122 21:14:12< mattsc> Wow, this is weird ...
20131122 21:14:40< mattsc> I'll figure out the logic behind it eventually.  I'll let you know when I get there.  :)
20131122 21:15:18< zookeeper> all right, cool
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20131122 21:33:34< mattsc> zookeeper: so here's what's happening; and it's simple to reproduce (and it produces an OOS error when there _really_ shouldn't be one, I think)
20131122 21:33:45< mattsc> Here's the code I am using to test: http://pastebin.com/n5BAGQcY
20131122 21:34:34< mattsc> Very simple, store all canrecruit=no units and display the ids etc. when I move the side leader
20131122 21:34:35< zookeeper> yeah, i used pretty much identical code before
20131122 21:35:25< mattsc> So, first test (everything is on Turn 1 only):  recruit 4 units, move the leader.  Display is: 7 6 5 4
20131122 21:35:33< mattsc> (for the underlying ids, that is
20131122 21:36:01< mattsc> save replay, an you get the same result (except that every underlying id is 4 higher, but that's a separate issue)
20131122 21:36:31< mattsc> Now do this: recruit 2 units, save the game, load the save, recruit two more units.  Result:  7 6 4 5
20131122 21:37:04< mattsc> Save replay, and play replay: OOS error right at the start, after that the display is: 7 6 5 4
20131122 21:37:29< mattsc> If you could confirm this sometime, that would be great ...
20131122 21:41:40< mattsc> Just tested this in 1.11.5 to make sure it isn't because of one of my other recent changes.  Same result.
20131122 21:43:06< zookeeper> recruited 4 units, moved the leader: 6 5 4 3
20131122 21:43:15< zookeeper> saved and played back the replay: 10 9 8 7
20131122 21:43:40< zookeeper> ...but i guess i'll try the test you asked for next :P
20131122 21:44:25< mattsc> yes, that's the same result as my first test
20131122 21:44:35< mattsc> Well, as the first half of my test, I guess
20131122 21:46:01< zookeeper> recruited two, saved, loaded, recruited two more: 6 5 3 4
20131122 21:46:48< zookeeper> replay from that gives me OOS and 10 9 8 7
20131122 21:47:05< mattsc> Indeed - so that is the same result I am getting.
20131122 21:47:12< zookeeper> also the OOS dialog is really ackward with the buttons in the scrollable part. like, wtf D:
20131122 21:47:35< shadowm> Screenshot?
20131122 21:47:41< shadowm> I thought I had fixed that ages ago.
20131122 21:47:50< mattsc> Btw, I just tested with 1.10.6 also, and the messed up order there is the same, but without the OOS error.
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20131122 21:48:09< mattsc> So it's definitely been around since the stable release ...
20131122 21:48:14< zookeeper> shadowm, this was on 1.11.7, i can grab a screenshot...
20131122 21:48:53< shadowm> A reliable and simple way (i.e. a replay) to get an OOS dialog would also help.
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20131122 21:49:36< mattsc> shadowm: I have that replay.  How do you want me to get it to you?
20131122 21:50:08< mattsc> It OOS-es on the second move
20131122 21:50:20< zookeeper> here's a replay: http://filebin.ca/12qa7lbiAMa5/2p__Den_of_Onis_replay.gz
20131122 21:50:56< zookeeper> and the screenshot: http://imagebin.org/278485
20131122 21:51:07< mattsc> filebin.ca ...  I'll try to remember that
20131122 21:51:20< shadowm> zookeeper: Thanks!
20131122 21:52:34< zookeeper> mattsc, i recommend this thing called bookmarks :>
20131122 21:52:58< mattsc> Nah, that's much too modern for me ...  :)
20131122 21:53:20< mattsc> zookeeper: in any case, so I now I have reliable and easy way to reproduce the problem and can do what anonymissimus suggested.
20131122 21:53:33< mattsc> I also have a pretty good idea what is causing the problem in the first place.
20131122 21:54:30< zookeeper> great
20131122 21:55:20< mattsc> ... and I think that it is a rather serious problem ...
20131122 21:55:30< mattsc> ... given that it is that easy to get and OOS
20131122 21:55:37< mattsc> s/and/an
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20131122 21:56:42< shadowm> zookeeper: Fixed.
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20131122 21:58:31< zookeeper> yay
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20131122 21:58:47< irker708> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master bdb3e2514068 / data/gui/default/window/game_save_oos.cfg: gui2/tgame_save_oos: Use scroll_label instead of label for the main text http://git.io/gk4xTA
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20131122 22:20:31< mattsc> zookeeper: anonymissimus is right, the problem is present in 1.9.9, but not in 1.9.8.  The commit he mentioned is in between those releases.
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20131122 22:32:22< mattsc> oh, I think I suddenly understand what's going on...
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20131122 22:33:55< mattsc> The order of unit_map appears to be stable within a game, without loading.  As a replay plays through the game from the beginning, we get the same results for test cases 1, 2, and 4 above.
20131122 22:34:43< mattsc> By contrast, loading a game that has units on the map inverts the order, so the order for those units already on the map is opposite from those that get created later.
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20131122 22:36:16< mattsc> So if that's the only problem, we could simply make sure that units are put into unit_map in the right when a game is loaded.
20131122 22:36:35< mattsc> The problem is that I have no idea whether that is the only problem, or even how to figure it out.
20131122 22:36:55< mattsc> Anybody have comments on that or ideas?
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