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20131127 00:34:30< mattsc> fabi: how long would the test you want me to do take?
20131127 00:34:45< mattsc> I have a little time right now, but still not a whole lot.  Tuesdays are always really busy.
20131127 00:35:27< mattsc> iceiceice: are you involution on the bug tracker?
20131127 00:35:54< mattsc> If so, do you want me to change that report back to "bug"?
20131127 00:36:09< iceiceice> i am 
20131127 00:36:15< iceiceice> y that would be good thanks ^^
20131127 00:36:36< iceiceice> i tried to register involution but my gna registration email got lost forever it seems
20131127 00:36:42< iceiceice> *you know what i mean
20131127 00:37:27< mattsc> Done - sorry I interpreted your last post as saying it should be changed to a feature request
20131127 00:37:39< mattsc> I see now that that's not what you meant.  :)
20131127 00:52:49< fabi> mattsc: I do not know exactly.
20131127 00:53:05< fabi> mattsc: Let me commit it and then try.
20131127 00:54:53< fabi> mattsc: What kind of pointing device are you using?
20131127 00:55:07< mattsc> mouse or trackpad
20131127 00:55:42< fabi> mattsc: How many buttons`
20131127 00:55:44< fabi> ?
20131127 00:56:56< mattsc> The mouse has three, the trackpad 1, but emulated as a 2-button mouse - or probably 3, but I forgot what the modifier key for the third one is  :P
20131127 00:57:12< mattsc> Shouldn't be too hard to find out ...
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20131127 00:58:23< mattsc> AI0867: just tested your commits again all my test cases work as they should.  Thanks!
20131127 00:58:39< vultraz> Does a scrollwheel count as button 3?
20131127 00:59:19< mattsc> Well, my mouse has a scrollwheel that also acts as a middle-click button.  If so, then it has 4 buttons, I guess.
20131127 01:00:22< fabi> mattsc: Okay, let me tell you what to expect.
20131127 01:00:35< fabi> vultraz: The scrollwhell press event is mapped as button 2
20131127 01:00:43< fabi> one is the left , 3 the right
20131127 01:01:09< fabi> mattsc: All mouse buttons are configurable form the hotkeys preferences menu.
20131127 01:01:52< fabi> mattsc: Most likely after the commit nothing works any more before you bind actions to mouse buttons.
20131127 01:02:32< mattsc> okay
20131127 01:07:09< fabi> mattsc: The left mouse button is only able to select hex fields.
20131127 01:07:19< fabi> mattsc: Or deselect them.
20131127 01:07:35< fabi> mattsc: The right mouse button is for move/attack or the context menu.
20131127 01:10:53< AI0867> k
20131127 01:14:22< AI0867> when did I type that?
20131127 01:14:49 * AI0867 suspects a dead mosh session
20131127 01:25:10< mattsc> fabi, I'll be offline for 30 min.  I'll  check back in after that, but it might be better to do this tomorrow.  I just only have a little time on and off tonight.
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20131127 01:25:35< irker984> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master f5cdb1914999 / data/themes/pandora.cfg: A theme for the open pandora handheld device (800x480) http://git.io/kFRNZg
20131127 01:25:37< irker984> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 280a005bd473 / images/icons/action/ (5 files): Highres icons for unit and zoomdefault actions. http://git.io/6xdB4w
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20131127 01:25:41< irker984> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 08468cce781e / data/core/images/themes/classic/minimap.png: New minimap design. Original art by LordBob, altered by Jetrel. http://git.io/8tmBOA
20131127 01:25:43< irker984> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master dd566b9bc3f6 / images/buttons/sliders/ (slider_arrow_gold-active@2x.png slider_arrow_gold@2x-active.png): Nenamed image file for a higres slider to match the naming scheme. http://git.io/jDix_A
20131127 01:25:45< irker984> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 7e72fc39e024 / data/core/images/themes/ (16 files): Removed old artwork for the default theme. http://git.io/xirc4Q
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20131127 01:26:03< irker984> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 2b0770daeec9 / src/hotkey_preferences_display.cpp: Allow the binding of every mouse button by the hotkey system. http://git.io/2oC8sg
20131127 01:26:05< irker984> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 7af0443080b6 / data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/scenarios/ (03_The_Isle_of_Alduin.cfg 13_The_Dwarven_Doors.cfg 19c_Cliffs_of_Thoria.cfg): Put time schedule macros in use. http://git.io/xPOBQA
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20131127 01:26:09< irker984> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 88986a2480b6 / data/scenario-test.cfg: Added unit to test the UI to the test scenario. http://git.io/XzGW1Q
20131127 01:26:11< irker984> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master f24cd39fd24f / data/themes/default.cfg: New attempt on the game UI. http://git.io/_u-wUQ
20131127 01:26:13< irker984> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 4b16c1fa30f1 / src/controller_base.cpp: Reverse order of context menu and hotkey handling. http://git.io/Vxv4mw
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20131127 01:26:17< irker984> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master f85d83a5d704 / src/reports.cpp: Report about the selected hex when offmap. http://git.io/mCh-Uw
20131127 01:26:19< irker984> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 7e46df919167 / src/ (6 files): New controll hotkey actions for the base game handling. http://git.io/UJEUmQ
20131127 01:26:21< irker984> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 4a8c66c9a43d / data/core/hotkeys.cfg: default bindings for mouse button actions. http://git.io/m62WWg
20131127 01:26:41< fabi> mattsc: ^
20131127 01:26:46< mattsc> fabi: that's a lot of commits ...
20131127 01:26:52< mattsc> Anything I can do quickly?
20131127 01:26:56< fabi> yes but mostly small one
20131127 01:27:08< fabi> Yes, just start a scenario and play.
20131127 01:27:12< AI0867> no, even compiling will take a while ;)
20131127 01:27:40< fabi> Indeed, hotkeys.hpp changed means a near complete recompile.
20131127 01:28:21< fabi> But I guess you all have those 16 core intel core machines.
20131127 01:35:00< mattsc> fabi:  compiling done, starting SotBE
20131127 01:36:08< mattsc> Fabi:  Now what?  You're right, nothing's working.
20131127 01:36:24< fabi> mattsc: Okay, go in the preferences hotkey dialog 
20131127 01:36:35< mattsc> okay
20131127 01:36:41< fabi> mattsc: There is a "Defaults" button.
20131127 01:36:49< fabi> Make sure to close the dialog with "OK".
20131127 01:37:19< mattsc> okay, selcting with left, moving with right button
20131127 01:37:24< fabi> Indeed.
20131127 01:37:35< fabi> Deselection by clicking on a selected hex again.
20131127 01:38:32< mattsc> yes - and working with the trackpad too (I have double-finger-click set as right click - but I wouldn't want to play that way, I think)
20131127 01:39:33< mattsc> maybe I would if I got used to it ...  but did you want me to test reassigning them or something?
20131127 01:39:54< fabi> No, just for general feedback.
20131127 01:40:28< fabi> Ivanovic mentioned that macos users might have problems because they have only one button sometimes.
20131127 01:40:58< mattsc> Well, general feedback is that it appears to work.
20131127 01:41:17< mattsc> Whether I like it or not will take much more time than I have right now.
20131127 01:41:33< fabi> Okay, thank you very much :-)
20131127 01:41:53< mattsc> The problem with the trackpad is that you do only have one button, and that emulating it with a double-finger-click _might_ be awkward.
20131127 01:42:04< mattsc> Or maybe it isn't, I can test it for a while and see.
20131127 01:42:48< fabi> mattsc: The idea behind the feature is to separate "browsing/selection" from "action/change game state" button wise. 
20131127 01:43:07< mattsc> fabi: yeah, I've read the discussions about it.
20131127 01:43:28< fabi> But I can not say much about trackpad or touchscreen issues.
20131127 01:43:47< mattsc> I know that the previous version you had implemented caused me a lot of headaches and unwanted moves, which is bad when there's fog around.
20131127 01:44:19< mattsc> And it wasn't about the right vs. left click, it was something else, but I forgot the details.
20131127 01:44:59< fabi> It was maybe the feature to select hex fields and then the units in reach get highlighted.
20131127 01:45:13< fabi> A click on the units would move them in.
20131127 01:45:14< mattsc> Yeah, that sounds vaguely familiar.
20131127 01:45:50< fabi> I plan to bring the horrible thing back, but only with the separated buttons.
20131127 01:46:07< mattsc> Anyways, this seems to work both with my mouse and trackpad, and it'd be a question of getting used to.  I cannot tell you which one I'd like better in the end, other than right now I of course like the one that I am used to better.  :)
20131127 01:46:30< fabi> Yeah.
20131127 01:46:58< shadowm> I have yet to hear of any such thing as a 16 cores CPU or inexpensive dual-socket configuration.
20131127 01:47:49< fabi> 12
20131127 01:48:12< fabi> iirc 12 cores are already possible with a single socket.
20131127 01:48:28< mattsc> fabi: anything else you want me to test right now?  I do need to be off for real in a couple minutes.
20131127 01:48:40< fabi> mattsc: No, thank you :-)
20131127 01:49:15< mattsc> No worries.  I'll have more time tomorrow if there's a follow-up.
20131127 01:50:20< shadowm> The i7 extreme models have 6 cores and support HT for 12 threads total, but they are expensive as hell.
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20131127 01:53:39< fabi> I think about buying a amd with 4 modules. For compiling they should do fine.
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20131127 04:55:53< fabi> shadowm: The markup used in the help browser is not pango, right?
20131127 04:57:57< shadowm> Yes.
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20131127 05:04:46< fabi> shadowm: Does it have a name?
20131127 05:04:55< shadowm> No idea.
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20131127 05:07:08< fabi> Thank you :-)
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20131127 05:12:59< Espreon> fabi: I like to call it "help system markup"
20131127 05:13:13< Espreon> Well, "the help system markup"
20131127 05:13:38< fabi> makes sense. I guess it is very dedicated to the wesnoth help browser.
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20131127 07:04:51< fabi> shadowm: How do we handle incompatibilities with the preferences file? 
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20131127 07:17:15< shadowm> fabi: Why would there be any such?
20131127 07:17:48< fabi> shadowm: I changed left and right mouse button from being hardcoded to controlled by the hotkey system.
20131127 07:18:08< fabi> shadowm: That works pretty well if you do not have an old preferences file lying around.
20131127 07:18:34< shadowm> Why would an old preferences file be a problem then?
20131127 07:19:10< fabi> But if there is an old one the user must at least press "Defaults" in the hotkey preferences dialog to get anything working beside the context menu.
20131127 07:19:28< shadowm> Why?
20131127 07:19:47< fabi> Because there is no action assigned to the mouse buttons otherwise.
20131127 07:20:09< shadowm> Okay. Why? How is it any different from starting without a preferences file at all?
20131127 07:20:23< Ivanovic> fabi: just check if the entry is in the preferences file
20131127 07:20:31< Ivanovic> if there is no entry: set it to default
20131127 07:20:33< Ivanovic> done
20131127 07:21:46< fabi> hmmm
20131127 07:22:11< fabi> shadowm: If you start without a preferences file the defaults are loaded and saved.
20131127 07:22:34< shadowm> That should be the case for every missing configuration entry.
20131127 07:23:27< fabi> well, it is hard to define a missing hotkey definition.
20131127 07:24:02< shadowm> Why? Testing for the existence of a WML node or attribute is trivial.
20131127 07:25:48< fabi> So you would set every hotkey action not bound to a key to its default?
20131127 07:26:12< fabi> What if the default is already used for something else?
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20131127 07:26:36< shadowm> You could check for that case before assuming the default.
20131127 07:27:27< shadowm> Also, I assume unbound actions are stored explicitly as such rather than just skipping them from serialization.
20131127 07:27:48< fabi> Some users disable certain keys deliberately to not trigger them by accident.
20131127 07:28:27< shadowm> Nothing of what I said precludes that use case.
20131127 07:29:03< fabi> No, unbound ones are not stored in the preferences file.
20131127 07:29:23< shadowm> Then that design needs to be revised.
20131127 07:29:55< fabi> We assign keys to actions.
20131127 07:30:04< fabi> Several keys can address the same action.
20131127 07:30:27< fabi> In case you want a zoom button on the keyboard and your gamepad.
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20131127 07:32:00< shadowm> Serialize all action bindings, including those that have no bindings (by having some separate attribute or magic value to mark them as such). Missing actions from the preferences file are then set to their default bindings when initializing.
20131127 07:32:34< shadowm> There is no need to overthink things. This should cover all use cases while being sufficiently future-proof.
20131127 07:35:33< shadowm> You can go a step further and add a flag to mark actions whose configuration was explicitly changed by the user if necessary, or just detect actions set to their defaults and preempt them from serialization altogether..
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20131127 07:44:05< fabi> shadowm: I would rather check the version a preferences file was written for and act based on that information.
20131127 07:47:46< fabi> Or some other failsafe system which prevents the user from making the game unplayable.
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20131127 08:15:46< irker984> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 66c3df3c9e7f / src/ (terrain.cpp terrain.hpp): Add support for setting vision cost aliases. http://git.io/XxjMOQ
20131127 08:15:48< irker984> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 134da345886a / src/mouse_events.cpp: Restore the select hex then move unit into feature. http://git.io/oG5j7g
20131127 08:19:24< shadowm> I already gave you the hints you needed, and then some more. Take them or leave them.
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20131127 08:20:14< shadowm> If you need someone who may condone broken design instead, I am not that person.
20131127 08:23:14< AI0867> 08:22 < fabi> shadowm: If you start without a preferences file the defaults are loaded and saved. <-- why are defaults saved? Why not, not save them?
20131127 08:25:30< AI0867> you want to store deliberately unbound keys, rather than keys that are still the default
20131127 08:25:45< AI0867> or you could store everything, as shadowm says
20131127 08:26:40< AI0867> 08:44 < fabi> shadowm: I would rather check the version a preferences file was written for and act based on that information. <-- that requires you to check for every version that makes a change to the meaning of the preferences file
20131127 08:28:52< fabi> yes
20131127 08:37:45< AI0867> which sounds like an invitation for bugs
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20131127 13:08:07< Rhonda> Ivanovic, I'm currently pushing 1.11.7 to my Ubuntu PPA.  Do you have that forum thread link at hand, or can easily find it?
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20131127 13:38:28< Rhonda> Found it.
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20131127 23:06:11< shadowm> I thought we switched to Git specifically so people could work on their own branches instead of committing broken code to master all the time.
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20131127 23:12:16< shadowm> What if I do not want to reset all my custom hotkeys to the defaults in order to get working mouse controls again, fabi ?
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