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20131111 22:13:02< UukGoblin> is there a way to show what units I've lost in the current scenario?
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20131111 22:13:23< bumbadadabum> UukGoblin: Statistics
20131111 22:13:30< zookeeper> UukGoblin, i don't think so, as the stats screen shows the whole campaign's losses
20131111 22:13:42< bumbadadabum> zookeeper: I think only the scenario
20131111 22:13:47< UukGoblin> yeah zookeeper that's what I'm seeing
20131111 22:13:47< bumbadadabum> and can be changed to the entire campaign
20131111 22:14:01< bumbadadabum> at least on 1.11.6+dev
20131111 22:14:05< UukGoblin> ah
20131111 22:14:09< UukGoblin> I'm on 1.10.3
20131111 22:14:12< zookeeper> might be a new feature then
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20131111 22:21:40< UukGoblin> uhm
20131111 22:21:49< UukGoblin> a troll just went around my zone of control
20131111 22:22:07< UukGoblin> 'show enemy moves' didn't allow such an action :-O
20131111 22:22:12< UukGoblin> I'm gonna try again
20131111 22:22:24< tdk27> did something get killed out of the way
20131111 22:22:25< tdk27> ?
20131111 22:22:35< UukGoblin> no, it appears not
20131111 22:24:07< celticminstrel> I assume your unit wasn't a goblin or zombie or anything...
20131111 22:25:11< UukGoblin> no, I'm all elves
20131111 22:26:19< UukGoblin> yeah it happened again
20131111 22:29:49< UukGoblin> http://yat.uukgoblin.net/wesnoth/before.png
20131111 22:29:56< UukGoblin> http://yat.uukgoblin.net/wesnoth/after.png
20131111 22:30:09< UukGoblin> the troll just disregarded my defenses and killed the unit in the village :-O
20131111 22:30:56< UukGoblin> he went one step back, around the endire party and entered his final hex from the forest in the lower-right corner
20131111 22:34:03< tdk27> hm. what's off to the left?
20131111 22:34:15< shadowm> Does he have some unique ability?
20131111 22:34:22< UukGoblin> some empty terrain
20131111 22:34:32< UukGoblin> he's resilient, fearless and regenerates...
20131111 22:35:45< UukGoblin> http://yat.uukgoblin.net/wesnoth/wtf_save.gz
20131111 22:35:47< UukGoblin> ^ savegame
20131111 22:35:51< UukGoblin> (from 1.10.3)
20131111 22:37:18< UukGoblin> (just end the turn in the saved game and watch that troll... he seems to do this every time. Sometimes he fails to kill the unit in the village, but always takes this route)
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20131111 22:37:47< UukGoblin> I'll submit a bug report unless you guys spot some obvious mistake in my reasoning...
20131111 22:38:50< celticminstrel> What is this scenario?
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20131111 22:41:06< celticminstrel> It looks buggy from here, but it's entirely possible it's somehow intentional; there are at least two ways to get around zone of control that I can think of as a scenario designer.
20131111 22:41:57< UukGoblin> this is AOI - Valley of Trolls
20131111 22:42:05< celticminstrel> AOI?
20131111 22:42:44< UukGoblin> yes, AOI
20131111 22:42:53< celticminstrel> What does that stand for?
20131111 22:42:56< UukGoblin> An Orcish Incursion
20131111 22:43:03< celticminstrel> Ah.
20131111 22:43:07< UukGoblin> (was just looking it up;-)
20131111 22:43:42< celticminstrel> Isn't that the recommended starter scenario? I'd say that's probably not supposed to happen then.
20131111 22:44:01< UukGoblin> yes, it's one of the basic ones
20131111 22:45:06< celticminstrel> The two ways I was thinking of, as a note, were the skirmisher special, allowing a unit to ignore zone of control, and the stun special (in Dead Water), which temporarily negates it.
20131111 22:45:23< UukGoblin> mhm
20131111 22:45:28< UukGoblin> yeah, I met skirmishers
20131111 22:45:33< UukGoblin> in a different campaign
20131111 22:45:50< UukGoblin> but that troll doesn't seem to have any of those abilities
20131111 22:45:55< celticminstrel> Right.
20131111 22:46:05< UukGoblin> (well, I haven't seen the stun special)
20131111 22:46:27< celticminstrel> Or any other custom special with the same effect.
20131111 22:46:48< celticminstrel> If done properly you'd be able to tell what happened, because the ring would reflect the zone of control.
20131111 22:47:03< celticminstrel> ie, it would become dashed while the unit was stunned.
20131111 22:47:48< shadowm> I doubt there's any code in that scenario to allow enemy units to bypass ZoC.
20131111 22:47:54< UukGoblin> maybe my understanding of the zone-of-control is wrong... but this should show on the show-enemy-moves
20131111 22:48:26< celticminstrel> I'm assuming the troll actually did pass through the zone of control, rather than going around it?
20131111 22:49:02< UukGoblin> celticminstrel, well, he stepped BACK (to the left), went around, and then went into his position from the trees in the lower-left of the picture
20131111 22:49:08< UukGoblin> so he kinda went around it
20131111 22:49:25< UukGoblin> but, "show enemy moves" shows this hex as dark, so...
20131111 22:49:31< UukGoblin> oh wait...
20131111 22:49:34< celticminstrel> So...
20131111 22:49:44< tdk27> I'd asusme you were looking at the moves for a different unit or something?
20131111 22:49:50< celticminstrel> If he passed through the two forest hexes, I think that's right...
20131111 22:49:57< UukGoblin> ok, I'm stupid... I moved a unit that was way below that stuff
20131111 22:50:13< tdk27> but was just near enough to have a zoc effect up there?
20131111 22:50:25< UukGoblin> it's all good
20131111 22:50:29< UukGoblin> it's my fault ;-)
20131111 22:50:32< celticminstrel> Yay!
20131111 22:50:46< UukGoblin> some other dude was ZOCing him further down and I didn't notice it ;-]
20131111 22:50:49< celticminstrel> I should do some Wesnoth stuff sometime.
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