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20131212 00:29:09< shadowm> I sent an email to the developers mailing list.
20131212 00:29:31< shadowm> Just a heads up since I've got the impression not everyone with commit access actively watches it.
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20131212 00:30:54< irker200> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth-old:master 4048b66acedf / src/multiplayer_connect.cpp: added party full notification sound http://git.io/J1DpaA
20131212 00:30:55< irker200> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth-old:master 15e9f63c031b / src/multiplayer_connect.cpp: changed notification sound to "turn bell" which is better http://git.io/E_0xSA
20131212 00:30:57< irker200> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth-old:master 880d9f68a92d / src/ (game_config.cpp game_config.hpp multiplayer_connect.cpp): added game_config::sounds::party_full_sound, defaults to turn bell http://git.io/1bVLcQ
20131212 00:31:00< irker200> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth-old:master e95c964373ff / src/multiplayer_connect.cpp: changed the logic for the bell: http://git.io/B8zNCg
20131212 00:31:01< irker200> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth-old:master a3dfc2404c44 / data/core/about.cfg: add self to about.cfg http://git.io/cpaUpg
20131212 00:31:04< irker200> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 11c038214e5a / / (4 files in 2 dirs): Merge pull request #85 from cbeck88/party-full-bell http://git.io/SFfzZg
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20131212 00:35:12< irker200> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 72d41a25855d / changelog players_changelog: Update changelog http://git.io/lzTGOg
20131212 00:35:15< irker200> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 08de5f705789 / data/core/about.cfg: Amend credits entry formatting http://git.io/2PDjkw
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20131212 02:32:05< shadowm> Hm, unit_type appears to support hp_bar_scaling and xp_bar_scaling attributes...
20131212 02:34:08< shadowm> fabi: Please document these in UnitTypeWML too.
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20131212 10:54:28< irker850> wesnoth: Boldizsár Lipka wesnoth-old:master 714d7772147d / src/ (3 files): Enable searching for levels by name on the mp create screen. http://git.io/077VIQ
20131212 10:54:28< irker850> wesnoth: Boldizsár Lipka wesnoth-old:master fbbcea11b4e0 / src/ (3 files): get_levels_by_type -> ..._unfiltered, get_filtered_levels_by_type -> http://git.io/lWuUlg
20131212 10:54:28< irker850> wesnoth: Boldizsár Lipka wesnoth-old:master 29198c3206f8 / src/multiplayer_create_engine.cpp: Ignore case when filtering levels. http://git.io/aTIQDg
20131212 10:54:29< irker850> wesnoth: Boldizsár Lipka wesnoth-old:master 8b8e270ce3f8 / src/multiplayer_create_engine.cpp: Return campaign names when campaign names are requested. http://git.io/aKWJBQ
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20131212 10:56:19< lipkab> ^The ignore case thing doesn't work on non-ASCII characters right now; someone more familiar with how Wesnoth and C++ handles locales could have a look.
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20131212 13:44:18< irker850> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master d12a0f706e02 / src/actions/attack.cpp: Create (and delete) defender_stats_ alongside attacker_stats_ (bug #21277) http://git.io/qMJVIA
20131212 13:44:20< irker850> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master e76a18d0f2c2 / / (9 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of github.com:wesnoth/wesnoth-old http://git.io/BTUn4A
20131212 13:44:28< AI0867> fabi: ^
20131212 13:44:42< AI0867> it broke in 28029ae78c12ac4ac1
20131212 13:44:56< AI0867> because attacker_stats_ was created but defender_stats_ wasn't
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20131212 14:23:38< fabi> hi Turuk
20131212 14:23:44< Turuk> hi fabi
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20131212 15:08:10< thunderstruck> fabi: Hi.
20131212 15:08:22< fabi> thunderstruck: hi
20131212 15:08:51< fabi> thunderstruck: Adding force_lock_settings=yes fixed some LoW problems.
20131212 15:09:09< thunderstruck> fabi: What problems?
20131212 15:09:37< fabi> But that was more or less guesswork because the wml reference about the attribute is telling me nothing.
20131212 15:10:06< fabi> I was able to replace Kalenz and Landar with other leaders from the chosen faction.
20131212 15:11:37< thunderstruck> I'll tell a look at this. force_lock_settings was supposed to affect the GUI. I.e. make some things locked.
20131212 15:11:43< thunderstruck> So, that's a bit strange.
20131212 15:12:00< thunderstruck> I'll take a look*
20131212 15:12:35< thunderstruck> fabi: Did you encounter any other problems?
20131212 15:15:26< fabi> well, this is about locking UI elements
20131212 15:17:47< thunderstruck> fabi: It seems that I misunderstood you then. So, how and when you were able to replace Kalenz and Landar with other leaders?
20131212 15:21:13< fabi> At the end of each scenario you get back to the screen where you assign players to sides.
20131212 15:21:46< thunderstruck> fabi: Did you play in debug mode?
20131212 15:22:06< thunderstruck> I mean, did you start wesnoth with debug mode?
20131212 15:22:41< fabi> I don't know.
20131212 15:22:57< fabi> Debug mode was used to switch between the scenarios.
20131212 15:23:07< fabi> But I don't remember when I activated it.
20131212 15:25:48< thunderstruck> fabi: When Wesnoth is launched with debug mode, you can shoose any MP campaign's scenario. Even if the ones with 'allow_new_game=no'.
20131212 15:26:09< fabi> yes i know
20131212 15:26:18< thunderstruck> I added force_lock_settings=yes in LoW only for scenarios with 'allow_new_game=yes'.
20131212 15:26:39< fabi> indeed
20131212 15:28:19< thunderstruck> So, if Wesnoth would be launched in normal way, it should not be possible to select a new leader or any other options in LoW's case.
20131212 15:33:39< thunderstruck> fabi: I guess that you want me to update WML reference to explain that attribute in more detail
20131212 15:33:42< thunderstruck> ?
20131212 15:35:21< fabi> yes
20131212 15:35:26< fabi> please
20131212 15:36:28< thunderstruck> fabi: Ok, no problem.
20131212 15:36:57< fabi> thunderstruck: I talk about the selection screen between the scenarios. Thus your argument with the debug mode makes no sense to me.
20131212 15:37:59< thunderstruck> fabi: That screen is displayed only when 'allow_new_game=yes' for the next scenario.
20131212 15:38:08< thunderstruck> Thus, with debug mode it is always displayed.
20131212 15:38:32< thunderstruck> By the way, that screens is called MP Connect.
20131212 15:38:40< thunderstruck> screen*
20131212 15:38:51< fabi> okay
20131212 15:39:07< fabi> does it hurt to set force_lock_settings=yes to every scenario?
20131212 15:39:28< thunderstruck> fabi: Anyway, I wanted to ask what new features for mp campaings do you think must go in before the freeze?
20131212 15:39:28< fabi> I mean, exchanging the leaders does not make much sense, even in debug mode, does it?
20131212 15:39:38< thunderstruck> fabi: No, it does not hurt.
20131212 15:39:56< thunderstruck> fabi: force_lock_settings actually just provides a default value for other attributes.
20131212 15:40:17< fabi> It might make sense if the players keep their team color.
20131212 15:41:26< thunderstruck> fabi: Do you think that should happen by default to every MP campaign or just LoW?
20131212 15:42:16< fabi> hmmm
20131212 15:43:17< thunderstruck> fabi: My take is that changing this for every MP campaign would be a bit confusing, since force_lock_settings=yes would then lock everything, but team colors.
20131212 15:44:03< thunderstruck> I would like to keep it simple and just add team_color=no in LoW, where appropriate.
20131212 15:45:24< fabi> team_color=no ?
20131212 15:45:51< thunderstruck> maybe it's color_lock. I can't remember :(
20131212 15:46:30< thunderstruck> Yes, it is color_lock.
20131212 15:47:00< fabi> Okay, let's say I disable the team color lock in the chapter's starting scenarios. Does that mean that the side of a player keeps this color?
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20131212 16:01:45< thunderstruck> fabi: It means that a players can choose colors.
20131212 16:02:34< thunderstruck> By the way, I didn't add color_lock or most of other locks. They were there before.
20131212 16:03:08< fabi> I know that it means that a player can choose a color.
20131212 16:03:22< fabi> But does that value propagate to the next scenario?
20131212 16:13:54< thunderstruck> No.
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20131212 16:30:28< bumbadadabum> elias: I looked into why my add-on doesn't work on units.wesnoth.org, and it seems to choke on a macro that was defined earlier in the file, and that should work
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20131212 16:57:43< thunderstruck> fabi: So what about new features for MP campaigns?
20131212 17:02:30< fabi> thunderstruck: A proper side color handling for them would be cool but maybe not for 1.12.
20131212 17:02:54< fabi> thunderstruck: I think the current system is more or less feature complete.
20131212 17:03:26< thunderstruck> fabi: And how do you imagine 'proper side color handling'?
20131212 17:04:10< fabi> thunderstruck: It is more urgent to get the UI in a proper state.
20131212 17:05:06< fabi> thunderstruck: One thing that is still not solved is the Era being selectable in the LoW setup.
20131212 17:11:13< thunderstruck> fabi: That's more like a GUI issue in my opinion.
20131212 17:11:29< fabi> sure
20131212 17:11:30< thunderstruck> It should be possible to make gui::menu disabled
20131212 17:12:29< thunderstruck> As a workaround, I guess we could hide eras menu and display some text instead.
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20131212 17:14:00< AI0867> shadowm: regarding https://gna.org/bugs/?20893 , when you say 'pack' you mean the file the add-on is stored in?
20131212 17:14:47< fabi> thunderstruck: MP connect dialog, a missing feature is to see which player plays whom.
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20131212 17:17:21< fabi> thunderstruck: Currently I only see the type and the gender of the side to play. The names of the protagonists would be useful as well. 
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20131212 17:20:12< thunderstruck> Yes, leader's 'name' attribute could be used there.
20131212 17:20:24< thunderstruck> The question is just where to put it in that dialog :)
20131212 17:22:52< thunderstruck> fabi: Perhaps split the 'Faction' column into 'Faction' and 'Leader' columns?
20131212 17:23:22< thunderstruck> Then display the button for leader selection and leader's name in 'Leader column'.
20131212 17:23:41< thunderstruck> 'Faction' column will then have only faction selection button.
20131212 17:24:35< thunderstruck> But there is not enough space for that in 800 width resolution/
20131212 17:26:35< fabi> below the player name?
20131212 17:28:00< thunderstruck> fabi: If 'Computer Player' is selected as player type, another drop-down appears and it will take up that space.
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20131212 17:29:51< fabi> hmmmm
20131212 17:32:29< shadowm> AI0867: Yes.
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20131212 17:46:02< thunderstruck> fabi: Maybe 'Color' column could be used?
20131212 17:46:26< thunderstruck> E.g. we could rename it to 'Color/Name' or something.
20131212 17:46:41< fabi> yes
20131212 17:53:14< shadowm> jamit: Has Upthorn been prodded about #21093 ?
20131212 18:27:36< AI0867> wesbot: bug #21093?
20131212 18:27:40< AI0867> wesbot: bug #21093
20131212 18:27:41< wesbot> Bug #21093  Assigned to: Jody Northup <upthorn>  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20131212 18:27:44< wesbot> Summary: Bank teller crashes next load of test scenario
20131212 18:27:46< wesbot> Original submission: I ran the test scenario (wesnoth -t) and stopped by the "
20131212 18:27:49< wesbot> Bank Teller" hex. The following was stored in persist/demo.cfg:[sub]	[name]	
20131212 18:27:52< wesbot> URL: http://gna.org/bugs/?21093
20131212 18:27:56< AI0867> ah, that one
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20131212 19:30:07< thunderstruck> fabi: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36902762/columns.png
20131212 19:30:32< thunderstruck> I've reordered other columns a bit. What do you think?
20131212 19:31:25< fabi> cool
20131212 19:31:55< thunderstruck> It's just that 'Name' is not very informative.
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20131212 19:37:43< fabi> Maybe it makes more sense to display the name of the side.
20131212 19:43:55< thunderstruck> fabi: Do we have side names?
20131212 19:46:04< fabi> yes
20131212 19:46:23< AI0867> huh, coverity has found a defect in persist.cpp
20131212 19:46:38< AI0867> and yes, it's in the clear_var function
20131212 19:47:13< fabi> AI0867: The test scenario segfaults on my system when I use the persistence variable test function.
20131212 19:47:24< thunderstruck> fabi: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SideWML don't see anything here
20131212 19:49:08< AI0867> fabi: yes, see bug #21093
20131212 19:49:15< AI0867> mentioned here an hour ago
20131212 19:49:25< fabi> thunderstruck: team::name()
20131212 19:49:53< thunderstruck> fabi: Is that unique per side?
20131212 19:51:11< fabi> i think so
20131212 19:51:16< fabi> not
20131212 19:51:22< fabi> I don't think so.
20131212 19:51:33< thunderstruck> So, what's the use of it then?
20131212 19:51:46< thunderstruck> I thought you wanted to know who plays who.
20131212 19:52:22< fabi> It is not a unique id system.
20131212 19:52:42< fabi> The name of a side defaults to the leaders name.
20131212 19:52:51< fabi> but with no_leader=yes
20131212 19:53:12< fabi> it will still read the name= attribute of the side as the side name
20131212 19:53:43< fabi> if you do not have a leader and do not provide a name it should be id.
20131212 19:53:57< fabi> and id defaults to the side num
20131212 19:54:00< thunderstruck> The problem is that teams are not constructed in MP Connect stage.
20131212 19:54:41< fabi> Where did you get "Kalenz" from?
20131212 19:55:06< thunderstruck> "name" in SideWML.
20131212 19:55:06< shadowm> AI0867: Yeah, the persistent variables code has had some other grave issues in the past.
20131212 19:55:34< shadowm> AI0867: Namely #20385.
20131212 19:55:58< fabi> thunderstruck: Well, that sounds fine.
20131212 19:56:52< thunderstruck> fabi: Actually, I could change that to retrieve the name of the leader. flg_manager in mp::connect_engine can give me default leader config.
20131212 19:56:55< thunderstruck> I could use that.
20131212 19:57:26< fabi> hmmm
20131212 19:57:27< thunderstruck> So, if leader was specified in [unit][/unit], its name would still be picked up.
20131212 19:57:45< fabi> Say your side has 5 leaders
20131212 19:58:10< fabi> I guess it is better to rely on the name in the [side]
20131212 19:58:15< fabi> That should be fine.
20131212 19:58:27< thunderstruck> Priority would be given to leader in [side].
20131212 19:58:51< fabi> Well
20131212 19:59:13< fabi> If you can not find name in [side] then the leader would be a good fallback.
20131212 19:59:40< thunderstruck> The logic is already there. flg_manager determines the leader (if any) by looking at all the places.
20131212 20:00:12< thunderstruck> So that correct leader would be displayed in that combo.
20131212 20:00:16< fabi> I am not worried about this cases.
20131212 20:01:25< fabi> You may want to name the side not like any of your leaders.
20131212 20:01:47< fabi> Or you have no leader's at all but the side is still playable.
20131212 20:02:11< thunderstruck> Hmm.. but "name" attribute belongs to to unit, not side.
20131212 20:02:24< thunderstruck> I believe it might be used somewhere else.
20131212 20:02:55< thunderstruck> And if we start using it to name a side, it we might actually name leader as well.
20131212 20:03:32< fabi> It is already used to name leaderless sides, isn't it?
20131212 20:03:43< thunderstruck> I don't know that.
20131212 20:04:13< thunderstruck> I got to go now. Bye.
20131212 20:04:27< thunderstruck> I'll be online tomorrow and we could talk if you'll be available.
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