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20131217 08:46:26< Coffee_irc> hi thunderstruck
20131217 08:46:33< thunderstruck> Good morning.
20131217 08:46:45< Coffee_irc> have you done your last exam?
20131217 08:47:05< thunderstruck> Not yet. It's happening later today.
20131217 08:47:17< Coffee_irc> what are you doing here then? :P
20131217 08:48:59< thunderstruck> Well, my irc client launches together with my tmux session..
20131217 08:50:33< Coffee_irc> if it were me I would come back online for stuff like irc after the exams are over
20131217 08:55:00< thunderstruck> I'm not sure if revising on the same day as exam can actually change anything.
20131217 08:55:31< Coffee_irc> well, for me it is about not being distracted by other htings, but some people go to the movies on the same day and are fine
20131217 08:56:05< Coffee_irc> remember you only have one chance to do a good job of each exam ;)
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20131217 08:58:48< thunderstruck> Yeah, maybe that works for you. I'd go crazy if I'd devote all my time on revision.
20131217 08:58:52< thunderstruck> It's dead boring.
20131217 08:59:04< Coffee_irc> what exam is it?
20131217 08:59:15< thunderstruck> Lambda calculus stuff + logic.
20131217 08:59:31< thunderstruck> propositional logic*
20131217 08:59:33< Coffee_irc> do you get practise exams to do?
20131217 08:59:38< thunderstruck> Yes.
20131217 08:59:56< Coffee_irc> you think the exam is going to be like the practise exam?
20131217 08:59:58< thunderstruck> Well, we get previous years exams.
20131217 09:00:37< Coffee_irc> if you have the same lecturer and the last few exams are similar, you should probably expect a similar exam
20131217 09:00:58< Coffee_irc> but if you have a different lecturer, then the exam can be really difficult (from my experience)
20131217 09:02:34< thunderstruck> I'm more worried that my exam is at 5pm/.
20131217 09:02:41< thunderstruck> So much waiting.
20131217 09:03:19< Coffee_irc> I once had an exam in the afternoon, one the next day in the morning and then one in the afternoon on the same day
20131217 09:04:22< thunderstruck> Sounds quite terrible.
20131217 09:04:48< Coffee_irc> yeah, I also learned not to drink coffee just before each exam :)
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20131217 09:12:07< thunderstruck> Campaign: The Uprooting - Legend of Wesmere, Lord (Normal)
20131217 09:12:18< thunderstruck> Coffee_irc: maybe that's how it could look ^
20131217 09:13:35< Coffee_irc> thunderstruck: not bad
20131217 09:17:35< Coffee_irc> thunderstruck: maybe it should be: Campaign: Legend of Wesmere -- The Uprooting, Lord (Normal)?
20131217 09:18:16< thunderstruck> There should be that long dash, which is common in MP lobby dialog.
20131217 09:18:28< thunderstruck> Ahh..
20131217 09:18:39< Coffee_irc> Campaign: Legend of Wesmere (The Uprooting) - Lord (Normal)?
20131217 09:18:40< thunderstruck> I didn't notice that you changed the order as well.
20131217 09:19:06< Coffee_irc> the campaign is not "The Uprooting"
20131217 09:19:24< thunderstruck> Yes, that would make more sense.
20131217 09:19:56< Coffee_irc> I'll change it then
20131217 09:20:11< Coffee_irc> and see what it looks like for the 2nd scenario
20131217 09:20:19< thunderstruck> Maybe Campaign: Legend of Wesmere - The Uprooting - Lord (Normal)?
20131217 09:21:14< Coffee_irc> yes, that makes sense and doesn't confuse the meaning of the brackets (distinguising the thing before it)
20131217 09:24:06< thunderstruck> Coffee_irc: There's another thing which might need to be changed in MP Lobby. I might add a flag for CampaignWML to indicate if players should be able to join the campaign if they don't have it installed.
20131217 09:24:28< thunderstruck> So, the MP Lobby should reflect that and inform users why they can't join the game.
20131217 09:24:38< Coffee_irc> that's a good idea
20131217 09:24:56< Coffee_irc> might also include the name of the addon in case they want to download it?
20131217 09:25:08< Coffee_irc> if easy to do
20131217 09:25:26< thunderstruck> Maybe show it as a tooltip?
20131217 09:25:50< Coffee_irc> yeah, something would be nice as feedback
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20131217 09:29:51< Coffee_irc> thunderstruck: this is what it looks like: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=39430&p=564225#p564225
20131217 09:30:08< Coffee_irc> I suppose it's not that hard to guess :P
20131217 09:30:51< thunderstruck> Looks good. Thanks for doing it :)
20131217 09:31:07< Coffee_irc> I could make the text after Campaign italics?
20131217 09:31:31< Coffee_irc> and the same after "Era:" and "Modifications"?
20131217 09:33:31< irker939> wesnoth: David Mikos wesnoth-old:master 5b86a1036180 / src/multiplayer_lobby.cpp: Rearrange MP Lobby caadvertized campaign description to make it more concise http://git.io/GoERLQ
20131217 09:34:29< Coffee_irc> sorry in advance shadowm for the misspelling in the commit description :P
20131217 09:34:48< Coffee_irc> it's for a good cause
20131217 09:35:06< thunderstruck> Coffee_irc: I think you forgot to put a space after the dash before scenario name.
20131217 09:36:03< Coffee_irc> thunderstruck: yeah, thanks for picking that up
20131217 09:37:56< irker939> wesnoth: David Mikos wesnoth-old:master 7f66f29d73a8 / src/multiplayer_lobby.cpp: Add missing space to MP lobby advertized campaign description http://git.io/HWndUQ
20131217 09:38:44< shadowm> Coffee_irc: Huh?
20131217 09:39:31< Coffee_irc> shadowm: I've seen you berate that gfgtgg or whatever his name is for misspellings and didn't want to be in the same boat :P
20131217 09:39:36< shadowm> There is a difference between a one-time mistake and the habit of neglecting one's spelling and grammar.
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20131217 09:58:07< irker939> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 990ac9a90182 / data/tools/wmllint: note when recruitment mismatches involve non-standard usage classes http://git.io/Yd6liQ
20131217 09:58:09< irker939> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 096417df47de / data/tools/wmllint: create a magic comment for appending custom usage classes http://git.io/nQamdg
20131217 09:58:11< irker939> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 7a014e803011 / data/tools/wesnoth/wmltools.py: refactor macro reference-parsing into its own function http://git.io/XkiNzg
20131217 09:58:13< irker939> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master f2391f0966e2 / data/tools/wesnoth/wmltools.py: preserve spaces inside parentheses for arg http://git.io/7OOd_Q
20131217 09:58:15< irker939> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 195399bcb210 / data/tools/wmllint: replace startswith with re.match in finding lines that begin with macros http://git.io/5pDMfg
20131217 09:58:17< irker939> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 8660806c4271 / data/tools/wesnoth/wmltools.py: change instring to preserve quotes when not used to enclose a macro field http://git.io/lahhjA
20131217 09:58:19< irker939> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master c33b4c47ad17 / data/tools/wmllint: update 1.4's LOYAL_UNIT macro to NAMED_LOYAL_UNIT http://git.io/aS9EJw
20131217 09:58:21< irker939> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 6dde83c3acdb / data/tools/wmllint: auto-recognize the people in the NAMED_*UNIT macros http://git.io/zEYCbg
20131217 09:58:23< irker939> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 39557e88070e / data/tools/wmllint: auto-recognize RECALL characters http://git.io/dUBbng
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20131217 19:48:41< fabi> shadowm: Is there anyone beside you and mordante who now how to code the gui2 wml properly? I am good with the gui1 theme wml but fail with the modern gui2 stuff horribly.
20131217 19:49:06< fabi> Beside the fact that people claim theming wml to be horrible.
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20131217 20:54:32< irker933> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master da20ff90718c / data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/05_To_the_Harbor_of_Tirigaz.cfg: SotBE S5: balancing adjustments to gold, turns, AI parameters http://git.io/wtPg4g
20131217 20:54:32< irker933> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 61516f6b1159 / data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/06_Black_Flag.cfg: SotBE S6: balancing adjustments to gold, turns, AI parameters http://git.io/UPvz7w
20131217 20:54:33< irker933> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master fe070f7bd395 / data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/06_Black_Flag.cfg: SotBE S6: slightly different location for one of the allied AI orcs http://git.io/DyS1rQ
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20131217 21:22:44< fabi> mattsc: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=563094#p563094
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20131217 21:27:55< mattsc> fabi: ugh, that's way too complicated for me.  :P
20131217 21:28:53< fabi> :-)
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20131217 22:37:54< shadowm> fabi: Is there anything in particular that you need done with it?
20131217 22:38:17< fabi> Well, I get what I need.
20131217 22:38:20< fabi> It just looks ugly.
20131217 22:38:29< shadowm> Screenshot?
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20131217 22:40:23< fabi> http://imagebin.org/282792
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20131217 22:40:54< fabi> The large space between the "100" and "Gold per Village:"
20131217 22:41:16< fabi> I tried for hours to get it aligned with "Name".
20131217 22:41:21< fabi> I just hate gui2.
20131217 22:42:02< shadowm> I may be able to make the dialog look nice if you commit it.
20131217 22:42:30< fabi> Cool, thank you very much.
20131217 22:42:38< fabi> Give me some minutes to clean everything up.
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20131217 22:44:00< shadowm> Slider labels and checkbox labels are supposed to be in sentence case, btw.
20131217 22:44:27< shadowm> See e.g. the Preferences dialog.
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20131217 23:11:22< irker933> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master a2422a8f15a2 / changelog data/advanced_preferences.cfg src/game_preferences_display.cpp: Move color cursors option to Advanced Preferences http://git.io/vMuKTg
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20131217 23:15:36< fabi> shadowm: ^ are you sure that is a good idea`
20131217 23:15:37< fabi> ?
20131217 23:15:51< fabi> The color cursors make problems on many machines.
20131217 23:16:02< fabi> It might be wise to not make the option very hidden.
20131217 23:17:33< irker933> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master e512b72fc802 / data/advanced_preferences.cfg: Revert accidental change resulting in color cursors being enabled by default aga http://git.io/ORfP0Q
20131217 23:18:09< shadowm> mattsc: What OS X version are you running?
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20131217 23:19:21< mattsc> shadowm: 10.8.5
20131217 23:20:01< mattsc> I'm planning to update to 10.9 shortly, but haven't had the time yet
20131217 23:20:21< shadowm> mattsc: Do you have color cursors enabled in Wesnoth? What's your experience with them?
20131217 23:20:36< mattsc> Nope.  They are unusable.
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20131217 23:21:06< shadowm> How unusable, in a scale of laggy to frozen?
20131217 23:21:46< mattsc> Anywhere along that scale.  Laggy by a second or two is normal, but at times it gets so bad that it is almost frozen.
20131217 23:22:22< shadowm> How about the game's overall responsivityherwise?
20131217 23:22:26< shadowm> *responsivity otherwise
20131217 23:22:33< mattsc> Alarantalara knows what's going on (and probably explained it to me once, but I have since forgotten) and also what would, in principle need to be done.
20131217 23:23:01< shadowm> wesbot: seen Alarantalara
20131217 23:23:01< wesbot> shadowm: Person, who 1d 22h ago used nick Alarantalara, last spoke 19d 19h ago.  1d 22h ago as Alarantalara1 was here and on the channel #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Quit: Leaving.
20131217 23:23:04< mattsc> You mean with color cursors disabled?  Things are pretty quick otherwise.
20131217 23:23:52< shadowm> Apart from a few blits, the cursor drawing procedure doesn't seem all that time-consuming to me.
20131217 23:24:33< mattsc> No, it's some problem with the libraries being used.
20131217 23:24:48< shadowm> In that case it's unsolvable for the moment, good to know. :P
20131217 23:25:24< shadowm> I do know that we have to emulate color cursors in client code becase SDL 1.2.x only supports monochrome cursors.
20131217 23:26:10< shadowm> But still the issue doesn't make much sense to me since GUI2 and display loops are supposed to make sure the cursor is properly redrawn every time.
20131217 23:26:31< shadowm> Unless the draw procedure is taking too long to complete, but again, that would be weird.
20131217 23:27:22< mattsc> shadowm: I've been looking through my logs, but I can't find right now what Alarantalara told me.
20131217 23:29:28< shadowm> mattsc: Is there a bug filed for this?
20131217 23:30:02< shadowm> I guess it's #18112.
20131217 23:31:57< irker933> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master d15745ea2595 / changelog data/advanced_preferences.cfg src/cursor.cpp: Hide and disable color cursors option on Mac OS X (bug #18112) http://git.io/NxpJYg
20131217 23:32:45< shadowm> This was actually what I was going to do first, but without moving it to Advanced first and without double-checking with an OS X user.
20131217 23:34:17< mattsc> Sounds good to me.  And I really can't find what Alarantalara told me, so we'll have to wait for him to be back.
20131217 23:34:33< shadowm> I'm fairly certain the answer will be SDL 2.0.
20131217 23:35:54< mattsc> Yeah, it was something along those lines.
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20131217 23:49:34< irker933> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 5e46a899f7ff / src/hotkey/hotkey_command.cpp: Aplied Title Case Rules on new hotkey actions. http://git.io/iAKUTA
20131217 23:49:36< irker933> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master e70d6a363f0f / src/minimap.cpp: Handle minimap highlighting were colors went out of range. http://git.io/pjNOWg
20131217 23:49:38< irker933> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 281815d4738d / src/filesystem.cpp: Create a directory for saving complete scenarios from the editor. http://git.io/epDCqw
20131217 23:49:40< irker933> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 4ace4354f47c / src/mp_depcheck.cpp: Fix the spelling in a comment. http://git.io/40n7uw
20131217 23:49:42< irker933> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 92a6d30ee7b3 / data/multiplayer/scenarios/ (2p_Fallenstar_Lake.cfg 2p_Hornshark_Island.cfg 4p_Loris_River.cfg): Put the time schedule macros in use. http://git.io/RuZjvg
20131217 23:49:44< irker933> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 7ab41d47343c / src/mouse_events.cpp: Flatened a method by adding a return and avoiding a indentation level. http://git.io/o14_8g
20131217 23:49:46< irker933> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 4f5e0b415a06 / src/ (3 files): Support for editor generated scenarios in the mp create screen. http://git.io/PwJtjA
20131217 23:49:48< irker933> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 130009ef7fdf / / (15 files in 7 dirs): Support for handling maps and scenarios differently. http://git.io/BUnV3Q
20131217 23:49:50< irker933> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master d60dc5ff2d74 / src/editor/map/map_context.cpp: Forgot to initialize some class members. http://git.io/hEU8Dg
20131217 23:49:52< irker933> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master d5cf7cab2acc / src/ (multiplayer_create_engine.cpp multiplayer_create_engine.hpp): Add support for filtering in editor generated scenarios. http://git.io/gh7HLA
20131217 23:51:28< shadowm> You didn't update cmake.
20131217 23:52:48< irker933> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 14d8e588f432 / src/CMakeLists.txt: Add new files to the cmake build system. http://git.io/fp01uQ
20131217 23:53:32< shadowm> editor/editor_*, eh?
20131217 23:53:53< fabi> yes
20131217 23:53:59< fabi> but that needs to be so
20131217 23:54:04< fabi> edit_label we have
20131217 23:54:16< fabi> some build systems don't know the concept of directories well.
20131217 23:54:21< fabi> ms
20131217 23:54:26< fabi> visual 
20131217 23:54:29< fabi> thing
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20131217 23:54:45< shadowm> Right, I'd forgotten about that.
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20131217 23:54:59< fabi> It is a shame.
20131217 23:55:51< fabi> shadowm: I do not need the sorting options left because I cut and pasted from your addon dialog.
20131217 23:56:23< fabi> shadowm: Please feel free to redesign the dialog how you like it.
20131217 23:59:22< irker933> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master cca7782ec3dc / projectfiles/CodeBlocks/wesnoth.cbp: CodeBlocks project update http://git.io/jwQFIA
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