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20131219 00:11:10< irker933> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 20752843095b / data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/18_Northern_Alliance.cfg: SotBE S18: grammar fix http://git.io/heRAfg
20131219 00:11:12< irker933> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 4338528e43cc / data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/17_The_Human_Attack.cfg: SotBE S17: add warning about enemy reinforcements http://git.io/Q8eI2Q
20131219 00:11:14< irker933> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 2305e48f05e3 / data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/18_Northern_Alliance.cfg: SotBE S18: no linger mode needed at end of last scenario http://git.io/rEv-NQ
20131219 00:11:16< irker933> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master c93420d4a4da / data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/units/Old_Orcish_Shaman.cfg: Fix indenting http://git.io/zUIalA
20131219 00:11:18< irker933> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 0f45b86a2e07 / changelog: Update changelog with AI changes http://git.io/gMDd_Q
20131219 00:11:20< irker933> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 8919fd6c2d85 / players_changelog: Update players_changelog with replay and MP changes http://git.io/azrj1A
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20131219 00:16:51< shadowm> fabi: And gna.org/bugs/?21351 .
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20131219 01:00:36< iceiceice> wesbot: seen coffee?
20131219 01:00:36< wesbot> iceiceice: Sorry, I don't know of coffee.
20131219 01:00:53< shadowm> iceiceice: He's Coffee_irc on IRC.
20131219 01:00:57< iceiceice> thanks
20131219 01:01:05< iceiceice> wesbot: seen Coffee_irc?
20131219 01:01:05< wesbot> iceiceice: The person with the nick Coffee_irc last spoke 3h 37m ago.  3h 35m ago they left with the message: Quit: Konversation terminated!
20131219 01:05:23< shadowm> Does anyone here know what the side-effects of using the assignment operator on an animated<...> type could be?
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20131219 01:06:05< shadowm> (Tonight in "questions that will never get an answer"...)
20131219 01:07:05< shadowm> I'm tempted to just run valgrind and commit and let someone else figure out any bugs.
20131219 01:11:33< fabi> why use valgrind?
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20131219 01:20:32< shadowm> fabi: Did you check those two bugs?
20131219 01:22:00< fabi> no
20131219 01:22:04< fabi> not yet
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20131219 01:42:17< shadowm> [1]    11238 floating point exception  wesnoth -dt
20131219 01:42:21< shadowm> Well, that went poorly.
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20131219 01:47:37< shadowm> Never mind, just a stupid copy-paste mistake.
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20131219 02:06:28< irker933> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master a0eea7169132 / src/ (display.cpp display.hpp): display: Refactor flag animation build code into a separate private method http://git.io/hJD9Sw
20131219 02:06:31< irker933> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 3db69a713233 / src/ (display.cpp display.hpp): display: Implement public reinit_flags_for_side() method http://git.io/a1FVlg
20131219 02:06:34< irker933> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 27367b844f0c / src/display.cpp: display: Additional sanity checks in reinit_flags_for_side() http://git.io/Dw3Y3Q
20131219 02:06:37< irker933> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master d1378f26abbb / src/display.cpp: display: Additional assertion checks in init_flags_for_side_internal() http://git.io/KKtxvQ
20131219 02:06:40< irker933> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 54b8768abdf8 / src/team.hpp: Add set_flag() and set_flag_icon() methods to team class http://git.io/Ayb7pQ
20131219 02:06:43< irker933> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 0fffe87d793d / changelog src/game_events/action_wml.cpp: Implement flag and flag_icon attributes for [modify_side] http://git.io/PY70hg
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20131219 02:31:09< irker933> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 3411c4c81b68 / changelog src/scripting/lua.cpp: Lua API: Add flag and flag_icon fields to wesnoth.sides table elements http://git.io/Du3YkA
20131219 02:31:12< irker933> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 80d093b2b98c / changelog data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Add support for flag and flag_icon to [store_side] http://git.io/24ndjQ
20131219 02:41:28< shadowm> Who implemented village_support?
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20131219 02:46:10< irker933> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master f10bf2b53896 / changelog src/scripting/lua.cpp: Lua API: Add village_support field to wesnoth.sides table elements http://git.io/VzzfpQ
20131219 02:49:46< irker933> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master b73c9092ca0f / src/scripting/lua.cpp: Lua API: Add read-write support to village_support field in wesnoth.sides[n] http://git.io/M2lGKQ
20131219 02:52:33< irker933> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 89a881778a7a / changelog src/scripting/lua.cpp: Lua API: Add read-write support to wesnoth.sides[n].hidden http://git.io/Mznvxg
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20131219 07:14:25< shadowm> Ugh. My code links with cmake but not with scons.
20131219 07:15:51< shadowm> I give up.
20131219 07:17:00< shadowm> Anyone wants to give it a try with scons and figure out why the linking step fails? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21371130/junk/0001-Initial-commit.patch
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20131219 07:19:53< shadowm> I have tried reducing gui2::tscreenshot_notification to a bare-bones subclass (default constructor + REGISTER_DIALOG) and it still breaks.
20131219 07:21:41< shadowm> Somehow replacing it with gui2::tedit_label (just as an example) in the call site doesn't result in linking errors.
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20131219 15:13:09< mattsc> shadowm: for me your patch compiles with scons once I add files screenshot_notification.?pp to the Xcode project
20131219 15:14:47< mattsc> (and before I did that I got a linker error as well)
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20131219 17:57:44< mattsc> Adamant14: are you around?
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20131219 18:02:38< Adamant14> I'm here
20131219 18:03:08< mattsc> Concerning your South Guard post, did the crash happen when there was a unit next to the eye stalk?
20131219 18:03:26< Adamant14> yes
20131219 18:04:05< Adamant14> But isn't the error not related to the trolls side ?
20131219 18:04:09< mattsc> Okay.  It's not an AI bug then (or at least not related to the error message you got): http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=39696
20131219 18:04:55< mattsc> Those type of AI error messages happen for a variety of reasons and are "non-fatal".
20131219 18:06:36< Adamant14> OK,  I understand, thank you .
20131219 18:07:26< mattsc> Adamant14: just to be certain: by "the game crashes" do you mean: it shut down or it hung and became unresponsive?
20131219 18:08:17< Adamant14> It shut completely down to desktop .
20131219 18:10:11< mattsc> okay - that is consistent with it being the attack_weight bug then.  So this is fixed for 1.11.8.
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20131219 18:12:40< mattsc> As for your other comments in your post, I'm sure zookeeper will reply to those at some point.
20131219 18:13:03< Adamant14> Good, thank you .
20131219 18:17:09< zookeeper> gah
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20131219 18:48:49< Adamant14> mattsc: Just for the record: You were right, after changing the attack_weight the scenario works fine .
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20131219 18:49:23< zookeeper> Adamant14, you mean the troll sighting event happens always on turn 2?
20131219 18:49:38< Adamant14> In my case yes.
20131219 18:49:52< Adamant14> I tried it about 6 times
20131219 18:49:56< zookeeper> right... i'd guess a simple [filter_second] should fix that
20131219 18:50:00 * zookeeper tries to commit
20131219 18:50:58< Adamant14> Thank you .
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20131219 18:53:30< irker332> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth-old:master 6f7c4363cc5b / data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/scenarios/07a_Into_the_Depths.cfg: Prevent troll sighting event from triggering when a non-player side sees them. http://git.io/PArMzg
20131219 18:53:50< zookeeper> i didn't test, but seems straightforward enough...
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20131219 19:01:37< Adamant14> zookeeper: After adding the [filter_second] it seems to work.
20131219 19:02:49< zookeeper> great
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20131219 19:25:45< mattsc> Adamant14: thanks for confirming
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20131219 19:30:44< irker332> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth-old:master b5591bbab9a1 / data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/scenarios/02_Proven_by_the_Sword.cfg: Tweaked the timing of the undead recruitment dialogue. http://git.io/vIfLQg
20131219 19:30:49< zookeeper> Adamant14, ^
20131219 19:36:17< Adamant14> zookeeper: yes
20131219 19:37:01< fabi> hello
20131219 19:37:16< Adamant14> Hello Fabi
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20131219 19:47:18< Turuk> dun dun dun
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20131219 19:48:35< gfgtdf> who is the windows packager ?
20131219 19:49:24< vultraz> loonycyborg I think
20131219 19:50:00< gfgtdf> vultraz: ty
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20131219 19:56:14< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: i think we should ship wesnoth windows version with a second "debug and log all" shortcut because some players who report bugs don't know how to use programm arguments, and it is not alwasy easy to explain.
20131219 19:56:16< fabi> shadowm:  This https://gna.org/bugs/?21340 bug seems to be a problem with the serializer.
20131219 19:56:57< fabi> shadowm: It won't cause any troubles in the future regarding the editor because the next release won't safe the full savefile output of a unit like you suggested.
20131219 19:57:12< fabi> shadowm: But that also means that the test case of the bug vanished.
20131219 19:57:57< loonycyborg> hmm
20131219 19:58:07< loonycyborg> Might be a good idea to make another shortcut
20131219 20:05:01< fabi> loonycyborg: You are firm regarding the serializer?
20131219 20:05:28< loonycyborg> Eh?
20131219 20:05:38< fabi> loonycyborg: I think I remember you wrote at least the current parser, didn't you?
20131219 20:05:47< loonycyborg> No
20131219 20:05:59< loonycyborg> I wrote no parsers for wesnoth
20131219 20:05:59< fabi> maybe it was Soliton
20131219 20:06:03< loonycyborg> only some network code
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20131219 20:18:06< fabi> Turuk: hi
20131219 20:18:16< Turuk> fabi: hi fabi
20131219 20:19:49< fabi> Turuk: I thought a little about the lack of prose experts at the moment.
20131219 20:20:27< fabi> Turuk: You mentioned the possibility to organize some prose project in the writer's forum.
20131219 20:21:20< vultraz> Did someone say prose?
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20131219 20:21:31< fabi> vultraz: hi
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20131219 20:21:39< thunderstruck> Hello fabi.
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20131219 20:21:49< fabi> hi thunderstruck
20131219 20:22:15< thunderstruck> I managed to get around those gui problems I told you about yesterday. So the code is probably ready to push.
20131219 20:22:52< fabi> thunderstruck: I have not seen lipkab for a while.
20131219 20:22:56< thunderstruck> However, I'm not sure if attribute's name "allow_era_choice" is correct. Currently, I only hide that era menu is attribute is set to "yes".
20131219 20:23:03< Adamant14> zookeeper: The timing of the undead recruitment dialogue in TSG/scenario 2  is perfect now. Great, thank you.
20131219 20:23:10< fabi> thunderstruck: Do you talk to him about the issues with his gui changes?
20131219 20:23:46< thunderstruck> fabi: No. I thought that he made such things because of GUI 1 limitations.
20131219 20:24:04< vultraz> hey fabi 
20131219 20:24:46< fabi> thunderstruck: No, the hotkey preferences dialog is gui1 as well. And this listbox answers to clicks.
20131219 20:25:06< thunderstruck> fabi: Anyway, I think that I'll keep the attribute named "allow_era_choice" even though it actually just hides eras menu. Later on, code should be made more flexible and not rely on eras that much, I think.
20131219 20:25:57< thunderstruck> fabi: The problem now is that so many things depend on eras, that I just can't not select anything.
20131219 20:26:00< fabi> thunderstruck: zookeeper is the one to be asked about WML syntax, including attribute names.
20131219 20:26:18< zookeeper> droo?
20131219 20:27:02< thunderstruck> zookeeper: Long story short: I want to give a name to attribute, even though the name would not be accurate.
20131219 20:27:10< vultraz> fabi: what do you need RE: prose?
20131219 20:27:33< thunderstruck> zookeeper: Reasons are explained above.
20131219 20:28:00< fabi> vultraz: 1) Prose that is needed caused by the terrain autogeneration. 2) A help section for the map editor.
20131219 20:30:14< vultraz> I'm not sure I understand 1. As for 2, I assume you want to make a tutorial for the editor?
20131219 20:30:16< zookeeper> thunderstruck, i don't see what's inaccurate about the name?
20131219 20:30:40< Turuk> fabi: I'm still interested in that if you need something done for Wings
20131219 20:30:53< fabi> thunderstruck: I must admit that I thought the hiding of the era dialog option would not depend on a wml attribute but determined from the circumstances.
20131219 20:30:56< Turuk> Or for the map descriptions
20131219 20:31:06< Turuk> Just give me an idea of the list of what needs the new descriptions
20131219 20:31:23< fabi> map descriptions?
20131219 20:32:13< thunderstruck> fabi: What circumstances?
20131219 20:32:18< Turuk> map -> help -> terrain
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20131219 20:32:24< Turuk> My word usage may have been wrong
20131219 20:32:35< Turuk> vultraz: the ones in the help section
20131219 20:32:52< thunderstruck> zookeeper: Innacurate because the selection from eras menu is still taken into account. It's just that menu is hidden from the user.
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20131219 20:33:09< fabi> Turuk: I want to continue to work on Wings. But I think that can wait till after 1.12 is released. But we can already gather some forces for map making and prose.
20131219 20:33:34< Turuk> fabi: Sounds good.  So prose for terrains and prose for Wings? Or focus strongly on terrains until 1.12?
20131219 20:33:36< fabi> Turuk: Currently it is most important to find someone who has a look at the terrain descriptions.
20131219 20:34:08< zookeeper> thunderstruck, okay... what's the context for all this? what is this related to?
20131219 20:34:10< Turuk> vultraz: Example… currently Ford is http://pastebin.com/87m6pKi3
20131219 20:34:25< thunderstruck> zookeeper: MP Create dialog.
20131219 20:34:29< Turuk> fabi: do you have a list of which ones are missing descriptions?
20131219 20:35:09< zookeeper> thunderstruck, sure, but who/what/where/when would use that attribute? is it GUI2 code or era code or what?
20131219 20:35:13< thunderstruck> zookeeper: And adjusting GUI for the recent changes to MP Campaigns.
20131219 20:35:38< thunderstruck> zookeeper: It would be CampaignWML attribute.
20131219 20:35:40< zookeeper> right. so it's for hiding the era menu if you're starting a MP campaign?
20131219 20:35:49< thunderstruck> zookeeper: yes.
20131219 20:36:01< zookeeper> okay... why not name it hide_era_menu= then? :P
20131219 20:36:41< zookeeper> anyway, i don't see a problem with allow_era_choice=
20131219 20:36:48< thunderstruck> zookeeper: 'Cause later, I would want to actually make it possible disable eras altogether when it's needed.
20131219 20:37:00< fabi> thunderstruck: or keep the menu but lock it to a "None" entry?
20131219 20:37:45< zookeeper> thunderstruck, so when you say "the selection from eras menu is still taken into account"... what does the selection actually affect then, if anything?
20131219 20:38:17< fabi> Turuk: No. First, the already existing ones need to be corrected. The one for "flat" terrain speaks about grassland. But that is no longer true. We have many different flat terrains which are not grassland nowadays.
20131219 20:39:11< fabi> Turuk: In general, the current descriptions were written for a concrete terrain type while they are used for abstract base terrain yet.
20131219 20:39:26< thunderstruck> zookeeper: it has the same effect as usually. That means the MP Connect screen might allow player to choose leader, faction etc depending on other attributes.
20131219 20:40:57< thunderstruck> I just want to make it possible for campaigns with custom recruit lists to hide eras selection, since it's irrelevant for them.
20131219 20:41:35< Turuk> fabi: so you're looking for a description that goes with each unique image on the map, or descriptions that are more general to accommodate the different types of flat terrain
20131219 20:42:04< zookeeper> thunderstruck, right... well, i think that for now it's fine to just allow hiding the selection, although i think it'd also be a good idea to silently switch to the default era if the hiding is used. just so that people don't get confused by a random UMC era they happened to have selected previously.
20131219 20:42:15< zookeeper> that is, assuming that the game remembers prior era choices. i dunno.
20131219 20:42:25< thunderstruck> zookeeper: It does.
20131219 20:42:34< thunderstruck> The switch to default is probably a good idea.
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20131219 20:43:07< fabi> Turuk: I guess the best way to learn about the needs is to just try the help browser in its current state.
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20131219 20:43:27< Turuk> fabi: Will do
20131219 20:44:58< thunderstruck> fabi: I'll write to lipkab on forum about that mods menu.
20131219 20:45:02< fabi> Turuk: It means compiling the latest git head...
20131219 20:45:22< thunderstruck> fabi: If we won't hear from him in time, I think we could just fix that ourselves.
20131219 20:45:28< Turuk> fabi: Already have it, I need the compiled version for my work with mattsc
20131219 20:45:37< fabi> thunderstruck: I think removing the "Activate" buttons which is already a little out of place saves some space and is a good thing to do.
20131219 20:46:00< thunderstruck> fabi: But I can't stop thinking why did he do it. There should be a reason for it.
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20131219 20:46:52< fabi> thunderstruck: Well, you need to write a callback object and register it to the menu. It is some work. The button solution is more obvious and easy to do.
20131219 20:47:17< fabi> thunderstruck: But I might be wrong there and a more easy way exists.
20131219 20:47:31< thunderstruck> thunderstruck: You see. I told you. The reason is laziness :)
20131219 20:47:38< fabi> :-)
20131219 20:48:30< fabi> Turuk: You will find that there is now a section for the terrain containing subsections for every base terrain. The subsection than contain the derived ones.
20131219 20:48:50< Turuk> Oooo
20131219 20:49:39< fabi> Currently most terrains have no description but the base ones and some few special terrains which had their own topic for some reason earlier.
20131219 20:50:26< fabi> The descriptions of the base ones have to be corrected to match their new role.
20131219 20:51:13< fabi> Then it needs to be decided which of the non base terrains need their own description and which can just go with the description of the base terrain.
20131219 20:51:35< fabi> In case of merged terrains it needs to be considered what to do.
20131219 20:51:51< fabi> Also, a terrain may have some attributes.
20131219 20:51:57< fabi> Like "Gives Income".
20131219 20:52:00< fabi> And heals
20131219 20:52:13< fabi> Or offers the possibility to recruit from or into.
20131219 20:52:26< fabi> These attributes need some prose as well.
20131219 20:54:03< Turuk> Okay, and that, once established could be generic across those that do
20131219 20:55:10< fabi> ?
20131219 20:55:13< fabi> Hmmm
20131219 20:55:29< fabi> I guess you meant that every terrain with the attribute "heals" will get the same text for that?
20131219 20:57:45< Turuk> Yes sir
20131219 20:58:58< fabi> :-)
20131219 21:00:23< Turuk> fabi: I will work on building out a list of the main and sub terrains, and then outline a post for the writer's forum dictating what exactly we are looking for help with from the users. 
20131219 21:01:03< fabi> Yeah, I guess my earlier requests in the writter's forum where just to vage to get a result.
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20131219 21:05:58< irker332> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 296f39acbd53 / data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/maps/08_Silent_Forest.map: SotBE S8: take lots of villages off the map http://git.io/hM_4XQ
20131219 21:06:00< irker332> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 473fc1d3f058 / data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/08_Silent_Forest.cfg: SotBE S8: increase enemy gold and reduce turn limit http://git.io/i5Nveg
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20131219 21:07:13< mattsc> Turuk: ^ S8 is rebalanced.  It's still pretty easy and not particularly interesting, but I don't think there's much we can do about that without completely changing the scenario.
20131219 21:08:03< Turuk> fabi: I will make it so detailed that they know what to do :P
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20131219 21:08:14< Turuk> mattsc: I like change… :D
20131219 21:08:18< Turuk> but I understand your point
20131219 21:08:57< mattsc> Turuk: feel free to change things, I have nothing against that  :P
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20131219 21:09:45< fabi> I am just adding support for filtering for tod areas in the SLF.
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20131219 21:10:30< fabi> This will allow to define areas in the editor which can later then addressed by event coding.
20131219 21:10:56< fabi> mattsc: Will this work for the ai out of the box?
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20131219 21:11:57< mattsc> fabi: sorry, I must be missing a connection somewhere.  Will what work for the AI?
20131219 21:12:14< fabi> mattsc: Okay, I am beginning from the start.
20131219 21:12:33< fabi> mattsc: You know the concept of the [time_area] tag?
20131219 21:12:39< mattsc> yes
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20131219 21:12:47< Turuk> fabi, mattsc: I have to run for now, but I'll catch you both later
20131219 21:13:01< mattsc> Turuk: talk to you later
20131219 21:13:45< fabi> mattsc: Okay, if you don't add any [time] tags to it it just defines an area. This does not make much sense currently but it is possible. You can still follow me?
20131219 21:14:08< mattsc> fabi: so far so good  :)
20131219 21:14:48< fabi> Okay, the moment you add support to SLF the timeless (or not timeless) area is useful.
20131219 21:15:06< fabi> [time_area]s can have an id= attribute.
20131219 21:15:21< fabi> in [SLF] area="the id of the area" 
20131219 21:15:27< fabi> You get the idea?
20131219 21:15:47< mattsc> yes
20131219 21:16:33< fabi> Okay, I have already added support to define areas in the editor. Thus you can visually chose locations which can later then addressed by the enhanced SLF.
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20131219 21:17:15< fabi> I guess everyone agrees that this is the best of all the new editor features, every other is just less important.
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20131219 21:18:34< fabi> So, my question: Is the ai ready to use the area concept? Just because it uses SLF? Or would it need to learn the area thing additionally?
20131219 21:21:43< mattsc> fabi: the RCA AI only uses SLFs in two places ([avoid] and [goal] tags), iirc.  I don't know how those are implemented, but I think they just access whatever the C++ SLF mechanism is and should be good.
20131219 21:22:03< fabi> okay
20131219 21:22:36< fabi> Maybe you want to add support for more SLF than two places?
20131219 21:22:38< mattsc> As for the Micro AIs, they use wesnoth.get_locations{} in Lua, so as long as the time areas propagate through the Lua interface, we're all good.
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20131219 21:23:19< fabi> So the question is if wesnoth.get_locations{} is using the c++ SLF code?
20131219 21:23:40< mattsc> fabi: I am quite certain that it does.
20131219 21:23:52< fabi> Okay, then everything should be fine.
20131219 21:24:06< mattsc> I'd assume so, yes.
20131219 21:26:03< fabi> mattsc: Do you want to test the feature with some of your ai stuff? It might even make your life a little easer, depending on how you define locations in your scenarios currently.
20131219 21:27:46< mattsc> fabi: in principle yes, but not before the weekend (and I don't know yet whether I'll have time this weekend).
20131219 21:28:21< mattsc> Also, I don't have a current usecase that it would make easier, but I can imagine that it might come in handy sometime.
20131219 21:28:53< fabi> I would really like to give the editor some ai setup dialog.
20131219 21:29:33< fabi> mattsc: You removed the need to define the ai in the [side] completely?
20131219 21:29:56< fabi> mattsc: I mean to register the side for a micro ai.
20131219 21:30:43< fabi> mattsc: I ask because when the editor takes control of the side definitions it is hard to get some code in there. Especially macros are a problem.
20131219 21:30:49< mattsc> fabi: correct - you don't need to define the engine in the [side] tag any more  (I think that's what you're referring to)
20131219 21:31:20< fabi> I have somehow lost the overview of the ai and the different appearances and interfaces.
20131219 21:31:54< mattsc> fabi: I don't think anybody has the full overview over everything AI.  Except maybe Crab_  :P
20131219 21:32:20< mattsc> fabi: I'll be afk for about 5 minutes ...
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20131219 21:40:56< mattsc> fabi: somebody recently posted an MP (I think?) scenario created with the editor on the forum.  It contained a humongous amount of [ai] code, but it was all just setting all the parameters to their default values (and therefore completely unnecessary).
20131219 21:40:59< mattsc> I assume that's unavoidable for what you want to do?
20131219 21:41:15< thunderstruck> fabi: I'll soon push "allow_era_choice" commit. After that I have the only feature on my todo list before the freeze. That is to add a flag to indicate that players should not be able to join campaign, if they don't have it installed. What do you think about this? Maybe you have something else in mind?
20131219 21:43:11< fabi> We have already a mechanism to prevent joining a game where you miss dependencies.
20131219 21:43:46< fabi> I tried yesterday and couldn't join a game whose era I was missing.
20131219 21:44:13< fabi> But there was no visual clue, clicking the game just resulted in no effect.
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20131219 21:44:42< irker332> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master 597f5ad6a9ce / / (5 files in 2 dirs): Added new CampaignWML attribute "allow_era_choice". http://git.io/YC3qPA
20131219 21:44:47< fabi> Maybe you can handle all kind of this cases, not only the mp campaign one, properly? 
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20131219 21:45:18< thunderstruck> fabi: I don't know nothing about that code.
20131219 21:45:38< thunderstruck> fabi: So, it would take a while.
20131219 21:48:04< thunderstruck> fabi: And according to the code, the game in lobby should switch to "DISABLED_COLOR" in case era is missing.
20131219 21:48:37< fabi> ah
20131219 21:49:17< thunderstruck> Although that's not very good visual cue on its own.
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20131219 21:49:40< thunderstruck> I'll see what I can do about this tomorrow.
20131219 21:49:47< thunderstruck> (If I have enough time)
20131219 21:56:58< shadowm> 12:13:08 <mattsc> shadowm: for me your patch compiles with scons once I add files screenshot_notification.?pp to the Xcode project
20131219 21:57:09< shadowm> mattsc: What does xcode have to do with scons?
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20131219 22:00:42< mattsc> shadowm: umm, good point.  I meant clang.  Oops.   9.9   (I've not been particularly awake the last couple days, just ignore me.)
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20131219 22:26:16< thunderstruck> fabi: By the way, I think dependency mechanism is there to make sure that you wouldn't be able to play game at all if you don't have all the dependiences.
20131219 22:26:27< thunderstruck> It's not about whether other players can join the game or not.
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20131219 22:52:58< zookeeper> ah, well, looks like it is so even in the old map
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