--- Log opened Fri Dec 27 00:00:12 2013
20131227 00:01:18< Coffee_irc> fabi: http://pastebin.com/YQs1K4UW and http://pastebin.com/17kq8b7E
20131227 00:01:57< Coffee_irc> these will add the feature to have default "untitled.map" and such to the editor save box and also set the selection so that you can type over the name before the dot
20131227 00:02:51< shadowm> Coffee_irc: 16:59:09 <shadowm> fabi: Instead of changing the extension you could just prepend a comment block specifying the purpose of the file just like the add-ons client currently does for _info.cfg files.
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20131227 00:05:36< Coffee_irc> well, okay, bt even if .cfg this patch would be useful
20131227 00:05:39< Coffee_irc> *but
20131227 00:09:12< Coffee_irc> IMO we should do the save when saving a game (set the selection so you can easily type over the default name)
20131227 00:09:22< Coffee_irc> *same
20131227 00:10:02< Coffee_irc> my typing has gone downhill after all the booze associated with the christmas break :P
20131227 00:10:22< shadowm> Oh no, now you too?
20131227 00:10:49< Coffee_irc> lol, no I don't come here when I've had booze :P
20131227 00:11:08< Coffee_irc> I am very much sober when I am online
20131227 00:11:29< Coffee_irc> I figure that is better than doing something I might regret later :P
20131227 00:14:41< Coffee_irc> I'll write a patch for the save game and save replay dialogs so that the selection is by default over the text for easy typing
20131227 00:15:05< Coffee_irc> doesn't seem like much, but these kind of small things are nice
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20131227 00:22:17< Coffee_irc> it also adds missing features such as set_selection and set_cursor_position functions to the textboxes
20131227 00:22:31< Coffee_irc> which I was surprised to see weren't there
20131227 00:22:35< shadowm> OK then that'd have to be for mordante.
20131227 00:22:38< shadowm> Good luck!
20131227 00:22:49< Coffee_irc> shadowm: is for GUI1 :)
20131227 00:22:56< shadowm> No.
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20131227 00:23:11< shadowm> The save game dialog is GUI2.
20131227 00:23:18< Coffee_irc> really?
20131227 00:23:22< shadowm> Yes.
20131227 00:23:33< shadowm> Load Game is GUI1.
20131227 00:23:38< Coffee_irc> oh, I suppose you are right
20131227 00:23:52< Coffee_irc> so then it will sit forever :P
20131227 00:24:12< shadowm> Alternatively you can just commit it yourself and take full responsibility for it.
20131227 00:24:38< Coffee_irc> well.. I'd rather not step on anyone's toes preemptively
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20131227 00:25:36< Coffee_irc> seen Mordante
20131227 00:27:28< Coffee_irc> !seen Mordante
20131227 00:27:54 * Coffee_irc takes a hammer and whacks wesbot
20131227 00:28:43< Coffee_irc> somehow I am not doing it right?
20131227 00:28:44< shadowm> wesbot doesn't respond to any such lines, you are doing it wrong.
20131227 00:28:47< mattsc> Coffee_irc: you need to tell wesbot that you are talking to him/her/it
20131227 00:28:57< shadowm> Use "wesbot: seen mordante".
20131227 00:29:05< Coffee_irc> wesbot: seen mordante
20131227 00:29:05< wesbot> Coffee_irc: The person with the nick mordante last spoke 11d 3h ago.  11d 3h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-de with the message: Quit: Leaving
20131227 00:29:19< Coffee_irc> thanks
20131227 00:30:24< AI0867> yeah, I've been waiting for a week
20131227 00:30:37< AI0867> it would be nice if he came back before I forget what I wanted to talk to him about
20131227 00:30:46< Coffee_irc> well, it is around christmas
20131227 00:30:56< Coffee_irc> understandable if he's out hiking or whatever
20131227 00:31:17< shadowm> I still haven't seen a reply to my email about assert() and cmake.
20131227 00:31:37< shadowm> Neither from mordante nor Ivanovic.
20131227 00:31:54< Coffee_irc> well, yeah, what is the revised timeline for 1.11.8?
20131227 00:32:00< shadowm> Undefined.
20131227 00:40:58< Coffee_irc> well modrante now has another email sitting in his inbox
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20131227 02:24:40< fabi> Coffee_irc: hi
20131227 02:24:49< Coffee_irc> fabi: hi
20131227 02:26:22< Coffee_irc> fabi: I mainly finished the patches, although the details for the file extention ending and translatable text could esasily be altered before inclusion
20131227 02:26:45< Coffee_irc> the selection of text requires additional functinos for GUI2 though
20131227 02:37:03< fabi> gui2 functinos?
20131227 02:38:00< Coffee_irc> sorry, I've been mistyping today badly
20131227 02:38:18< Coffee_irc> I blame it on the heat and need to go to work when I have a scheduled day off
20131227 02:40:31< fabi> heat?
20131227 02:40:39< fabi> Where are you?
20131227 02:40:50< Coffee_irc> yeah it is pretty hot here in Adelaide, Australia
20131227 02:40:57< fabi> nice
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20131227 02:41:21< fabi> It is not cold here for xmas.
20131227 02:41:40< Coffee_irc> in Germany?
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20131227 02:42:23< fabi> yeah
20131227 02:42:44< fabi> But still far away from being nice.
20131227 02:43:03< Coffee_irc> holy *: 7 degrees and you say it is hot :P
20131227 02:43:38< Coffee_irc> just looked up termperature in germany
20131227 02:44:01< AI0867> it's about 10 C here
20131227 02:44:07< AI0867> for midwinter, that's pretty hot
20131227 02:44:37< shadowm> 32 °C here.
20131227 02:44:41< Coffee_irc> don't pack away your jumpers :P
20131227 02:44:48< AI0867> sure, but it's not winter there =P
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20131227 02:45:00< shadowm> Sadly.
20131227 02:46:03< Coffee_irc> shadowm: basically the same temperature here, but I like to whinge ;)
20131227 02:47:34< fabi> Coffee_irc: xmas, around 10 years ago. I visited my relatives in Bavaria. We had minus 28 degree.
20131227 02:47:44< Coffee_irc> a lot of people got sick over last winter here because we are not used to 6 degrees winter temps :P
20131227 02:47:47< fabi> At night.
20131227 02:48:23< Coffee_irc> it even snowed for a couple of hours at the top of our highest mountain :P
20131227 02:48:41< Coffee_irc> this is in south australia
20131227 02:51:19< fabi> Coffee_irc: The file name extension is not only for hinting the user.
20131227 02:52:06< fabi> It is also about preventing the editor from loading files he can't handle.
20131227 02:52:25< fabi> Thus I think it is not only done with a comment in the file like shadowm suggested.
20131227 02:53:50< shadowm> Sigh.
20131227 02:53:57< Coffee_irc> yeah, the integration into the editor needs a bit of thought IMO
20131227 02:54:38< Coffee_irc> shadowm: you already have .map files
20131227 02:54:50< shadowm> May I suggest something like this_file_was_generated_by_the_editor=true or so? Maybe even editor_version=<version that last wrote the file>.
20131227 02:55:03< Coffee_irc> wouldn't the scenario files in theory replace the .map files?
20131227 02:55:26< Coffee_irc> or would they remain separate?
20131227 02:55:59< shadowm> Or if you want to prevent the editor from loading externally-generated files, make it specifically match against *.map.cfg?
20131227 03:01:57< Coffee_irc> but it isn't really a configuration for the map, it is a configuration file for the scenario
20131227 03:02:31< Coffee_irc> you might have a couple of map masks that you want to apply or maps to choose from, and still have the same configuration file
20131227 03:03:50< Coffee_irc> at the moment creating a map mask or map doesn't give you any file extension to see at all
20131227 03:04:07< Coffee_irc> you kind of have to know that it should end in .map or .mask
20131227 03:05:54< Coffee_irc> apparently frogatto does it well, allowing you to edit the relevant code with an inbuilt editor
20131227 03:06:58< Coffee_irc> although that may be overkill
20131227 03:08:17< fabi> a little box to select which extensions to show would be nice
20131227 03:08:39< Coffee_irc> fabi: that would make sense on load only
20131227 03:08:40< fabi> like the gimp does
20131227 03:08:50< Coffee_irc> eek, gimp :P
20131227 03:09:01< fabi> well only an example
20131227 03:09:09< fabi> I guess thousand apps do so.
20131227 03:09:09< Coffee_irc> saving is IMO a bad thing to copy from the GIMP
20131227 03:09:16< fabi> Coffee_irc: It makes sense on save as well.
20131227 03:09:31< fabi> Coffee_irc: Just like in the gimp where you select the format with the extension.
20131227 03:09:40< shadowm> Pretty much every modern application has an option to filter by file type when opening files or when saving (which also selects the extension to use).
20131227 03:09:43< Coffee_irc> fabi: what my patch does is show you the default save extension
20131227 03:09:55< shadowm> So it's not copying from the GIMP specifically.
20131227 03:09:59< Coffee_irc> and aloow you to quickly type over the "untitled" part
20131227 03:10:25< fabi> Coffee_irc: Currently I need a menu entry "Save Map as" and "Save Scenario as".
20131227 03:10:38< Coffee_irc> so all you do is type "test" and you get a "test.map" or such, and you can see that in the text that is displayed
20131227 03:12:11< Coffee_irc> that would make sense
20131227 03:12:28< Coffee_irc> I once tried to do something similar to quickly switch between recruits and recalls though
20131227 03:12:43< Coffee_irc> and it didn't work because of the way that the repainting was done with the GUI widget
20131227 03:13:49< Coffee_irc> fabi: you mean like a drop down menu with "map" or "scenario" default from which menu item you chose?
20131227 03:14:21< fabi> Ah no. There would be only one "Save As" menu entry.
20131227 03:14:38< Coffee_irc> ah, defaulting to whatever type you opened?
20131227 03:14:47< fabi> yes
20131227 03:15:02< fabi> defaulting to the current mode the editor is in.
20131227 03:15:04< Coffee_irc> that would make sense
20131227 03:16:56< Coffee_irc> I think it would still be nice to prepopulate the default text
20131227 03:19:44< Coffee_irc> actually in exactly the way the GIMP does it :P
20131227 03:20:32< Coffee_irc> problem with the gimp is that the file format extension does not change when you select a different type from the drop down menu
20131227 03:20:54< Coffee_irc> that's got me a few times
20131227 03:21:17< fabi> :-)
20131227 03:21:59< Coffee_irc> between that and their shifting the save as to export and not standardizing over all platforms, saving in GIMP drives me nuts
20131227 03:25:05< fabi> Coffee_irc: I guess we all can agree that designing such stuff isn't that easy. And will take its time.
20131227 03:25:57< Coffee_irc> fabi: yeah
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20131227 03:35:38< mattsc> I'm a little late on this, but I live on an island in the Pacific and the high was 7 °C here today.  :)
20131227 03:44:30< vultraz> o_o
20131227 03:44:38< vultraz> which one...
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20131227 03:45:48< shadowm> It sounds like it's close to one of the ice-caps.
20131227 03:46:29< shadowm> For a broad definition of 'close', anyway.
20131227 03:46:38< vultraz> Off Alaska?
20131227 03:47:29< vultraz> it's around 31 C here....
20131227 03:47:49< fabi> vultraz: Australia as well?
20131227 03:48:04< vultraz> No, I'm not in Australia...are you?
20131227 03:48:18< fabi> Germany 7° C
20131227 03:48:23< shadowm> Coffee is.
20131227 03:48:27 * vultraz is in Micronesia
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20131227 03:49:07< shadowm> The weather right now (00:48): 22 °C, high 31 °C, low 14 °C.
20131227 03:49:14< shadowm> *00:49
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20131227 03:50:04< vultraz> 32 exactly right now, exactly
20131227 03:50:07< vultraz> 31*
20131227 03:50:12< vultraz> I guessed right
20131227 03:50:25< vultraz> actually*
20131227 03:51:32< shadowm> I was hoping the previous cold wave would last all the way to Christmas, but that didn't happen and that's probably a good thing for the farming industry.
20131227 03:52:22< shadowm> They had massive losses for the couple of weeks it lasted.
20131227 03:52:58< mattsc> Compared to Micronesia, I am pretty close to Alaska, yes
20131227 03:54:00< fabi> vultraz: Wasn't micronesia hit by the storm like the philipines?
20131227 03:54:12< vultraz> No
20131227 03:54:17< vultraz> We never get any storms
20131227 03:54:23< fabi> that is a nice feature
20131227 03:54:43< vultraz> Worst we get is the occasional edge of a typhoon with some heavy wind and rain, but not enough to do damage
20131227 03:54:51< fabi> But micronesia is part of the pacific fire ring, isn't it?
20131227 03:55:10< vultraz> We have no floors, earthquakes, hurricanes, volcanoes, tornadoes, or anything
20131227 03:55:11< vultraz> Er
20131227 03:55:13< vultraz> floods
20131227 03:55:47< shadowm> Sharks?
20131227 03:56:14< vultraz> A few. Not a problem, however
20131227 03:56:22< vultraz> Haven't heard of any shark attacks
20131227 03:56:29< vultraz> We have no snakes, scorpions..
20131227 03:56:35< mattsc> just slowly disappearing into the ocean ...
20131227 03:57:05< fabi> vultraz: Well, but you have women? The worst evil of all. No women no cry...
20131227 03:57:14< vultraz> xD
20131227 03:57:23< vultraz> yes
20131227 03:59:52< fabi> vultraz: From a nature disaster point of view, Germany is blessed as well. Some floods but nothing really life threatening.
20131227 04:00:14< vultraz> Isn't the Netherlands below sea level
20131227 04:00:36< fabi> vultraz: But we have that habit of starting wars which never end well for the planet.
20131227 04:00:50< vultraz> :P
20131227 04:00:53< irker308> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 12c73569ca5f / data/core/macros/ (ai.cfg ai_candidate_actions.cfg ai_controller.cfg ai_micro_ais.cfg): AI macros: update comments for display on wiki reference page http://git.io/ErUMHQ
20131227 04:01:12< vultraz> mattsc: well, yes :P
20131227 04:01:24< mattsc> :)
20131227 04:02:25< mattsc> Well, I lived in California for 8 years, but the only earthquakes I ever experienced consciously were in Chile ...
20131227 04:02:46< fabi> vultraz: Micronesia might be one of those states which do not much to cause global warming but suffer most.
20131227 04:03:43< irker308> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 04b8609149c2 / data/tools/macro-reference.html: Update auto-generated macro reference page with AI macros http://git.io/Gyqq-Q
20131227 04:03:58< vultraz> mattsc: I'm from California :D
20131227 04:04:30< mattsc> vultraz: hmmm  ;)
20131227 04:05:03< fabi> Okay, let's commit some stuff.
20131227 04:05:59 * shadowm considers panicking preemtively.
20131227 04:06:07< shadowm> *preemptively
20131227 04:12:00< fabi> Well, at least it is preemptively, cooperate panicking might be worse.
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20131227 04:13:15< fabi> Ah wait, maybe it should compile first.
20131227 04:13:45< fabi> Damn compilers, nitpicking about everything.
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20131227 04:29:01< fabi> Hmmm, I wonder how I can disable entries which open a submenu.
20131227 04:30:17< irker308> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 2389475c1cb0 / src/hotkey/command_executor.cpp: Disable the buttons of empty menues. http://git.io/bpBusw
20131227 04:30:19< irker308> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 0affe7722127 / / (11 files in 5 dirs): Implemented the area feature properly. http://git.io/1lViiw
20131227 04:39:26< irker308> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 4c18bed7c010 / src/tod_manager.hpp: Remove debug output. http://git.io/qbfi-Q
20131227 04:51:26< EliDupree> Anybody in here know if [end_turn] is MP-safe?
20131227 04:52:44< EliDupree> I'm on the MP server looking at some weird bugs - somehow an observer was pulled into the game by the script, plus some other OOS. And the only unusual thing I can spot is the use of [end_turn]
20131227 04:55:01< fabi> EliDupree: You are Elvish Pillager, right?
20131227 04:55:09< EliDupree> yes
20131227 04:55:50< fabi> EliDupree: Cool, you may need to talk to thunderstruck. He is the gsoc student who worked on MP lately.
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20131227 05:02:07< fabi> hi Turuk
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20131227 05:25:48< EliDupree> fabi: problem probably solved  - it wasn't [end_turn], the script was also messing with side controllers.
20131227 05:30:55< EliDupree> Even if it's not designed to work, there should probably be a check for that somewhere? Like, to send a human-readable error message.
20131227 05:31:31< EliDupree> Making observers think they're in the game is a pretty weird failure mode.
20131227 05:32:04< EliDupree> To be clear, this is with [modify_side] controller=human, in networked games.
20131227 05:35:13< fabi> EliDupree: Indeed, that sounds like something we need to take care about.
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20131227 05:36:10< fabi> EliDupree: Thunderstruck implemented a new feature to the controller= attribute lately. It is for assigning player numbers to it.
20131227 05:36:21< EliDupree> ooh, cool
20131227 05:36:40< EliDupree> I'm just working in 1.10
20131227 05:36:47< fabi> ah
20131227 05:36:53< fabi> your bug is a 1.10 bug
20131227 05:36:59< EliDupree> yeah
20131227 05:37:29< fabi> Maybe it is fixed in 1.11. As mentioned, there was a lot action around the mp support.
20131227 05:46:12< EliDupree> ...darn, I can't use it to troll observers without giving error messages to legit players as well. :P
20131227 05:47:43< EliDupree> I guess this means you could make a modified wesnoth client that spams people's chat logs by sending bogus moves. But you can already spam them the regular way, so it's no loss
20131227 05:49:47< fabi> :-)
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20131227 06:24:41< EliDupree> Ooh, you wouldn't need to mod the wesnoth code at all. Just add it as an [event] in the standard unit types. :P
20131227 06:25:40< EliDupree> Hee hee hee, sometimes I wish I was a more immoral troll so that I could take advantage of the things I come up with. :P
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20131227 15:57:45< mattsc> Hi zookeeper.  Have you tried out the reworked scenario yet?
20131227 15:59:36< mattsc> I think that the general premise is quite interesting (hold out defensively as long as possible, let's try to deal enough damage to units so they retreat, but without killing them, etc.), but the carry-over reward system isn't enough of an incentive for me to try hard.
20131227 16:00:39< mattsc> In order to hold out for a long time, I need quite a few units that I can rotate.  But then there's no or little gold to carry-over in the first place and another few percent of that is not worth the effort.
20131227 16:01:21< mattsc> As for the AI, it does pretty much what I expect it to do, but maybe the threshold for units retreating could be set a little higher?
20131227 16:02:40< mattsc> Also, the objectives currently say "the scenario ends when any unit perishes" which is clear, in principle, but I bet there'll be plenty people who interpret that as "any unit on the players side
20131227 16:03:00< mattsc> ".  Maybe say "... any unit of any side ..." ?
20131227 16:08:05< fabi> mattsc: hi#
20131227 16:09:06< mattsc> hi fabi 
20131227 16:12:17< happygrue> thunderstruck: bug seems fixed now, I marked it as such.
20131227 16:12:18< happygrue> thanks
20131227 16:12:41< mattsc> zookeeper: actually doing some maths: In my play-through, I come into the scenario with 193 gold.  Assuming I don't recall/recruit at all and just sit back, I could probably end the scenario with 250-300 gold, which is the most gold I can possibly have at the end of the scenario.  So 1% of that is 3 gold.
20131227 16:12:41< happygrue> bug 21214 that is
20131227 16:14:20< mattsc> So if I recall a unit, that costs me 20 gold (let's ignore upkeep which just makes things worse), which means that for each unit I recall, I need to last and extra 7 turns.  So, the best strategy is to do nothing but retreat to the farthest corner and wait (and rotate the starting units once the enemy gets there).
20131227 16:16:06< mattsc> (and actually if you do the maths correctly, it's even worse than that, because the 1% is now not of 300 gold, but of 280 for the first unit etc.; and then you add upkeep etc...)
20131227 16:21:17< AI0867> maybe add some fluff about unloading the ships and just add a flat cash bonus per turn?
20131227 16:21:22< fabi> happygrue: Hello. We do not have a AoH + Khalifate yet. Do you think it makes sense to at it?
20131227 16:21:32< fabi> s/at/add
20131227 16:21:42< mattsc> AI0867: yes, I think something like that would be good.
20131227 16:22:27< happygrue> fabi: yes, that would be good - especially since the higher level units are the least tested and surely need to be tweaked somehwat
20131227 16:22:45< mattsc> But zookeeper had an argument against that that I don't recall and am too lazy to look up right now (but it did make sense to me at the time).  I'll just wait what he has to say.
20131227 16:22:58< fabi> happygrue: Okay, do you want me to take care about it?
20131227 16:23:37< happygrue> that would be great if you have time
20131227 16:25:11< fabi> oki
20131227 16:25:19< happygrue> Coffee_irc: you tested the khalifate a bit in your UMC a bit, did you have any thoughts?  (not sure how much you played them, it does take several games before getting a good sense of what is going on IMO)
20131227 16:26:57< happygrue> thoughts especially regarding higher level units.   We just don't see the high level units much in regular play, so they don't tend to be important except for things like UMC survivals and the like ;)
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20131227 16:55:45< zookeeper> mattsc, AI0867, i'd just rather not mix regular income rules and flat cash bonuses if possible, that's all
20131227 16:56:26< zookeeper> mattsc, but yeah, i got the impression myself that as it is the optimal strategy might be to just run for the corner and grab the little gold you can that way
20131227 16:57:09< zookeeper> no recruits, grab nearby villages, run to the corner, try to delay the first enemies to reach you for a few turns -> get a few dozen coins
20131227 16:57:37< zookeeper> mattsc, anyway, i didn't yet test the new AI
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20131227 17:05:21< thunderstruck> happygrue: Thanks for testing.
20131227 17:08:08< mattsc> zookeeper: the effect of the new AI is pretty subtle as everything I coded already exists in the default AI in a similar form.
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20131227 17:38:58< thunderstruck> fabi: Are you still planning on working on LoW's chapters 4 and 5 for MP?
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20131227 18:14:20< mattsc> shadowm: I added a number of examples of macro usage to the wiki section about modifying AI aspects:  http://wiki.wesnoth.org/AiWML#Adding_and_Deleting_Aspects_with_the_.5Bmodify_ai.5D_Tag
20131227 18:14:34< mattsc> Let me know if you'd like other examples added to that.
20131227 18:20:31< irker308> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master d5e27a2e3f0f / data/ (core/macros/ai.cfg tools/macro-reference.html): Correct the example given for MODIFY_AI_ADD_ASPECT http://git.io/4-3G_g
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20131227 18:45:05< lipkabb> lipkab: Go away!
20131227 18:45:25< bumbadadabum> lipkabb: ghost it?
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20131227 18:46:09< lipkabb> Nah.
20131227 18:46:18< lipkabb> lipkab's an obedient guy.
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20131227 18:52:56< fabi> thunderstruck: yes
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20131227 19:50:04< fabi> hi Adamant14
20131227 19:50:30< fabi> hi boucman
20131227 19:50:40< boucman> hey
20131227 19:51:09< fabi> boucman: Will we see each other in Brüssel?
20131227 19:51:20< boucman> most likely, yes
20131227 19:51:50< fabi> Good to hear.
20131227 19:56:48< Adamant14> hi fabi
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20131227 20:00:51< thunderstruck> fabi: Is that something you can do during the freeze?
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20131227 20:21:57< fabi> thunderstruck: As long as there are no new strings needed and the changes are not very grave, yes.
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20131227 20:32:20< fabi> thunderstruck: translatable strings
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20131227 22:05:57< irker305> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master 2b22f942e0be / src/ (filesystem.cpp game_config.cpp game_config.hpp): Get rid of an unnecessary variable http://git.io/rSogZA
20131227 22:05:59< irker305> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master 146fff09b477 / src/ (filesystem.cpp filesystem.hpp game.cpp): Adapt filesystem functions to userdata/userconfig split http://git.io/Q0e0DA
20131227 22:06:01< irker305> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master 65240630e822 / / (35 files in 16 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of github.com:wesnoth/wesnoth-old http://git.io/GWWn8g
20131227 22:06:27< AI0867> The above changes haven't made it into the commandline options because I'm unsure what to call them
20131227 22:06:39< AI0867> that is, --config-dir is currently in use for the userdata path
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20131227 22:26:01< Coffee_irc> happygrue: with the khalifate, the only balancing problem I might pick with you is the tineen
20131227 22:26:11< Coffee_irc> it is very powerful compared to other level 3 units
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20131227 22:32:38< Coffee_irc> but that might just be to do with the tpye of attack (fire)
20131227 22:32:49< Coffee_irc> undead have a problem taking down this unit
20131227 22:33:10< Coffee_irc> not that it would show up much
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20131227 22:37:53< Coffee_irc> well, that and the khalid to shuja is a RIPLIB on the melee
20131227 22:39:58< Coffee_irc> why not make the khalid have a 12x4 attack, as he is level 4 anyway
20131227 22:47:54< iceiceice> question: has feature freeze gone into effect yet/
20131227 22:47:58< iceiceice> ?
20131227 22:48:57< Coffee_irc> iceiceice: Ivanovic's cunning plan was to make people think the feature freeze was imminent so that when we'd put things in late it would work better :P
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20131227 22:49:17< iceiceice> haha
20131227 22:50:21< shadowm> Yeah, but who suggested that plan to begin with?
20131227 22:50:31< Coffee_irc> well, it is better than the debacle I remember surrounding the 1.8.0 release and certain bugs like random "missing child" and such
20131227 22:54:32< Coffee_irc> Ivanovic: what's happening with the 1.11.8 release?
20131227 22:57:03< Ivanovic> are the khalifate finally ready for the release?
20131227 22:57:47< Coffee_irc> I suppose you'd have to ask happygrue when he's happy
20131227 22:58:31< Coffee_irc> at the moment the higher up khalifate don't feature much in campaigns or multiplayer to be an issue for the release IMO
20131227 22:59:18< Coffee_irc> and the lower units have been tested in a couple of tournaments
20131227 23:00:38< Ivanovic> drakes are barely featured in campaigns either
20131227 23:00:42< Ivanovic> still they are mainline
20131227 23:00:44< Ivanovic> not an argument
20131227 23:01:25< Coffee_irc> Ivanovic: I am not arguing against them, just stating that the higher levels haven't had that much scrutiny yet
20131227 23:01:35< Coffee_irc> and that it doesn't matter as of yet so much
20131227 23:02:07< Coffee_irc> because they don't feature in campaigns yet and in multiplayer it is the lower levels that count
20131227 23:04:53< Ivanovic> fabi: is your stuff for 1.11.8 done?
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20131227 23:06:48< zookeeper> i might have to revise/add some strings to TRoW, but if necessary i can get that done by saturday night.
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20131227 23:07:57< zookeeper> fabi, and you should get that LoW map in if you want it in 1.12...
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