--- Log opened Wed Jan 01 00:00:56 2014
20140101 00:51:49< zookeeper> mattsc, heh, i actually quite enjoy the scenario now.
20140101 00:51:55 * zookeeper will commit the changes before heading to bed
20140101 00:54:18< zookeeper> the "enemies won't suicide" thing makes the AI very exploitable in some situations, but i don't really mind that
20140101 01:00:32< mattsc> zookeeper: cool!  I'll check it out after you committed it, but likely not tonight any more.  By all means, let me know if you have any suggestion for changes to the AI though.  And HNY to you!
20140101 01:09:40< irker801> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth-old:master 461a2573aa42 / data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/ (maps/15_A_New_Land.map scenarios/15_A_New_Land.cfg): Changed the gold carryover to "inverse early finish bonus" and made a bunch of b http://git.io/3MJJkQ
20140101 01:09:42< irker801> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth-old:master 2570d7345b39 / / (105 files in 26 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old http://git.io/sLMi8w
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20140101 02:42:42< irker801> wesnoth: Espreon wesnoth-old:master 8d16e1630c54 / data/core/editor/items.cfg: leanto.png depicts a lean-to; not a lectern. http://git.io/9LGIuQ
20140101 02:45:19< shadowm> bumbadadabum: See the logs.
20140101 02:45:34< shadowm> Especially commit 74e933bcc0ce.
20140101 02:45:40< bumbadadabum> I have read that
20140101 02:45:43< bumbadadabum> I apologize
20140101 02:45:45< shadowm> Happy New Year, everyone.
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20140101 05:21:06< irker801> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle website:master 9f4ba2421f88 / gettext.wesnoth.org/ (index.extra.php index.lang.php index.php): gettext.w.o: New Year copyright update http://git.io/bjskkA
20140101 05:21:09< irker801> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle website:master 6a507c2cfc45 / eclipse.wesnoth.org/ (download.html features.html index.html): eclipse.w.o: New Year copyright update http://git.io/lPr_hg
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20140101 05:21:32< irker801> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 503492dc9650 / data/tools/ (helptrailer.html macro-reference.html): website: New Year copyright update http://git.io/Aw3OmA
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20140101 10:35:54< lipkab> Happy New Year, Wesnoth!
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20140101 11:13:54< irker801> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth-old:master 61effe50fd72 / data/core/about.cfg: Removed images-only [about] tag which does nothing anymore. http://git.io/oyGoaQ
20140101 11:33:55< vultraz> battlements 
20140101 11:33:58< vultraz> opps
20140101 11:34:00< vultraz> wrong chat
20140101 11:34:14< vultraz> that..was for skype
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20140101 11:55:08< thunderstruck> Happy New Year everyone!
20140101 11:55:24< vultraz> Happy new beer!
20140101 11:55:26< vultraz> er
20140101 11:55:27< vultraz> year!
20140101 12:15:24< Coffee_irc> cheers, and happy new year
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20140101 12:26:00< Coffee_irc> should be an exiting year, considering in 2015 we are supposed to get hoverboards and flying cars ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkyLnWm1iCs
20140101 12:27:24< vultraz> Is there any other movie that has generated so much expectations about the future than BttF2 :P
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20140101 12:45:44< thunderstruck> vultraz: 2001: A Space Odyssey?
20140101 12:45:59< thunderstruck> That's just a guess, BTW.
20140101 12:46:05< vultraz> Never saw that
20140101 12:46:09< vultraz> I heard it was horrible
20140101 12:46:19< Coffee_irc> yeah, it is unwatchable :P
20140101 12:46:25< Coffee_irc> I tried
20140101 12:46:31< Coffee_irc> it is free on the Internet
20140101 12:46:38< vultraz> Isn't that the one with HAL 9000
20140101 12:46:51< Coffee_irc> I was sleeping by 15 mins in :P
20140101 12:47:20< Coffee_irc> there is no talking for the first half of the film :o
20140101 12:47:36< vultraz> ...
20140101 12:47:37< vultraz> what the fuck
20140101 12:47:40< vultraz> o_o
20140101 12:48:50< zookeeper> i don't recall it being terrible, just kinda meh. and the ending doesn't make any sense.
20140101 12:49:17< vultraz> I think I'd rather watch Twilight than a film with no talking...
20140101 12:49:42< Coffee_irc> vultraz: there are apes with sticks for the first 5 mins :P
20140101 12:49:51< vultraz> .....wat
20140101 12:50:02< zookeeper> on the other hand, the problem with twilight _is_ the talking.
20140101 12:50:09< zookeeper> so i dunno
20140101 12:51:11< zookeeper> vultraz, have you seen "airplane!" ?
20140101 12:51:26< vultraz> what, the don't call me shirly thing?
20140101 12:51:30< zookeeper> yes
20140101 12:51:35< vultraz> No
20140101 12:51:47< zookeeper> ohh, you should. it's better than twilight.
20140101 12:52:14< Coffee_irc> sounds like you've got some serious film watching to do in 2014 vultraz
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20140101 12:54:01< vultraz> Coffee_irc: I'm mostly interested in Transformers 4
20140101 12:54:13< zookeeper> oh man
20140101 12:54:22< zookeeper> if there's one movie you need to see, it
20140101 12:54:25< zookeeper> 's airplane!
20140101 12:55:52< zookeeper> it's better than a twilight-transformers crossover
20140101 13:00:03< vultraz> I also can't wait for City of Ashes
20140101 13:00:20< zookeeper> you can substitute that with spaceballs
20140101 13:05:26< Coffee_irc> zookeeper: the spaceballs clips are better than the movie IMO
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20140101 13:07:49< Coffee_irc> it sucks that tomorrow is a work day, feels like a weekend
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20140101 13:24:16< fabi> zookeeper: rofl
20140101 13:24:32< fabi> better than a twilight-transformer crossover
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20140101 13:45:22< fabi_> shadowm: Any news on the link to the addon's forum topic feature?
20140101 13:45:48< fabi_> shadowm: I have some time now and would give it a try if you are to busy to get it ready before the freeze.
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20140101 14:41:57< fabi_> zookeeper: The end credits after winning HttT are still shown with an old style map in the background. 
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20140101 14:53:55< zookeeper> fabi_, yeah, i was gonna fix that too but forgot :p
20140101 14:54:37< fabi_> zookeeper: I am currently trying to get the background and map image properly into LoW. 
20140101 14:54:43< fabi_> It is not so easy.
20140101 14:54:55< zookeeper> what's not easy about it?
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20140101 14:55:19< fabi_> I have found the macro in HttT and wrote a similar one for LoW.
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20140101 14:56:09< fabi_> But I don't get how to combine it properly with the trackplayer journey.cfg.
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20140101 14:57:29< irker881> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth-old:master 4d004b8575ff / data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/_main.cfg: Removed the old-style map from the credits. http://git.io/X6v5vg
20140101 14:57:41< zookeeper> all you need to do is replace all instances of background=maps/wesnoth.png with those two [background_layer]s
20140101 14:58:17< zookeeper> you can do the journey stuff whichever way you want (so probably trackplacer)
20140101 14:58:55< fabi_> Are you coding them by hand?
20140101 14:59:13< zookeeper> nah, i have a gimp script i use to create the coordinate lists
20140101 14:59:24< fabi_> cool
20140101 14:59:40< fabi_> trackplacer is quite buggy.
20140101 14:59:44< zookeeper> organizing them i do by hand though
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20140101 15:00:58< zookeeper> i draw curves in gimp, run a script to generate a coordinate list for every spline segment, and then i just copy-paste those by hand and work them into the macros
20140101 15:03:16< zookeeper> i didn't like the huge mess of macros that trackplacer seems to create
20140101 15:04:15< zookeeper> + my usual antipathy towards the unreasonable difficulty of running trackplacer in the first place
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20140101 15:07:38< mattsc> Hi zookeeper.  How long do you expect an average-skilled player to last in A New Land now?  (and is the scenario rebalanced yet?)
20140101 15:09:12< zookeeper> mattsc, i lasted about 15 turns myself on normal difficulty and 150 gold's worth of lvl3's
20140101 15:09:52< mattsc> okay.  I'm asking because I am still wondering if it's worth fighting even the way it is now.
20140101 15:10:03< zookeeper> so i figured that it can't be a complete disaster balance-wise as it is, although someone coming in with a suitable set of units could maybe hold out in a corner for a very very long time
20140101 15:10:13< zookeeper> really?
20140101 15:10:18< mattsc> If you don't do anything and run, you'll last, what?, 7 turns maybe?
20140101 15:10:31< zookeeper> hrhm, yeah
20140101 15:11:00< mattsc> So your extra 10 turns give you 34*8 = 272, which is about 120 gold more than you spent.
20140101 15:11:30< mattsc> Take out upkeep for 7 lvl-3's for 10 turns or so, and there's not much of a benefit
20140101 15:12:31< mattsc> I'd have a suggestion, but you won't like it.  :P
20140101 15:12:44< zookeeper> i'll brace myself
20140101 15:12:45< zookeeper> shoot :p
20140101 15:12:51< mattsc> Don't do any gold carry-over, only the bonus.
20140101 15:13:09< zookeeper> well that's not a terrible idea
20140101 15:13:56< mattsc> (oh, and that should be "extra 8 turns" up there, but I assume you understood that)
20140101 15:13:56< zookeeper> that'd solve the running problem for good
20140101 15:14:12< mattsc> It would
20140101 15:14:22< fabi_> zookeeper: Trackplacer writes its own background= into the macros.
20140101 15:14:43< zookeeper> fabi_, oh, right. then just fix those by hand and you should be good to go.
20140101 15:15:06< zookeeper> mattsc, i have no problems with that, just have to find a good phrasing for it
20140101 15:16:15< mattsc> zookeeper: "0% of fnishing gold carried over to the next scenario"  :P
20140101 15:19:33< zookeeper> not that ;)
20140101 15:21:04< mattsc> zookeeper: btw, I have changed my mind on the enemy keeps being too far away
20140101 15:22:05< mattsc> It does make playing a bit slow at the beginning, but it means that everybody will last at least a half dozen of turns or so, guaranteeing a bit of bonus for every player, independent of skills.
20140101 15:24:21< zookeeper> yeah
20140101 15:24:58< zookeeper> i also change some of the terrain so that the sea elf gets into the action a little bit faster
20140101 15:25:04< zookeeper> changed, even
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20140101 15:36:11< mattsc> zookeeper: I agree that I quite like how the scenario works now.  I also like how the AI plays subtly differently now (but I am biased there, of course)
20140101 15:36:58< mattsc> And lasting around 15 turns sounds about right to me, so that would give you a bonus of 150-200 gold.  Is that consistent with previous balancing?
20140101 15:37:30< zookeeper> i like how you get these weird situations which never occur elsewhere, with wounded enemies you'd usually always finish off
20140101 15:38:12< zookeeper> i can't really say anything about the old carryover balance
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20140101 15:38:56< zookeeper> the worst thing that can happen now is that you can get too much gold too easily, which is a pretty small problem compared to the inverse :p
20140101 15:39:20< zookeeper> it definitely needs more balancing, that's for sure, in addition to that carryover change you suggested
20140101 15:39:44< mattsc> I just checked out my previous play-through.  I got 80 gold carried over then, vs. 2 or 3 times as much now.
20140101 15:40:06< mattsc> (that already assumes that no gold is carried over.
20140101 15:40:47< mattsc> Maybe take a quarter to a third of the villages off the map?
20140101 15:40:55< zookeeper> will have to do a proper full play-through of the campaign before 1.12, methinks
20140101 15:41:21< mattsc> Yeah, "unfortunately" that's often the case.
20140101 15:41:31< zookeeper> i already trimmed quite a few villages, so i'd rather make it harder some other way
20140101 15:42:02< mattsc> zookeeper: I'd also give the dwarves and the blue elves some more starting gold, just to keep the stream of units going for a little longer.
20140101 15:42:39< zookeeper> right. maybe cut off 1 hex from both castles to steady the stream a bit, too
20140101 15:43:30< mattsc> that would work
20140101 15:45:45< mattsc> zookeeper: concerning making it harder, starting gold for any of the possible scenarios #17 is 200.  Taking that down to 100 would pretty much make up for the difference in bonus gold between the old and the new scenario.
20140101 15:46:17< mattsc> Oh, but then it wouldn't work for when you go into the following mission.  Never mind that...
20140101 15:47:12< zookeeper> the following scenarios have traditionally been pretty tough gold-wise, so i'd rather decrease the carryover gold from 16 than the starting gold of 17's and beyond
20140101 15:47:58< zookeeper> i remember the times when things got basically impossible if you happened to drop to minimum gold during those scenarios. but that was when the 80% carryover was still in use and starting gold was probably 100 D:
20140101 15:48:01< mattsc> Doing anything but a 100% carry-over from a story-only scenario always seems like cheating the player to me.
20140101 15:48:29< zookeeper> err, s/16/15 i mean
20140101 15:48:45< zookeeper> and yes
20140101 15:48:54< mattsc> Ah, okay.  Well, reducing the number of villages would accomplish that.  :P
20140101 15:49:06< zookeeper> yeah. i'll see what i can do
20140101 15:50:11< mattsc> Anyways, I have to do some chores now.  Bottom line so far is that I like this new version of the scenario much better than the previous one.  It just needs some (relatively minor) balancing adjustments.
20140101 15:52:08< zookeeper> certainly
20140101 15:52:26< zookeeper> just tell me when you want to take on other problem scenarios... :p
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20140101 15:57:32< mattsc> If it involves AI work, I'm always good for that.  :-)
20140101 15:58:08< mattsc> If it's "only" rebalancing, I should really finish SotBE first, before I get distracted yet again.  :P
20140101 15:59:22< zookeeper> well, i guess we wouldn't have time for any bigger redesigns for 1.12 anyway
20140101 16:00:30< zookeeper> the scenario that mainly springs to mind that'd need some AI work would be "training the ogres" in EI. the scenario's about trying to capture ogres by ZoCing them, but IIRC it's currently pretty much broken.
20140101 16:01:20< zookeeper> as you can imagine, the ogres would be in need of an escape artist AI... in addition to a bunch of other things wrong with that scenario
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20140101 16:03:41< zookeeper> heck, it could be that the AI is the only reason why i've never committed my redesign of that scenario
20140101 16:07:32< zookeeper> except that there is already some AI work in place in my working copy, which means someone's written it for me
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20140101 16:50:09< mattsc> zookeeper: well, 1.13.0 should be started pretty soon, right?  We can always get an early start on 1.14.  :P
20140101 16:50:11< mattsc> And yeah, I remember the ogre scenario to be pretty pointless.  Good idea, but it just isn't working very well.
20140101 16:51:07< mattsc> If you send me your redesigned scenario with some comments on how you'd like it to work, I can have a look.
20140101 16:51:47< zookeeper> i gotta take a look myself first, see if it's actually finished AI-wise already... it might be :x
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20140101 16:53:51< zookeeper> i probably just hadn't finished the map layout and starting positions and all that which is required for the balance
20140101 16:56:01< mattsc> Sounds good to me.  I won't complain about adding another project to my list.  [I would really like to get back to trying to figure out how to get the most serious kinks out of our MP AIs at some point...]
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20140101 22:03:59< shadowm> fabi_: I'd rather do it myself for... reasons, but I don't really consider it to be high priority so I wouldn't be surprised if it misses the deadline.
20140101 22:04:20< shadowm> The deadline which we don't have.
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