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20140106 00:00:13< lipkab> I didn't.
20140106 00:00:19< shadowm> Please do.
20140106 00:00:40< lipkab> Okay.
20140106 00:00:57< monochromatic> fendrin: I just filed a report. https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?21449
20140106 00:01:32< fendrin> monochromatic: Thank you very much :-)
20140106 00:02:24< lipkab> I somehow feel that the amount of open bugs is constantly growing...
20140106 00:02:36< shadowm> Of course it is.
20140106 00:02:43< lipkab> I recall it was *below* 200 a year ago?
20140106 00:03:06< shadowm> I can hardly remember those days with under 100 bugs anymore.
20140106 00:03:53< lipkab> We should do bugfix days like the KDE guys. With precious awards.
20140106 00:04:12< lipkab> "Fix 10 bugs and have a tea with shadowm!"
20140106 00:04:25< elias> "fix 10 buts while only introducing 9 new bugs"
20140106 00:04:28< elias> *bugs
20140106 00:04:42< shadowm> Yeah well, but you'd have to pay my travel expenses for that award.
20140106 00:05:06< lipkab> Oh?
20140106 00:05:12< lipkab> You can't teleport?
20140106 00:05:34< shadowm> Uh.
20140106 00:06:52< fendrin> :-)
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20140106 00:09:47< lipkab> shadowm: Done.
20140106 00:13:35< shadowm> happygrue: When you say "The Khalifate faction is still under development", you refer to animations and stats, right?
20140106 00:14:35< shadowm> lipkab: Thanks.
20140106 00:16:09< shadowm> fendrin: Assigned https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?21447 to you.
20140106 00:16:54< shadowm> I really should assign it to me, but I'd rather not have to deal with contributed code I didn't push.
20140106 00:17:39< shadowm> I'm going to close bugs fixed in the last release now.
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20140106 00:26:53< fendrin> shadowm: The y at the end is some convention thing? I thought umc terrain would have a prefix not a postfix.
20140106 00:28:54< fendrin> shadowm: What do think about modifying the map editor to not drop out at unknown terrain, making it easier to fix without the need to use a text editor=
20140106 00:28:54< fendrin> ?
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20140106 00:53:40< mattsc> monochromatic: I just tried what you describe in your bug report and I can start a MP game just fine
20140106 00:53:57< monochromatic> hmm
20140106 00:54:19< mattsc> this is with trunk compiled a few hours ago
20140106 00:54:22< monochromatic> I have may installed certain libraries wrong then?
20140106 00:54:45< mattsc> which map are you trying to play?
20140106 00:54:54< monochromatic> any
20140106 00:55:03< monochromatic> The Freelands, Sulla's Ruins both crash
20140106 00:55:59< mattsc> Just tried Freelends, 'use map settings', and then the two default settings for players, and the game started just fine.
20140106 00:56:30< mattsc> I'm on a Mac, but I don't know if that would make a difference.
20140106 00:56:57< mattsc> Also tried with and without debug mode enable, same result.
20140106 00:57:25< monochromatic> I was using map settings too.
20140106 00:57:32< mattsc> *enabled
20140106 00:57:58< mattsc> Well, I actually had to change to 'use map settings'; my first attempt was without, as I always turn fog off for AI testing.
20140106 00:58:03< monochromatic> I think most likely then it's my side that's having issues?
20140106 00:58:08< mattsc> But either way did not make a difference.
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20140106 00:58:20< shadowm> Regarding https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?21330#comment7, do you mean this? https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-dev/2013-11/msg00012.html
20140106 00:58:24< shadowm> fendrin: 
20140106 00:58:25< mattsc> Possibly.  I really don't know.
20140106 00:58:28< AI0867> fendrin: the 'y' thing is indeed a convention: it's reserved for UMC, so mainline shouldn't use it
20140106 00:58:38< monochromatic> I'll have to figure out which dependency I've installed wrong.
20140106 00:58:51< shadowm> fendrin: Because a thread with a single response from vultraz of all people doesn't really qualify as a discussion.
20140106 00:59:06< mattsc> monochromatic: good luck!
20140106 00:59:22< lipkab> Yay! I found a bug that can be closed! https://gna.org/bugs/?6864
20140106 00:59:32< mattsc> Maybe somebody else who's on Linux could also check it, since it takes about 30 seconds ...
20140106 01:00:34< shadowm> I could, but I've been busy with other stuff.
20140106 01:00:45< lipkab> mattsc: Check what?
20140106 01:01:09< mattsc> lipkab: bug by monochromatic: https://gna.org/bugs/?21449
20140106 01:01:38< fendrin> lipkab: :-)
20140106 01:01:42< lipkab> Works for me.
20140106 01:02:19< shadowm> Anyone: Proposals for a 5th and 6th screenshot for http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Screenshots for 1.11.8?
20140106 01:05:29< fendrin> shadowm: The pandora theme?
20140106 01:05:46< _8680_> fendrin: Did you see <https://imagebin.ca/v/17lFr9L3Plfw>?
20140106 01:06:00< shadowm> fendrin: There is a pandora theme? Why wasn't this mentioned in the release notes?
20140106 01:06:52< shadowm> Well, see, the problem is that the pandora theme does not stretch to fit in 1024x768.
20140106 01:07:17< shadowm> It looks interesting, but I can't work with it.
20140106 01:08:04< fendrin> shadowm: Yes, it is for 800x480 only. The resolution of the pandora.
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20140106 01:08:54< fendrin> _8680_: Sorry, loading images is taking ages currently. What can I see there?
20140106 01:09:17< _8680_> fendrin: The buttons by the minimap overflowing the surrounding box.
20140106 01:09:54< fendrin> _8680_: Yes, I still wait for a new small minimap images from LordBob before I can fix this.
20140106 01:10:21< shadowm> fendrin: Could you answer my question about the ML discussion too?
20140106 01:10:48< fendrin> shadowm: Not my fault if everyone is neglecting the ML.
20140106 01:11:05< shadowm> But it'd be your fault to call that a discussion.
20140106 01:11:09< fendrin> shadowm: I guess it just means that all developers agree with my splendid idea.
20140106 01:11:42< shadowm> Everyone knows that's not necessarily the case.
20140106 01:13:30< fendrin> shadowm: Maybe the new hotkey preferences dialog is worth a shoot.
20140106 01:14:13< shadowm> Well, that'd be for the 1.12 announcement, not 1.11.8.
20140106 01:14:46< shadowm> Actually, that might be a good idea.
20140106 01:14:54< fendrin> shadowm: The create mp screen?
20140106 01:15:19< shadowm> That's covered in 1.11.7.
20140106 01:15:57< fendrin> shadowm: Yes, I see. Images are loading one row after the other right now.
20140106 01:16:27< shadowm> Except I don't feel comfortable about showcasing a dialog including a missing image.
20140106 01:16:41< shadowm> It'll have to be for 1.11.9.
20140106 01:17:49< fendrin> shadowm: Some of the editor's scenario or side setup dialogs? They are not that beautiful but give a hint about the editor being able to do more than just create pure maps now.
20140106 01:19:18< shadowm> The YAMG option in the Generate Map dialog is cool but it's not configurable and always gives the same result.
20140106 01:19:30< mattsc> shadowm: when was the new Ancient Lich portrait introduced?  I think having that in a message would be a nice screenshot.
20140106 01:19:42< shadowm> mattsc: Well, yes, but no.
20140106 01:19:51< mattsc> ok  :)
20140106 01:20:08< shadowm> Showing portraits in our site screenshots (which have to be 1024x768, don't ask me why) would give the wrong impression.
20140106 01:20:31< shadowm> That is, portraits on 1024x768 are tiny.
20140106 01:20:48< shadowm> At least with the default game UI theme.
20140106 01:21:06< mattsc> I meant an Ancient Lich speaking in front of a map ...
20140106 01:21:55< shadowm> Uh? But that'd not be an actual screenshot.
20140106 01:22:15< shadowm> (Re the thing I just said about portraits: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21371130/screenshots/tiny-konrad.jpg )
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20140106 01:26:07< mattsc> shadowm: not trying to convince you otherwise, just for fun: http://imagebin.org/285355
20140106 01:33:15< shadowm> Oh, I have a fifth screenshot and an idea for the sixth now.
20140106 01:34:26< mattsc> cool
20140106 01:42:03< irker397> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master de24b14676ba / src/global.hpp: Error out if NDEBUG is defined http://git.io/m2QSng
20140106 01:46:22< happygrue> shadowm: and unit descriptions, and faction history, and portraits and presumably some art down the road.
20140106 01:48:27< happygrue> but yes, animations are the most notable thing missing I guess, to a casual player.  And some stats will surely change, but that is still true of default too.
20140106 01:48:59< happygrue> "under development" seemed a good catch all to me.  Does it need to be more specific?
20140106 01:56:04< enchilado> shadowm: hey, your GUI looks different from mine
20140106 01:56:17< enchilado> Is that 1.11?
20140106 02:03:21< shadowm> enchilado: I am discussing 1.11.8...
20140106 02:04:07< enchilado> Well, yeah, but I meant is that look new and default in that version
20140106 02:04:43< shadowm> Yes.
20140106 02:04:58< enchilado> It looks better than the old one
20140106 02:06:36< enchilado> Although without wishing to offend anyone I think the flag icon could use a little work...
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20140106 02:08:16< shadowm>  Note that that's a JPEG screenshot.
20140106 02:09:16< enchilado> Hmm
20140106 02:09:40< enchilado> I want to download 1.11 but my aunt only has 8GB of data so I probably shouldn't
20140106 02:09:47< enchilado> I'll be home in a couple of days anyway
20140106 02:19:04< shadowm> Here's the 1.11.8 announcement draft: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=39847
20140106 02:19:19< shadowm> _8680_: This is where you go and do your language pedantry thing.
20140106 02:19:45< shadowm> I hope I didn't miss any important items that weren't in RELEASE_NOTES.
20140106 02:29:21< enchilado> The new movement crowns look much nicer but the orbs are almost impossible to see
20140106 02:29:27< enchilado> Why don't they have an outline?
20140106 02:30:39< shadowm> Crowns and movement orbs, you mean.
20140106 02:31:12< enchilado> Er, yes
20140106 02:31:20< enchilado> I wrote movement orbs and then backspaced
20140106 02:31:36< shadowm> Also, nobody here can really answer your question since the art is LordBob's (here as LordBob_ earlier).
20140106 02:32:00< enchilado> Hmm
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20140106 04:34:13< irker397> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 1a39d268f2c5 / changelog data/core/units/monsters/Giant_Mudcrawler.cfg players_changelog: Enable subtle magenta TC key bits for the Giant Mudcrawler http://git.io/1bHBFA
20140106 04:35:29< irker397> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master d5097e34e618 / RELEASE_NOTES: Clear RELEASE_NOTES http://git.io/IZc86Q
20140106 04:35:32< irker397> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master e547a7b451dc / Doxyfile: Bump Doxyfile version http://git.io/1upIpA
20140106 04:38:46< shadowm> Ivanovic: I await your confirmation to announce.
20140106 04:54:45< irker397> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 81626a10be04 / src/game_preferences_display.cpp: preferences: Use standard constant for the WML column separator http://git.io/OU3gmQ
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20140106 06:36:07< Ivanovic> shadowm: huh?
20140106 06:36:23< Ivanovic> just go ahead and announce (you probably need to update the downloads page)
20140106 06:36:36< shadowm> You haven't updated the downloads page, so I assume -- uh.
20140106 06:36:54< shadowm> OK, but I'll use the size numbers from SF.net.
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20140106 06:49:42< shadowm> How did the OS X bundle increase in size by about 25 MiB?
20140106 06:50:59< shadowm> mattsc:
20140106 07:00:59< Ivanovic> different packager with different bundled libs
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20140106 07:19:09< shadowm> ... Wow, the Other Years section of the news archives in the wiki sucks.
20140106 07:19:45< shadowm> I'll go and make it more maintainable later before archiving the 2013 news.
20140106 07:25:17< shadowm> Ivanovic: Done.
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20140106 07:47:25< LordBob_> shadowm: since we'd discussed it yesterday, here's a faceless village. I've also done a tentative shield favicon to replace the existing altogether, maybe it would work better. https://www.dropbox.com/s/oi577yp84azsjpz/favicon.jpg
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20140106 07:50:00< shadowm> LordBob_: Hm. I like the shield.
20140106 07:51:45< shadowm> I am not sure how attached the rest of the team feels to having a village as a favicon. I do know we've been doing that as far back as 2005 (and it was changed only relatively recently: http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/?p=173 ).
20140106 07:57:04< shadowm> Stupid IRC server reverting the topic.
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20140106 08:12:50< LordBob_> shadowm: if you like, I can submit the idea either on the forums or on the mailing list and see how it turns out. For now, I'll commit both alternatives to resources
20140106 08:13:53< shadowm> Forums should work. I doubt the people who actually care would even read the ML.
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20140106 08:41:34< irker397> wesnoth: Emilien Rotival wesnoth-old:master bd035e5c2f24 / / (5 files in 2 dirs): Minor update of the 'villages' status icon and new favicon candidates http://git.io/Y9SO8Q
20140106 08:43:20< fendrin> LordBob_: ping
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20140106 08:49:46< LordBob_> fendrin: pong
20140106 08:50:38< fendrin> LordBob_: Please have a look at 800x600, both UI the game or the editor. The smaller version of the minimap still needs some love.
20140106 08:52:10 * LordBob_ runs a test in said resolution
20140106 08:55:26< fendrin> The room of the buttons. It is too wide because it was designed for the 30 px versions of them. We now use the 25 ones. On the other hand is it not large enough to hold all 6 of them without overlapping.
20140106 08:57:56< LordBob_> Ok. So you would keep them in their current location on the left side of the map (I don't think we can afford the vertical space for the same setup as in 1024), but make better use of that space. Correct ?
20140106 09:02:42< LordBob_> fendrin: aside from this (should be quick enough), is there any other task left for the UI facelift ?
20140106 09:03:30< fendrin> LordBob_: The inner border of said smaller minimap frame should be removed as well, to match the bigger one in style.
20140106 09:03:43< LordBob_> Of course
20140106 09:04:12< fendrin> LordBob_: I am not bound to the left location (right might also work).
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20140106 09:05:46< fendrin> LordBob_: There is nothing more in my mind right now. But that does mean nothing. :-)
20140106 09:05:56< LordBob_> fendrin: While we're on the UI and since that part is nearing completion, in the near future I'd like to give some elements a final polish, such as nudge some by one or two pixel or align it with that other element.  We'll have to see if this is something I can do on my own or if it's best that I submit a wishlist :)
20140106 09:08:22< fendrin> LordBob_: When I have the new smaller minimap nothing prevents me from producing a fine tuned version of all resolutions' UI.
20140106 09:09:04< fendrin> Then you should have a better base for judging which fine tuning is cool on the artwork level.
20140106 09:09:43< LordBob_> fendrin: sounds good to me :)
20140106 09:11:01< LordBob_> fendrin: also, in the longer run, are you still on for the 'unitbox' theme that we'd started to work on ?
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20140106 09:13:44< fendrin> LordBob_: Yes, I still like the concept idea. Do you have doubts?
20140106 09:15:22< LordBob_> No no, not at all. It's just that we haven't discussed it in a while and I haven't been much available over the past  6 months, so I wanted to know if you had passed on to something else
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20140106 09:15:54< LordBob_> If not, that' perfect !
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20140106 09:17:52< zookeeper> didn't we have some (WIP?) favicon versions of the shield logo?
20140106 09:18:27< fendrin> LordBob_: I already liked the prototype with your quickly made stub images. It gave me the feeling of locking at a beta of a really professional made commercial game.
20140106 09:18:35< fendrin> s/locking/lookin
20140106 09:18:37< fendrin> g
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20140106 09:21:21< LordBob_> zookeeper: to be honest, I don't know. I looked around in the various images folders but didn't find anything and started from scratch as a result
20140106 09:22:09< LordBob_> But I'm not opposed to using a different icon if there already are better WIPs out there. Mine is really a quick job
20140106 09:22:45< zookeeper> LordBob_, http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=32117 and http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=551192#p551192
20140106 09:23:10< zookeeper> i'd think it'd be preferable to have one which is identifiable as being the logo
20140106 09:24:30< zookeeper> yours has the same colors but essentially it's not the same shield
20140106 09:24:34< LordBob_> fendrin: I'm glad to hear that :) Let's wrap up the facelift and get back to the unitbox, then :)
20140106 09:24:48< fendrin> LordBob_: Yeah
20140106 09:25:04< LordBob_> zookeeper: agreed. The one by Gunchleoc is vastly better
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20140106 09:28:42< fendrin> zookeeper: By the way, the Wesnoth application is one of the view which still gets a generic "X-Window System App" favicon in task bars and similar places.
20140106 09:28:50< fendrin> s/view/few
20140106 09:31:35< shadowm> Not on Windows.
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20140106 10:16:34< fendrin> shadowm: "Clear bindings for Select Hex and Move/Attack"  from http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=39850. This first step is not necessary.
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20140106 14:31:25< VladimirSlavik> Hi guys, I haven't checked on the state of Wesnoth in a long time... does Wescamp still exist, as advertised on wiki?
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20140106 14:45:11< mattsc> shadowm: I really don't know.  It's quite possible that I'm doing something not as efficiently as I could.  However, other than Alarantalara telling me what that might be, I don't know what I can do about it.
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20140106 16:50:15< timotei__> hello
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20140106 16:50:33< Guest75590> mattsc: I tried the 1.11.8 build. it works fine except some issue that maybe it's not really mac-related.
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20140106 16:51:19< timotei_temp> In the tutorial, I cannot move Konrad to the labeled target tile.
20140106 16:51:24< timotei_temp> IDK why :D
20140106 16:52:11< zookeeper> because someone changed the controls and didn't update the tutorial
20140106 16:52:17< mattsc> timotei: great, thank you!  Let me have a look at the tutorial.  (I assume it's not because of the new left-click right/click unit control method?)
20140106 16:52:23< zookeeper> it is
20140106 16:52:28< mattsc> Oh, I see.
20140106 16:52:45< timotei_temp> wait. what?
20140106 16:52:47< zookeeper> it's the first thing i checked when i installed 1.11.8 and of course the tutorial was broken because of it
20140106 16:53:06< timotei_temp> Ah right. Right-click.
20140106 16:54:09< timotei_temp> Btw, ALT+Space doesn't seem to work in Mac for ending the turn.
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20140106 16:55:41< mattsc> timotei_temp: It does work for me (alt+space).  The hotkey system was also changed, maybe it's not assigned in your case for some reason.
20140106 16:56:13< mattsc> I remember shadowm (I think) having an issue with that as well (on a non-Mac system)
20140106 16:56:38< timotei_temp> Well, the Actions menu lists alt+space as a shortcut, so I think it's assigned
20140106 16:57:22< mattsc> Hmm, then I don't know.  As I said, it does work for me.
20140106 16:57:45< timotei_temp> OK.
20140106 16:58:44< mattsc> Maybe try reassigning it?
20140106 16:59:06< mattsc> I don't know why that should make a difference, but it's easy enough to try.
20140106 17:04:26< Ivanovic> thanks shadowm
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20140106 17:41:48< apoi> Ivanovic: Isn't Wesnoth 1.11.8 the ninth release of the 1.11.x development series?  There was a 1.11.0 IIRC.
20140106 17:42:27< Ivanovic> apoi: shadowm wrote the text, complain to him
20140106 17:42:37< Ivanovic> and there was 1.11.0 but one intermediate release did not happen
20140106 17:42:40< apoi> Ivanovic: OK, sorry.
20140106 17:44:11< apoi> Ivanovic: http://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/files/wesnoth/ - nine releases.  I'll find shadowmaster.
20140106 17:47:09< mattsc> apoi: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewforum.php?f=62 - eight release announcements (depends how you want to count it)
20140106 17:49:46< apoi> mattsc: Seems like 1.11.3 wasn't announced, but it was released: http://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/files/wesnoth/wesnoth-1.11.3/
20140106 17:51:16< mattsc> apoi: yes I know.  I was closely involved with that, as the Micro AIs caused the game to crash (although it was not caused by a bug with the Micro AIs themselves)
20140106 17:51:49< mattsc> shadowm obviously chose not to count 1.11.3 as a release, as it was not announced.  You could argue that either way.
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20140106 18:00:18< apoi> mattsc: OK, I'm satisfied. :)  Thank you.
20140106 18:01:50< mattsc> apoi: :)
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20140106 18:35:54< fendrin> hi timotei
20140106 18:35:56< fendrin> hi Turuk
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20140106 18:36:26< fendrin> Turuk: Can you have a look at my latest post please? I am not sure if it is understandable.
20140106 18:37:46< fendrin> timotei: I was the one (but not the only one) who did most of the changes to the hotkey system. Thus you might want to talk to me if the problem persists.
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20140106 19:10:04< timotei> fendrin: ok :)
20140106 19:10:30< fendrin> timotei: Did restoring the default values solve your problem?
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20140106 19:52:31< irker186> wesnoth: Espreon wesnoth-old:master 869060921f62 / data/core/units/khalifate/Tineen.cfg: 'naptha' -> 'naphtha' for consistency. http://git.io/Brk3MA
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20140106 21:08:32< shadowm> apoi, Ivanovic: Yes, I'm not counting 1.11.3 because it was never announced to the userbase.
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20140106 21:09:27< apoi> shadowm: OK, thank you.
20140106 21:09:49< shadowm> mattsc: If you built any libraries or the executable yourself I suppose the most obvious thing is -O3 vs -O2 vs -O1 vs -O0 and no debug symbols. vs some debug symbols vs. all debug symbols.
20140106 21:11:06< shadowm> fendrin: Are you sure? I think it was when I last did it.
20140106 21:11:38< mattsc> shadowm: well, there's a release build and a debug build and I used the release build, which should be optimized for this already.  In fact, I checked and the executable is smaller than for the 1.11.7 build.
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20140106 21:12:20< shadowm> elias: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=565385#p565385
20140106 21:13:46< shadowm> noy: So was it decided whether to use naptha or naphtha?
20140106 21:14:03< noy> I don't think it was changed
20140106 21:15:05< shadowm> http://git.io/Brk3MA brought to my attention that every other usage of the word used the 'naphtha' spelling.
20140106 21:15:45< mattsc> In fact, the "packaged content" is 14 MB smaller for 1.11.8 than for 1.11.7.  So the difference must be in the packaging process.
20140106 21:16:12< shadowm> VladimirSlavik: Yes, sort of. It's now on GitHub and managed by different people: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Wescamp
20140106 21:17:13< noy> hmm, well actually it should be Nafta?
20140106 21:19:17< shadowm> I can update the files once a decision is made...
20140106 21:19:44< shadowm> zookeeper: Velensk sent _me_ (for some reason) an updated version of one of the mainline MP maps. What do I do with it?
20140106 21:20:14< zookeeper> shadowm, send it to... someone? :P
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20140106 21:20:37< zookeeper> happygrue is the only MP person that i can think of who's been around lately
20140106 21:21:30< shadowm> zookeeper: I thought you also did stuff with the MP maps.
20140106 21:21:34< noy> I'd probably ask esperon but I don't have an account anymore
20140106 21:22:00< zookeeper> shadowm, maybe i have sometimes, but i'd much rather not. and i wouldn't do anything but blindly drop them in, anyway.
20140106 21:22:16< shadowm> noy: Uh, you mean forum account?
20140106 21:22:39< noy> no, Git 
20140106 21:23:39< fendrin> shadowm: If you reassign a hotkey to a new action, the gui asks you "Blah is already bound to foo. Do you want to assign it to bar?".
20140106 21:24:12< shadowm> Well, this way also works and people don't get strange prompts with it. :p
20140106 21:24:31< fendrin> shadowm: Indeed. Both ways of doing so is fine.
20140106 21:24:49< fendrin> Still the user needs to find the other not wanted action first.
20140106 21:27:08< elias> shadowm: yeah, hopefully that's only the case from midnight yesterday to midnight today
20140106 21:27:38< elias> there was a parse error in git in the generation run yesterday which has been fixed since
20140106 21:28:01< shadowm> !time utc
20140106 21:28:01< shikadibot> shadowm: The current time (UTC) is Mon Jan  6 21:28:00 2014.
20140106 21:28:16< shadowm> elias: OK, I'll keep an eye on the next run then.
20140106 21:28:39< elias> hm, and I'll have to make sure the fix went to 1.10 git
20140106 21:29:01< elias> will check that when i get home
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20140106 21:31:53< shadowm> fendrin: Did you read some of the posts in the release announcement discussion thread? Esp. this: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=565390#p565390 and the post below it.
20140106 21:33:23< mattsc> shadowm: oh, interesting.  By default, OS X's DiskUtility produces zlib-compressed packages, but Alarantalara's packages are bzip2-compressed.
20140106 21:33:25< fendrin> shadowm: Not yet. Thank you for pointing me to it.
20140106 21:34:00< mattsc> I can convert that at the CL which results in an 18 MiB smaller file.  Would you like me to re-upload that?
20140106 21:34:12< fendrin> shadowm: I is there a way to discover if the actual version of Wesnoth is started for the first time?
20140106 21:35:35< shadowm> mattsc: I don't think it's that useful to do that now that it's all published already. You can upload it if you want, but it may be a bad idea to overwrite the existing file -- use a new name (e.g. 1.11.8a) for it instead.
20140106 21:35:52< shadowm> mattsc: Alternatively, you can just do nothing now and make sure to use bzip2 compression for the next release.
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20140106 21:36:23< shadowm> The difference isn't that big and e.g. people like me would have the same amount of trouble to download it either way.
20140106 21:36:40< shadowm> fendrin: I disagree with the proposed solution.
20140106 21:37:34< fendrin> shadowm: Noted. Is there a way to find out about new version?
20140106 21:37:55< shadowm> You have two cases:
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20140106 21:38:18< shadowm> 1) The preferences file exists and was last written to by a previous version. There is no way to know this.
20140106 21:38:33< shadowm> 2) The preferences file does not exist. This can be detected.
20140106 21:38:33< mattsc> shadowm: okay, I'll leave it as it is for 1.11.8 then.  Btw, I did check the file size on my computer before uploading and it showed up as 392 MB, which seemed close enough to the 386 of 1.11.7.  I didn't think about there being different conventions.  :P
20140106 21:39:27< fendrin> shadowm: I will address 1) by saving the version in the preferences file.
20140106 21:39:30< mattsc> I mean the 386 shown on the downloads page; I didn't compare it to the file size of the 1.11.7 package on my computer, obviously.
20140106 21:39:31< shadowm> mattsc: Yeah, IIRC Apple participates in the HDD and SSD manufacturers' collusion.
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20140106 21:40:18< shadowm> fendrin: Hahaha, yeah, that's surely going to work for existing 1.10 users.
20140106 21:40:23< shadowm> (Not.)
20140106 21:40:31< fendrin> why not?
20140106 21:40:59< shadowm> PTPHm, OTOH you can check for the existence of the version signature and assume it's < 1.11.9, so nvm.
20140106 21:41:22< fendrin> yes, that was the plan. No version information means < 1.11.9
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