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20140110 00:01:27< shadowm> The action has no hotkey assignments by default.
20140110 00:02:17< mattsc> no, but if you want a screenshot of the entire map, you can use that
20140110 00:02:35< shadowm> There's a separate Map Screenshot action too.
20140110 00:09:09< mattsc> I'm referring to this: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=39865
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20140110 00:49:05< fendrin_> Isn't the --screenshot option broken?
20140110 00:49:24< fendrin_> I have a patch which claims to fix it.
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20140110 01:41:26< AI0867> fendrin_: I just used it, it works
20140110 01:41:35< AI0867> that is, I used it before making that post
20140110 01:41:57< fendrin_> It is far from being perfect.
20140110 01:42:08< fendrin_> The user feedback has clearly shown that.
20140110 01:42:16< AI0867> I haven't seen it =P
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20140110 02:44:03-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 210 bugs, 343 feature requests, 28 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20140110 04:42:43< shadowm> Would anyone be against a refactoring of the campaignd code?
20140110 04:42:59< shadowm> (Does anyone actually care about campaignd?)
20140110 04:50:19< fendrin_> http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=64074&mode=view
20140110 04:51:35< vultraz> What's that?
20140110 04:52:00< fendrin_> orbselector
20140110 04:52:01< shadowm> That really belongs in Advanced instead.
20140110 04:52:08< vultraz> Why is it needed?
20140110 04:52:24< fendrin_> for color blind persons
20140110 04:52:33< fendrin_> but not only
20140110 04:53:10< shadowm> Actually, a subdialog presented by a button in the Display page would suffice.
20140110 04:53:18< vultraz> Then why not create just a "color blind" setting like other games do, that will automatically adjust all color settings to by a set paramater
20140110 04:53:48< vultraz> Instead of allowing everyone to change their orb colors and potentially cause confusion beteween players
20140110 04:53:50< shadowm> vultraz: There are multiple types of color blindness.
20140110 04:54:22< vultraz> (Plus I dont see how it really helps since the colors are the same)
20140110 04:55:03< fendrin_> shadowm: I like to give the user also control over the team colors.
20140110 04:55:14< fendrin_> shadowm: Thus 2 extra buttons in Display.
20140110 04:55:34< shadowm> fendrin_: "I would like". Well, you can just stuff it all in the same subdialog.
20140110 04:55:34< vultraz> Team colors? Now you're really asking for confusion...
20140110 04:55:40< shadowm> However.
20140110 04:56:12< shadowm> However, I think I need a detailed spec to decide exactly how much this may impact WML.
20140110 04:56:40< vultraz> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
20140110 04:56:42< vultraz> This
20140110 04:57:09< vultraz> What about shared replays? Mp games?
20140110 04:57:29< fendrin_> Players need to talk about numbers then.
20140110 04:58:02< fendrin_> But I guess every color blind user is aware that the other players see different colors, no matter if he could choose a different scheme.
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20140110 04:59:56< vultraz> I think this would only cause more problems than solve them...
20140110 05:02:09< fendrin_> Seems to be a trade off.
20140110 05:02:26< fendrin_> What kind of problems do you see?
20140110 05:08:59< vultraz> Say two normally visioned people play in MP. One has the default red -> blue scheme, and the other has purple -> blue. How would they know which side they were talking about? How would the colors be recorded on replays? What if they swapped replays. Side 1 would be called red on one and purple on the other
20140110 05:10:53< fendrin_> Well sure, that is the whole point of the thing.
20140110 05:11:28< fendrin_> The players need to talk about side numbers if they have a different color scheme.
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20140110 05:15:14< fendrin_> vultraz: It is a matter of warning. "Use this feature with care and only if you must".
20140110 05:15:28< fendrin_> vultraz: because it might eat your cat.
20140110 05:15:57< fendrin_> vultraz: Just not doing it if we can seems a little unfair to those that have the color restriction.
20140110 05:16:06< shadowm> I think you need to take a break.
20140110 05:18:33< fendrin_> The side color thing is not for 1.12.
20140110 05:19:11< fendrin_> Only the orb one and it is not that hard.
20140110 05:20:18< shadowm> You say so, but that UI design is deplorable.
20140110 05:21:29< vultraz> ^
20140110 05:23:22< fendrin_> I think when I turn the radiobuttons into sliders it is fine enough to compete with the other tabs.
20140110 05:23:45< shadowm> We agreed ages ago that we would not introduce another Preferences page.
20140110 05:24:03< fendrin_> did we?
20140110 05:24:07< shadowm> Yes.
20140110 05:24:19< fendrin_> "Ages Ago" is the point.
20140110 05:24:44< fendrin_> I don't believe  I did ever agree on anything forever and ever.
20140110 05:24:52< fendrin_> That is not my style.
20140110 05:25:24< fendrin_> Anyway, it can live in "Display".
20140110 05:26:03< fendrin_> Where would you like to have the button?
20140110 05:26:30< shadowm> Next to Theme.
20140110 05:26:35< fendrin_> fine
20140110 05:28:49< shadowm> Alternatively I'd move it to Advanced along with the Paths button like I originally planned to do with the compression algorithm selection.
20140110 05:29:49< fendrin_> Advanced scares me a little.
20140110 05:29:51< shadowm> But I'd prefer to take care of that myself assuming I come up with a more concrete plan (i.e. layout and code) to do that.
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20140110 09:20:24< shadowm> I'm getting warnings for core from wmllint again. Grrrrr.
20140110 09:20:53< shadowm> Ah, never mind, these are good.
20140110 09:24:18< irker865> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master d6384695ecf4 / changelog data/core/help.cfg players_changelog: Fix broken image references in the Gameplay -> Time of Day help topic http://git.io/Ou6xAw
20140110 09:24:58< shadowm> I love it when wmlll
20140110 09:25:06< shadowm> ... when wmllint is actually helpful like that.
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20140110 14:46:25< LordBob_> zookeeper: ping ?
20140110 14:48:04< zookeeper> pong
20140110 14:50:07< fendrin_> LordBob_: pong
20140110 14:50:17< fendrin_> LordBob_: pong
20140110 14:50:22< fendrin_> LordBob_: ping
20140110 14:50:25< LordBob_> ah, hello guys :)
20140110 14:50:38< fendrin_> Sorry
20140110 14:50:49< LordBob_> err...ping pong pang ? :p
20140110 14:51:07< fendrin_> :-)
20140110 14:51:21< LordBob_> I've been doing more story art
20140110 14:51:27< LordBob_> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7vugoef20gievtx/LIlSI2OKBJ
20140110 14:52:14< LordBob_> The entire intro for tRoW is there, barring one last picture, the title screen and the "animated" maps
20140110 14:53:31< zookeeper> they're good
20140110 14:54:08< LordBob_> they will hopefully get better the more I do :)
20140110 14:54:10< zookeeper> 5 and 6, who's who?
20140110 14:54:13< fendrin_> LordBob_: Do we already have a highres version of the movement orbs?
20140110 14:54:36< fendrin_> LordBob_: nice work :-)
20140110 14:54:41< LordBob_> fendrin: I don't think so, but then doing one shouldn't take more than a coupla minute
20140110 14:54:59< fendrin_> LordBob_: Please do so. I need it urgently.
20140110 14:55:11< fendrin_> LordBob_: http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=64074&mode=view
20140110 14:55:17< fendrin_> The scaling result is bad.
20140110 14:55:46< LordBob_> zookeeper: both images show the same person, i.e. the younger prince who goes to war against the wesfolk
20140110 14:56:01< zookeeper> oh, right
20140110 14:56:23< LordBob_> Although now that you mention it, he could be more recognizable in 6
20140110 14:57:23< LordBob_> Anyway, I was thinking that these could be opposite pages in the book, illustrating the part about chafing under the eye of suspiscion etc.
20140110 14:57:51< LordBob_> Note that his presence is also hinted in 3 and 4
20140110 14:58:06< zookeeper> yeah
20140110 14:58:29< LordBob_> fendrin_: are you turning Wesnoth into a game of Mastermind ? :p
20140110 14:58:39< fendrin_> hihi
20140110 14:59:05< fendrin_> Yeah, some casual games like tetris to play during opponents turns wouldn't hurt.
20140110 14:59:12< fendrin_> and mastermind 
20140110 14:59:32< LordBob_> Ok, it does look ugly. I'll do the orb right now
20140110 14:59:34< fendrin_> The preferences is the perfect place for such a feature.
20140110 14:59:43< fendrin_> :-)
20140110 14:59:45< LordBob_> Sounds like a nice easter egg :D
20140110 15:00:09< zookeeper> LordBob_, got anything new for the book(s) yet? and on that note, what sort of realism level are you going to go for?
20140110 15:00:44< zookeeper> the maps aren't exactly photorealistic but clearly more in that direction than anything else
20140110 15:00:53< LordBob_> zookeeper: unfortunately I've been too busy painting :p
20140110 15:01:12< LordBob_> but yeah, the maps are a good standard
20140110 15:02:32< LordBob_> as for the paintings themselves, this is as polished as they're gonna get
20140110 15:03:11< LordBob_> I'd love to do all of them in the same style as the portraits, but this would require an entirely different amount of time
20140110 15:03:19< zookeeper> yeah i think they're as polished as they need to be when applied onto another surface
20140110 15:03:41< LordBob_> and a big pile of gold to sit on while I spend my whole life doing wesnoth art, too :p
20140110 15:04:38< LordBob_> If need be, I think we can blend them smoothly with the background using a variety of curves, filters and overlays
20140110 15:05:45< zookeeper> sure, there needs to be some processing to make them appear part of the page
20140110 15:06:54< LordBob_> by the way, how comfortable do you feel with the more graphical (i.e non-drawing) parts of the process ? Judging by the maps I'd say you're quite used to it, but I'd rather check before dropping work on your plate
20140110 15:07:07< zookeeper> 7 is really nice
20140110 15:07:11< zookeeper> the lighting and all
20140110 15:08:04< zookeeper> well i've been expecting to get to do all the fitting of the images onto the pages, including all the necessary blending and such
20140110 15:08:18< LordBob_> ok, that's great :)
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20140110 15:08:43< LordBob_> which leaves me with the book, for now
20140110 15:09:02< LordBob_> and the orb, too. I'm not forgetting you, fendrin_ 
20140110 15:09:11< fendrin_> :-)
20140110 15:10:05< zookeeper> too bad we can't really animate pages flipping as you go from one screen to the next, that'd be neat :p
20140110 15:10:51< LordBob_> Heh. Reminds me of that old Dune game
20140110 15:11:14 * LordBob_ is tempted to animate a gif
20140110 15:11:37< LordBob_> anyway, surely we can find some flipping sound to make up for it
20140110 15:12:16< zookeeper> i'm pretty sure i have some of those already :p
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20140110 15:26:35< LordBob_> fendrin_: I didn't ask, by the way: how large do you need the orb to be ?
20140110 15:26:59< fendrin_> LordBob_: x2
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20140110 15:27:29< LordBob_> alright, but (?) x2 = ? 
20140110 15:27:43< fendrin_> LordBob_: 144
20140110 15:27:45< LordBob_> Do you mean twice its current tiny size ?
20140110 15:28:13< fendrin_> The screenshot is from 144, it is currently a 72 with much transparency.
20140110 15:28:39< LordBob_> Ah, ok.
20140110 15:28:45< fendrin_> I guess the highres gem
20140110 15:28:55< fendrin_> could also be used when scaling the units
20140110 15:29:01< LordBob_> So, same orb, same position as for the hexes, but twice bigger
20140110 15:29:12< fendrin_> yes
20140110 15:29:23< fendrin_> That is reusable for both purposes best.
20140110 15:32:08< LordBob_> Shall I also do high res hp bars and leader crowns, while I'm at it ?
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20140110 15:46:33< fendrin_> LordBob_: Yes, please.
20140110 15:46:49< fendrin_> LordBob_: I can't promise when they will be ready to be seen int the game.
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20140110 16:02:06< thunderstruck> shadowm: Hello. I quickly looked at http://git.io/6CKiew and it indeed seems that choosable_factions() should return a reference.
20140110 16:02:29< thunderstruck> I will fix this later. Thanks for letting me know.
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20140110 16:09:01< irker600> wesnoth: Emilien Rotival wesnoth-old:master 6a531db9dc95 / images/misc/orb@2x.png: High res orb artwork for the Pandora theme http://git.io/Guh9ZQ
20140110 16:09:10< LordBob_> fendrin_: ^
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20140110 17:24:45< EliDupree_> Does anyone here know the GUI code (in 1.10)? I'm trying to do creative things with wesnoth.show_dialog
20140110 17:26:05< EliDupree_> I've read the wiki documentation and been looking around the code for more information
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20140110 17:26:57< EliDupree_> Right now what I'm trying to do is make a button that has an image in it. I can use set_dialog_canvas for that, except I don't know a way to make the button sized tall enough to fit the image.
20140110 17:27:36< EliDupree_> Are there more docs anywhere that I should know about?
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20140110 20:34:57< shadowm> fendrin_: You've got to stop it with the forum posts that only consists of smilies. It appears to be becoming a habit of yours.
20140110 20:40:32< fendrin_> shadowm: Yeah, sometimes they are perfectly fine to give an answer.
20140110 20:44:44< fendrin_> shadowm: But sometimes I also use text, don't I?
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20140110 21:14:54< fendrin_> EliDupree_: The gui1 buttons in 1.12 support that already.
20140110 21:15:08< fendrin_> EliDupree_: Also the theme wml 
20140110 21:15:32< fendrin_> EliDupree_: Sorry, 1.11 of course.
20140110 21:15:50< EliDupree_> Yeah, I understand that 1.11 is way better :P
20140110 21:16:03< EliDupree_> but I'm writing for the MP audience which mostly plays 1.10
20140110 21:17:11< fendrin_> EliDupree_: Your question is about the lua interface to gui2, right?
20140110 21:17:35< EliDupree_> I guess so?
20140110 21:18:11< fendrin_> Well, I am not sure myself. At first I thought you ask for c++ code modification help.
20140110 21:18:26< EliDupree_> nah, addon writing
20140110 21:18:42< EliDupree_> sorry for the ambiguity
20140110 21:18:57< fendrin_> Okay, then me pointing you to 1.11 does not make much sense.
20140110 21:19:51< fendrin_> EliDupree_: I bet vultraz can help you.
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20140110 23:34:34< EliDupree_> vultraz: You around?
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