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20140115 08:29:32< shadowm> wesbot: seen Elvish_Hunter
20140115 08:29:32< wesbot> shadowm: The person with the nick Elvish_Hunter 7d 21h ago they left with the message: Quit: Ciao!
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20140115 08:52:39< cib0> Is there a way to save custom data into a unit using lua/WML? Like a new attribute?
20140115 08:53:32< shadowm> You can store whatever you want into the [variables] tag of the unit (and even filter it (value equality only, though) with [filter_wml] in SUFs).
20140115 08:53:49< cib0> Oh right, thanks. Haven't worked with WML in too long. I knew there was something like that.
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20140115 09:20:39< cib0> Funny if a side has controller = null, their units don't heal from standing still.
20140115 09:20:53< cib0> Probably because they never get a turn
20140115 09:21:15< zookeeper> sounds like a bug
20140115 09:21:38< shadowm> I thought controller=null sides not getting a turn was intentional, actually.
20140115 09:22:07< zookeeper> sure, but i doubt the implication of no rest healing was :p
20140115 09:22:43< shadowm> If they don't get a turn, they don't get anything that normally happens during a side's turn.
20140115 09:22:57< shadowm> Seems logical.
20140115 09:23:05< cib0> Probably not practically relevant though. Usually units with controller=null don't fight, or at least I can't think of a situation. Only reason I even noticed was because I forgot to make the side allied.
20140115 09:24:01< zookeeper> well, i don't have a problem with that as long as the wiki mentions it
20140115 09:25:49< cib0> More projects need people like you, zookeeper. Also, more projects need good documentation and internal consistency like wesnoth has.
20140115 09:27:03< zookeeper> err... okay :P
20140115 09:30:06< cib0> Sorry, been working on FOSS projects where it's common practice to merge undiscussed, undocumented changes for too long. Wesnoth is really exceptional in how "professional" it is for a hobbyist project from what I've seen.
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20140115 09:38:32< shadowm> mattsc: It seems AtS E3S7A onwards are too much for the AI to handle with the recruitment_save_gold aspect, since I'm stumbling upon situations where AI behavior becomes inconsistent. :p
20140115 09:39:16< shadowm> I haven't looked into it further yet, though, because I intend to release with those bugs anyway.
20140115 09:39:21< cib0> http://pastebin.com/QUkBBLZh
20140115 09:40:29< shadowm> It's especially urgent since the last release crashes 1.11.8 on E3S7A due to a change purportedly intended to help with the map editor, of all things.
20140115 09:41:55< zookeeper> cib0, if the first sentence is correct, looks good to me
20140115 09:42:28< shadowm> cib0: Missing blank between 'healing' and a left parenthesis.
20140115 09:42:34< cib0> The first sentence was the previous description, so I'm assuming it's correct.
20140115 09:44:04< cib0> ty shadowm, fixed and applied.
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20140115 09:59:05< cib0> "Git replaced Sub­version (SVN) as Wesnoth's version control system in March 2013." Oh, I didn't know. That's pretty cool.
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20140115 10:59:59< irker460> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:1.10 2572690ac2af / data/tools/wmllint: wmllint: bugfix missing "stringfreeze" long argument in getopt, and correct help http://git.io/Uwo4VQ
20140115 11:00:01< irker460> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:1.10 a4d95c1d8f1f / data/tools/wmllint: wmllint: extend scenario check to include first scenario http://git.io/gdvfsQ
20140115 11:00:03< irker460> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:1.10 489dc1fe420c / data/tools/wmllint: wmllint: revert part of ifdef_stack commit http://git.io/70W4uQ
20140115 11:00:05< irker460> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:1.10 8d11bbf6b847 / data/tools/wmlindent: wmlindent: fix pango indentation-stopping bug (pointed out by vultraz) http://git.io/WSgnNA
20140115 11:00:07< irker460> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:1.10 d1f1f97f6952 / data/tools/wesnoth/wmltools.py: fix wmltools' parse_attribute to not consider pango color hashes as a comment http://git.io/vSeWLg
20140115 11:00:09< irker460> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:1.10 a1fc69364708 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/units/Dwarvish_Loremaster.cfg: THoT Dwarvish_Loremaster: fix typo in apparently unnecessary magic comment http://git.io/X4Z_WA
20140115 11:00:11< irker460> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:1.10 9b7b20c89b1d / data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/utils/deaths.cfg: HttT deaths.cfg: fix Konrad's dying words event http://git.io/5d6UIA
20140115 11:00:13< irker460> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:1.10 967fa627b842 / data/core/macros/ai.cfg: ai.cfg: fix "#ifdef MEDIUM" to NORMAL in attack_depth http://git.io/4d949A
20140115 11:00:15< irker460> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:1.10 3b464ff247ce / data/tools/wmllint: wmllint: prevent zero-length unit ids from crashing python-enchant spellcheck http://git.io/bFJK9Q
20140115 11:00:17< irker460> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:1.10 373ee54746ab / data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/scenarios/06a_Tidings_Good_and_Ill.cfg: South Guard 06a: fix ogre last breath http://git.io/Gr0BEQ
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20140115 14:24:18< mattsc> shadowm: hmm, interesting.  In which way does the inconsistency manifest itself?
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20140115 14:34:10< mattsc> Does anybody know if there is a comment notification system on github?  I left a comment with a commit for groggy_dice (just a clarification, no action needed), no idea if he'll ever see that.
20140115 14:35:02< AI0867> yes
20140115 14:35:33< mattsc> great, thanks
20140115 14:40:34< mattsc> Next dumb question, I want to leave a note in the objectives in SotBE S4 that it's okay for the player to lose all Side 3 units except for the shamans (the player not has control of that side).  How does this sound:
20140115 14:40:57< mattsc> "Of the Side 3 units, only the shamans will follow Kapou'e into the next scenario"
20140115 14:41:19< mattsc> s/not/now
20140115 14:41:54< vultraz> good enough
20140115 14:42:45< mattsc> vultraz: thanks
20140115 14:43:15< mattsc> I don't really like it, but I can't come up with a better way of saying it without using many more words  :P
20140115 14:43:57< _8680_> “Of side 3’s units, […]”
20140115 14:44:07< _8680_> Otherwise, I think it’s fine.
20140115 14:45:31< vultraz> Right, do that ^
20140115 14:45:40< vultraz> Numbers always knows
20140115 14:46:19< mattsc> _8680_: okay, thanks.  Interesting that you decapitalized the "side.  In my field, things like that count as proper names and are capitalized.
20140115 14:46:56< vultraz> But it's not a proper name
20140115 14:47:09< zookeeper> mattsc, why not simply give the shamans to the player? that's the way it used to be IIRC
20140115 14:47:52< mattsc> zookeeper: the player does have control of the shamans, but they are now on side 3, which the player also has control of.
20140115 14:48:04< zookeeper> right, i see...
20140115 14:48:39< mattsc> What I want to point out with the comment is that you can sacrifice side 3 units, as only side 1 units will be carried over.
20140115 14:49:18< cib0> Isn't there a more in-character way to identify side 3 than saying side 3 outright?
20140115 14:49:19< mattsc> That's also unchanged, but might not be obvious for a human-controlled side.
20140115 14:49:48< bumbadadabum> "Of the Barag-gor soldiers, (...)"?
20140115 14:49:52< mattsc> cib0: We could use the side's leader's name, I guess.  I think it's hard-coded.  Let me check.
20140115 14:50:25< mattsc> yep: Rugh
20140115 14:51:02< vultraz> not "of the"
20140115 14:51:24< zookeeper> well if that side only has and can recruit lvl1's (except for the leader), then why bother to dispose of them? i presume there won't be _that_ many of them, so you can just give them to the player at scenario end
20140115 14:51:31< vultraz> I think "of x's" would be bete
20140115 14:51:32< vultraz> r
20140115 14:51:34< vultraz> better
20140115 14:52:29< mattsc> zookeeper: There are a lot of them (I think I had 30 units at some point), and it is a big battle scenarios, so you can level up quite a few of them.
20140115 14:52:46< zookeeper> right. i haven't played the reworked one.
20140115 14:52:58< mattsc> Adding those to Kapou'e's already impressive list of recalls would make quite a difference.
20140115 14:53:17< mattsc> It's the scenario that has changed most so far.
20140115 14:55:51< mattsc> So, what I am hearing is this: "Of Rugh's units, only the shamans will follow Kapou'e into the next scenario" ?
20140115 14:56:16< vultraz> Good
20140115 14:56:33< zookeeper> or "Except for the shamans, the <however you spell barag gor> defenders will not follow you into the next scenario"
20140115 14:57:42< zookeeper> or if you want your version, i'd actually suggest changing the name to something more distinct :J i'd think "Rugh who?" would be a pretty common first question upon seeing the objectives otherwise
20140115 14:58:28< mattsc> zookeeper: yeah, good point.  And one of the reasons why I used "side 3" in my original version.  I like your version.
20140115 14:59:19< mattsc> An alternative would be to add this note only to the side 3 objectives, not side 1, but it's pretty easy to miss it in that case since all the rest is the same.
20140115 14:59:42< zookeeper> yeah having different objectives for several sides would be very confusing
20140115 14:59:58< mattsc> So ... unless I hear otherwise, I'll go with zookeeper's suggestion
20140115 15:05:12< cib0> Oh you actually *control* side 3?
20140115 15:05:42< cib0> That campaign must require a lot of patience.
20140115 15:06:11< mattsc> cib0: it's a pretty long scenario now, yes.  But it's surrounded by much shorter ones.  :)
20140115 15:08:13< mattsc> I'll be back in ~30 min.  Will read the logs.
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20140115 15:42:00< cib0> Receiving objects:  10% (86938/794241), 376.47 MiB | 153.00 KiB/s
20140115 15:42:03< cib0> This is going to take a while..
20140115 15:42:46< cib0> Actually I'm going to abort and do it the next time I'm at uni
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20140115 16:38:04< irker160> wesnoth: Allefant wesnoth-old:master 92b02a656259 / data/tools/wesnoth/wmlparser2.py: [wmlparser2] Parse multi-line WML tags. http://git.io/HOnN4Q
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20140115 16:43:04< AI0867> elias: about the metadata, I have a local branch where I store that in the Nodes.
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20140115 16:58:15< elias> AI0867: great. means i don't have to rewrite it :)
20140115 16:58:24< elias> does it pass all tests?
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20140115 17:01:59< AI0867> elias: it just adds metadata
20140115 17:03:32< irker160> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master 1d3e75e038ad / data/tools/wesnoth/wmlparser2.py: Add location metadata to wmlparser2's nodes http://git.io/TgHYeQ
20140115 17:03:34< irker160> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master f9308f727da7 / data/tools/wesnoth/wmlparser2.py: Merge branch 'wmlparser_metadata' http://git.io/kgN5IQ
20140115 17:03:47< AI0867> I have some throwaway code that uses this, but it's not in any state to commit
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20140115 19:13:42< EliDupree_> [lua gui, 1.10.7] hmm... without making a new definition, is there a way I can make a text_box narrower (e.g. appropriate to entering a 3-digit number)? (vultraz, shadowm?)
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20140115 19:25:52< vultraz> I think so
20140115 19:26:43< vultraz> Can't remember, however
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20140115 21:00:13< mattsc> I assume it's a bug that [capture_village] gives different results in these two case?  http://pastebin.com/AhdmBWcK
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20140115 21:01:17< zookeeper> mattsc, yes
20140115 21:02:00< mattsc> Okay - it's coded in Lua, so I'll have a look to see whether I can fix it myself.
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20140115 21:21:07< mattsc> Oh, wow, apparently this is a bug with wesnoth.get_locations.  That's scary !!!
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20140115 21:26:15< zookeeper> :o
20140115 21:26:26< mattsc> Umm, actually, it's even worse than that ...
20140115 21:26:56< mattsc> It's SLFs in general apparently.  Could somebody try this and see what you get: http://pastebin.com/hmEEmtTX
20140115 21:27:25< mattsc> This gives me the right result in 1.11.7, but all maps locations in 1.11.8 and trunk  
20140115 21:28:05< mattsc> Uh, without the translation mark ...  :P
20140115 21:28:21< mattsc> Not that it matters for a test case ...
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20140115 21:40:13< mattsc> I'd call that a blocker bug ...
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20140115 21:45:01< zookeeper> agreed
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20140115 22:47:30< zookeeper> urgh. i wonder what could cause a huge 3-4s delay at the start of a player side side turn on 1.10. big map, lots of units, fog and shroud don't affect it though, and neither is it due to autosaves.
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20140115 23:01:08< zookeeper> well, i can tell it's due to the events (which are big and many), but there's hardly any turn events so it can't be because they're slow to execute.
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20140115 23:08:27< zookeeper> nevermind, it is one particular event which takes dreadfully long for some reason.
20140115 23:13:59< zookeeper> huh. it's just one single radius-based SLF which causes such a massive slowdown.
20140115 23:15:21< mattsc> zookeeper: in what version?
20140115 23:15:26< zookeeper> 1.10.7
20140115 23:15:49< mattsc> ah, okay, definitely unrelated to my SLF issue then
20140115 23:15:54< zookeeper> yeah
20140115 23:17:02< zookeeper> http://pastebin.com/e8zayYDB
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20140115 23:17:13< zookeeper> i guess they weren't kidding about radius= being kinda slow :J
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20140115 23:18:48< mattsc> apparently
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20140115 23:30:31< irker160> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master e621978e575a / data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/maps/08_Training_the_Ogres.map: EI: Updated S8's map http://git.io/aNWDyQ
20140115 23:31:03< zookeeper> bumbadadabum, i guess you haven't heard mattsc and me talking about that scenario :}
20140115 23:31:10< bumbadadabum> oh
20140115 23:31:15< bumbadadabum> I guess I haven't
20140115 23:31:26< bumbadadabum> I'm just doing all of them
20140115 23:31:31< zookeeper> no worries
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