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20140119 00:02:15< irker110> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 1f1ae1874978 / data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/ (scenarios/04_The_Siege_of_Barag_Gor.cfg utils/utils.cfg): SotBE S4: force AI to attack enemies 1 XP from leveling http://git.io/QiuQgQ
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20140119 00:04:28< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth-old#1511 (master - 7a1e639 : Alexander van Gessel): The build was fixed.
20140119 00:04:28< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/builds/17202122
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20140119 00:10:00< irker110> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 134fdae964d0 / data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/utils/utils.cfg: AI_FORCE_ATTACK_HIGH_XP_UNITS macro: fix event name http://git.io/1L29Rg
20140119 00:23:24< irker110> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master ec66b700e047 / src/terrain_filter.cpp: Fix SLF when x XOR y is specified (bug #21488) http://git.io/O81rZQ
20140119 00:23:26< irker110> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master ab965f03ce38 / data/scenario-test.cfg: Add testcase for bug #21488 http://git.io/1fvhlQ
20140119 00:23:28< irker110> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master ae71df2b3474 / data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/ (scenarios/04_The_Siege_of_Barag_Gor.cfg utils/utils.cfg): Merge branch 'master' of github.com:wesnoth/wesnoth-old http://git.io/5LGBzg
20140119 00:25:30< mattsc> AI0867: great!  :)
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20140119 00:33:50< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth-old#1512 (master - 1f1ae18 : mattsc): The build was fixed.
20140119 00:33:50< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/builds/17203050
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20140119 00:38:51< irker110> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master a2727d27a09d / data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/08_Silent_Forest.cfg: SotBE S8: remove unnecessary condition in SLF http://git.io/JNpTJg
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20140119 02:11:01< shadowm> AI0867: ec66b700e047 needs a changelog entry, and so does 7e9c5473bc77 .
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20140119 02:30:14< irker110> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master ce6a2e89fe38 / changelog: Update changelog http://git.io/p8QClQ
20140119 02:30:16< irker110> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master 7f61c6e90900 / changelog src/mouse_events.cpp: Don't draw paths to off-map hexes (bug #21351) http://git.io/io-0eA
20140119 02:30:18< irker110> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master 6d8c280f7c7e / data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/08_Silent_Forest.cfg: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:wesnoth/wesnoth-old http://git.io/4EXoTA
20140119 02:35:30< AI0867> wesbot: topic
20140119 02:35:31< wesbot> AI0867: Don't be impatient, wait until something changes...  *tsk*
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20140119 12:50:28< irker110> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth-old:master a5a451834b0f / changelog players_changelog: Updated changelogs. http://git.io/Bys6Bw
20140119 12:50:59< zookeeper> first impression of github for windows makes it seem rather decent
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20140119 13:18:23< AI0867> shikadibot: log 5463068caffb42df8eeb9a044479ef7fc379e622
20140119 13:18:24< shikadibot> AI0867: Revision 5463068caffb (fendrin) on Tue Dec 10 13:41:26 2013:
20140119 13:18:24< shikadibot> AI0867: Fix how the hotkey system handles default bindings.
20140119 13:18:24< shikadibot> AI0867:  
20140119 13:18:24< shikadibot> AI0867: Only hotkeys which are changed from the defaults are saved in the users
20140119 13:18:27< shikadibot> AI0867: (+7 discarded lines)
20140119 13:18:30< shikadibot> AI0867: Web interface URL: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/commit/5463068caffb
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20140119 13:42:53< timotei> zookeeper: Last time I used that I hate it cause it wouldn't let me update/pull until it itself detected upstream changes.
20140119 13:43:00< timotei> But maybe they fixed that in the meantime
20140119 13:47:30< zookeeper> timotei, well, when i press sync it at least does something for a while even if there are no changes, so i'd presume so
20140119 13:48:17< zookeeper> and never prevents me from pressing that button
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20140119 14:44:03-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 209 bugs, 342 feature requests, 28 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20140119 15:16:50< zookeeper> timotei, although it seems that leaving the app open for long makes it "stop working" somehow, asking me to restart it
20140119 15:17:01< zookeeper> no big deal i suppose
20140119 15:18:06< zookeeper> but what's the deal with compiling taking... forever? do we use a lot of some particularly slow to compile code or what?
20140119 15:19:46< zookeeper> i don't have experience of compiling more than one other c/c++ project, and it takes a _lot_ less time
20140119 15:20:51< zookeeper> (and obviously i believe it to be of somewhat similar'ish size than wesnoth)
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20140119 15:40:23< AI0867> zookeeper: we have almost 500k LOC, and it's not arranged very efficiently
20140119 15:40:43< AI0867> a lot of the files include most of the headers
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20140119 16:26:27< zookeeper> ok so i'm trying to compile with MSVC++2010, and the only remaining roadblock (that i can see) is fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'VCOMPD.lib'
20140119 16:27:07< zookeeper> i can't find any match for "VCOMPD" (case-insensitive) anywhere
20140119 16:32:23< zookeeper> ok, i managed that and now it's (back) to fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'libboost_bzip2-vc100-mt-gd-1_46_1.lib'
20140119 16:32:45< AI0867> okay, a bit of searching indicates VCOMPD might be the visual C++ OpenMP library or something like that
20140119 16:36:31< zookeeper> good grief, and now that i mess with the additional libraries or includes settings and re-compile, it starts to re-compile seemingly everything and now it'll take another hour? -.-
20140119 16:36:50< zookeeper> who comes up with these crap technologies
20140119 16:39:12< zookeeper> and i just noticed that i've been building unoptimized debug builds. so how long does building an optimized release build take, a week? D:
20140119 16:39:14< cib0> Someone in 1985
20140119 16:41:37< zookeeper> to me it seems like the most utterly dysfunctional part of software development is the managing of dependencies and build systems
20140119 16:42:32< zookeeper> unless you know everything about it, obviously. nothing's dysfunctional at that point :p
20140119 16:44:40< AI0867> zookeeper: MSVC doesn't really support partial compilation
20140119 16:44:47< AI0867> so yeah, it always recompiles everything
20140119 16:45:24< AI0867> I believe our official windows builds are cross-compiled on a linux system
20140119 16:46:35< cib0> zookeeper, correct. To be functional it'd require sane standardization, and good luck finding that in the FOSS world.
20140119 16:48:52< AI0867> you can use scons on any system ;)
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20140119 16:51:34< cib0> AI0867, I'm referring to stuff like some obscure perl package that gcc relies on, changing its API without warning, and thus breaking all gcc versions that haven't merged the main gcc repo in the last few months.
20140119 16:53:19< cib0> Sanity in libraries involves realizing that API changes will screw projects up, and thus they'd better only happen so rarely that a linux distribution can simply have a separate library package for each API version.
20140119 16:54:08< cib0> Well, there's also the option to static link everything. I think most java projects these days do that, simply ship their library version with the .jar. I guess that works.
20140119 16:54:22< AI0867> cib0: so use clang instead ;)
20140119 16:56:37< cib0> The llvm project itself is sane enough, sadly it's not yet industry standard. The thing I tried to compiled then was a gcc fork aimed at a new experimental CPU. No llvm backend exists.
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20140119 17:06:35< AI0867> a big problem with gcc is that it was intentionally designed in a monolithic way so commercial companies couldn't steal parts in case the GPL didn't hold up in court
20140119 17:07:23< AI0867> which is probably one of the reasons why apple ditched it in favor of llvm
20140119 17:09:35< timotei> zookeeper, AI0867: yeah VCOMPD is OpenMP for MSVC.
20140119 17:09:47< timotei> zookeeper: Aren't you using a prepackaged libs zip from sf.net?
20140119 17:09:56< timotei> I and annonymissimus use that.
20140119 17:10:03< timotei> Or at least ... 2-3 months ago in my case :)
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20140119 17:11:20< timotei> But MSVC supports partial compilatino (minimal rebuild in MSVC terms) but it doesn't always work as expected, and more importantly it collides with some other used settings, at least in Wesnoth's case IIRC.
20140119 17:12:31< timotei> AI0867: Steal parts? Can't you do it anyway when you have access to the source code?
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20140119 17:21:38< cib0> timotei, it's a lot less useful to steal parts when the part you're taking isn't designed to be used on its own
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20140119 17:52:38< zookeeper> timotei, yes, i do.
20140119 17:52:45< zookeeper> it's just not enough
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20140119 17:55:12< zookeeper> so VCOMPD.lib isn't there, and if i tell the linker to ignore it, i just get __You_must_link_with_Microsoft_OpenMP_library
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20140119 17:55:33< zookeeper> i guess i need to install some stupid c++ runtime library nonsense
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20140119 17:58:43< zookeeper> s/runtime/redistributable
20140119 18:01:30< zookeeper> ah, maybe i can just turn openmp off
20140119 18:01:31 * zookeeper tries
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20140119 18:38:58< zookeeper> ohh, it built.
20140119 18:39:07< zookeeper> only took about 35 minutes
20140119 18:40:33< zookeeper> how to get it to run seems to be another matter
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20140119 18:45:29< zookeeper> oh wow, it works.
20140119 18:45:42< zookeeper> the debug build is absolutely obscenely slow, but runs
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20140119 18:47:28< zookeeper> umm. how do i compile a release build? both Release and ReleaseDEBUG give me "Compilation with NDEBUG defined isn't supported, Wesnoth depends on asserts."
20140119 18:48:13< zookeeper> ah well, and i got an assert on scenario start anyway
20140119 18:49:28< AI0867> timotei: yes, but if things are written like the typical forge site (HTML and DB queries in the same function), then a clean rewrite is probably less effort
20140119 18:54:20< zookeeper> ok, maybe the past 4-5 hours were a huge waste after all. could anyone please upload a recent windows binary somewhere?
20140119 18:55:30< AI0867> I'd love to replicate frogatto's automated builds, but I'm utterly unfamiliar with the jenkins install that almost does that for us already
20140119 18:55:55< AI0867> (jenkins is almost-functional for wesnoth). frogatto uses something completely different
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20140119 19:56:05< timotei> AI0867: What is the problem?
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20140119 20:06:36< irker735> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master ed4fe91b44d3 / changelog data/ai/micro_ais/micro_ai_wml_tag.lua: Wolves MAI: add optional parameter attack_only_prey= http://git.io/0sDZVw
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20140119 20:34:35< irker735> wesnoth: Allefant wesnoth-old:master db98a2af1c1b / data/tools/ (unit_tree/html_output.py wmlunits): [wmlunits] Don't store translations which are the same. http://git.io/t2u7FQ
20140119 20:34:37< irker735> wesnoth: Allefant wesnoth-old:master 7a653b1c12e7 / data/tools/wmlunits: [wmlunits] Also take dependencies into account for second pass. http://git.io/Z91usg
20140119 20:34:39< irker735> wesnoth: Allefant wesnoth-old:master 754229ff2271 / data/tools/wmlunits: [wmlunit] fix help http://git.io/yXT4lg
20140119 20:47:28< AI0867> timotei: ?
20140119 20:48:08< timotei> AI0867: Regarding the jenkins and the automated builds
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20140119 20:51:55< AI0867> ah, well, we decided to set this up at FOSDEM2013, and someone did, for the most part, but the repository updating across VMs isn't finished, as well as some other things
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20140119 20:52:36< AI0867> I believe loonycyborg set it up
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20140119 22:04:52< mattsc> Other than "disable notifications", is there anything else in the preferences that affects whether notifications are shown, and which ones?
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20140119 22:31:20< shadowm> AI0867: Regarding #21450, are you absolutely sure it's commit 5463068caffb42df8eeb9a044479ef7fc379e622 ?
20140119 22:31:48< shadowm> The commit message doesn't say anything about changing game behavior.
20140119 22:32:55< shadowm> The diff doesn't seem related to me either.
20140119 22:34:29< AI0867> that's what I thought
20140119 22:34:46< AI0867> I can redo the last bit of the bisect, but nothing close to it looks suspicious either
20140119 22:35:37< shadowm> AI0867: I do believe that commit is related to wesnoth 1.11.7 and earlier being unable to read hotkeys configuration from 1.11.8 and later, though.
20140119 22:35:48< shadowm> So could that factor have affected your testing?
20140119 22:36:04< AI0867> ugh, maybe my clicking was broken
20140119 22:36:10< AI0867> that could be the case
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20140119 22:57:04< AI0867> shadowm: do you want to redo it or should I?
20140119 22:57:41< AI0867> and do you know at what point the hotkey breakage started, so I have a starting point?
20140119 22:59:17< shadowm> zookeeper: Is this intended to be valid WML? http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=566058#p566058
20140119 22:59:42< shadowm> AI0867: I don't know, unfortunately.
20140119 23:00:15< shadowm> And I'm kind of busy, so I'd rather not have to spend time doing bisecting with such a bothersome module.
20140119 23:00:30< shadowm> *for
20140119 23:01:00< zookeeper> shadowm, no
20140119 23:01:33< shadowm> zookeeper: Okay, because those should be #textdomain directives and textdomain names do not begin with a # character.
20140119 23:01:44< zookeeper> shadowm, yeah, good catch :p
20140119 23:02:12< zookeeper> fixed
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