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20140125 02:28:29< shadowm> mattsc: Do you know offhand whether the recruitment_save_gold aspect was already enabled by default in mainline before October 5th?
20140125 02:32:05< shadowm> It _seems_ from the commit logs it already was.
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20140125 02:49:47< mattsc> shadowm: no, not offhand, I'd have to look it up too.  The only thing I do know is that it was sometime during 1.11.6+dev.
20140125 02:52:43< mattsc> shadowm: It appears it was first enabled on Sep 23, changed once on Sep 25, changed again on Oct 4 - and then disabled three days ago.
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20140125 03:18:21< shadowm> mattsc: Okay, thanks.
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20140125 16:53:22< Ivanovic> trademark: have you already created your slides for your FOSDEM 2014 talk?
20140125 16:53:46< Ivanovic> if not and you want to use the same theme that I am using and that fabi might use (latex beamer based), just give me a ping and I can send you my presentation
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20140125 18:15:25< mordante> servus
20140125 18:16:25< mordante> Ivanovic, I also try to be early in Brussels, like to avoid traffic jams etc.
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20140125 19:36:26< Ivanovic> mordante: if everything goes as planned fabi_ and I will arrive at ULB around 15:00
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20140125 19:52:41< mordante> Ivanovic, ok good to know, probably then I'll also aim for that time
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20140125 21:08:09< mordante> I'm off night
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20140125 21:37:38< shadowm> fabi_: What's the reason you tend to leave tons of commented out code around every time you change something?
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20140125 21:42:49< shadowm> mattsc: Is there a counterpart for the AI_DEACTIVATE_SAVE_GOLD macro to use to enable the aspect now that it's not done by default?
20140125 21:43:00< shadowm> *to the
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20140125 21:51:24< mattsc> shadowm: no, there isn't, but we could create one.
20140125 21:52:56< mattsc> One question would be whether we make it a parameterless macro that sets things to the previous defaults, or whether it should be configurable.
20140125 21:55:29< shadowm> Why not have both? :p
20140125 21:57:41< mattsc> Sure ...  Suggestions for the names in that case?
20140125 21:58:04< mattsc> AI_ACTIVATE_SAVE_GOLD and AI_ACTIVATE_SAVE_GOLD_DEFAULT?
20140125 21:58:27< fabi_> mattsc: Hi
20140125 21:59:14< mattsc> hi fabi_ 
20140125 21:59:40< fabi_> mattsc: LoW7, the scenario with multiple leaders on a ai controlled side. The side only recruits one round (not necessarely the first, when the leaders start away from their keep) but no further.
20140125 22:00:07< shadowm> mattsc: Sure, that fits the naming scheme used for the macro for disabling the aspect.
20140125 22:00:10< fabi_> It still owns 1400+ gold.
20140125 22:00:20< mattsc> fabi_: in what version?
20140125 22:00:41< fabi_> current git head master 
20140125 22:00:53< fabi_> no
20140125 22:01:06< fabi_> I have not updated since a few days.
20140125 22:01:08< fabi_> let me check
20140125 22:01:34< fabi_> 301c028
20140125 22:03:28< shadowm> fabi_: Hi.
20140125 22:03:43< mattsc> Ugh, which one is that?  git log tells me it's ambiguous.  :(
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20140125 22:07:03< fabi_> mattsc: a66a80e
20140125 22:07:21< fabi_> mattsc: This one should be known to your branch as well.
20140125 22:07:35< shadowm> fabi_: What's the reason you tend to leave tons of commented out code around every time you change something?
20140125 22:08:36< mattsc> fabi_: Ah, yes, that's from 16 days ago?  I disabled gold saving by default 4 days ago, so things should be back to working order now.
20140125 22:09:12< fabi_> mattsc: Ah okay. I read about the gold saving feature, thought it could be the cause.
20140125 22:09:48< mattsc> It probably is/was.  If you still find the problem with a more recent build, ping me again please.
20140125 22:09:58< fabi_> mattsc: Did the feature not work? I mean in my example I recruited nothing, thus only recruiting a single keep for each enemy leader should have been enough to finish me off.
20140125 22:10:28< mattsc> fabi_: it did work, but there are some scenarios in which it is not appropriate.
20140125 22:10:45< mattsc> In fact, if you don't recruit, then not recruiting is what the AI is supposed to do.
20140125 22:10:59< mattsc> ... when gold saving is on.
20140125 22:11:39< fabi_> So gold saving is still available but only if the coder asks for it?
20140125 22:12:02< mattsc> fabi_: yes, exactly.  The feature is still there, just off by default.
20140125 22:12:07< fabi_> cool
20140125 22:12:34< fabi_> I am going to test one of the new ais this week end.
20140125 22:13:00< fabi_> If the result is pleasing me, it will stay in LoW for 1.12.
20140125 22:13:06 * shadowm prods fabi_ .
20140125 22:13:48< mattsc> Great.  Btw, the gold saving is just one of the new aspects of the new recruiting, it's really neat what you can do now without having to write lots of events.
20140125 22:13:50< fabi_> Which one is the one you called your current champion?
20140125 22:14:44< fabi_> mattsc: Well, one of the leader's ( a naga ) only recurits water serpents. (Still LoW 7) I like to change that.
20140125 22:15:12< mattsc> Well, as a generic AI, it's "Ron" (Experimental AI in mainline).  Fred beats Ron on Freelands most often, but is still pretty useless against a human player.
20140125 22:15:15< fabi_> Might be a good issue to have a look at the new recruiting thing.
20140125 22:15:40< mattsc> IF you want specialized behavior, then there are lots of Micro AIs...
20140125 22:15:42< fabi_> The enemy is mostly orcs, rushing in LoW.
20140125 22:16:38< mattsc> Okay, instructions are here:  http://wiki.wesnoth.org/AI_Recruitment
20140125 22:16:45< mattsc> And with that I need to head off for a little and let you talk to shadowm...  :)
20140125 22:18:38< fabi_> mattsc: bye
20140125 22:19:02< shadowm> fabi_: Hi.
20140125 22:24:14< shadowm> You know, ignoring me doesn't really solve anything.
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20140125 22:39:40< fabi_> hi Jetrel
20140125 22:40:05< Jetrel> hello
20140125 22:40:18< fabi_> Jetrel: http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=64218&mode=view
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20140125 22:40:59< Jetrel> Looks nice. :)
20140125 22:41:11< fabi_> Thanks :-)
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20140125 22:42:20< Turuk> hi fabi_ : Just wanted to give you a heads up, at higher resolutions the end turn button no longer centers
20140125 22:43:14< fabi_> Turuk: Hmmm, that is a good thing? I didn't notice that.
20140125 22:43:34< fabi_> How high is high resolution?
20140125 22:43:37< Turuk> fabi_: I would say not, it looks better centered as it now sort of awkwardly hugs the side frame :P
20140125 22:44:00< Turuk> I'm only on 1600x900, I'm not playing fullscreen
20140125 22:44:31< Turuk> fabi_: http://imagebin.org/288740
20140125 22:44:51< fabi_> Okay, I just checked, my working copy is doing fine. I just need a little bit more code polishing before the commit.
20140125 22:47:14< fabi_> "The image "some url thing" connot be displayed because it contains errors".
20140125 22:48:55< fabi_> But I guess you do not need to re-upload a new one. I can imagine what was wrong with the coding and what happened.
20140125 22:49:27< Turuk> fabi_: The link works for me….? I just clicked to open it
20140125 22:49:50< Turuk> http://imagebin.org/288741
20140125 22:49:56< fabi_> My Internet connection is sloppy.
20140125 22:51:04< fabi_> Turuk: It clearly was LordBob's fault. The button was drawn wrongly and not with enough passion resulting in this mess :-)
20140125 22:51:34< Turuk> Clearly, what else could have happened?
20140125 22:53:20< Turuk> :P
20140125 22:53:35< zookeeper> fabi_, hi
20140125 22:53:47< fabi_> zookeeper: hi
20140125 22:53:53< zookeeper> fabi_, why are you ignoring shadowm?
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20140125 22:56:14< fabi_> I am not in the mood for trash talk right now. There is a lot of work to do and a lot of bugs to be fixed. His complains will only slow me down and consume time. I will configure my client to not ignore him anymore when I have more time or when I need his knowledge again.
20140125 22:57:34< shadowm> This is not trash talk and ignoring a repository admin isn't exactly advisable.
20140125 22:58:02< shadowm> All I want to know is why there are so many changes generating commented-out code without a visible explanation.
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20140125 23:08:02< mattsc> AI0867: do you want to address this one?  I believe you fixed that.  https://gna.org/bugs/?21541
20140125 23:12:16< shadowm> wesbot: seen jamit
20140125 23:12:16< wesbot> shadowm: Queried user last spoke 7d 14h ago.  jamit is currently in this channel.
20140125 23:12:28< shadowm> Oh hi jamit, didn't notice you were here.
20140125 23:12:49< shadowm> jamit: Have you taken a look at the code speculation part of https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?21541 yet?
20140125 23:13:43< jamit> shadowm: I looked at it briefly.
20140125 23:14:17< jamit> I'm not sure if that fixes the problem or only hides a symptom.
20140125 23:15:00< mattsc> shadowm, jamit: maybe I am missing or confusing something, but I thought that this was fixed - and not by fixing it here.
20140125 23:15:12< shadowm> I tried reproducing it but didn't succeed.
20140125 23:15:49< shadowm> mattsc: So yeah, that might be why I couldn't reproduce it. (I am using latest master.)
20140125 23:15:59< jamit> mattsc: Tough to tell if the bug is new or old, with so little information about the crash itself.
20140125 23:16:27< mattsc> I think this is the attack_weight=0 bug thingy ...
20140125 23:16:44< jamit> When was that fixed?
20140125 23:16:58< shadowm> Ah, I can reproduce it with a 1.11.7 build, but not 1.11.8 or later.
20140125 23:17:37< shadowm> Should I get a backtrace from 1.11.7 just in case?
20140125 23:18:26< jamit> Heh. That's why one should never trust anything in a bug report. :) From the report: "but the code is unchanged in 1.11.8 and svn trunk as of today" -- apparently someone was not looking at the right part of the code.
20140125 23:18:53< mattsc> jamit: that's where your "fixing the symptoms" is correct  :)
20140125 23:18:56< shadowm> "svn trunk"...?
20140125 23:19:35< jamit> That's what badaxe wrote. Some people are slow to change terminology. :)
20140125 23:20:31< mattsc> jamit: btw, I'm looking where/when it was fixed, but apparently I am using the wrong search terms so far.
20140125 23:20:51< jamit> If anyone has doubts about it being the attack_weight=0 bug, you can assign the bug to me, and I'll look at it before 1.12.
20140125 23:21:26< mattsc> Ah, no I didn't, I just need to display fixed bugs as well ...  :P
20140125 23:21:30< mattsc> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?21402
20140125 23:21:36< shadowm> Ah, one of the units in question uses attack_weight=0 indeed.
20140125 23:21:49< shadowm> No wait, no.
20140125 23:22:15< shadowm> No wait, yes. It's a weapon special and then some parser trick to set attack_weight=0 using continuation tags.
20140125 23:22:41< mattsc> shadowm: well, I don't know that this is causing this bug for sure of course, since there isn't enough information.  But in that case we did have exactly that behavior that only one of attacker/defender_stats was defined.
20140125 23:23:27< shadowm> I can try to reproduce it with and without that commit.
20140125 23:23:39< mattsc> sounds good
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20140125 23:31:41< shadowm> Hm, I can't reproduce it right before the commit in question.
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