--- Log opened Sun Jan 26 00:00:47 2014
20140126 00:13:59< shadowm>  Here's the backtrace with 1.11.7, for whom it may interest: http://pastebin.com/Fcm0i5VA
20140126 00:17:17< mattsc> shadowm: did you try whether setting attack_weight=0.0001 fixes it in 1.11.7?
20140126 00:18:11< mattsc> That should be the easiest way to find out whether it's the same thing.
20140126 00:19:54< shadowm> Yes, it does.
20140126 00:20:07< shadowm> But as I said, it seems unrelated to commit 3a2c24d2d087770f158d2aafd3411af050221c5c .
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20140126 00:23:34< mattsc> shadowm: yeah, that's because that's not the right commit.  Sorry for that
20140126 00:23:36< mattsc> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=31348&p=562825&hilit=attack_weight#p564028
20140126 00:24:32< mattsc> It was one of AI0867's though, I remembered that part correctly at least  :P
20140126 00:25:30< shadowm> How come nobody ever reported this for AtS? :p (Just a rhetorical question, no need to answer.)
20140126 00:26:02< mattsc> People don't actually play the campaign.  They just claim they like it.  ;)
20140126 00:27:41< shadowm> Okay, so the bug can be closed as Fixed then?
20140126 00:34:30< mattsc> I'd think so.
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20140126 01:29:29< shadowm> AI0867: Why did you reopen bug #21541?
20140126 01:54:47< AI0867> I didn't intend to
20140126 01:55:06< AI0867> I made the same changes as you did, at roughly the same time, except I didn't close the bug
20140126 01:55:21< AI0867> when I hit submit, gna overwrote your changes to the bug's state
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20140126 02:18:44< AI0867> Ivanovic: your phone number has more digits now
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20140126 02:45:27< mattsc> shadowm: for the gold saving macro, do you want to keep the syntax like it is currently for deactivating:  http://wiki.wesnoth.org/AI_Recruitment#Example
20140126 02:45:57< mattsc> or should we change them both so that it's simply the macro going into [side][ai] or even [side] ?
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20140126 02:47:06< shadowm> Having a more direct macro to include within the [ai] block would be more convenient IMO.
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20140126 02:48:12< mattsc> My opinion as well.  We should use a different name then though (and keep the old one), so as to not break backwards compatibility.  Suggestions?
20140126 02:49:10< shadowm> You are asking the author of a campaign-defined WML tag named [store_unit_can_move_on_current_terrain].
20140126 02:49:48< mattsc> Well, I would suggest a macro name different from that.  :P
20140126 02:50:15< mattsc> How about AI_SAVE_GOLD and AI_SAVE_GOLD_DEFAULT ?
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20140126 02:52:06< irker488> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 0742f1c970ac / SConstruct: scons: Pass -Qunused-arguments to clang to skip warnings about unused -I paths http://git.io/0354Aw
20140126 02:52:09< irker488> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 047834e0cf5b / src/lua/SConscript: scons: Pass -Wno-parentheses-equality to clang for src/lua/ library objects http://git.io/GFeWuQ
20140126 02:53:28< shadowm> ^^ I can now build Wesnoth using scons and clang 3.3 on Debian testing in strict mode.
20140126 02:54:29< shadowm> Not sure for how long I'll stick to this before I stumble upon one of those bugs (reported or otherwise) that are caused by compiler-specific behavior and end up reverting to gcc for testing and forgetting about it forever.
20140126 02:55:01< shadowm> mattsc: Not sure. What existing precedent is there for any such direct aspect-based macros?
20140126 02:56:30< mattsc> AI_NO_SCOUTS
20140126 02:57:32< shadowm> Then the names you suggest should work nicely, I think.
20140126 02:58:54< mattsc> That seems to be the only one currently in mainline.  Besides that, the generic form is "AI_ASPECT", which is slightly different.
20140126 02:59:19< mattsc> Yeah, so I'll use those names then, I think.
20140126 03:00:28< shadowm> Is there a point to including {ai/aliases/stable_singleplayer.cfg} prior to the first [ai] block in a [side] definition nowadays? (did I ask this question before or...?)
20140126 03:00:41< shadowm> When using the aspect-based syntax.
20140126 03:02:20< mattsc> No - you only need that when you define a Lua engine - which itself is not necessary any more if you use external candidate actions.
20140126 03:05:34< shadowm> I understood some of those words.
20140126 03:05:57< shadowm> Well, I do use Lua in a couple of scenarios...
20140126 03:06:20< mattsc> Do you define Lua AI engines in those?
20140126 03:07:49< shadowm> Like this: http://pastebin.com/SyQsuiy2
20140126 03:08:08< shadowm> I got the code from you, in fact.
20140126 03:08:38< mattsc> Right - that is the only piece that still has it left.  And in this case, you do need it AFAIK
20140126 03:09:07< shadowm> What happens if it's not specified?
20140126 03:09:27< mattsc> Then all the normal AI actions will be gone.
20140126 03:09:56< mattsc> By contrast, check out this:  https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/blob/master/data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/06_Black_Flag.cfg#L51
20140126 03:10:55< shadowm> The location attribute?
20140126 03:11:10< mattsc> That one uses a so-called external CA  (introduced, mostly, by nephro quite a long time ago; and finished by me a few months ago) which is done by specifying a file in the location= key
20140126 03:11:11< mattsc> yes
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20140126 03:11:45< mattsc> Here, the whole engine definition and everything that goes along with it is not needed
20140126 03:12:19< mattsc> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Luaai_new_syntax
20140126 03:13:32< shadowm> And of course all this is 1.11.x-specific, right?
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20140126 03:16:43< mattsc> shadowm: yes.  This is the commit that finally made them work: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/commit/5a687734310111a3695a82dbdcb0e18764234ca1
20140126 03:16:50< mattsc> So that's ...
20140126 03:16:58< shadowm> 1.11.7.
20140126 03:17:04< mattsc> yes
20140126 03:17:11< shadowm> GitHub says so, at least.
20140126 03:17:47< mattsc> Right - I had to check whether that meant it was already in 1.11.7 - or it was introduced in between 1.11.7 and 1.11.8.  It's the former
20140126 03:25:17< mattsc> shadowm: I haven't tested this yet and don't have time for that right now, but here's a suggestion: http://pastebin.com/w4i7GpwZ
20140126 03:25:24< mattsc> My question about it is this:
20140126 03:26:27< mattsc> I personally would not make all of the possible keys parameters to the macro.  People who want to do that should just use the full syntax, but begin= and end= make sense to me for easy availability like that.
20140126 03:26:43< mattsc> I guess that's a statement, not a question.  Agreed>
20140126 03:26:45< mattsc> ?
20140126 03:27:31< shadowm> Well, I haven't read on the aspect's configuration details yet. :(
20140126 03:28:02< shadowm> The only parameter that seemed immediately relevant to me during testing was the initial turn.
20140126 03:29:14< mattsc> Hmm, yeah, that one should probably be added.  But begin and end are pretty important too.  The other option would be only to provide the version with the default values.
20140126 03:29:46< shadowm> But I do agree that if people want more specific configuration they should use the expanded form. That really goes for everything that is done through WML, not just AI configuration.
20140126 03:29:52< mattsc> I don't know, I could convince myself either way.  I'll have to be afk for a while again now though.
20140126 03:30:50< mattsc> ^ That last line was type before I saw what you had written.
20140126 03:31:12< shadowm> For example, the MOVE_UNIT macro doesn't expose the full potential of the [move_unit] WML tag, but it's extremely convenient for the specific general thing it's intended to do.
20140126 03:31:52< mattsc> Right.  Maybe 'AI_SAVE_GOLD ACTIVE BEGIN END' and 'AI_SAVE_GOLD_DEFAULT' make the most sense ...
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20140126 03:33:34< shadowm> MODIFY_UNIT similarly only allows setting one attribute at a time, and for anything fancier people are expected to use the same technique implemented by MODIFY_UNIT in its expanded form. (Or [modify_unit], but MODIFY_UNIT predates it.)
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20140126 04:29:21< irker488> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 1f9389965271 / changelog data/core/macros/ai.cfg: New macros AI_SAVE_GOLD and AI_SAVE_GOLD_DEFAULT http://git.io/834Tqw
20140126 04:29:44< mattsc> shadowm: ^
20140126 04:33:22< shadowm> Okay, thanks.
20140126 04:33:37< mattsc> I didn't even forget the changelog this time  :P
20140126 04:34:59< irker488> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 4559bacd6169 / data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/01_End_of_Peace.cfg: SotBE S1: use new macro AI_SAVE_GOLD_DEFAULT http://git.io/gaXAog
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20140126 07:47:01< Ivanovic> AI0867: yeah, phone numbers are getting longer in germany...
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20140126 10:25:00< mordante> servus
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20140126 11:33:31< trademark> mordante, hi
20140126 11:44:12< mordante> i trademark 
20140126 11:44:14< mordante> hi*
20140126 11:44:29< mordante> trademark, finished your presentation?
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20140126 12:14:35< trademark> mordante, no, I have a sketch but I need to code a real example that I'll present... Through, I have the next week to do so. I'm more afraid of my English ;-)
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20140126 12:29:43< mordante> good luck with the further preparations
20140126 12:39:47< fabi_> mordante: hi
20140126 12:40:02< mordante> hi fabi_ 
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20140126 13:10:14< lipkab> What happened to the feature freeze plans? Are we still not ready?
20140126 13:10:44< mordante> no idea, but I assume it will be discussed at the FOSDEM next week
20140126 13:12:13< lipkab> Oh, hmm, okay.
20140126 13:13:24< lipkab> Although IIRC we've reached a consensus about entering the freeze over a month ago.
20140126 13:14:30< mordante> IIRC it was delayed and it's no longer mentioned in the channel topic
20140126 13:15:14< shadowm> Ivanovic said that 1.11.8 wouldn't be the start of the feature freeze but he didn't say anything more specific than that.
20140126 13:16:26< shadowm> And frankly I'd prefer if things settled in the UI front before the freeze for another release first.
20140126 13:18:34< shadowm> *settled down
20140126 13:22:42< lipkab> I assume you don't mean that you'd prefer to wait until the unitbox theme is flehsed out...
20140126 13:23:58< shadowm> Last time I checked, that was a goal for 1.14, not 1.12.
20140126 13:24:51< irker488> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master a2b858914322 / / (57 files in 17 dirs): Adds -Wextra-semi to pedantic compilation. http://git.io/7J7V7g
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20140126 14:01:46< mordante> I'm off bye
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20140126 14:30:54< shadowm> I'm extracting resources/ into a separate repository.
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20140126 14:33:37< shadowm> Well, I already did that actually. What I'm really doing right now is trying to upload 171 MiB.
20140126 14:34:34< fabi_> hi mattsc
20140126 14:34:58< shadowm> I really should do this from baldras but I'm too lazy to set up a temporary SSH key and stuff...
20140126 14:35:01< fabi_> mattsc: I learned that the weight=0 bug is not really fixed. 
20140126 14:39:08< shadowm> ... why is my email shown in the github organization profile?
20140126 14:39:37< shadowm> Removed.
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20140126 14:41:04< mattsc> fabi_: how so?
20140126 14:42:15< fabi_> mattsc: Not? Then I did not understand what was spoken.
20140126 14:42:59< fabi_> Fine. One thing less to think about.
20140126 14:44:28< mattsc> fabi_: umm, so now I am confused.  I think I misunderstood your first sentence.  :)
20140126 14:44:52< mattsc> No, the bug is fixed (unless you found something else)
20140126 14:45:08< fabi_> Okay :-)
20140126 14:46:50< mattsc> Somebody had found the crash in 1.11.7, identified the place in the code where it crashes, seen that that part of the code hadn't been change in 1.11.8 and thought that thus it wasn't fixed yet.
20140126 14:47:37< mattsc> Good effort, but he'd missed that that was just the downstream problem and that the fixed had indeed done for 1.11.8
20140126 14:50:07< mattsc> *...fix had indeed be done ...   :P
20140126 14:55:57< mattsc> Has anybody noticed previously that the AI controller in SotBE S3 (Toward the Mountains of Haag) has apparently never worked?
20140126 14:56:27< mattsc> Turuk found that yesterday and I've confirmed it in 1.9, 1.10 and 1.11 ...
20140126 14:57:54< mattsc> Thing is that the AI controller doesn't work for sides without a unit with canrecruit=yes.  I'm going to try to fix that.  Most of it seems pretty simple, there's just one bit that will take a bit of testing.
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20140126 15:10:05< shadowm> > Writing objects: 100% (1929/1929), 170.01 MiB | 87.00 KiB/s, done.
20140126 15:10:09< shadowm> \o/
20140126 15:10:46< mattsc> woot
20140126 15:15:45< mattsc> Uh, even with a leader who can recruit, it looks like not everything is working as intended (with ai_controller)
20140126 15:34:26< zookeeper> mattsc, what do you mean by AI controller not working?
20140126 15:35:49< mattsc> zookeeper: well, for one, variable ally_side is not set.  Which means nothing is going to be set for the side.
20140126 15:36:05< zookeeper> oh right, the menu item
20140126 15:36:13< zookeeper> i thought you meant something else
20140126 15:36:42< mattsc> Oh, yes, sorry.  I didn't say that.  I mean the right-click menu item to control allied AI behavior.
20140126 15:38:23< zookeeper> yeah i don't recla
20140126 15:38:33< zookeeper> yeah i don't recall if i've known that it doesn't work there
20140126 15:39:41< mattsc> I didn't, even after all the time I've spent on that scenario recently.  But then, I never use that option.
20140126 15:41:02< zookeeper> if i had to choose now, i'd say that it shouldn't be available in that scenario
20140126 15:41:26< mattsc> Playing with the code a bit over the last half hour, it appears to have a number of problems.  I don't know whether they were in it originally or are things that used to work in 1.9 and don't any more in 1.11.  I think it's a mix of the two.
20140126 15:42:23< mattsc> zookeeper: sure, that's one option (esp. since I added control Grüü specifically), but that doesn't mean the ai_controller code shouldn't be fixed for other scenarios.
20140126 15:42:37< zookeeper> yes
20140126 15:43:01< mattsc> I'm wondering if I should start a forum post for people to report problems with it.
20140126 15:43:32< mattsc> My guess is most people are not using it because it doesn't work reliably.  (I've already fixed at least one other serious problem with it.)
20140126 15:44:01< zookeeper> i know that problems with it are detailed somewhere in the depths of my irc logs, but... urgh
20140126 15:44:59< mattsc> Did you write that code?
20140126 15:45:06< zookeeper> yeah, it's mine
20140126 15:45:37< mattsc> Cool.  It does seem quite useful overall and I think most bits are working, but there are some things that don't quite seem to do (any more?) what they meant to be doing.
20140126 15:45:46< mattsc> *were meant
20140126 15:46:23-!- mode/#wesnoth-dev [+o shadowm] by ChanServ
20140126 15:46:28< mattsc> For example, the original settings of the side get saved in a variable - but then those setting never get used for anything.
20140126 15:46:37-!- mode/#wesnoth-dev [+qz irker*!*@*] by shadowm
20140126 15:46:42< mattsc> I assume they were meant to be reapplied when the instructions to the AI are cleared?
20140126 15:47:10-!- mode/#wesnoth-dev [-qzo irker*!*@* shadowm] by shadowm
20140126 15:47:21< zookeeper> yes
20140126 15:47:43< mattsc> zookeeper: so do you want to take a stab at it if I tell you the problems I am seeing?  :)
20140126 15:48:13< zookeeper> i take it that you'd prefer if you didn't have to? :p
20140126 15:48:46< mattsc> No, I'm fine with doing it.  But it's your code, I don't want to step on your toes...
20140126 15:48:55< irker488> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle resources:master 3743f8404aee / gettext.wesnoth.org/public_html/wesnoth-gettext/westats/stats/.gitignore: Remove spurious directory tree that only contains a .gitignore file http://git.io/c6aSXg
20140126 15:49:15< mattsc> Also, I _should_ really move on with rebalancing SotBE, but that's so much more tedious  :P
20140126 15:49:22< zookeeper> don't worry about that, i certainly don't mind
20140126 15:50:21< mattsc> Okay, well, I'll have a look.  For reference, the problems I have found so far (I think, no detailed testing yet) are:
20140126 15:50:32< irker488> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master c90e3e43c08a / resources/ (296 files in 48 dirs): resources: Delete tree, it's now split to a different repository http://git.io/eXdLrQ
20140126 15:50:58< zookeeper> i gotta run for a while, but if you have any questions about it then ask away
20140126 15:51:06< mattsc> Doesn't work when side has no leader; original side settings don't get restored when clearing instructions; original AI settings don't get stored
20140126 15:51:22< mattsc> zookeeper: same here, actually.  Talk to you later.
20140126 16:03:52< irker488> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:1.10 c065707a7652 / resources/ (251 files in 32 dirs): resources: Delete tree, it's now split to a different repository http://git.io/ZpGSzw
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20140126 16:27:49< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth-old#1542 (1.10 - c065707 : Ignacio R. Morelle): The build is still failing.
20140126 16:27:49< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/builds/17649608
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