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20140105 20:23:26< Gekko> About this "strong AI" in 1.11.7, supposedly it should be recruiting better
20140105 20:23:30< Gekko> I read it is "scenario based"
20140105 20:23:43< Gekko> In our custom map the AI hired only skeletons and was crushed :|
20140105 20:24:14< Gekko> How does it work?
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20140105 20:27:20< fendrin> Gekko: Hello, mattsc is the one who knows best about that.
20140105 20:27:35< Gekko> Right, I could dive in the code too but -effort-
20140105 20:27:56< Gekko> We also saw a bug with the stats screen, but that was already reported and fixed
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20140105 21:26:41< mattsc> Gekko: well, there are at least two people who know much more about this than I, but neither of them is around at the moment
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20140105 21:27:12< mattsc> Gekko: Just to find out what you know, I assume you have seen this?  http://wiki.wesnoth.org/AI_Recruitment#Making_recruitment_strong
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20140105 21:29:50< mattsc> Anyways, the "strong" recruiting is based on flix running tests of the AI against each other with different settings for the recruitment parameters, so it needs to be taken with care for playing against human players.
20140105 21:30:30< mattsc> Also, the same setting probably work better from some factions than others.  I do remember flix saying that the strong recruiting prefers to recruit mostly one unit type.
20140105 21:30:35< Gekko> Ah, so strong AI is simply slightly different recruitment constants.
20140105 21:30:43< Gekko> Yeah
20140105 21:30:47< mattsc> And at that point, I've pretty much said what I know about it ...  :P
20140105 21:30:47< Gekko> This was pretty much one unit type.
20140105 21:31:08< mattsc> Yes, it really only affects the recruiting parameters, everything else is exactly the same.
20140105 21:31:18< Gekko> Okay, thanks!
20140105 21:31:25< mattsc> If you want a somewhat different AI, you can try the "Experimental AI"
20140105 21:31:37< Gekko> I think we played with that earlier in some other version
20140105 21:31:45< Gekko> Didn't see that much difference in outcome.
20140105 21:32:04< mattsc> Also, we have another MP AI in the making that is quite a bit different, but it's only available in an add-on so far because it really still has some major problems.
20140105 21:32:10< Gekko> But if this strong AI stops gryffon spam then it's already better
20140105 21:34:03< Gekko> In this case it happened, by random faction, that 3 of the AI were undead and they all went for skeleton spam.
20140105 21:34:20< Gekko> At least it was a fair fight :P
20140105 21:35:07< mattsc> I see.  :)  You'd really have to ask flix if that's intended behavior, but unfortunately he hasn't been around in quite some time (really busy with his studies, I think)
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20140105 21:36:23< Gekko> Not sure if there's anything that the code already does for it, but humans generally choose their units based on the opponent faction.
20140105 21:36:49< Gekko> ie. human wouldn't go for skeletons if fighting northerners with cheap impact units
20140105 21:39:11< mattsc> I believe that flix' recruitment code does that as well.  I know for sure that the ExpAI recruiting does.
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