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20140207 00:29:53< AI0867> mattsc: the commit you linked to was about the preview pane in the recall dialog
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20140207 04:32:28< mattsc> Crab_: Hi!  Long time no see.
20140207 04:41:04< Crab_> mattsc: hello
20140207 04:44:25< mattsc> Crab_: I assume you saw my message to the ML concerning GSoC?
20140207 04:44:55< mattsc> I'll be gone so much that it just wouldn't be fair to say that I'd be the main mentor for a project, but I'd be happy to help out.
20140207 04:45:32< mattsc> Well, that and AI projects often involve some hardcore C++, for which I am not the right person anyway.  :P
20140207 04:46:14< vultraz_old> If someone could also tell me what the resource gathering proposal entails
20140207 04:46:54< mattsc> vultraz_old: I cannot know  (as in, I don't know)
20140207 04:47:10< mattsc> ugh, scratch that first 'know'
20140207 04:47:15< vultraz_old> heh.
20140207 04:47:30< vultraz_old> I replied to the mail a few days ago, still no reply :/
20140207 04:47:31< Crab_> mattsc: yes, I have seen it - this year, I'm a similar position due to the (usual amount of free time)
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20140207 05:38:43< irker767> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 9b0b8eec52cc / changelog players_changelog: Fix various changelog formatting issues http://git.io/aG2JzQ
20140207 05:41:11< shadowm> Ivanovic, Soliton, Turuk (who isn't here), lipkab, zookeeper: I'd like to start a new add-ons server instance for 1.12 this time after 1.11.9 is released, so it's used for beta 1 (1.11.10) onwards. Opinions?
20140207 05:42:39< shadowm> Pros: Less incompatible/outdated/unmaintained content lingering around from around the time 1.10.0 and 1.11.0 were first released (2012!).
20140207 05:43:05< shadowm> Cons: Uh, another port number to allocate, I guess.
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20140207 06:55:03< Sapien-X99> hi, Ivanovic. I was looking at some of the projects proposed for GSOC
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20140207 06:55:47< Sapien-X99> and I was surprised that some of the BWH and/or long-standing feature requests aren't put forward for it
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20140207 06:57:26< Sapien-X99> for example, the story log idea (ability to somehow go back to previously dismissed [message]s)
20140207 06:58:42< Sapien-X99> there was also a good one in the user forum recently about Now Playing. although the GUI could be expanded a bit so that is a bigger project
20140207 07:00:09< Sapien-X99> e.g. click a music icon and out pops the now playing, w/ shortcut to volume and mute button so you don't need to go in preferences
20140207 07:00:40< Sapien-X99> just throwing some thoughts out there
20140207 07:01:35< shadowm> That all sounds like stuff that could be mentioned in the mailing list.
20140207 07:02:26< Sapien-X99> yeah, I haven't paid much attention to the ML since they made it clear they don't care about hotmail
20140207 07:02:44< shadowm> Oh, that.
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20140207 07:04:18< shadowm> Hm, I need to go and take a look at the changes I made to my copy of the SoC ideas page to reconcile them against the official page.
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20140207 07:04:59< shadowm> Although it seems I didn't get much farther than markup fixes...
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20140207 07:19:58< Sapien-X99> have fun, cya later
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20140207 08:00:35< zookeeper> shadowm, sounds good to me
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20140207 12:59:09< fendrin> Ivanovic: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=39986
20140207 12:59:15< fendrin> Jetrel_: ^
20140207 12:59:56< Jetrel_> could check in the umc-dev repo or whatever it is - shadowm would know more about it than I.
20140207 13:00:15< Jetrel_> If there's nothing there, then I'm out of options other than the stuff in the repo.
20140207 13:08:36< Soliton> shadowm: go for it.
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20140207 14:02:22< Elvish_Hunter> Hi all
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20140207 14:23:59< fendrin> hi Elvish_Hunter
20140207 14:24:44< Elvish_Hunter> Hi fendrin!
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20140207 14:52:36< fendrin> hi mattsc
20140207 14:53:37< mattsc> hi fendrin 
20140207 15:12:35< vultraz_old> hey all
20140207 15:18:02< Elvish_Hunter> shadowm: regarding the new add-ons server instance for 1.12...
20140207 15:19:27< Elvish_Hunter> ... do you plan to shut down the 1.11.x server and delete its content? I hope that at least its content remains available, like it happens for old stable servers.
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20140207 15:44:54< fendrin> hi vultraz_old
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20140207 16:10:44< Ivanovic> fendrin: you are probably best suited to answer the question from vultraz_old
20140207 16:10:57< Ivanovic> the one about the resource task for gsoc
20140207 16:16:01< fendrin> Ivanovic: Were can I read about his questions?
20140207 16:16:11< Ivanovic> irclog.wesnoth.org
20140207 16:16:28< Ivanovic> [08:08:29] <vultraz_old> [05:46:14] If someone could also tell me what the resource gathering proposal entails
20140207 16:16:44< fendrin> Ah yes
20140207 16:16:51< fendrin> vultraz_old: Around?
20140207 16:21:28< vultraz_old> fendrin: yes
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20140207 16:30:05< fendrin> vultraz_old: okay, the idea was born in a chat at #wesnoth-umc-dev with you and zerovirus, do you remember?
20140207 16:30:33< vultraz_old> Yes
20140207 16:31:27< fendrin> So the idea is to give the umc designer the tools to define arbitrary extra resources, together with terrains/buildings and units to mine them.
20140207 16:32:31< Ivanovic> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Information_for_Googleeveryone: please help me update this wiki page: 
20140207 16:32:53< Ivanovic> everyone: please help me update this wiki page: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Information_for_Google
20140207 16:32:58< Ivanovic> so, now it is correct
20140207 16:33:49< zookeeper> UMC designers have the tools for that
20140207 16:33:57< Ivanovic> AI0867, boucman_work, Coffee_irc, elias, fendrin, noy, mordante, trademark, thunderstruck, every one else interested in gsoc: ^
20140207 16:34:05< boucman_work> fine here
20140207 16:34:18< Ivanovic> i marked the text parts which need work in bold with a todo
20140207 16:34:53< vultraz_old> fendrin: to...give UMC the tools to be more like Starcraft?
20140207 16:36:07< fendrin> vultraz_old: Not especially starcraft, more in the line zerovirus suggested it. 
20140207 16:36:33< vultraz_old> I'm not sure such a feature is necessary
20140207 16:37:42< zookeeper> of course it's not necessary. UMC authors have been doing resource mechanics without that just fine since forever.
20140207 16:38:00< vultraz_old> ^
20140207 16:38:40< zookeeper> if you want to make it easier and prettier to do so, then implement features which help with that _and_ have some general purpose uses as well.
20140207 16:38:46< vultraz_old> If you want more mechanics, make a task for reintroducing ranged units, or some sort. I remember you ( fendrin ) already mentioned an interest in bringing them back.
20140207 16:38:55< vultraz_old> also what zookeeper said
20140207 16:40:02< Coffee_irc> fendrin: I think there already is an era where you chop down wood, mine stone etc. from one of the other devs
20140207 16:40:26< zookeeper> don't implement "support for troop transports" or "support for building mines", implement things like "display a value of a variable in a theme item"
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20140207 16:41:47< Coffee_irc> fendrin: possibly Gambit's GabCiv era
20140207 16:41:48< zookeeper> (...which apparently can now be done via lua, but just as an example)
20140207 16:43:12< vultraz_old> fendrin: and what Coffee_irc said. GambCiv is basically everything you're talking about
20140207 16:43:52< Ivanovic> i am off for the evening
20140207 16:44:09< Ivanovic> please folks, edit the wiki page and write ideas or review last years which were not done or done only partly
20140207 16:44:12< Ivanovic> thanks
20140207 16:44:16< happygrue> I updated myself here: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_People_to_bug_on_IRC#People_to_bug_on_IRC
20140207 16:44:20< happygrue> probably a few others need it too
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20140207 16:45:14< fendrin> Okay, I drop the idea and won't mentor this time.
20140207 16:45:19< zookeeper> yeah, and about half removed from the list :p
20140207 16:45:48< happygrue> yeah, but I'm not sure exactly which names
20140207 16:46:23< Ivanovic> who does not want to be on the people list should just remove themselves from it...
20140207 16:46:42< zookeeper> i think at least dave, DK, esr, yogi, gabba are all out?
20140207 16:46:55< zookeeper> and myth and rhuvaen
20140207 16:49:42< zookeeper> although it'd be better to move them into a separate "inactive people" list instead of removing, i guess
20140207 16:51:38< fendrin> Ivanovic: Where is the list to remove myself as Mentor?
20140207 16:59:36< zookeeper> btw, i'm doing the inactive people move right now
20140207 16:59:52< zookeeper> i doubt anyone minds that
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20140207 17:09:47< vultraz_old> I doubt I'm useful for much, unless you need GUI lua help.
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20140207 17:17:46< zookeeper> ok, edit done. if someone doesn't want to be on the inactive list, remove yourself :p
20140207 17:19:06< zookeeper> i wasn't sure enough where gabba, ilor and/or grzywacz should be so i didn't touch them
20140207 17:19:43< noy> I'd remove gabba and ilor
20140207 17:19:55< noy> grzywacz is probably on the bubble
20140207 17:20:05< noy> gabba would probably like to help but can'
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20140207 17:27:39< mattsc> Okay, now what???  Why can't I move on to the next scenario any more after finishing?
20140207 17:28:25< mattsc> Tried with two scenarios in HttT (Elves Besieged and Crossroads) and one in SotBE.  This is with trunk compiled yesterday.
20140207 17:28:27< zookeeper> a question for the philosophers
20140207 17:29:01< mattsc> Sigh ...
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20140207 17:30:26< mattsc> If somebody has an up to date compiled version, could you check whether it works for you?
20140207 17:38:58< fendrin> mattsc: How can I reproduce?
20140207 17:39:47< Coffee_irc> mattsc: I have the same problem
20140207 17:40:36< Coffee_irc> I just ran through the first scenario of HttT and the "end scenario" button gets enabled and quickly becomes greyed out
20140207 17:41:51< vultraz_old> didn;t this happen before?
20140207 17:43:36< fendrin> vultraz_old: Yes, the end turn button / next scenario was broken before.
20140207 17:44:15< mattsc> Coffee_irc: yes, that's exactly what happens to me.  And I made sure to test that it does not only happen in victory_when_enemies_defeated scenarios.
20140207 17:44:39< mattsc> fendrin: start HttT first scenario in debug mode, give Konrad 99 MP, and move him to the signpost.
20140207 17:45:03< Coffee_irc> mattsc: well, good luck with it, I need some sleep here ;)
20140207 17:45:37< mattsc> Coffee_irc: thanks.  I'll just finish the scenario in 1.11.8 and move on.  ;)  Good night.
20140207 17:47:28< mattsc> fendrin: or go into any scenario where the goal is to defeat the enemy leaders and kill them using shift-k.
20140207 17:47:50< fendrin> Okay, just a few minutes to get the build done...
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20140207 17:50:15< fendrin> mattsc: Maybe it is related to https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/commit/d1a713a587015c6deca44acc0a614a9fbeed723e
20140207 17:51:50< mattsc> fendrin: possibly.  Btw, it happens when you're not in debug mode and finish a scenario regularly as well, debug mode is just the easiest way to get there.
20140207 17:52:08< fendrin> Yes, I thought so.
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20140207 18:16:55< fendrin> mattsc: Okay, I can reproduce it, as expected.
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20140207 18:18:41< vultraz_old> Speaking of the end turn button, I really think it's too garish
20140207 18:26:15< fendrin> vultraz_old: The new one is fine for me. I would have agreed with the one we tried before. Anyway, I trust LordBob and Jetrel_ on such matters.
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20140207 18:39:38< fendrin> mattsc: I can confirm that it is indeed the named commit.
20140207 18:44:04< mattsc> fendrin: okay, thanks
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20140207 18:47:37< fendrin> mattsc: You are welcome. I guess just reverting it is the way to go regarding that Ivanovic wants to release in the next few hours.
20140207 18:47:38< mattsc> fendrin: I have no idea whether that means the entire commit should be reverted, or what else should be done.  Will you take care of that?
20140207 18:47:55< mattsc> fendrin: typing simultaneously there  :)
20140207 18:48:24< fendrin> Yes, I will revert it asap.
20140207 18:48:36< mattsc> thanks
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20140207 18:54:26< aquilea> happygrue: "Ivanovic wants to release in the next few hours" ... I suppose Sleepwalker didn't respond yet, so the next release will be without updated Khalifate sprites?
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20140207 18:55:26< happygrue> hmmm
20140207 18:55:43< happygrue> he did not, but they are posted in a larger image in his thread
20140207 18:56:01< happygrue> I've asked him a few times if he has baseframes to send if I or someone "artsy" should crop them out of that...
20140207 18:56:16< happygrue> I don't know, if it can be done we can use them but is the format/quality going to be okay?
20140207 18:56:28< fendrin> mattsc: It is reverted, although our bot seems to be hibernating during these cold days... 
20140207 18:57:02< mattsc> fendrin: thanks
20140207 18:57:11< happygrue> noy: are there any updated unit files/history to add?
20140207 18:57:13< fendrin> mattsc: You are welcome :-)
20140207 18:57:19< noy> not right now
20140207 18:57:56< aquilea> I can't see any flaws in the Jundi line, and cropping isn't reducing their quality
20140207 18:57:57< happygrue> aquilea: here:  http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=551431#p551431
20140207 18:58:19< happygrue> that is the latest still AFAIK
20140207 18:58:28< aquilea> I am aware of those
20140207 18:59:05< happygrue> Sleepwalker has indicated to me that he wants to get back to it, but so far has not sent anything else to me.
20140207 18:59:45< happygrue> here is the relevent bit of what he PMed me:  I do not have commit access. "The Jundi line is probably finished including Monawish (not Mighwar), then we have the lvl1 arif finished. Baseframes-wise that is. Naffat could use the bow baseframe until i make more frames for the naphta bomb sling version at least."
20140207 19:00:16< mattsc> fendrin: confirming that that fixes the problem for me  (not that I had any doubt)
20140207 19:00:28< fendrin> :-)
20140207 19:00:39< aquilea> With th image path functions, a crop during runtime would be possible... no idea however if this is preferable
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20140207 19:01:28< happygrue> I am poor enough with all things art that I think anything I do would have to be redone by someone else for some reason... which is why they still arn't in.
20140207 19:01:32< zookeeper> why would you rather crop with IPF?
20140207 19:01:33< happygrue> but I'm happy to see them in
20140207 19:03:07< aquilea> I'm no fan of spritesheets, but they ar supported - why shouldn't you?
20140207 19:03:57< zookeeper> due to the possibility of some unforeseen problem
20140207 19:05:05< aquilea> ok, thn a normal crop seems the way to go
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20140207 19:22:17< lipkab> boucman: I'm looking into updating this page: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_People_to_bug_on_IRC . Do you consider yourself active, or should I move you to the inactive section?
20140207 19:23:24< lipkab> wesbot: seen grzywacz
20140207 19:23:24< wesbot> lipkab: Sorry, I don't know of grzywacz.
20140207 19:24:27< zookeeper> for what it's worth, i moved people who aren't here or otherwise up for consultation; even if you're not actively doing much but still available to give a pointer or two, you should probably be on the active list.
20140207 19:26:22< lipkab> "otherwise up for consultation" <- Uh, the page is SoC people to bug on *IRC*.
20140207 19:26:50< zookeeper> well, yes
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20140207 19:27:20< vultraz_old> Honestly, that page could just be renamed to something along the lines of "People to Consult", not specifically for SoC
20140207 19:27:38< vultraz_old> Linked somewhere as a list of who to talk to for specific issues
20140207 19:28:21< zookeeper> i dunno, i don't want to be on a list which encourages everyone with a WML problem to PM me :p
20140207 19:28:40< happygrue> okay, was the new right-click movement scheme going to be reverted at some point prior to this release?
20140207 19:28:40< lipkab> zookeeper: So IMO ilor, grzywacz and gabba shouldn't be "active".
20140207 19:29:14< happygrue> also: is there some compelling reason that anyone knows about why mousing over enemy units on your turn no longer displays how far they can move?
20140207 19:29:23< happygrue> that adds so many, many clicks to the game
20140207 19:29:44< vultraz_old> (I hope it's ok I added myself to the list for lua gui stuff)
20140207 19:29:55< zookeeper> it is
20140207 19:30:04< fendrin> happygrue: A bug introduced by me. Fixed by now.
20140207 19:30:35< lipkab> fendrin, mattsc: You two should definitely add yourselves to http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_People_to_bug_on_IRC
20140207 19:31:03< fendrin> happygrue: I just restored the old control scheme as the default some minutes ago.
20140207 19:31:09< lipkab> Coffee_irc, thunderstruck, and myself: perhaps you too.
20140207 19:31:11< mattsc> lipkab: yeah, it's already on my list
20140207 19:31:16< happygrue> ah, I built some minutes before that, so I was wondering ;)
20140207 19:31:20< happygrue> what about the mouseover?
20140207 19:31:46< fendrin> [20:30] <fendrin> happygrue: A bug introduced by me. Fixed by now.
20140207 19:32:12< happygrue> Ah, I see
20140207 19:32:43< fendrin> happygrue: Note that I enabled viewing a units range when hovering over a friendly one as well.
20140207 19:33:42< happygrue> I'll rebuild and take a look
20140207 19:33:50< fendrin> lipkab: Ah no. I am slowly going into retirement as a Wesnoth developer. Just finishing the work I began and then saying goodbye.
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20140207 19:35:37< mordante> servus
20140207 19:35:45< lipkab> hi mordante
20140207 19:35:53< mordante> hi lipkab 
20140207 19:36:25< lipkab> fendrin: If you're not going to retire before summer, please do add an entry.
20140207 19:36:38< lipkab> Or I will do :P
20140207 19:37:36< mordante> fendrin, is the circle still required or did you drop the idea (reading the logs)
20140207 19:38:05< fendrin> mordante: hi 
20140207 19:38:12< mordante> hi fendrin 
20140207 19:38:23< fendrin> mordante: Yes, it is still required.
20140207 19:38:47< thunderstruck> lipkab: Thanks for pointing that out. I'll add myself later.
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20140207 19:39:26< mordante> fendrin, ok, still want to get some other things from my todo list first, but hope to work on it soon
20140207 19:39:41< fendrin> mordante: Cool
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20140207 19:43:51< mordante> Ivanovic, I'll look at the wiki this weekend
20140207 19:44:50< mordante> fendrin, why are you retiring?
20140207 19:50:48< aquileia> happygrue: Sorry for my absence, my internet connection is pretty bad. I'm no artist, I just downloaded paint.net, cropped them aand controlled the result ingame. Hope they comply to the standards: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/npzes5n4t1tstx9/v5vX0znJoF
20140207 19:51:25< aquileia> a optipng run would be necessary
20140207 19:53:37< aquileia> If you want any other ones (Monawish, Naffat, Arif), just tell me
20140207 19:54:32< aquileia> but I'm assuming that consistency in a unit line is more important for you
20140207 19:54:34< fendrin> mordante: I am not quite happy anymore about the mood and the tune among the developer team. I feel that I do not fit in here anymore.
20140207 19:55:47< mordante> fendrin, :-(
20140207 19:56:55< boucman> lipkab: inactive
20140207 19:57:10< lipkab> boucman: Okay, thanks.
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20140207 20:02:52< aquileia> blarummyran, zookeeper: I know that I'm persitent, but may I ask concerning the shadow mages?
20140207 20:02:54< lipkab> AI0867: You should be there, too! http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_People_to_bug_on_IRC
20140207 20:03:27< aquileia> blarumyrran: I know that I'm persitent, but may I ask concerning the shadow mages?
20140207 20:03:59< happygrue> thanks aquileia
20140207 20:05:24< happygrue> I really have no idea if it will work or not.  :D  hopefully I will have time to find out in a bit
20140207 20:06:13< zookeeper> aquileia, right, i never got back to you after he told me that he apparently didn't delete them himself (or intentionally, anyway)
20140207 20:06:20< zookeeper> he can probably give you the frames
20140207 20:06:34< zookeeper> ...or to someone who can put them in resources
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20140207 20:13:39< aquileia> zookeeper: That would be... you? Just asking as you are the campaign maintainer
20140207 20:14:09< zookeeper> i guess it could be me :p
20140207 20:14:29< aquileia> Thanks!
20140207 20:17:53< aquileia> libkab: Dave is inactive, but still "working on the new Formula AI"? I thought LuaAI was the way to go, so I assume this isn't up to date. Sorry for bugging you with such a detail.
20140207 20:18:47< aquileia> lipkab: Dave is inactive, but still "working on the new Formula AI"? I thought LuaAI was the way to go, so I assume this isn't up to date. Sorry for bugging you with such a detail.
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20140207 20:28:47< lipkab> aquileia: Of course some details are incorrect or outdated there (another example is ilor's "recent", mean 6 years old experience getting in the codebase), but that doesn't matter much.
20140207 20:29:09< aquileia> ok
20140207 20:29:35< lipkab> The main point of the page is to list the people students can expect an answer from when they come on IRC.
20140207 20:29:51< lipkab> On technical matters, that is.
20140207 20:30:15< noy> I don't want to speak for Dave, but I think he's sometimes willing to help out students with a question. 
20140207 20:31:12< lipkab> wesbot: seen Sirp
20140207 20:31:13< wesbot> lipkab: Sorry, I don't know of Sirp.
20140207 20:32:50< lipkab> noy: ^ I don't remember seeing him up here in the last year.
20140207 20:33:03< lipkab> Okay, that's not true.
20140207 20:33:15< lipkab> He was here in June.
20140207 20:33:28< lipkab> Or whenever Wesnoth's 10th anniversary was.
20140207 20:33:58< noy> Well, he's online
20140207 20:34:03< noy> and I talk to him daily
20140207 20:34:51< lipkab> But students can't talk to him if he's not in this channel...
20140207 20:35:50< noy> he might be, or we can ping him elsewhere. 
20140207 20:41:09< lipkab> Well, if he decides to hang around and help out students, we could indicate so in the wiki.
20140207 20:41:41< lipkab> As of now, however, it's mere speculation on your end.
20140207 20:45:54< noy> Gee, thanks, lipkab… I get that. I stated that in the VERY FIRST LINE. However its more than just mere speculation when #1 its been his position in the past. #2 I know he's generally willing to help. 
20140207 20:46:13< noy> I pinged him and asked
20140207 20:46:32< noy> I'm merely saying that it remains a possibility. 
20140207 20:46:54< noy> Leave him in for now, I'll change it when I get a direct answer. 
20140207 20:47:07< lipkab> Ok.
20140207 20:52:03< shadowm> Elvish_Hunter: Not immediately, no. Of course its contents will be archived when the time comes to shut it down. The add-ons.wesnoth.org web doubles as an automatic archival system.
20140207 20:53:18< mattsc> Ivanovic: since I will likely be asleep when you start this tomorrow, I just made the last commit (and updated changelogs and release notes) that I wanted to get into 1.11.9.
20140207 20:53:23< mattsc> irker seems asleep at the moment, so I am pointing it out separately.
20140207 20:54:02< shadowm> Hi mordante.
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20140207 20:55:35< happygrue> aquileia: sorry, but those are not transparent
20140207 20:56:32< happygrue> and it took all the time I have tocrop to 72x72,  put one in and then test it to determine this - I wish I had asked XD
20140207 20:57:22< aquileia> you ean the ones I sent you?
20140207 20:57:37< aquileia> s/ean/mean
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20140207 20:58:07< mordante> hi shadowm 
20140207 20:58:17< happygrue> yes, from drop box aquileia
20140207 20:58:22< aquileia> because I tested them ingame and they were fine...
20140207 20:58:33< happygrue> oh?  I get a big white box behind them
20140207 20:58:41< mordante> I'm off bye
20140207 20:59:08< shadowm> mordante: So, what is the road ahead for trademark's add-ons server project? I haven't had a chance to take a look at past year's results.
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20140207 20:59:29< shadowm> (... hopefully you'll read that next time.)
20140207 20:59:47< zookeeper> happygrue, you copypasted from the browser instead of saving the file
20140207 20:59:51< zookeeper> ...i presume
20140207 20:59:51< shadowm> Hi fendrin.
20140207 21:00:29< zookeeper> oh wait, copypasting from the browser works for me after all. at least with firefox+paint.net.
20140207 21:01:10< happygrue> could be... when I look at the files in dropbox they don't look transparent now. They have white boxes inside black boxes, and are also not 72x72
20140207 21:01:33< happygrue> so I don't know what is wrong, but ... I have to go now
20140207 21:01:40< happygrue> I am afk for several hours, if someone with art chops wants to put in the jundi, batal, muharib, arif, monowish that is great
20140207 21:01:45< aquileia> happygrue: could you just save them in your game folder, replacing the old ones? They are already 72x72 and meant to substitute directly
20140207 21:01:47< happygrue> otherwise I look later tonight or tomorrow
20140207 21:02:38< zookeeper> dropbox can be rather annoyingly confusing when it comes to images
20140207 21:02:46< happygrue> sorry, I'll try later.  Please double check you have the right files in there, or maybe it's something I'm doing
20140207 21:02:59< zookeeper> trying to be all fancy and resulting in it being hard to tell when you're actually getting the real original image
20140207 21:03:13< shadowm> Elvish_Hunter: Regarding https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/commit/7687c43d1ee51719ce4f6aed6ddef52490a71d16 , I was actually planning to do that after asking someone more knowledgeable like zookeeper about it.
20140207 21:03:42< shadowm> I admit that the terrain aliasing mechanism still escapes my understanding.
20140207 21:04:29< zookeeper> it's fine, that's how the other frozen castles are too, right?
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20140207 21:04:51< shadowm> Yeah, the Snowy Human Castle, for example.
20140207 21:05:51< zookeeper> the only thing is that as far as castles are concerned it could go either way; all frozen castles are snow,castle or none of them are. it's not like the courtyards are filled with snow or anything.
20140207 21:05:53< shadowm> We have a naming inconsistency here, btw. Elven Castle Keep vs. Elvish Castle.
20140207 21:06:14< zookeeper> mind fixing that too? :]
20140207 21:06:25< shadowm> I don't know which is preferred.
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20140207 21:07:07< shadowm> "Elvish" has some precedent with unit type names, though.
20140207 21:07:08< zookeeper> oh right, i forgot we use "elven" in a lot of places it seems
20140207 21:07:35< zookeeper> at least in dialogue and story text, that is
20140207 21:09:05< mattsc> zookeeper: btw, if we stick to the planned release schedule, we have 2 weeks to get the ogre scenario done in EI  --  since I like reminding you of things  :P
20140207 21:09:24< shadowm> I'll go with "Elven".
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20140207 21:09:41< zookeeper> mattsc, yeah i've been fretting over that a bit here :p
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20140207 21:09:57< shadowm> (See also: "Dwarven Castle/Castle Keep")
20140207 21:10:21< mattsc> Have I sent you a draft of the AI yet?  I don't think I have ...
20140207 21:10:45< mattsc> I think I decided that I couldn't do more until I see the new setup or something.
20140207 21:11:14< zookeeper> mattsc, yeah, probably so
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20140207 21:17:25< aquileia> okay, downloading a GitHub client right now, I'll reupload them in a repository
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20140207 21:21:03< irker318> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 44d680c58ae0 / RELEASE_NOTES changelog players_changelog: Update changelogs and release notes with SotBE changes http://git.io/x0AvZA
20140207 21:21:03< irker318> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 7555b7133bb8 / data/core/terrain.cfg: Rename Elvish Castle terrain to "Elven Castle" for consistency with its keep http://git.io/QRWygA
20140207 21:21:05< irker318> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 77bbab788659 / src/hotkey/hotkey_preferences_display.cpp: Use correct existing titlescreen icon in the Hotkey preferences dialog http://git.io/-X_POA
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20140207 21:34:32< aquileia> Out of interest, is 1.11.9 officially starting the beta phase of 1.12 ?
20140207 21:35:44< shadowm> No.
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20140207 21:36:07< shadowm> See https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-dev/2014-02/msg00043.html .
20140207 21:38:39< aquileia> thanks
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20140207 21:46:37< aquileia> https://github.com/aquileia/wesnoth-resources
20140207 21:46:58< aquileia> zookeeper: better?
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20140207 21:49:26< zookeeper> aquileia, than dropbox? sure :P
20140207 21:52:18< aquileia> What is your opinion on Arif and Monawish? Their unit line would break visually if only those two sprites were changed. Wait or commit anyhow? (A rhethorical question as I have no commit rights whatsoever)
20140207 21:56:18< zookeeper> i don't know what i should be comparing to, so not much to say
20140207 21:57:24< aquileia> Comparing current mainline with the new ones from sleepwalker I uploaded in the repository
20140207 21:58:44< zookeeper> right, of course :>
20140207 22:00:14< zookeeper> monawish went from generic lightly armoured sword dude to a dual-wielding berserker?
20140207 22:01:44< aquileia> This is why I ask... sleepwalker obviously wanted to change the mighwar accordingly, but hasn't done so yet
20140207 22:02:42< aquileia> and personally I think he can wait
20140207 22:04:20< aquileia> The 3 base frames from the Jundi line definitely should go in immediately IMHO, the others would be a perfect example what I meant with reviving the resources repo
20140207 22:05:19< zookeeper> anyway, i try to stay away from the khalifate
20140207 22:07:15< aquileia> If blarumyrran sends me his shadow mages, I would adjust the WML and upload them too. I want to see them in mainline, so a bit administrative work making your life easier is the least I can do
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20140207 22:08:27< zookeeper> yeah, that's the most likely way to get me to actually do something :>
20140207 22:10:05< noy> Talked to dave… he's willing to answer questiosn
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20140207 22:13:21< aquileia> good to know, zookeeper
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20140207 23:06:39< aquileia> If I want to split a commit in two, should I "revert" or "roll back" or is there a direct way?
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20140207 23:23:40< ChrisOelmueller> you can `git reset HEAD^` to retain the changes
20140207 23:25:31< aquileia> I already gave up - my internet connection is horrible right now (smartphone as hotspot)
20140207 23:25:36< aquileia> but thanks
20140207 23:27:28< aquileia> next time I know how to do it
20140207 23:32:21< aquileia> If I had a stable internet connection, I wouldn't ask... but downloading wesnoth would take all through the night. Would someone with at least 1.11.7 bother to verify that the files for the new shadow mages work? https://github.com/aquileia/wesnoth-resources
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20140207 23:34:31< aquileia> The halo and missile frames aren't adjusted, but with two hands occupied there is no 'right' position anyhow
20140207 23:35:44< zookeeper> i have no more time tonight
20140207 23:38:29< aquileia> well, then I'll have to look into it after the weekend when I'm back from a trip
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20140207 23:40:13< zookeeper> yeah, plenty of time for that before the freeze even if they miss 1.11.9...
20140207 23:42:03< aquileia> but the 3 khalifate baseframes could already go in (Jundi, Batal, Muharib)
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