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20140223 01:41:21< battlestar> Hi, anyone could help with a simple WML question?
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20140223 01:48:43< battlestar> Hi Crend
20140223 01:49:01< Crendgrim> hi battlestar.
20140223 01:49:15< battlestar> how's it going 
20140223 01:50:33< Crendgrim> fine. Who are you?
20140223 01:53:48< battlestar> Pretty good, stuck on a simple thing about how to use [and], though
20140223 01:56:34< battlestar> Tried a whole bunch of different permutations and still didn't work, just couldn't figure out what the syntax is supposed to be
20140223 01:59:03< Crendgrim> <filter> [and] <filter> [/and]
20140223 02:01:33< battlestar> I'm just hoping to get a filter to go through when unit A and B are both in an area
20140223 02:03:34< mattsc> battlestar: two [have_unit]s?
20140223 02:03:35< aquileia> There is a guide on filtering by pyrophorous
20140223 02:04:04< aquileia> do you want me to search the link?
20140223 02:04:18< battlestar> I've scanned over it, doesn't seem to have this situation. I'm reading that file in detail atm
20140223 02:05:13< vultraz> two [have_unit]s should do it
20140223 02:05:28< Crendgrim> I think that should be possible with a [if] [have_unit] ... [/have_unit] [and] [have_unit] ... [/have_unit] [/and] ... [/if] construct
20140223 02:05:34< mattsc> Well, I noticed that he actually asked for a filter, not a condition ...
20140223 02:05:45< Crendgrim> although IIRC [and] was the default behavior, so they can be ommitted?
20140223 02:05:49< mattsc> But then you just do something like this:
20140223 02:06:08< mattsc> id=... x,y=... [and] id=... c,y=... [/and]
20140223 02:06:32< mattsc> s/c/x  (of, course)
20140223 02:07:20< Crendgrim> mattsc: wouldn't that try to filter for a unit on both hexes?
20140223 02:07:49< mattsc> Crendgrim: x,y being ranges and yes, that's how I understood battlestar's question.
20140223 02:08:17< battlestar> one of the wml i tried was:[filter] [and] id=Valia   x,y=7-11,1-4[/and] 	[and] id=Glwn 	x,y=7-11,1-4[/and] [/filter]
20140223 02:08:43< battlestar> the event does fire if I take off one of the [and]...[/and]
20140223 02:08:50< Crendgrim> no, I mean, wouldn't that filter for *one* unit with two id's on two hexes?
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20140223 02:09:39< mattsc> Umm, I didn't think so, but I'd have to test so.
20140223 02:10:35< mattsc> Doesn't [filter] id=A   x,y=1-10,1-10 [/filter] kick in when unit A is on any of those hexes?
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20140223 02:11:01< mattsc> I forgot, I should shut up.  :P
20140223 02:11:23< shadowm> Yes, but the range syntax is equivalent to an [or] sequence.
20140223 02:11:37< mattsc> That's what I thought
20140223 02:11:43< shadowm> x,y=1,1 [or] x,y=1,2 [/or]  <->  x,y=1,1-2
20140223 02:13:27< battlestar> so I thought to put an [and] around every set of conditions, but still doesn't work
20140223 02:14:32< mattsc> battlestar: what type of event is it?
20140223 02:14:32< shadowm> May we see the full surrounding code pasted in pastebin?
20140223 02:14:52< shadowm> I have a vague idea of what the problem may be but I don't want to speak based on crazy assumptions.
20140223 02:14:53< mattsc> battlestar: ^
20140223 02:15:08< battlestar> it's a moveto. let me paste the event here
20140223 02:15:19< shadowm> Pastebin, please, not directly on IRC.
20140223 02:15:32< shadowm> (See also: the link at the end of the topic above.)
20140223 02:15:33< mattsc> battlestar: then that means it will not kick in if you _have_ a unit there, but if you _move_ one of those units to there.
20140223 02:15:47< mattsc> No, both actually, at the same time, which obviously is not possible
20140223 02:15:58< battlestar> OOh
20140223 02:16:01< battlestar> that makes sense
20140223 02:16:20< battlestar> so it really need to use [if] and [have_unit}
20140223 02:16:34< battlestar> dang :P
20140223 02:16:41< shadowm> Or [filter_condition] instead of [if] if the whole event is an [if] action.
20140223 02:17:09< battlestar> i see, thanks a bunch
20140223 02:17:58< battlestar> I seem to stumble on every one of these details 
20140223 02:19:24< mattsc> battlestar: no worries, we all have at one time or another  :)
20140223 02:19:33< battlestar> btw what's a pastebin?
20140223 02:20:15< mattsc> Does your client show you the topic of this channel?  If so, check it out.
20140223 02:21:16< battlestar> ah on top the thin line of text with links
20140223 02:21:43< shadowm> IRC is not a suitable medium for multiline pastes (they disrupt channel activity), hence people post those in external sites and then link to them. For example: http://pastebin.com/QAXLPryf
20140223 02:22:04< battlestar> cool thanks
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20140223 02:30:43< battlestar> Tested, worked, thanks again guys
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20140223 03:38:14< aquileia> Jetrel_: I somehow found an old post of zerovirus referencing a new baseframe for the shade from you... but couldn't find the place where they came from
20140223 03:39:20< aquileia> I don't know if this is the latest version as I found nothing aside from the file zero posted
20140223 03:50:32< aquileia> The one zero attached: https://github.com/aquileia/wesnoth-resources/blob/master/Jetrel_elves/shyde.png
20140223 03:52:35< aquileia> Jetrel_: It'd be nice to hear a comment like 'ok' or 'outdated, take this one'
20140223 03:55:13< aquileia> I guess you won't respond immediately, so I will check the logs. Feel free to respond anytime, no matter if I'm on IRC or not.
20140223 03:55:28< aquileia> Thanks in advance
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20140223 05:30:11< Jetrel_> aquileia:  yeah, that is the latest version.  I'm still working on the full set, and I didn't want to start committing them until I have it done.
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20140223 05:37:01< battlestar> Hello again, I've come across another weird bug in my code, a little harder to explain so I posted in the wml forum. Thanks in advance if anyone could help me
20140223 05:37:50< battlestar> I think it has to do with saving variables in append mode
20140223 05:38:09< battlestar> but I'm quite lost on how to fix it
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20140223 08:14:49< Cyber_Rock> #courier
20140223 08:14:55< Cyber_Rock> :(
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20140223 11:31:40< vultraz> Cyber_Rock: what do couriers have to do with wesnoth
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20140223 13:20:40< battlestar> Good morning
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20140223 14:56:49< aquileia> Jetrel: Thanks again. Well, there is no harm in archiving them I guess? If you don't want them there, just say so.
20140223 14:57:15< Jetrel> I'm afk, but I can respond in 40min
20140223 14:59:40< aquileia> No need to hurry, it's no pressing matter
20140223 15:10:45< aquileia> I'll use the time for a short explanation: The fast that Blarumyrran's new shadow mages nearly got lost (they were no longer on the forums and nobody seeme to care) incited me to ask whether a few assets couldn't be included in the resources repo.
20140223 15:14:05< aquileia> The reply was that this would be too much work for a limited benefit - you never know whether the version you have there is up-to-date. But as they are spread all over the forums and easy to miss, I thought that a collection would be useful
20140223 15:16:22< lipkab> Certainly, but why should that be in the mainline repo? You could just as well start your own project on SF or GH or whatever and collect the assets there.
20140223 15:16:47< aquileia> If you dislike having your work stored there, I'm sorry and will delete it (or rather gitignore them)
20140223 15:17:00< aquileia> lipkab: It IS a separate repo
20140223 15:17:25< aquileia> https://github.com/aquileia/wesnoth-resources
20140223 15:18:51< aquileia> Yes, the name already led to a little confusion, but it's not wesnoth/resources
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20140223 15:20:03< Jetrel> aquileia:  nah, I think that's a wonderful project.
20140223 15:20:12< aquileia> Thanks!
20140223 15:20:23< lipkab> If it's your own repo, the how's Jetrel involved in the project?
20140223 15:20:55< aquileia> He isn't yet, that's the reason I asked him
20140223 15:20:55< Jetrel> aquileia:  go ahead and store this in there:  http://wesnoth.org/jetrel/Wesnoth/elf-archer-comp.png
20140223 15:21:36< lipkab> Oh. So here we're talking about Jetrel as an artist, not a bureaucrat.
20140223 15:21:41< Jetrel> aquileia:  that's my current WIP for the new frames.
20140223 15:21:45< lipkab> Okay, it's clear now.
20140223 15:22:47< Jetrel> aquileia:  I'm extremely busy with frogatto for the next few months (since I'm kinda sole artist/sole gameplay programmer/sole content creator/everything) over there, and I really need to get a release out, but I'm planning to do some aggressive work on wesnoth once I'm done with that release
20140223 15:23:30< Jetrel> one aspect of which will be finishing off this long-pending revision of the elves.
20140223 15:23:43< aquileia> Thanks, I included it
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20140223 15:27:07< aquileia> In case you want commit access, just say so
20140223 15:30:21< battlestar> what are you working on, aquileia?
20140223 15:31:20< aquileia> Just a little collection of art that could be handy for mainline: https://github.com/aquileia/wesnoth-resources
20140223 15:32:35< battlestar> I've collected a bunch of sprites from artworkshop by going through bigger threads up til last year
20140223 15:34:18< aquileia> Perhaps some of them could be merged in? I probably overlooked several pieces in my scan
20140223 15:35:48< battlestar> the folder is 15MB
20140223 15:36:59< battlestar> and I've sorted them out in subfolders by name of their creators (or whoever last edited the sprite)
20140223 15:37:10< battlestar> where could I upload this for you?
20140223 15:37:55< aquileia> Wherever you want - email, dropbox, anything
20140223 15:38:22< aquileia> Gmail accepts attachments up to 20MB for example
20140223 15:38:54< aquileia> I'll send you my email in a separate chat
20140223 15:39:07< battlestar> okay
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20140223 16:39:36< battlestar> Crendgrim: how's your rpg been coming along?
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20140223 16:40:05< Crendgrim> battlestar: didn't work on it for 1.5 years
20140223 16:40:20< battlestar> aww
20140223 16:40:33< battlestar> still going to?
20140223 16:40:59< battlestar> I mean, it took me 7 years to finish one faction so nothing wrong with a hiatus lol
20140223 16:41:51< Crendgrim> I doubt it. The Wesnoth engine just isn't good for RPGs. It's possible, but not worth the effort, I think.
20140223 16:42:16< battlestar> yeah I guess so
20140223 16:42:56< battlestar> working on anything new then?
20140223 16:45:58< Crendgrim> nothing Wesnoth related, no.
20140223 16:47:40< battlestar> ah
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20140223 16:50:48< Delfinisko> hi guys
20140223 16:51:17< Delfinisko> going to upgrade an older campaign to 1.12 support, anyone who have some time to help with it?
20140223 16:51:31< Delfinisko> it is playable, but few things do not work :(
20140223 16:52:04< Delfinisko> http://addons.wesnoth.org/1.8/ - The Final Exam
20140223 16:55:27< aquileia> Just in case... you know of wmllint ?
20140223 16:57:43< Delfinisko> i know something from WML of course and wesnoth help is useful. as i can see, many things to not work, because it is named differently not, for example removeitem is now remove_item
20140223 16:58:38< aquileia> wmllint is a tool that does several of these updates for you, and makes you aware of others
20140223 16:59:24< Delfinisko> using win7 now, how can i use it?
20140223 17:01:21< aquileia> I recently asked myself, so I think I cann help. You first need Python2 from http://python.org/download/releases/2.7.6/
20140223 17:01:53< zookeeper> good luck with that
20140223 17:01:57< aquileia> My problem was I tried python3, which is incompatible right now
20140223 17:02:27< aquileia> zookeeper: why?
20140223 17:03:34< zookeeper> because getting stuff like that to work on windows is fickle
20140223 17:04:45< aquileia> Indeed, it's not simple, but it should be easier than to correct everything yourself
20140223 17:05:00< zookeeper> anyway, when i upgraded an 1.8 add-on to 1.10 most of the changes were [removeitem] to [remove_item], [colour_adjust] to [color_adjust], and the old flowers terrain Ggf to Gg^Efm
20140223 17:05:38< zookeeper> so mostly just braindead breakage in the first place
20140223 17:06:42< Delfinisko> zookeeper, doing the same now :D
20140223 17:06:58< Delfinisko> btw can i upload to pastebin how it looks now?
20140223 17:07:38< zookeeper> and another reason why i don't even consider using wmllint is that it's prone to breaking things it's not smart enough to understand, so you should always compare the output with the input and see whether it makes sense
20140223 17:08:02< zookeeper> oh, and another thing would be ignore_passability= renamed to check_passability= for whatever reason
20140223 17:08:49< zookeeper> i just hope i can convince people to stop breaking stuff unnecessarily from 1.12 onwards
20140223 17:08:56< Delfinisko> here is my scenario 2
20140223 17:08:57< Delfinisko> http://pastebin.com/Arvgu4DQ
20140223 17:09:46< Delfinisko> problems: taking gold from the ground (solved by removing gold) and unability of winning, when a hero (Erika) gets the book
20140223 17:09:58< Delfinisko> (not sure if it was solved now)
20140223 17:24:24< Delfinisko> are you here? :)
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20140223 18:15:47< Delfinisko> okay, campaign is done. how to upload it?
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20140223 18:45:14< battlestar> you need a _server.pbl file and then get on the addon server scroll down all the way to the end
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20140223 21:41:01< janebot_> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) The first beta for Wesnoth 1.12, development version 1.11.10, is here! http://r.wesnoth.org/r40069 [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/437703666670526464 ]
20140223 21:41:51< janebot_> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) The first beta for Wesnoth 1.12, development version 1.11.10, is here! http://r.wesnoth.org/t40069 [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/437703877673361408 ]
20140223 21:43:00-!- shadowm changed the topic of #wesnoth to: Wesnoth User Channel | http://www.wesnoth.org/ | Latest stable version: 1.10.7 | Latest development version: 1.11.10 (1.12 beta 1) | Check the upness of Wesnoth servers on http://status.wesnoth.org | Public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com
20140223 21:43:59< oldlaptop> \o/
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20140223 23:04:23< mattsc> Does anybody know whether there are level-2 goblins anywhere else other than in Swamplings?
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20140223 23:26:47< _8680_> mattsc: EoMa has some, I think.
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20140223 23:45:39< mattsc> _8680_: thanks, I'll check that out
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20140223 23:56:32< battlestar> Hello
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