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20140311 00:13:58< Aishiko_laptop> what makes me wonder if I have a ref and I pass it to another function why is it now a pointer and not a ref
20140311 00:14:00< Aishiko_laptop> ?
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20140311 00:16:17< Dugi> Good night.
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20140311 00:51:55< Soliton> it's not. show code.
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20140311 00:55:15< Aishiko_laptop> http://pastebin.com/2u7ZqVRK
20140311 00:55:59< Aishiko_laptop> Soliton, ^^  I'm thinking I'm not doing something right
20140311 00:58:24< AI0867> hex is a reference, not a pointer
20140311 00:58:34< AI0867> *hex is then invalid C
20140311 00:58:51< AI0867> er, C++
20140311 00:58:54< AI0867> C doesn't have references
20140311 00:59:40< Aishiko_laptop> AI0867, I know but for some reason when I take that line out and just place &hex in the () to send to the other function it goes, sorry I don't work with pointers
20140311 01:00:02< Soliton> why &hex?
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20140311 01:00:46< Soliton> that's taking the address of hex.
20140311 01:01:19< Aishiko_laptop> Soliton, I was just trying different things and putting just hex there I get can not call with out object errors
20140311 01:01:56< Soliton> post actual errors, do not paraphrase.
20140311 01:04:37< Aishiko_laptop> Soliton, http://pastebin.com/4gKgSEYt  revised (as I think it should work) and the Errors appended on the end
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20140311 01:07:38< Soliton> doesn't look like unit_map::extract() is a static function, which makes sense of course...
20140311 01:07:52< Soliton> so get an actual unit_map.
20140311 01:08:01< Aishiko_laptop> AI0867, as for why I was sending it as &hex I was having a shall we say recall error and was like OK if just hex doesn't work maybe it needs the & to say its a ref.  reading up I realize that is not the case
20140311 01:09:39< Soliton> as general advice, before trying random things start with what you thought how it should work. at least when asking others, it's fine to try stuff before.
20140311 01:10:03< Soliton> otherwise you confuse people with more.
20140311 01:10:10< Soliton> s/with//
20140311 01:10:31< Aishiko_laptop> Soliton, sorry, I should have given the attempt I thought should have worked first not the latest failure
20140311 01:12:23< Aishiko_laptop> Soliton,  as for getting a unit_map that was what I was trying to get, looking at that function, the extract one, it takes in a map_location and gives back a map_unit pointer
20140311 01:13:18< Soliton> right but you don't have a unit_map. you're trying to call a static function that it is not..
20140311 01:13:57< Soliton> the current unit_map is under ressources i think someone mentioned earlier.
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20140311 01:14:58< Soliton> class::function() calls a static function. myvar.function() calls it on an actual object.
20140311 01:16:22< Aishiko_laptop> basically I need to have the current.unit_map before I call that function to get the *unit.
20140311 01:16:35< Aishiko_laptop> gees now I feel really slow
20140311 01:18:32< Aishiko_laptop> let me see if I can fix this.
20140311 01:19:30< Aishiko_laptop> at least I was going in the right direction, just took a detour
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20140311 01:26:44< sachith500> hehe, so I reserved my place on melange for the data analysis project. I'll update the wiki page with the timeline etc withing today ^_^
20140311 01:29:08< Aishiko_laptop> sachith500, congrats
20140311 01:35:30< happygrue> sachith500: hooray!
20140311 01:35:53< happygrue> that's the one I'm more interested in.  ;)
20140311 01:38:56< sachith500> haha :D
20140311 01:39:17< sachith500> it's the one I worked more on too
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20140311 01:46:12< sachith500> well I have a signals and systems lecture
20140311 01:46:14< sachith500> see you guys
20140311 01:46:15< sachith500> :D
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20140311 01:50:27< theflamingskunk> Airport Controller Signals
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20140311 03:04:25< lc2> How I translate wesnoth to *brazilian portuguese*?
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20140311 03:07:19< Aishiko_laptop>  lc2 click on languages and scroll down till you see portuguese BR and double click on that
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20140311 03:09:44< lc2> No *portuguesr* in the game wesnoth...
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20140311 03:10:47< lc2> I want join to team to translate the game 
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20140311 03:12:14< Aishiko_laptop> ohhhhhh
20140311 03:12:25< Aishiko_laptop> is there a channel for the translators?
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20140311 03:17:19< Aishiko_laptop> lc2, http://wiki.wesnoth.org/PortugueseTranslation  perhaps this will help?
20140311 03:17:52< Aishiko_laptop> lc2, or maybe this?
20140311 03:17:54< Aishiko_laptop> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WesnothTranslations
20140311 03:24:04< lc2> Ok. Thank you! Now I need learn study a little bit. 
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20140311 03:45:29< Aishiko_laptop> Soliton, thank you for you help, I finally figured it out, got it to compile and find on execution of the code it segfaults so yeah not committing that!  And I think I know why it does that, its trying to get the info on a unit at hex, but the unit hasn't been placed yet so it can't get it.  I'm thinking I that I might have to get access to the unit via the whiteboard undo-stack where ever it hides the list of tasks.
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20140311 03:50:58< vorobeez> Crab_: I write some simple function for erase avoided hexes. http://pastebin.com/qpGfrhHw. But i don't know where to insert this function(which part of code) and how to test?
20140311 03:51:16< vorobeez> Crab_: and i allow comment in doc
20140311 03:51:54< vorobeez> hello guys)
20140311 03:55:43< Aishiko_laptop> hi vorobeez, I hope Crab_ gets back with you soon
20140311 03:56:16< vorobeez> Aishiko_laptop: thank you (= i hope too
20140311 04:08:09< Aishiko_laptop> aquileia, shadowm, Soliton, I got it finally working right, its not done-done but done enough I think to introduce as an addition for 1.12 for the user side, it just needs the AI to take it into account (that might be best done by someone that knows how the AI works, that is low priority I think) and statistics but I've heard that the stats are turned off by default
20140311 04:12:42< Aishiko_laptop> and to everyone I'm putting the pull request up in the next few hours (unless sleep overtakes me copying the changes into the website) and I can then suffer the flames of "Its different!  I hate it, we don't need this feature!"
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20140311 04:28:11< irker185> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master 426721f03f46 / src/ (tests/test_unit_map.cpp unit.cpp): repair unit_map unit tests http://git.io/u-Bpag
20140311 04:28:13< irker185> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master ae0265fabf95 / utils/mp-server/update_server: Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth http://git.io/XF9lqQ
20140311 04:37:43< irker185> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master f9bf98293b2b / utils/mp-server/update_server: Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth http://git.io/BJ6x0g
20140311 04:37:45< irker185> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master 6e6766663cd5 / src/tests/test_unit_map.cpp: fix whitespace http://git.io/7fI3CQ
20140311 04:37:47< irker185> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master ba8d643a3c02 / : Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth http://git.io/ZSWvfQ
20140311 04:48:42< shadowm> Aishiko_laptop: "Copying the changes into the website" -- hm, surely you mean using the `git commit` command, right?
20140311 04:49:49< iceiceice> shadowm: sorry for multiple spurious merge commits... never again will i not use a topic branch :p
20140311 04:49:58< iceiceice> and to everyone sorry i suppose
20140311 04:50:18< shadowm> iceiceice: My new motto is "Embrace the Merge Commit".
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20140311 04:51:14< shadowm> Even if history may end up looking like an eldritch abomination.
20140311 04:51:23< iceiceice> idk i feel like much more of a ninja when i find a way to use rebase
20140311 04:52:33< shadowm> I guess it's because I figured that: 1) having merge information can be useful in some cases, and 2) it's an easy way to bug the hell out of people accustomed to the (fragile) linearity provided by VCSes like SVN.
20140311 04:53:26< iceiceice> oh, shadowm: in regards to your email about cherrypicking bugfixes
20140311 04:53:37< iceiceice> so i understand we've done it however we've done it, i'm not advocating change,
20140311 04:53:49< iceiceice> the reason why i assumed we wouldnt cherrypick is because i read somethings like this: http://dan.bravender.us/2011/10/20/Why_cherry-picking_should_not_be_part_of_a_normal_git_workflow.html
20140311 04:54:18< iceiceice> so they are arguing that merges keep the history readable and make some of the tools usable
20140311 04:54:28< iceiceice> and you should only cherrypick if you need just some of the commits
20140311 04:54:33< iceiceice> but everything going on 1.12 is bugfix
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20140311 04:54:42< iceiceice> so presumably we want to fix those in 1.13 as well
20140311 04:54:54< iceiceice> so i'm not saying we would merge master into 1.12 as you suggested in email,
20140311 04:55:07< iceiceice> but rather that merging 1.12 into master, with the 1.12 bugfixes, would not be bad
20140311 04:55:55< shadowm> I haven't tried it myself because I prefer leaving git experiments to people who actually enjoy doing git experiments, but here's what I'd expect would happen:
20140311 04:56:03< iceiceice> but we can also cherrypick thats fine, i'm just trying to explain where i was coming from wiht my comments
20140311 04:56:29< shadowm> Say, src/addon/ got completely rewritten in master (this has happened in the past, e.g. 1.10 vs. master @ 1.11.0).
20140311 04:56:29 * _8680_ supports the embracing of merge commits.
20140311 04:56:54< shadowm> How will Git ever be able to reconcile my bugfixes on src/addon/ on 1.12 with those on master if the code looks completely different?
20140311 04:56:55< _8680_> But always using topic branches is good too.
20140311 04:57:16< iceiceice> oh i see
20140311 04:57:22< shadowm> Unless Git was extended to understand what those diffs actually _mean_, somehow.
20140311 04:57:40< iceiceice> i mean i guess it would just give a giant conflict
20140311 04:57:43< shadowm> Given how Wesnoth development works, I'd expect the amount of conflicts on stable->master merges to increase exponentially over time after the branch point.
20140311 04:57:47< iceiceice> and you would have to manually delete all the irrelevant code
20140311 04:57:59< iceiceice> yeah the topic branch thing is the best practice i guess
20140311 04:58:23< shadowm> Yeah, which is why I suggested it in the email.
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20140311 04:58:51< shadowm> I did say private branches, though, because otherwise we might end up with an unmanageable number of public branches that aren't worth keeping for long.
20140311 04:59:51< shadowm> The complicated part would then be deciding which branches deserve to live forever and which do not: http://pastebin.com/DPGrb721
20140311 05:00:45< shadowm> We could have a lot more branches in some cases: http://pastebin.com/fkVKy7HC
20140311 05:00:47< _8680_> (Not to imply that more topic branches and more merge commits are mutually exclusive — indeed, the former should beget the latter unless people force Git to look like SVN.)
20140311 05:00:58< shadowm> Branches which are frequently rebased or reset.
20140311 05:01:33< Aishiko_laptop> shadowm, no I mean by hand.
20140311 05:01:45< shadowm> Aishiko_laptop: Why do you plan to do it by hand?
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20140311 05:03:37< Aishiko_laptop> git+me=issues, its just easier to do by hand, now if the website had a place to upload a git diff file that would be so much eaiser
20140311 05:04:28< shadowm> Aishiko_laptop: Yeah, see, the problem is that everyone here is contractually required to deal with Git sooner or later. ;)
20140311 05:05:33< shadowm> I haven't looked too much into the Git web interface, but I suspect that things like bundling changes across multiple files in the same commit aren't possible or trivial to do, compared to doing the real thing with Git on the command line.
20140311 05:05:38< shadowm> *GitHub web
20140311 05:06:00< Aishiko_laptop> I'm dealing with, I just haven't figured it out, plus I tired earlier and it refused to do it
20140311 05:06:34< shadowm> Using Git does require learning the basics of how Git does things, but it's part of the overall learning process.
20140311 05:07:07< shadowm> Like in other projects people often have to learn how to use make or <insert unit testing suite here>.
20140311 05:09:18< Aishiko_laptop> right now its saying a line changed and when I look there is no line change!
20140311 05:09:30< Aishiko_laptop> well its only in a couple files
20140311 05:09:51< _8680_> Is it the last line?
20140311 05:09:56< shadowm> Who does, Git, or GitHub?
20140311 05:10:18< Aishiko_laptop> it as in git when I run a git diff
20140311 05:10:43< shadowm> git diff will _always_ show the actual changes unless the file in question is a binary file.
20140311 05:10:50< _8680_> That’s presumably caused by changes of non-printable or otherwise invisible characters.
20140311 05:11:16< _8680_> If it’s the last line, it’s most likely a terminating line break.
20140311 05:11:34< shadowm> Right, depending on the terminal emulator (if git diff's output is going into one), yo umay be unable to tell the difference between a sequence of tabs and a sequence of whitespace.
20140311 05:12:23< _8680_> Some text editors don’t care whether a text file’s last line has a line break at the end, but others do, and may add one.
20140311 05:12:29< shadowm> Though, it's possible to redirect git diff's output wherever you want if you want to look at it into something other than the terminal's pager.
20140311 05:12:54< Aishiko_laptop> _8680_,  no middle of the file a blank line and in one its a line with a }, I'm thinking I deleted saved and then fixed it and resaved and its seeing it as a difference
20140311 05:13:02< shadowm> For example, the text editor I use is kate and has an -i switch to read the input for a new file from stdin, so if I wanted to see git diff’s output on kate, I’d do `git diff | kate -i`
20140311 05:13:18< Aishiko_laptop> shadowm, that sort of makes sense, 
20140311 05:13:35< _8680_> GitHub’s diff viewer shows this as a “no” symbol (circle with a line through it) being changed to a Return-key symbol.
20140311 05:13:57< _8680_> Aishiko_laptop: Oh, hm. I doubt that would do it.
20140311 05:14:20< _8680_> Maybe it… now has the wrong kind of line break?
20140311 05:14:22< Aishiko_laptop> _8680_, I'm not a git expert
20140311 05:14:56< vultraz> The executable flag could also have changed (if that's the term)
20140311 05:14:57< shadowm> iceiceice: Finally, developers here after a while start pushing their changes to master only because bug fixing is boring or something (their words, not mine).
20140311 05:15:24< _8680_> vultraz: I don’t think that would show one line as changed.
20140311 05:16:08< vultraz> I can't remember
20140311 05:16:13< vultraz> But it shows something changed
20140311 05:16:18< _8680_> “executable flag” is fine in most contexts. It’s commonly an “executable bit”.
20140311 05:16:19< shadowm> Yes, it does, but not the contents.
20140311 05:17:16< shadowm> Example: http://pastebin.com/9QSzQTSG
20140311 05:17:21< _8680_> Aishiko_laptop: Maybe the indentation changed?
20140311 05:18:43< Aishiko_laptop> _8680_, not on the } one but maybe on the others that look blank
20140311 05:19:26< _8680_> Not necessarily the indentation level, but also whether it’s indented with tabs or spaces?
20140311 05:21:21< Aishiko_laptop> well I don't see a difference and I'm using kate that shows me the tabs with a >> but could just be white space
20140311 05:24:03< Aishiko_laptop> I'm thinking git needs some sort of config to allow for it to update an online copy 
20140311 05:24:41< shadowm> Well, of course, first thing you need is to have a repository to which you have push access.
20140311 05:25:23< shadowm> People who haven't been given push access to mainline will generally fork Wesnoth and add a pushable remote repository to the configuration of their Wesnoth clone.
20140311 05:28:19< shadowm> Wheee, stupid modem that crashes USB-wise all the time.
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20140311 05:30:17< Aishiko_laptop> thats lovely
20140311 05:30:50< Aishiko_laptop> have repo, though no clue on how to set up pushing
20140311 05:31:53< shadowm> Have you forked the Wesnoth repository on GitHub yet?
20140311 05:35:10< _8680_> Assuming this is yours: <https://github.com/Aishiko/wesnoth>, you can set it up as a remote repository with `git remote add fork git@github.com:Aishiko/wesnoth`.
20140311 05:35:34< iceiceice> Aishiko: you might be at a point where my git for wesnoth guide could be helpful, if nothing else it has links also to github provided tutorials to do some of the basics
20140311 05:35:36< iceiceice> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Git_for_Wesnoth_Crash_Course#Solving_merge_conflicts_with_git_rebase
20140311 05:35:57< iceiceice> also if you find part of it unclear it would be great to know as then we could improve it for the future
20140311 05:36:07< iceiceice> sorry bad ink
20140311 05:36:16< iceiceice> *link http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Git_for_Wesnoth_Crash_Course
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20140311 05:37:40< Aishiko_laptop> shadowm, me? yes I have
20140311 05:38:12< Aishiko_laptop> though it is showing an old commit that I can't seem to remove and the code doesn't have it anymore
20140311 05:40:09< _8680_> Your commit messages seem to be in the form “Update <file>\n\n<description>”; they should be “<summarized description>\n\n<full description>”.
20140311 05:40:25< _8680_> (<http://git-scm.com/book/ch5-2.html#Commit-Guidelines>)
20140311 05:41:47< _8680_> Showing you how?
20140311 05:42:01< _8680_> And, during what operation?
20140311 05:43:44< Aishiko_laptop> when I go to do a pull request it's showing an old commit that I reverted, and its not in the code but its still sitting there
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20140311 05:45:21< _8680_> What commit is this?
20140311 05:45:49< Aishiko_laptop> the one in lobby.cpp
20140311 05:49:40 * Aishiko_laptop shrugs and looks at just resetting it
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20140311 06:02:38< shadowm> When doing pull requests it's recommended to use topic branches in case we ask you to reorganize the commits in the PR.ranches 
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20140311 06:04:23< _8680_> Also, if you make a GitHub pull request from a branch, then any commits pushed to that branch are added to the pull request.
20140311 06:06:58< vultraz> ^ that should be written somewhere obvious
20140311 06:07:44< _8680_> Maybe it should be added to the Git crash-course wiki article.
20140311 06:08:01< _8680_> (If it isn’t there already; I didn’t check.)
20140311 06:08:57< Aishiko_laptop> _8680_, I didn't see it when I skimmed it
20140311 06:19:28< Aishiko_laptop> well crap, I might just have to delete the fork and start over with adding the changes
20140311 06:20:27< shadowm> force-push to it?
20140311 06:21:29< shadowm> git push -f fork master will completely replace the fork's master branch with your own, for example. (Note: You may do this in your private fork, but never do it on an upstream repository like wesnoth/wesnoth.)
20140311 06:22:17< Aishiko_laptop> shadowm, well I mean reset it to the master of wesnoth one
20140311 06:25:24< Aishiko_laptop> I finally said screw it and deleted it and am reforking it
20140311 06:25:27< shadowm> Your master is assumed to be the same as wesnoth's.
20140311 06:25:49< shadowm> Unless that isn't the case, somehow, which is why you probably should get into the habit of using topic branches as early as possible.
20140311 06:27:05< Aishiko_laptop> it was the same but there was this commit that for some reason should have been gone.reverted that was still haning there
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20140311 06:28:27< shadowm> Oh well, next time to reset a branch's HEAD to a previous commit: `git checkout <branch>; git reset --hard <ref>`
20140311 06:29:05< shadowm> Again something that shouldn't be pushed to a public upstream, only to private forks nobody else depends on.
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20140311 06:29:41< Aishiko_laptop> shadowm, it was on github, not the local machine
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20140311 06:30:07< Aishiko_laptop> though I might be misunderstanding not hard to do at this hour
20140311 06:30:17< shadowm> force-pushing a branch to a remote repository changes what the branch's HEAD on the remote points to, so combining the above with force-pushing is a way to rewrite the remote history.
20140311 06:31:26< Aishiko_laptop> ahh that means I have to beable to touch it remotely first
20140311 06:31:56< shadowm> So if the remote has commits A, B, and C on master, and you only have A, and B locally on master, and force-push that to the remote, the commit C will be unlinked from the remote's history.
20140311 06:34:31< shadowm> Which is why force-pushing to public upstream repositories everyone depends on is evil.
20140311 06:34:42< Aishiko_laptop> I see and understood but I didn't have a way to that since the local machine can't at the moment touch github I'll work on that later
20140311 06:35:14< shadowm> Uhm, you followed the instructions _8680_ provided before to add your fork to the list of remotes for your repository on your machine.
20140311 06:35:23< shadowm> s/\.$/?/
20140311 06:40:38< Aishiko_laptop> right right
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20140311 06:46:46< Aishiko_laptop> shadowm, I'll push out the patch in the morning when I can be sure I don't break anything or make another mistake
20140311 06:46:50< Aishiko_laptop> hi iceiceice 
20140311 06:46:55< iceiceice> hi
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20140311 06:49:45< Aishiko_laptop> I finished the alpha version of custom recall costs at the unit level is ready to be turned into a pull request
20140311 06:49:53< Aishiko_laptop> iceiceice, ^^
20140311 06:50:08< iceiceice> cool
20140311 06:51:07< iceiceice> did you push it to your fork?
20140311 06:52:03< Aishiko_laptop> I added it and then had to destroy the fork to fix an issue I'll deal with putting it back up after a nap
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20140311 06:52:43< iceiceice> cool, no rush then
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20140311 06:58:07< Aishiko_laptop> nighties and I should have that up and submitted latter today
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20140311 07:50:03< sachith500_> hello Crab_
20140311 07:50:11< Crab_> hello
20140311 07:50:19< sachith500_> hey I had an idea about the AI project
20140311 07:50:32< sachith500_> what do you think of an implementation using evaluating functions?
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20140311 07:50:48< sachith500_> I've played around with a lot of AI stuff before :)
20140311 07:51:01< sachith500_> I had an epiphany during an AI lecture
20140311 07:51:31< sachith500_> I was just in the process of writing up a proposal
20140311 07:52:46< sachith500_> are you busy now, or would you have some time to discuss my idea with me? :D
20140311 07:53:16< Crab_> sachith500_: yes, since the full problem is too hard, the usual approach is to pick a simpler subproblem, and try to teach AI to do something simple, maybe using evaluating functions.
20140311 07:53:26< Crab_> I have some time now, so I can discuss
20140311 07:53:27< sachith500_> exactly
20140311 07:53:31< sachith500_> all right
20140311 07:53:52< sachith500_> well the main idea I had was how BfW has a lot in common with chess
20140311 07:54:05< sachith500_> and chess has a lot of research done on it
20140311 07:54:07< sachith500_> in terms of AI
20140311 07:54:35< sachith500_> some of the elements used in chess AI evaluating functions
20140311 07:54:49< sachith500_> are very similiar to what would provide value to the wesnoth AI
20140311 07:54:51< sachith500_> stuff like
20140311 07:54:55< sachith500_> advancement
20140311 07:55:08< sachith500_> the importance of the king
20140311 07:55:44< sachith500_> what I was thinking of
20140311 07:56:01< sachith500_> was developing a set of AI functions that can in general be useful on a multiple number of levels
20140311 07:56:08< sachith500_> *evaluating functions
20140311 07:56:25< sachith500_> for example the evaluating function for the defensive positioning
20140311 07:56:37< sachith500_> could be very useful for the current default AI
20140311 07:58:26< Crab_> yes, the AI cannot build 'defensive walls' of units at the moment, and having an easy way to do it would be a big plus
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20140311 08:02:12< sachith500> hello crab_ sorry small power issue in our lab
20140311 08:02:15< sachith500> let me check the logs
20140311 08:02:23< Crab_> sachith500: so, this is an 'important' problem. to get accepted you need to show that you can do it, probably by picking some simple example things, and doing them
20140311 08:02:42< sachith500> I get that
20140311 08:02:49< sachith500> but for that I have time till April 21 right?
20140311 08:03:10< sachith500> well not exactly till april 21st
20140311 08:03:20< Crab_> sachith500: ~15th april, probably
20140311 08:03:24< sachith500> I will look into the lua etc
20140311 08:03:34< sachith500> I already know squirrel
20140311 08:03:38< sachith500> so lua shouldnt be too hard
20140311 08:03:46< sachith500> ah the wml
20140311 08:03:47< Crab_> sachith500: and you must submit an application to google in time, we can only pick from people who applied via google's system
20140311 08:03:53< sachith500> yeah
20140311 08:04:03< sachith500> I will probably submit later today
20140311 08:04:09< sachith500> I'm working on a small timeline for the time being
20140311 08:04:27< sachith500> Crab_ I have about 5 years of coding competition experience
20140311 08:04:35< sachith500> algorithms data structures etc
20140311 08:04:46< sachith500> I think I have a good chance of doing something good :D
20140311 08:04:50< Crab_> sachith500: as I'll have to pick one student, there's usually some competition. I'll look for a student who show that he can code, has a project plan with a good idea of how he/she would spend time (so, timeline is good), and who is easy to work with (responsive, etc)
20140311 08:04:53< sachith500> I got 2 small PRs already
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20140311 08:05:14< sachith500> I was getting an initial idea of wesnoth back then
20140311 08:05:20< sachith500> so I didnt focus on AI etc
20140311 08:05:31< sachith500> this was around 12 Feb
20140311 08:05:41< sachith500> I will do some AI related pulls too :)
20140311 08:06:52< sachith500> Crab_ so my initial idea is sound, yes? I already talked with mattsc at length
20140311 08:07:04< sachith500> He didn't get the CS side of things
20140311 08:07:32< sachith500> I will look into it
20140311 08:07:36< sachith500> thanks for your time ^_^
20140311 08:08:16< Crab_> sachith500: I'd say you have only a part of the idea - you said what you want to solve, and you told about the general method, but you haven't told yet how exactly you want to solve the problem, and haven't proven that it'll work and result in better AI play
20140311 08:09:54< Crab_> sachith500: so, this is a good start, but to get me convinced you'll need to show what you'll want to do and how it'll work - maybe, by picking a much simpler problem than defensive positioning, for start, and making an example and testing that it works by doing AI-vs-AI matches (we have a tool that can run multiple headless matches, and collect the results, e.g. you can test your AI vs old AI)
20140311 08:10:10< sachith500> well the solving problem would use the evaluating function (which considers as much information as it can efficiently take into consideration) to provide an idea about how the AI should proceed
20140311 08:10:25< sachith500> for example (offensive potential) for units would be computed
20140311 08:10:47< sachith500> oh nice
20140311 08:11:27< sachith500> yes that gives me a great place to start
20140311 08:12:31< Crab_> see https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/tree/master/utils/ai_test
20140311 08:12:50< sachith500> interesting
20140311 08:12:56< sachith500> this could be very useful
20140311 08:13:01< sachith500> for learning the coefficients
20140311 08:13:05< sachith500> of the evaluating functions
20140311 08:13:06< sachith500> hmm
20140311 08:13:12< Crab_> and an example of the easier problem would be a 'full retreat' problem - make the AI get as far away as necessary to ensure it's units are not hit, during bad time of day.
20140311 08:13:32< sachith500> oh right
20140311 08:15:29< sachith500> well this has been very useful. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction :D
20140311 08:22:36< Crab_> great, bye
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20140311 09:34:35< shadowm> fabi: Didn't you add a variation SUF in 1.11.x?
20140311 09:35:17< shadowm> Or am I misremembering things as usual?
20140311 09:35:40< fabi> shadowm: No, you are right. But I don't remember if the feature made it into trunk...
20140311 09:36:14< shadowm> mattsc: I'm a hundred years late to the MAI party, but... re [micro_ai] action, the 'change' value sounds like it ought to have been called 'replace' instead.
20140311 09:37:18< shadowm> There, I accidentally revealed my plans to start using MAIs. Yay.
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20140311 10:33:33< Soliton> has umcd status been mentioned on the ml or forum (or anywhere else) recently?
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20140311 13:40:59< Laefy> hello
20140311 13:41:12< Espreon> Hello.
20140311 13:41:19< Laefy> I'd like to apply to the GSoC with westnoth
20140311 13:41:33< Espreon> OK.
20140311 13:41:44< Laefy> can you help me please ?
20140311 13:41:49< Espreon> What do you need help with?
20140311 13:42:04< Laefy> well it is said that for of all
20140311 13:42:17< Laefy> you have to create an account on gna
20140311 13:42:20< Laefy> and 
20140311 13:42:27< Laefy> there is this antispam question
20140311 13:42:35< Laefy> What VCS has its name inspired from a British slang/insult?
20140311 13:42:38< Laefy> ...
20140311 13:43:07< Laefy> that forst* of all
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20140311 13:43:10< Laefy> first*
20140311 13:43:48< Espreon> How annoying.
20140311 13:43:50< Espreon> "git"
20140311 13:44:02< Laefy> thank you !
20140311 13:44:05< Espreon> Yup.
20140311 13:44:18< Laefy> am i the one annoying ?
20140311 13:44:22< Espreon> No.
20140311 13:44:41< Espreon> Whoever made that the antispam question is.
20140311 13:45:48< Laefy> Yes, I agree
20140311 13:46:00< Laefy> hope that i am not the only one asking
20140311 13:49:18< Espreon> Do you need help with anything else, or no?
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20140311 13:56:11< Laefy> for the moment, it is alright
20140311 13:56:20< Espreon> OK.
20140311 13:56:44< Laefy> i am just wondering how to formule a idea project
20140311 13:57:04< Espreon> Formulating a project idea, hmmm...
20140311 13:57:28< Laefy> and to create the wiki page
20140311 13:57:34< Espreon> Truth be told, I don't know that much about these things.
20140311 13:57:56< Laefy> Well, not many people know
20140311 13:58:22< Espreon> Have you read this: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas ?
20140311 13:58:38< Laefy> Yes
20140311 13:58:46< Espreon> OK, that's everything I know.
20140311 13:58:59< Laefy> and either my English is more lowsy than I thought
20140311 13:59:05< Laefy> either I am stupid
20140311 13:59:14< Laefy> but I don't think I am
20140311 14:00:49< Soliton> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Starting_a_new_page
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20140311 14:02:33< Laefy> thank you 
20140311 14:02:48< Soliton> there is also (To create a new page, enter the desired URL for the page in your browser's address bar, e.g. http://wiki.wesnoth.org/New_Page.) on the aforementioned wiki page.
20140311 14:03:12< Soliton> if you have suggestion on how to word that better so you would have understood it that'd be cool.
20140311 14:04:02< Laefy> I thought this was too easy
20140311 14:04:04< Laefy> but
20140311 14:04:13< Laefy> it is really simple
20140311 14:04:48< Laefy> there was no trap
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20140311 14:14:43< Soliton> i've clarified how to copy the template page to a new wiki page on http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas - feel free to suggest further improvements.
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20140311 14:25:20< Laefy> thank you ! "irc.freenode.net" changed to "http://webchat.freenode.net/" too 
20140311 14:26:34< Soliton> we can *add* a link to the webchat, yes.
20140311 14:27:50< Soliton> done.
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20140311 14:37:19< Joe_M> Hi all. Im a physics student interested in google summer of code. I have studied a course on C, and ive played around a bit with C++. I would like to change the UI to make some things a bit more obvious. for example, when you click on a unit, I would like to make it so that not only the area you can move to is lit up, but each hex displays a number showing how much movement you would have left if you moved to that hex. 
20140311 14:38:22< Joe_M> that way, you would be able to tell that if you want to move to that nice forest hex over there, then you need to go around the swamp
20140311 14:39:07< Joe_M> going through the swamp will leave your unit horribly out of position.
20140311 14:39:07< zookeeper> i'm... not sure if that'd really be that helpful to see
20140311 14:39:52< Joe_M> it would also be useful to make it obvious that if you stop on a village then you have no movement left.
20140311 14:40:11< zookeeper> if you're not going to move as far as you can, it usually doesn't matter how many moves you're left with since you're not gonna use them anyway
20140311 14:41:14< Joe_M> i find that i often want to swap the position of two units.
20140311 14:42:07< Joe_M> you can do this by moving one, then the other, and then the first one again. the issue is if you happen to accidentaly move the first unit into a high cost terrain
20140311 14:42:30< Joe_M> then you cant complete your brillaint tactical plan.
20140311 14:42:40< zookeeper> true, but in that case you only move one hex, and you see the movement cost right there in the UI
20140311 14:44:25< Joe_M> hmmm ok maybe you're right. Good talk.
20140311 14:45:31< zookeeper> being able to see the information somehow obviously isn't the problem, but i think if every highlighted hex has a number slapped on it it'll be pretty distracting, when those numbers are actually useful so very rarely
20140311 14:46:40< Joe_M> it could be useful for reminding you not to move adjacent to an enemy
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20140311 14:47:05< Joe_M> (if you want to move again later i mean)
20140311 14:47:54< zookeeper> maybe
20140311 14:48:52< zookeeper> but then again that's a basic rule that'll become second nature very quickly in any case
20140311 14:49:47< Joe_M> Ok, different idea: a button you press so that you can see the maximum reach of all enemy units, assuming you have no units.
20140311 14:50:14< Joe_M> useful for deciding how to shield your weakened units
20140311 14:50:54< zookeeper> i believe that's actions->"best possible enemy moves", ctrl-b
20140311 14:53:56< Joe_M> well would you look at that, my idea is so good, you've already thought of it.
20140311 14:54:47< zookeeper> yeah :>
20140311 14:59:44< vultraz> xD
20140311 15:00:32< Joe_M> ok, it seems i need to reconsider. perhaps i will return with better ideas 
20140311 15:00:45< Joe_M> cya :>
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20140311 17:19:38< werlley> Entries GSoC started. How do I apply for a proposal for you? 
20140311 17:19:54< werlley> already created my profile ...
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20140311 17:20:10< werlley> and now?
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20140311 17:48:29< vorobeez> Crab_: Hello. I wrote you today: 20140311 03:50:58
20140311 17:48:42< Crab_> vorobeez: I'll take a look
20140311 17:51:07< vorobeez> Crab_: thank you, And i have a questnion. Context for AI is created at beginning of the game and only then?
20140311 17:51:28< Crab_> vorobeez: yes, at start of game or load  of game
20140311 17:51:54< Crab_> from either the scenario config or loaded game config
20140311 17:52:12< vorobeez> Crab_: ie during the game you can not change aspects and goals?
20140311 17:52:24< Crab_> vorobeez: you can, see [modify_ai] tag
20140311 17:52:39< Crab_> vorobeez: the context stays, small pieces can be added or removed
20140311 17:53:26< vorobeez> Crab_: thank you. I will look at it.
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20140311 17:57:41< vorobeez> Crab_: so with the [modify_ai] tag we can change ascpect like a agression?
20140311 17:57:49< Crab_> vorobeez: yes
20140311 17:58:11< vorobeez> Crab_: thank you :)
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20140311 18:14:19< Crab_> vorobeez: your code should go here - https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/ai/lua/core.cpp
20140311 18:15:05< Crab_> vorobeez: see http://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaAI#Debug_access_to_the_AI_tree and http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Lua_AI_Howto for how to test it
20140311 18:15:38< Crab_> vorobeez: note the lua table here - https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/ai/lua/core.cpp#L849
20140311 18:15:54< Crab_> vorobeez: you should put your function there, with some new name. and modify your function to get the ai context from lua state
20140311 18:16:32< Crab_> vorobeez: in the end, you should be able to test your function from in-game console.
20140311 18:17:08< Crab_> it has : lua command to run lua commands (see http://wiki.wesnoth.org/COMMANDMODE for the console help)
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20140311 18:20:31< vorobeez> Crab_: Ok, i will work with it. Thank you. If all goes well, then i have to do pull request?
20140311 18:21:51< vultraz> thunderstruck: does custom mp content always appear at the top of the list?
20140311 18:22:18< thunderstruck> vultraz: what list?4
20140311 18:22:42< vultraz> the map/campaign selection list in the game creation screen
20140311 18:23:52< Crab_> vorobeez: yes, you can, this function is useful for lua code authors
20140311 18:24:23< vorobeez> Crab_: cool :)
20140311 18:25:07< thunderstruck> vultraz: Do by custom you mean stuff generated using an editor?
20140311 18:25:47< vultraz> umc map packs or campaigns as well as the maps loaded from userdata/editor/maps
20140311 18:25:57< vultraz> s/campaigns/mp campaigns
20140311 18:27:24< vorobeez> Crab_: in the next few days i will post in wiki-page my high-level discription of plan of project. (and later low-level). But if you can, leave comments in the draft.
20140311 18:27:38< Crab_> vorobeez: ok, will do, but a bit later.
20140311 18:28:54< thunderstruck> vultraz: It should be the order they were initialised in void create_engine::init_all_levels()
20140311 18:29:38< thunderstruck> vultraz: So, I think it should be consistent all the time.
20140311 18:30:17< thunderstruck> Unless gui::list does some reordering by default.
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20140311 18:34:30< vorobeez> Crab_: thank you very much. I am grateful for your help :)
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20140311 18:46:05< tomreyn> do you use jenkins for CI?
20140311 18:47:58< matthiaskrgr> travis iirc (that isn't jenkins, is it?)
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20140311 18:50:28< Soliton> there is also jenkins: http://wesnoth.org:8080/
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20140311 19:03:34< tomreyn> travis isn't jenkins, no, but it's a CI system
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20140311 19:04:39< tomreyn> thanks Soliton. how comes i get 404's when i click on those projects?
20140311 19:05:13< tomreyn> permissions?
20140311 19:05:54< Soliton> where exactly do you get 404?
20140311 19:06:23< Yasin`> I have a question, I hope the answer to isn't overly obvious, because I tried to search. I created a candidate action to make a leader attack a spearman unit before recruiting, and I registered it in src/ai/registery.cpp and created a cfg file for it in /src/ai/dev. But I'm not sure where can I tell the AI of a certain scenario to use that ca. Any help?
20140311 19:06:36< tomreyn> Soliton: on any of the links non this table: http://wesnoth.org:8080/computer/Debian6-64/
20140311 19:08:58< Soliton> no idea. not sure what those links should contain either.
20140311 19:09:19< Soliton> loonycyborg: ^
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20140311 19:10:13< tomreyn> Soliton: they should provide information on this builds, such as whether they built sucessfully or failed, and the terminal output of these builds
20140311 19:10:28< tomreyn> s/this/these/
20140311 19:10:40< loonycyborg> yep, you need to log in to view those details
20140311 19:11:29< Soliton> you can see build success here: http://wesnoth.org:8080/computer/Debian6-64/builds
20140311 19:11:33< tomreyn> alright. would have made more sense for jenkins to send a 403 status there.
20140311 19:12:07< tomreyn> thanks
20140311 19:12:17< tomreyn> do you also use git and multiple branches?
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20140311 19:13:01< Soliton> i can also see the console log here: http://wesnoth.org:8080/job/Wesnoth/71/compiler=default,label=Debian6-64/console
20140311 19:13:20< Soliton> and i'm not logged in.
20140311 19:13:43< Soliton> anyhow, yes we also use git and have some branches.
20140311 19:14:05< Soliton> not using git for that long yet, though.
20140311 19:14:42< tomreyn> i'm just setting up jenkins (we used it before but with subversion then) for megaglest and am wondering how to properly set it up for multiple branches
20140311 19:15:36< Soliton> we've recently branched to a new stable version. i think we don't have that setup in jenkins yet.
20140311 19:15:51< tomreyn> the git plugin allows you to handle multiple branches in a single project but you can't track the build results by branch
20140311 19:16:13< tomreyn> ah okay so that's new for you, too.
20140311 19:16:14< Soliton> i'm sure loonycyborg is already eager to figure out how that all works though. :-P
20140311 19:16:50< tomreyn> i'll just dig through it more, unless loonycyborg already knows the best way to do it and is happy to share. :)
20140311 19:16:56< tomreyn> thanks S0liton
20140311 19:17:04< loonycyborg> I think parametric builds are the way
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20140311 19:18:07< tomreyn> would that allow tracking them separately or how is it better than just specifying branches to build?
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20140311 19:26:57< ldsh> Hello, I have a bug that makes the client crash. It is on the add-on "Rise of the elementalist". What could I do to help?
20140311 19:28:42< iceiceice> ldsh: probably the most helpful thing is to make a bug report at bugs.wesnoth.org
20140311 19:28:59< iceiceice> the most helpful thing is if you can find a way to consistently reproduce it
20140311 19:29:15< iceiceice> or even reduce it to a minimal test case if possible
20140311 19:29:26< ldsh> iceiceice, Ok, I look at it. It seems to be when one AI moves (it does not happen each time)
20140311 19:29:59< iceiceice> what kind of crash are we talking about here?
20140311 19:30:20< iceiceice> can you show me the error message / console output (use www.pastebin.com to paste on irc)
20140311 19:31:09< ldsh> The client that freze (even the sound), than crash. I launched it in a terminal, and it seems now it do not crashes, but gives this error: Error #2007 (E_NOT_REACHED_DESTINATION) in full move by side 2 from location 15,18 to location 12,16
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20140311 19:38:05< iceiceice> it sounds like an AI exception
20140311 19:38:36< ldsh> yes, like if it wants to do a move it cant.
20140311 19:38:42< iceiceice> so again, its very hard to fix a bug if the programmer can't reproduce it
20140311 19:39:32< iceiceice> failing that i guess you could report as much debugging info / provide an autosave
20140311 19:39:51< iceiceice> hopefully someone will be able to solve it
20140311 19:40:08< iceiceice> make sure to mention what version of wesnoth and what operating system you use also
20140311 19:41:12< ldsh> I can reproduce it with the saved file. Yes, you are righ, I use the one from ubuntu's depos (so not the most up to date, the bug could even be fixed on newer versions)
20140311 19:41:26< ldsh> right*
20140311 19:41:28< iceiceice> we will want to fix it on older versions too though if possible
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20140311 19:41:56< iceiceice> we will still maintain 1.10 for a while even after 1.12 is out
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20140311 19:44:42< ldsh> Do I need to register before posting the bug?
20140311 19:45:26< iceiceice> it is best if you do
20140311 19:45:42< iceiceice> it sometimes happens that people anonymously report a bug and then dont respond to emails about it requesting further info,
20140311 19:45:49< iceiceice> if you register someone will be more likely to work on it
20140311 19:46:03< iceiceice> *sorry i explained wrong
20140311 19:46:08< iceiceice> if you are anonymous we cant email you requesting more info
20140311 19:46:13< iceiceice> we can only post comments on the report
20140311 19:46:19< ldsh> Ok, I understand
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20140311 19:52:56< ldsh> sorry, can you help me respond to this question? What VCS has its name inspired from a British slang/insult?
20140311 19:53:30< ldsh> (required to register and my knowledge in this area is not so good :s)
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20140311 19:54:33< iceiceice> oh the answer is git
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20140311 19:55:30< ldsh> Oh, I know git, but I did not know it was based on an insult.
20140311 19:55:35< ldsh> Thanks
20140311 19:55:48< iceiceice> yeah i didnt know either, I think i just tried all the VCS i knew, haha
20140311 19:55:53< iceiceice> i started with clang actually i think
20140311 19:56:01< iceiceice> which isnt a vcs anyways
20140311 19:56:07< zookeeper> was that a captcha? weird choice for one...
20140311 19:56:10< iceiceice> its a pretty poor system
20140311 19:56:26< iceiceice> zookeeper: i its a captcha with basically one question
20140311 19:56:33< iceiceice> actually im somewhat surprised you cant just google the answer
20140311 19:57:35< ldsh> I tryed to google the question, the first response is to ask for a response, but has none.
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20140311 19:58:42< iceiceice> yeah idk, its just one of several odd things about gna
20140311 19:59:18< mattsc> hey all, just here for a couple minutes while traveling...
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20140311 19:59:50< mattsc> ldsh: that E_NOT_REACHED_DESTINATION happens, for example, when a unit is killed in a moveto event.  It does not crash Wesnoth though.
20140311 20:00:05< mattsc> ... so whatever causes your crash must be something else.
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20140311 20:00:51< mattsc> shadowm: personally, I don't care whether it's called 'change' or 'replace', just let me know whether I should rename it.  I can't in 1.11 any more though because of the feature freeze, right?
20140311 20:02:43< mattsc> sachith500: I don't know what the technical definition of an 'evaluation function' is in CS, but as I understand the term, my AIs use evaluation functions all over the place.  (This is simply meant as a comment, no reply/action required.)
20140311 20:03:07< iceiceice> mattsc: quick question for you
20140311 20:03:15< iceiceice> did you ever think to try to make an outlaw rush AI?
20140311 20:03:26< ldsh> mattsc, ok, so it is not reproduced each time, I'll have to rerun it until having the crash again
20140311 20:03:52< mattsc> iceiceice: take Fred and give him outlaws to recriut?  :P  What exactly do you mean?
20140311 20:04:30< iceiceice> so i dont really know how fred works, i guess that he has lets of special routines to decide about grunt placement / when to get assassins and archers / etc.
20140311 20:04:40< iceiceice> i assume that it is all very specific to northerners though
20140311 20:05:13< iceiceice> so i mean one quite viable rush tactic for the knalgan faction is to recruit only outlaws
20140311 20:05:31< mattsc> ldsh: well, the E_NOT_REACHED_DESTINATION message is easy to reproduce - just set up a moveto event that kills the unit that is moving.  But as I said, it does not crash Wesnoth (at least not for anything I have ever seen), so I suspect that something else is going on.
20140311 20:05:48< iceiceice> i guess this was popularized by a player HODOR, theres a bunch of nonsense on the forums about inside jokes about HODOR etc.
20140311 20:06:12< mattsc> iceiceice: that's how Fred started, but that's really not what it is any more.  It isn't even really a rush AI any more.
20140311 20:06:12< iceiceice> but its a quite fun way to play and i believe is viable still in the current meta on most maps
20140311 20:06:36< iceiceice> i see. i really need to look at the code then before i say anymore
20140311 20:06:46< iceiceice> will it work with outlaws?
20140311 20:06:52< iceiceice> does fred understand about backstab?
20140311 20:06:59< mattsc> Fred can only play side one on the Freelands map so far, but it should work with any faction/all units.
20140311 20:07:11< mattsc> backstab: no
20140311 20:07:18< iceiceice> i see
20140311 20:07:57< mattsc> iceiceice: we just generally let Fred pay Northerners because that's the easiest faction for any AI to play.
20140311 20:08:19< mattsc> No fancy modern non-sence like healing, backstab and the like  ;)
20140311 20:08:26< iceiceice> right 
20140311 20:08:27< mattsc> non-sence???
20140311 20:08:38< iceiceice> nonsense :)
20140311 20:08:40< ldsh> mattsc, It does not crash wesnoth when I run it in the terminal and see this message, so you should be right.
20140311 20:08:44< mattsc> iceiceice: right  :)
20140311 20:09:05< mattsc> iceiceice: I got to go and catch a boat right now though.  I'll read the logs later.
20140311 20:09:10< iceiceice> ok c u
20140311 20:09:16< ldsh> I will run it again and again until it really crash
20140311 20:09:42< mattsc> ldsh: the important thing is to find a way that can be reproduced.
20140311 20:10:10< mattsc> important for us to be able to figure out how to fix it, I mean.
20140311 20:10:19< mattsc> I'm off then.  TTYL.
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20140311 20:13:17< ldsh> Had it twice the two first times, and now, since I tryed on the terminal, no more crash.
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20140311 20:21:43< aquileia> lipkab_ , lipkab : Hi
20140311 20:24:15< ldsh> is there a log file somewhere?
20140311 20:24:28< aquileia> lipkab_: One of the files for my patch adds GUI tags to vim's syntax highlighting. It'd be nice to know whether it works
20140311 20:24:45< aquileia> ldsh:  http://irclogs.wesnoth.org
20140311 20:27:30< ldsh> aquileia, I men a log file for the game (not the irc discution)
20140311 20:30:00< aquileia> what type of log? stderr for errors, replays for savegames, ... ?
20140311 20:31:13< loonycyborg> tomreyn: I think it will track the branch that is being built
20140311 20:31:21< loonycyborg> But I didn't do it myself
20140311 20:31:27< loonycyborg> Only saw other person do it
20140311 20:32:04< ldsh> aquileia, log of the errors that could have caused a crash
20140311 20:32:54< tomreyn> loonycyborg: well it does remember which branch a build belonged to but that's not the same as being able to browse those builds by branch
20140311 20:33:01< aquileia> then you should open stderr.txt
20140311 20:34:20< aquileia> If you are on Windows, look in AppData/Local/VirtualStore/Program Files/Wesnoth
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20140311 20:37:14< loonycyborg> tomreyn: You could add branches as axes too I guess
20140311 20:38:00< aquileia> lipkab_: I'll read the logs, so if you encounter problems with my patch for vim highlighting please let me know
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20140311 20:41:19< tomreyn> loonycyborg: axes? whats that
20140311 20:43:03< loonycyborg> tomreyn: I mean as axis for configuration matrix
20140311 20:43:23< loonycyborg> I have platform and compiler as axes for example
20140311 20:43:30< loonycyborg> branch could be an axis too
20140311 20:43:34< tomreyn> loonycyborg: on jenkins?
20140311 20:43:43< loonycyborg> yes
20140311 20:43:44< tomreyn> can you show me a screenshot of that?
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20140311 20:44:02< tomreyn> i have no clue as to how / where to do this
20140311 20:44:04< loonycyborg> You already see wesnoth's jenkins
20140311 20:45:07< tomreyn> not the project configuration, though
20140311 20:45:22< loonycyborg> You need a matrix project
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20140311 20:45:51< ldsh> And under Linux?
20140311 20:46:02< tomreyn> ah now i can see it
20140311 20:46:04< tomreyn> that's nice
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20140311 20:46:18< tomreyn> http://wesnoth.org:8080/job/Wesnoth/71/
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20140311 20:51:22< iceiceice> ldsh: i think all errors and warnings go to std out in linux, not 100% sure about that though
20140311 20:51:43< iceiceice> rather they go to std::err i guess, but it ends up being the same
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20140311 20:57:36< Soliton> ldsh: no log file, as iceiceice mentioned it all goes to stderr. so you can redirect to a file: ./wesnoth 2> wesnoth.log
20140311 20:58:52< Soliton> in case you did not start from a terminal before you might find something in ~/.xsession-errors.
20140311 21:00:00< Soliton> i think debian turns logging off when called from the menu though.
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20140311 21:30:33< ldsh> Ok, thanks all, (I have nothing about wesnoth in xsession-errors) so the problem I had remain unexplained. Bye
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20140311 21:48:22< gfgtdf> hi does any1 else also have the problem that github webpage is slow right now ?
20140311 21:49:13< spoffy> Github occasionally seems to be. Try refreshing the page once or twice, sometimes fixes it.
20140311 21:49:57< iceiceice> i think they are having server problems or something
20140311 21:50:12< iceiceice> i am having connectivity problems for about 20 minutes
20140311 21:50:17< iceiceice> with github only
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20140311 22:10:38< shadowm> mattsc: Yeah, not in 1.11.x.
20140311 22:11:18< shadowm> gfgtdf, iceiceice : Yes: https://status.github.com/
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