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20140320 01:05:14< battlestar> if i call a macro in a macro, do i need parenthesis? Like {MACRO ({SOMETHING})}
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20140320 04:26:43< Patch_> Hey, anyone want a few ogres? I don't recommend the bushtos though.
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20140320 12:49:03< Siddh> hello
20140320 12:54:33< Siddh> would it be ok to port default over into my era as modified? :D
20140320 12:54:59< tdk27> it's GPLed for a reason :P
20140320 12:55:17< Siddh> so that's a yes? :D
20140320 12:56:04< tdk27> yes, as long as you abide by the terms of the GPL (distribute source, GPL your era)
20140320 12:56:07< tdk27> (roughly)
20140320 12:56:22< Siddh> kk
20140320 12:56:35< Siddh> I think this could be highly interesting!
20140320 12:56:57< tdk27> as it happens I think putting addons onto the addons server requires you to GPL them anyway, so the latter half isn't too difficult
20140320 12:57:21< Siddh> yea and I've also intended it so that everyone can use everything I made in my era
20140320 12:57:31< Siddh> it's even part of the reason I made everything to be like
20140320 12:57:36< Siddh> draconian_ability_name
20140320 12:57:44< Siddh> so if someone wants to use it they just change it to be hisera_ability_name
20140320 12:58:12< Siddh> like the schedule is draconian_schedule_01 and the images are the same.. so if they use like notepad+ they can make it theirs and modifiable in a minute :D
20140320 12:58:31< Siddh> hmm 
20140320 12:58:55< Siddh> so this does also mean that I have to create another "era" so that you can choose between normal and normal+default?
20140320 12:59:14< Siddh> this is a little confusing since the add-on is an era and the name of the add on is also an era..8)
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20140320 13:00:18< Siddh> Default undead are gonna have traits like "rotting" XD
20140320 13:01:38< Siddh> also gonna have to change all the movement types and hps, number of attacks, damage, costs, damagetypes, resistance types, but it's a lot less work still
20140320 13:03:58< Siddh> but still it shoudl be roughly the same in the end
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20140320 13:08:19< Siddh> though getting dwarves over makes no sense since I basically got a replacement faction for them
20140320 13:08:57< Siddh> and the dynamics in default are a lot simpler (although also of better quality) so it would probably require addinga couple of units
20140320 13:09:31< Siddh> could start with adding undead 
20140320 13:09:31< Siddh> :D
20140320 13:11:05< Siddh> but i gotta o out in 20 minutes
20140320 13:11:39< Siddh> if I copy the era file and change the name
20140320 13:11:50< Siddh> then add default units there as recruitable, but change their names to match the ones i created 
20140320 13:11:58< Siddh> then this should create another era with the new name?
20140320 13:12:09< Siddh> let's try 
20140320 13:13:08< Siddh> btw sorry tdk27, zookeeper, and whoever the last person was 
20140320 13:13:19< Siddh> I just noticed the era.cfg file contains the dawn/morning etc macroes :(
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20140320 14:58:04< Siddh> hmm 
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20140320 15:19:01< Siddh> I think I'm gonna abort porting default over
20140320 15:21:03< Siddh> can you create custom types of units for the AI recruitment pattern?
20140320 15:21:07< Siddh> or does it cause problems
20140320 15:23:53< Siddh> actually there's a page on the wiki about it so I'll read that... :D
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20140320 16:27:23< Siddh> plop
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20140320 16:31:16< Siddh> ANyone wanna play test my era ? the computer is hardly helpful for testing  :D
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20140320 17:16:13< Siddh> agh.. bugs!
20140320 17:17:51< Siddh> oh
20140320 17:19:42< Siddh> ability "cant capture" villages is pretty bugged xD recruit one of those and opponent loses control of all villages
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20140320 17:22:44< Siddh> alright simple question.. or fairly simple. If I want to filter for units that trigger event "village captured" how do I filter for them? 
20140320 17:22:55< Siddh> I understand it's stored in hte event
20140320 17:23:08< Siddh> so I'd have to filter the unit that triggers the event somehow
20140320 17:23:15< zookeeper> you want to filter for the unit which triggered the event?
20140320 17:23:23< Siddh> yes:D
20140320 17:23:31< zookeeper> x,y=$x1,$y1 or id=$unit.id
20140320 17:23:38< Siddh> kk thanks
20140320 17:23:42< zookeeper> or even find_in=unit
20140320 17:24:02< Siddh> I think id=$unit.id should do it <-- that means the "unique" id of the unit I understand?
20140320 17:24:10< zookeeper> yes
20140320 17:24:37< zookeeper> assuming _you_ never give several units the same id, anyway
20140320 17:24:49< Siddh> :D
20140320 17:25:21< Siddh> I have this understanding that when you type a unit.cfg and give it an id, that is the units id, but is distinct from the units ingame unique id, that is used to separate all units from each other
20140320 17:26:00< Siddh> and I understand that this $unit.id is the one that makes them unique rather than the one in the .cfg... or was that incorrect?
20140320 17:26:10< zookeeper> [unit_type] id= is the unit type id, a single unit id= is a unit's id
20140320 17:26:37< Siddh> kk
20140320 17:26:57< Siddh> well I think this should fix the ability.. let's see :D
20140320 17:28:14< Siddh> hmm nope it didnt :x
20140320 17:30:05< Siddh> http://pastebin.com/dEb5rjTh
20140320 17:30:10< Siddh> wanna check it out? :D
20140320 17:30:14< Siddh> fairly short
20140320 17:31:05< zookeeper> you have your [capture_village] wrong
20140320 17:31:53< Siddh> in which way? :o
20140320 17:31:57< zookeeper> the rest i honestly can't bother to even explain anymore
20140320 17:32:01< zookeeper> check
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20140320 17:34:32< Siddh> hmm well this is how I see this thing working.. event.. Capture. In this case $owner_side is the one that used to own the village, and hte unit capturing the village is stored,s o that $unit.id would match the unit doing it 
20140320 17:34:52< Siddh> so.. you store the unit (which though might be redundant?) and for each such stored unit, although there probably can be just 1 eeverytime
20140320 17:35:01< Siddh> you perform capture village command
20140320 17:35:08< Siddh> but it has to match only the village that the unit is standing on 
20140320 17:35:31< Siddh> so I thought x,y=$x1,$y1
20140320 17:35:46< Siddh> and to capture it on the correct side, you would have the $owner_side from the capture event
20140320 17:36:19< Siddh> perhaps the [filter_location] needs to have [filter]around it? :o
20140320 17:37:11< Siddh> oh i get it
20140320 17:37:17< Siddh> maybe
20140320 17:38:06< Siddh> or actually i dont get it
20140320 17:38:54< Siddh> I mean if there is a unit that matches teh stored filter, then it should do the "FOREACH" once
20140320 17:38:59< Siddh> and if there isn't then it shouldn't do it
20140320 17:39:07< Siddh> and if there's a unit then the location filter should match the same village
20140320 17:39:26< Siddh> and if there isnt a unit it shouldnt do the capture village, because then there's nothing for the FOREACH to do :D
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20140320 17:44:48< Soliton> "Generally, if the tag [filter_location] is not mentioned to be a possible subtag of the outer tag in question, then don't put it."
20140320 17:45:30< Siddh> alright
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20140320 17:46:20< Siddh> so in otherwords if you would put a filter_location in there with tags, it doesnt work, because it's automatic?
20140320 17:46:50< Soliton> in otherwords if you make up syntax that is incorrect it won't work.
20140320 17:47:06< Siddh> yea
20140320 17:48:24< vultraz> why not use the capture villages macro
20140320 17:48:43< Siddh> ? :o
20140320 17:48:48< Siddh> I dont know what that is but 
20140320 17:48:57< Siddh> now that the [filter_location] was removed it works fine, so thanks
20140320 17:50:22< Soliton> vultraz: if there is one it'd be good to mention it here: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/DirectActionsWML#Useful_Macros
20140320 17:54:01< Soliton> even better if you can link to it on http://www.wesnoth.org/macro-reference.xhtml
20140320 17:59:19< vultraz> Isn't the latter supposed to be generated
20140320 17:59:50< Soliton> s/supposed to be//
20140320 17:59:53< Soliton> yes.
20140320 18:11:11< Siddh> agh need to find someone for playtesting this is pointles with the computer :D
20140320 18:11:27< vultraz> In any case, the capture village macros are already listed there
20140320 18:11:51< Siddh> although it maybe because i havent specified which unit is scout/fighter etc in the unit.cfgs
20140320 18:12:27< Soliton> which is kind of a prerequisite to link to them.
20140320 18:13:36< Siddh> Would oen of you want to play a quick game ? 
20140320 18:13:52< vultraz> not me
20140320 18:14:00 * Soliton goes home.
20140320 18:14:01< Siddh> np :D
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20140320 18:28:48< Siddh> seems that the era is now almost bugless 
20140320 18:29:00< Siddh> at least i cant remember any bugs that are currently not fixed
20140320 18:29:28< Siddh> so it would be playable after making graphics and balancing the units. 
20140320 18:29:31< Siddh> :D
20140320 18:29:54< Siddh> or it is already playable with placeholders
20140320 18:29:59< Siddh> and it should be fairly balanced too
20140320 18:31:06< Siddh> I'm assuming what it takes to make the era balanced is a case of +-1mp, +-1damage,+-5% goldcost, +-5% hp and adding/taking some 10% resistances here and there
20140320 18:33:45< Siddh> points I'm mostly worried of are bavarian horde may begenerally a little too strong (but it has to be above par because it has bruteforce dynamic rather than versatile arsenal), sublime cabinet not having impale dmg or fast units that could capture villages, cabal matriarch's effect with the coercion ability, yari being too cheap, 
20140320 18:35:04< Siddh> Can't think of anything else that would require fixing 
20140320 18:35:12< Siddh> or rather is likely to require fixing
20140320 18:36:12< Siddh> and yeah sublime cabinet in general is a question mark 
20140320 18:39:41< Siddh> the built in imbalance of the era should be that sublime cabinet loses to bavarian horde 
20140320 18:40:55< Siddh> but in a very peculiar manner
20140320 18:41:01< Siddh> to be specific it should work so that 
20140320 18:41:11< Siddh> if you have players with strength 1000 playing, then horde wins
20140320 18:41:17< Siddh> and as the ELO keeps increasing
20140320 18:41:26< Siddh> the chances of should become closer to each other 
20140320 18:41:48< Siddh> would be pretty amazing if it actually worked, but that's the plan
20140320 18:41:49< Siddh> :D
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