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20140321 00:09:55< Patch> Hey what does -10810 mean?
20140321 00:20:24< shadowm> In what context?
20140321 00:22:58< Patch> Oh
20140321 00:23:00< Patch> I found it
20140321 00:23:10< Patch> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5192456?tstart=0
20140321 00:23:26< Patch> Thought It was Wesnoth related
20140321 00:23:29< Patch> Guess not.
20140321 00:24:06< Patch> But the blue screen doesn't happen to me
20140321 00:24:51< Patch> When I tried to open Wesnoth, it said "An error has occurred. -10810".
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20140321 04:35:02< adityapande> how to call damage_calculations from my own ai script?
20140321 04:37:55< shadowm> adityapande: The development channel is #wesnoth-dev, so if you want to ask AI-related questions that would be the best place.
20140321 04:38:26< adityapande> thank you
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20140321 14:22:31< Necrosporus> What's cutter in wesnoth installation? There's no man cutter and no info by cutter --help except usage: cutter [source] [dest_directory]
20140321 14:23:19< zookeeper> something to do with cutting a castle template into component parts.
20140321 14:23:38< Necrosporus> castle template?
20140321 14:24:23< Necrosporus> there's also exploder
20140321 14:24:41< zookeeper> well i might have been talking about exploder. i dunno. still, something to do with cutting, for sure.
20140321 14:25:06< Necrosporus> Also schema_generator and schema_validator
20140321 14:31:44< Necrosporus> So it's like custom keep maker, you draw the image and script cuts it to hexagons?
20140321 14:33:41< zookeeper> something somewhat like that
20140321 14:34:02< zookeeper> i've never heard of anyone using it, though.
20140321 14:39:50< Necrosporus> That's because there's no documentation
20140321 14:41:57< Necrosporus> error config: local add-on has invalid or no version info, skipping from updates check...
20140321 14:42:15< Necrosporus>  named addon is made by me
20140321 14:52:10< zookeeper> nothing to worry about
20140321 14:52:46< zookeeper> and it just means what it looks like it means, nothing more
20140321 14:53:58< Necrosporus> I know, but that's my addon, so I guess I need to add it
20140321 14:54:18< zookeeper> the server adds the info when uploaded
20140321 14:54:56< Necrosporus> So it's because I have version which is not downloaded from server...
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20140321 15:03:56< Siddh> Hello :D
20140321 15:04:04< Siddh> I have an irritating WML question :(
20140321 15:04:25< Siddh> nevermind actually I'll try this first (But maybe soon I have 1) :D
20140321 15:06:29< Siddh> alright
20140321 15:06:45< Siddh> actually I'll try this too first.. 
20140321 15:06:46< Siddh> XD
20140321 15:07:51< Siddh> hmm ok so
20140321 15:08:04< Siddh> I could probably achieve the same effect through event wml or 
20140321 15:08:16< Siddh> by cutting corners
20140321 15:08:33< Siddh> but I'd like to know if you can use filter_wml and use a variable as the condition?
20140321 15:08:46< Siddh> more specifically im trying to [filter_wml] moves=$max_moves
20140321 15:09:02< Siddh> it works if I use a number like "5" but it doesnt work if I use "$max_moves"
20140321 15:09:25< zookeeper> that's because you surely haven't created a variable called "max_moves" anywhere
20140321 15:09:28< Siddh> so is that possible in filter_wml and if it is then how? next I'm about to try unit.max_moves if that works
20140321 15:09:35< zookeeper> yes, try that
20140321 15:09:39< Siddh> :D
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20140321 15:11:31< Siddh> it didnt work :[
20140321 15:12:07< Siddh> I tried both $unit.max_moves and unit.max_moves , but I think it requires the $ sign to work  
20140321 15:12:24< Siddh> I think this is because it's in filter_wml tags (or i did something wrong) :D
20140321 15:12:31< zookeeper> no
20140321 15:14:22< Siddh> hmm :o
20140321 15:14:45< Siddh> well I dont know
20140321 15:14:50< Siddh> it works if I put number 5
20140321 15:14:52< zookeeper> no one does
20140321 15:14:56< Siddh> but doesnt work if I use max_moves
20140321 15:15:20< Siddh> so the problem seems to be not having a correct variable to substitute the number from, or the substition itself
20140321 15:15:30< Siddh> perhaps I could try the $() thing
20140321 15:15:34< Siddh> thouhgit was for math
20140321 15:15:37< zookeeper> indeed, that is the problem
20140321 15:16:02< Siddh> :D
20140321 15:16:52< Siddh> Any solution ? :D
20140321 15:17:20< zookeeper> i don't read minds, i don't know the context so obviously i cannot know what the correct variable would be.
20140321 15:17:42< Siddh> well it is max_moves
20140321 15:17:54< zookeeper> obviously it's not max_moves because you just said it doesn't work.
20140321 15:18:14< Siddh> the maximum number of moves for the unit is 5
20140321 15:18:20< Siddh> and if I use the value 5 directly, it works fine
20140321 15:18:28< Siddh> but if I want to take into account, let's say, quick trait
20140321 15:18:33< Siddh> then I wold rather use max_moves
20140321 15:18:45< zookeeper> that's not context
20140321 15:18:46< Siddh> but I may be doing that wrong or something
20140321 15:19:10< Siddh> if I lookk at the unit with inspect
20140321 15:19:13< Siddh> it says max_moves = 5
20140321 15:19:57< Siddh> if I write into [filter_wml] moves=5 
20140321 15:19:59< Siddh> the ability works fine
20140321 15:20:19< Siddh> anyway
20140321 15:20:21< Siddh> let's try the $() trick
20140321 15:21:06< Siddh> nope 
20140321 15:22:33< Siddh> well another way would be to create an event that tracks the units movement points and matches them with the maximum moves
20140321 15:22:42< Siddh> and creates a unit specific variable which may have a value 0 and 1
20140321 15:22:45< Siddh> then instead of this filter_wml moves
20140321 15:22:53< Siddh> I could use created_variable=1
20140321 15:22:56< Siddh> but all that would be 
20140321 15:23:10< Siddh> because filter_wml can't read the value of the max_moves to use as the return value
20140321 15:23:18< zookeeper> since you clearly don't want to enable people to point out what you're doing wrong, there's really no point in rambling about every random thing you're blindly attempting either
20140321 15:23:42< Siddh> actually that's a false assumption
20140321 15:23:48< Siddh> it would be nice if people would point out what I was doing wrong
20140321 15:23:58< Siddh> and also rambling about whatever you may be doing is a form of being social
20140321 15:24:04< Siddh> :D
20140321 15:24:53< Siddh> so what's the problem?
20140321 15:25:29< Siddh> I have [filter][filter_wml]moves=[/filter_wml][/filter] in ability, more specifically it's [hides] kind of ability
20140321 15:25:37< Siddh> if I put moves=5 it works
20140321 15:25:47< Siddh> if I put moves=max_moves or any other way of writing that I've tried so far 
20140321 15:25:49< Siddh> it doesnt work
20140321 15:25:58< Siddh> and also the value of max_moves is 5
20140321 15:26:08< Siddh> without  quick trait at least
20140321 15:26:38< Siddh> so the problem is getting the value of max_moves into the moves= -> here <-
20140321 15:26:40< zookeeper> well, now that is some context, almost as good as the code itself
20140321 15:27:12< zookeeper> $unit is available in events
20140321 15:27:20< Siddh> yeah I could guess that's the problem
20140321 15:27:23< zookeeper> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SyntaxWML#Automatically_Stored_Variables <- this_unit: inside a standard unit filter, this is the unit currently being considered for a possible match 
20140321 15:27:33< zookeeper> so moves=$this_unit.max_moves
20140321 15:27:46< Siddh> so alright grats dude 
20140321 15:29:28< zookeeper> if you had just posted your ability code to begin with, i could have told you that right away, 20 minutes and dozens of chat lines earlier
20140321 15:30:21< Siddh> yeah like you always do
20140321 15:30:26< Siddh> gimme a break! :D
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20140321 15:32:33< Siddh> anyway thanks it works 
20140321 15:34:54< Siddh> just saying that usually you're like "Why dont you try doing it yourself"
20140321 15:35:12< Siddh> now that I do then it's more like the other way
20140321 15:35:13< Siddh> :D
20140321 15:35:39< zookeeper> i try to resort to that only when it's something pretty obvious if you just look at the docs, whereas this one was much less so
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20140321 16:42:22< dipseydoodle> Good afternoon
20140321 16:42:27< Siddh> Hello :)
20140321 16:43:36< dipseydoodle> Question for anybody to answer. I'm getting ready to publish a preivew of my campaign today... Is there a way to ensure that a unit will always move twards a certain hex, and can you make them stay on one terrain type?
20140321 16:43:51< dipseydoodle> Hey siddh
20140321 16:45:55< Siddh> Sorry too hard question for me maybe someone else can help :D
20140321 16:47:11< dipseydoodle> Thats alright... Nice art work by the way
20140321 16:47:34< dipseydoodle> Want me to redo the golem? you said you might work on it.
20140321 16:49:02< dipseydoodle> You could of course use any of my artwork that i have posted on the forum too
20140321 16:49:07< Siddh> thanks I was kidn of surprised to notice that I can do some images myself :D The golem.. well if you want to then sure! That'd be nice :D
20140321 16:49:31< Siddh> HMm 
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20140321 16:51:41< Siddh> You got some pretty nice artwork yourself there too :D just looking at the campaign thread
20140321 16:52:41< zookeeper> dipseydoodle, you mean it should not even move through other terrain types?
20140321 16:55:56< dipseydoodle> zookeeper yes
20140321 16:56:07< dipseydoodle> Just through desser flats and dunes
20140321 16:56:21< dipseydoodle> I'm trying to make a "caravan" stay on a road
20140321 16:56:47< zookeeper> hrhm
20140321 16:56:58< dipseydoodle> I thought about [move_unit] but I want it to be unpredictable
20140321 16:58:02< tdk27> give it a custom move type that makes the rest impassable?
20140321 16:58:11< dipseydoodle> Hmm
20140321 16:58:15< tdk27> thats' the simple way
20140321 16:58:32< zookeeper> that's one method, if you can make it work that way
20140321 16:58:34< tdk27> (or if not necsesarily impassible, massively costly
20140321 16:58:35< tdk27> )
20140321 16:59:16< zookeeper> or i guess you could use [ai] [avoid] terrain=whateveryouwantittoavoid
20140321 16:59:27< dipseydoodle> RIght now I'm actually using existing units for the caravan though because I could not get my other units to work that I made
20140321 16:59:31< zookeeper> not sure if it makes it avoid crossing those terrains too, i guess you'll find out
20140321 16:59:33< dipseydoodle> I'll see about that
20140321 16:59:50< dipseydoodle> And to target the hex it needs to move too id?
20140321 17:00:12< dipseydoodle> Is there a certain [target] type of tag for that?
20140321 17:00:13< zookeeper> umm, what?
20140321 17:00:19< zookeeper> oh
20140321 17:00:45< zookeeper> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/AiWML#The_.5Bai.5D_Tag:_Defining_Aspects
20140321 17:01:00< zookeeper> try [goal]? i'd expect there to be some examples in mainline
20140321 17:01:09< dipseydoodle> Just saw that
20140321 17:01:15< dipseydoodle> thanks
20140321 17:01:24< dipseydoodle> Also saw goto
20140321 17:01:27< zookeeper> and if you don't seem to get it working, you could try bugging mattsc :p
20140321 17:02:32< dipseydoodle> ok :D
20140321 17:05:45< mattsc> dipseydoodle: in what version of Wesnoth are you trying to do this?
20140321 17:06:27< mattsc> zookeeper: AI units do move across avoided hexes, they just don't stop on them.
20140321 17:06:35< zookeeper> right
20140321 17:08:00< mattsc> dipseydoodle: the easiest way to do this is probably the combination of setting a goto for the unit with making other terrain impassable for it.
20140321 17:08:47< mattsc> If you want something more complex (e.g. an escort that protects the caravan and clears the way for it), you could use this:  http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Micro_AIs#Messenger_Escort_Micro_AI_.28ai_type.3Dmessenger_escort.29
20140321 17:11:55< dipseydoodle> goto didn't work... Ok I'm looking at that
20140321 17:12:10< dipseydoodle> Oh latest stable
20140321 17:12:32< mattsc> dipseydoodle: the Micro AIs are 1.11 and later only
20140321 17:12:38< mattsc> In which way did goto not work?
20140321 17:12:52< dipseydoodle> Goto he kept moving twards my leader
20140321 17:13:07< dipseydoodle> I did it like goto_x=41
20140321 17:13:15< dipseydoodle> goto_y=4
20140321 17:13:21< dipseydoodle> Or is that wrong
20140321 17:13:31< dipseydoodle> and it was in the [unit] [/unit] tag
20140321 17:14:09< mattsc> Did you check with :inspect that goto_x and goto_y were set correctly for the unit?
20140321 17:14:34< mattsc> It should work, so likely something else is going on (or you have a typo somewhere)
20140321 17:14:51< dipseydoodle> no
20140321 17:14:54< dipseydoodle> What do you mean
20140321 17:15:19< mattsc> star the game, then type :debug, then :inspect  (and you'll see)
20140321 17:15:21< dipseydoodle> oh crap
20140321 17:15:24< mattsc> *start
20140321 17:15:24< dipseydoodle> yeah type
20140321 17:15:26< dipseydoodle> typo
20140321 17:15:32< dipseydoodle> had 44 instead of 4 
20140321 17:15:36< dipseydoodle> lol
20140321 17:15:43< dipseydoodle> let's hope this works
20140321 17:20:56< dipseydoodle> Awesome
20140321 17:21:01< dipseydoodle> It worked, thanks
20140321 17:26:45< dipseydoodle> Ok so I just made the cfg... So how do I define it in the scenario?
20140321 17:26:55< dipseydoodle> with a [modify_unit]?
20140321 17:39:31< dipseydoodle> Hmm the movetype isn't working
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20140321 17:51:49< Siddh> ?
20140321 17:52:29< Siddh> You've to have the file in which the movetype is, loaded as well, in some configuration file 
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20140321 17:58:40< dipseydoodle> Ok it worked
20140321 17:58:48< dipseydoodle> No I just used an event
20140321 17:58:59< dipseydoodle> Ok, looks like it time to release
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20140321 18:10:07< Siddh> :D
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20140321 18:42:43< dipseydoodle> Rise of the Orcs is now on the add-ons server... Thanks for everybodies help
20140321 18:49:30< Siddh> :D
20140321 18:49:46< Siddh> Gotta check it out 
20140321 18:49:54< Siddh> but now I'm busy making applepie 8)
20140321 18:58:17< dipseydoodle> Cool
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20140321 20:39:45< siddh^^> installed Krita :D
20140321 20:39:50< siddh^^> damn this
20140321 20:39:57< siddh^^> this slider that allows changing the brush size
20140321 20:40:07< siddh^^> man that aloen is a good reason to uninstall gimp
20140321 20:40:08< siddh^^> :DD
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20140321 21:40:30< siddh^^> a "special notes" file wouldnt be any different from other files?
20140321 21:42:39< Soliton> clearly it's special so quite different from an ordinary file.
20140321 21:42:57< siddh^^> :D
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