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20140404 02:13:25< shadowm> sachith500: Why did you close PR #136?
20140404 02:13:39< sachith500> needed more work
20140404 02:13:51< shadowm> You can force-push to PR branches to update them.
20140404 02:14:06< sachith500> yeah, but I'm going to be a bit busy over the next few days
20140404 02:14:15< sachith500> figured I'd reopen it when I got a chance to work on it?
20140404 02:14:30< shadowm> Is that a thing people can do?
20140404 02:14:40< sachith500> reopen?
20140404 02:14:44 * shadowm doesn't have an account without admin access to check.
20140404 02:15:00< sachith500> well I created the PR
20140404 02:15:22< sachith500> so I can reopen it
20140404 02:15:35< shadowm> Okay.
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20140404 02:15:47< sachith500> :D
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20140404 02:16:00< sachith500> what did you think
20140404 02:16:02< sachith500> about it?
20140404 02:16:30< shadowm> I was about to pull it to test.
20140404 02:17:07< sachith500> oh
20140404 02:17:15< sachith500> you can't do that when it's closed?
20140404 02:17:20< sachith500> shall I keep it open for now, then?
20140404 02:17:26< sachith500> I thought it would be better to close
20140404 02:17:51< sachith500> you can pull my branch instead
20140404 02:17:52< sachith500> I think
20140404 02:17:59< shadowm> I located the repository and branch by hand, so it's not a problem.
20140404 02:18:15< sachith500> ok :)
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20140404 02:23:12< shadowm> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21371130/screenshots/wesnoth-1.13.0-probability-stuff.png <- okay, so I also vote for using ≥ here instead of >=.
20140404 02:23:23< sachith500> yeah
20140404 02:23:46< shadowm> But most importantly, it seems to me like the "Probability HP >=" label is a bit too close to the expected HP graphs above.
20140404 02:24:06< sachith500> right
20140404 02:24:16< sachith500> I can take it down a bit further
20140404 02:24:30< sachith500> about 14 units will do I think?
20140404 02:24:57< shadowm> We normally use a spacing of 5 pixels between widgets in GUI2, and I think the same applies to GUI1 dialogs like these.
20140404 02:25:13< sachith500> hmm ok
20140404 02:25:26< shadowm> For two adjacent widgets, that results in 10 pixels between them.
20140404 02:26:43< shadowm> sachith500: Oh, also, this also merits a players changelog entry since it counts as a user-visible change.
20140404 02:26:59< sachith500> ahh
20140404 02:27:04< sachith500> I totally missed that
20140404 02:27:19< sachith500> thanks :D
20140404 02:28:03< sachith500> what's your opinion on the whole slows/swarm/high number of attacks thing?
20140404 02:29:52< sachith500> shadowm does wesnoth have a ribbon-widget kind of thing?
20140404 02:30:06< sachith500> I don't recall ever seeing one
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20140404 02:34:10< shadowm> Ribbon... widget...
20140404 02:34:22< shadowm> sachith500: What's a ribbon widget?
20140404 02:34:28< sachith500> it's like
20140404 02:34:30< sachith500> erm
20140404 02:34:36< sachith500> you have 2 buttons on each side
20140404 02:34:39< sachith500> and it wraps around
20140404 02:34:42< sachith500> left and right
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20140404 02:35:10< sachith500> if you have screens A,B and C on the same widget
20140404 02:35:17< sachith500> left on A would give C
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20140404 02:35:58< sachith500> like cyclic
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20140404 02:36:18< sachith500> I've seen it used with that name before, dunno if it's standard :P
20140404 02:36:43< sachith500> my idea is to have normal stats for the default option
20140404 02:37:03< sachith500> and if you click either left or right you get the cumulative probabilities
20140404 02:37:22< sachith500> having both on the same page probably won't work?
20140404 02:37:29< sachith500> because of slow/swarm
20140404 02:37:52< sachith500> hmm I wonder how the damage calc looks for units like mu
20140404 02:38:10< shadowm> I _think_ I understand, but no, we don't have anything fancy like that.
20140404 02:38:18< sachith500> hmm
20140404 02:38:21< shadowm> We don't have any sort of paging widget in either GUI1 or GUI2 yet, really.
20140404 02:38:36< sachith500> drop down?
20140404 02:38:39< sachith500> maybe?
20140404 02:39:08< shadowm> If you check in-game Menu → Status Table, you will notice that for switching information pages we tend to use ugly hacks like having a button to act on in the implementation of the dialog instance.
20140404 02:39:26< shadowm> (The More/Back button there.)
20140404 02:39:44< sachith500> ahh right
20140404 02:40:11< shadowm> We do have a combobox widget in GUI1 that implements a drop-down menu, but from what I gather that's probably not suitable for your use case.
20140404 02:40:35< sachith500> hmm ok
20140404 02:40:45< shadowm> (Examples: Preferences → Advancwed → Compressed saves, and the player side setup screen in MP games.)
20140404 02:41:33< sachith500> maybe I a checkbox?
20140404 02:44:09< sachith500> like selecting full screen basically redraws everything right? maybe I can have it redraw the graph
20140404 02:50:24< sachith500> well I'm off for now. I'll check out the viable options
20140404 02:50:27< sachith500> thanks for your help! :D
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20140404 04:26:48< iceiceice> oh shadowm: i learned a funny thing from the players actually, which seems related to 21755
20140404 04:26:53< iceiceice> wesbot: bug #21755
20140404 04:26:53< wesbot> Bug #21755  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20140404 04:26:53< wesbot> Summary: make chat history a smart (drag-selectable and copyable) text box
20140404 04:26:56< wesbot> Original submission: Actually in my view the main purpose of this would be to 
20140404 04:26:59< wesbot> allow players to chat hyperlinks to eachother. As a possibly easier alternative,
20140404 04:27:02< wesbot> URL: http://gna.org/bugs/?21755
20140404 04:27:17< iceiceice> so apparently when players want to send a hyperlink, the way to do it is to set a label on the ground
20140404 04:27:24< iceiceice> because you can copy and paste from the edit label dialog
20140404 04:27:56< iceiceice> i've even been in games where someone gave control to an observer for 10s so they could share a hyperlink
20140404 04:28:00< shadowm> Clever.
20140404 04:28:46< iceiceice> i wonder how hard it would be to frankenstein that functionality onto some of the other text widgets
20140404 04:29:04< shadowm> Text widgets already support clipboard functions since ages.
20140404 04:29:26< iceiceice> but not the :inspect dialog
20140404 04:29:27< shadowm> The only problem is that since they are all single-line, they are unusable for the chat log.
20140404 04:29:42< shadowm> (The widgets, not the clipboard functions.)
20140404 04:29:47< iceiceice> hmm but how different are clipboard functions really for a multiline thing
20140404 04:30:08< shadowm> Identical. You just throw text at copy_to_clipboard() in any form and it'll work.
20140404 04:30:29< iceiceice> that's what i figured, so it would probably be easy to make these other things do that
20140404 04:30:31< shadowm> That's how gui2/twml_error allows you to copy a full reprot.
20140404 04:30:34< shadowm> report.
20140404 04:31:17< shadowm> iceiceice: Well, gui2/twml_error works around the lack of a multiline textbox by having a dedicated additional button to copy the whole text to clipboard.
20140404 04:31:39< shadowm> Sounds useful for :inspect? Yes, by all means.
20140404 04:31:43< shadowm> But this happened: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21371130/screenshots/gui2-tooltip-glitch.png
20140404 04:32:16< iceiceice> ok i have no idea what happened there
20140404 04:32:30< shadowm> I moved the mouse over the clipboard button.
20140404 04:33:13< iceiceice> so, the single line text edit widgets don't have this clipboard button, they actually let you drag select text and use hotkeys
20140404 04:33:19< shadowm> It has a tooltip attached, so that caused the GUI2 tooltip code path to be triggered. But tooltips are (currently) implemented in a problematic way that interfers with other functionality that doesn't try to be a good neighbor.
20140404 04:33:35< iceiceice> what's the hard part for multiline, its just hard to make drag select work?
20140404 04:33:38< shadowm> Map labels and chat lines are those assholish neighbors.
20140404 04:33:57< iceiceice> i see
20140404 04:34:13< shadowm> iceiceice: The hard part for multiline is writing a widget.
20140404 04:34:28< iceiceice> ok maybe i'm using the term widget wrong then
20140404 04:34:42< shadowm> If GUI2 didn't make implementing widgets an overly convoluted chore then I would have already tried to write a multiline textbox widget.
20140404 04:35:27< iceiceice> is something like this appropriate as an "easy coding task"?
20140404 04:35:30< shadowm> (Or a combobox. Or a pagination widget.)
20140404 04:35:46< iceiceice> or a "not so easy coding task"?
20140404 04:36:14< shadowm> I don't know, GUI2's innards look demotivatingly intimidating to me, and I abhor the design involved in widget implementations.
20140404 04:36:39< shadowm> Someone saw fit to make widget implementations depend on two or three separate translation units instead of having it all neatly tied together in the same unit.
20140404 04:37:06< shadowm> That reeks of creeping modularity to me.
20140404 04:38:23< shadowm> GUI2 dialogs have a single unit, so they are more accessible to me and my tastes.
20140404 04:39:25< shadowm> Anyway, I may go back to that :inspect patch 'soon' and simply make do without the tooltip.
20140404 04:40:15< shadowm> It's actually like three patches, in fact, because the current way WML is serialized in :inspect is far from useful.
20140404 04:40:47< shadowm> But they are mostly trivial, because our WML writer (which is far superior compared to config::debug()) only needs an ostream.
20140404 04:41:09< shadowm> Will it land in 1.12? It's very likely.
20140404 04:41:30< shadowm> But I'm currently in a small break from coding, and also ill.
20140404 04:41:50< iceiceice> ah i'm sorry to hear it
20140404 04:41:53< iceiceice> hope that you recover
20140404 04:41:54< shadowm> At times I feel light-headed and I'd rather not break something spectacularly that way.
20140404 04:41:57< iceiceice> soon
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20140404 08:44:04< Elvish_Hunter> Hi all
20140404 08:45:48< lipkab> Hi Elvish_Hunter.
20140404 08:45:58< Elvish_Hunter> Hi lipk
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20140404 08:47:20< Elvish_Hunter> So, I'm about to push the [elseif] feature. Let's see if I understood correctly how to create branches and pull requests...
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20140404 09:02:17< irker191> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:elseif_branch 2cff4662e24c / data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Added [elseif] support, Lua part. Also included sanity checks for missing [then] http://git.io/mM3lbw
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20140404 09:02:19< irker191> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:elseif_branch c81530509f58 / src/storyscreen/ (controller.cpp part.cpp): Added [elseif] support, C++ part. This includes the missing [then] checks http://git.io/gnBsJw
20140404 09:02:21< irker191> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:elseif_branch cf55cf84e6f4 / data/lua/wml-tags.lua: [while]: added sanity checks for missing [do] tags http://git.io/86yPGg
20140404 09:02:23< irker191> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:elseif_branch 7e4beb863032 / data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Get rid of obsolete if_while_handler function http://git.io/PMp6KA
20140404 09:02:25< irker191> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:elseif_branch df3063ed7060 / data/lua/wml-tags.lua: [switch]: implemented checks for missing [case], variable= and value=, Lua part http://git.io/Lx6KjQ
20140404 09:02:27< irker191> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:elseif_branch 8d73d0ced0f7 / src/storyscreen/ (controller.cpp part.cpp): [switch]: implemented checks for missing [case], variable= and value=, C++ part http://git.io/C4rABQ
20140404 09:02:29< irker191> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:elseif_branch 2caf68aa4b44 / changelog: Changelog entries for my series of commits http://git.io/cOW8lA
20140404 09:02:31< irker191> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:elseif_branch 0aa53a06ccee / / (14 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'elseif_branch' of github.com:wesnoth/wesnoth-old into elseif_branc http://git.io/vy9qKQ
20140404 09:03:43< Elvish_Hunter> OK, it seems that everything went well. Now I'll try the pull request.
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20140404 09:13:01< Elvish_Hunter> Pull request completed. Let's see how the travis build will go...
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20140404 09:25:15< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth#2217 (elseif_branch - 9d35946 : gfgtdf): The build passed.
20140404 09:25:15< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/22252622
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20140404 09:27:34< Elvish_Hunter> Yay! Now, on to merge the branch...
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20140404 09:31:24< Elvish_Hunter> Wait... that was the build before my commits, wasn't it?
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20140404 09:43:56< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth#2218 (elseif_branch - 0aa53a0 : Elvish_Hunter): The build passed.
20140404 09:43:56< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/22253389
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20140404 09:46:27< janebot> Wesnoth Forums | Developers’ Discussions • Re: Suggestion: keep backwards compatibility by Elvish_Hunter [ 04-04-2014 09:43 ] [ http://r.wesnoth.org/p569026 ]
20140404 09:47:17< irker191> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master 2cff4662e24c / data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Added [elseif] support, Lua part. Also included sanity checks for missing [then] http://git.io/mM3lbw
20140404 09:47:19< irker191> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master c81530509f58 / src/storyscreen/ (controller.cpp part.cpp): Added [elseif] support, C++ part. This includes the missing [then] checks http://git.io/gnBsJw
20140404 09:47:21< irker191> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master cf55cf84e6f4 / data/lua/wml-tags.lua: [while]: added sanity checks for missing [do] tags http://git.io/86yPGg
20140404 09:47:23< irker191> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master 7e4beb863032 / data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Get rid of obsolete if_while_handler function http://git.io/PMp6KA
20140404 09:47:25< irker191> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master df3063ed7060 / data/lua/wml-tags.lua: [switch]: implemented checks for missing [case], variable= and value=, Lua part http://git.io/Lx6KjQ
20140404 09:47:27< irker191> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master 8d73d0ced0f7 / src/storyscreen/ (controller.cpp part.cpp): [switch]: implemented checks for missing [case], variable= and value=, C++ part http://git.io/C4rABQ
20140404 09:47:29< irker191> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master 2caf68aa4b44 / changelog: Changelog entries for my series of commits http://git.io/cOW8lA
20140404 09:47:31< irker191> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master 0aa53a06ccee / / (14 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'elseif_branch' of github.com:wesnoth/wesnoth-old into elseif_branc http://git.io/vy9qKQ
20140404 09:47:33< irker191> wesnoth: Elvish-Hunter wesnoth:master ea5d2193297e / / (4 files in 3 dirs): Merge pull request #137 from wesnoth/elseif_branch http://git.io/iYlW_A
20140404 09:49:12< Elvish_Hunter> And now, to delete my branch...
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20140404 09:54:20< Elvish_Hunter> Branch deleted.
20140404 09:55:08< Elvish_Hunter> Now to update the wiki...
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20140404 10:29:01< Elvish_Hunter> And now the wiki is updated as well.
20140404 10:29:30< Elvish_Hunter> Well then, now I have to go. Bye!
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20140404 13:16:13< mattsc> Hey all.
20140404 13:18:23< mattsc> I’m in the process of upgrading pango/cairo for the OS X builds.  I noticed that there are much fewer modules for the new pango version (1.8.0 - not sure if that’s the version number of pango or just of the modules) than there were in 1.6.0 which was previously used in Xcode.
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20140404 13:19:25< mattsc> Does anybody know if this is going to be a problem for Wesnoth?  Has stuff been bundled into fewer libraries, or do I need to get other language files from somewhere else?
20140404 13:39:21< mattsc> Ah, yes, just to follow up on the versions:  pango-querymodules (pango) 1.36.3, module interface version: 1.8.0
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20140404 14:20:55< Rhonda> "Domain Validated Wildcard SSL Certificate" is what we can get from globalsign - sounds extremely useful.  :)
20140404 14:21:20< Rhonda> Especially the "Wildcard" part.
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20140404 14:24:49< AI0867> it does
20140404 14:26:28< Rhonda> Will process that in the next few days, am currently in a crypto hardening workshop anyway, so hopefully I create a proper certificate. ;)
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20140404 15:15:32< Rhonda> Soliton: Disabled SSLv3 in our webserver.
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20140404 15:39:40< gfgtdf> what is the difference between "Severity" and "Priority"  in the gna bugtracker?
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20140404 15:53:07< Rhonda> gfgtdf: severity is how serious the issue is, priority is for developers to set for when they want to work on it.
20140404 15:53:12< Rhonda> But it's rather semantic.
20140404 15:53:34< gfgtdf> Rhonda: is there any case when they are different ?
20140404 16:00:01< Rhonda> I just gave you a general response - no clue how it's used within the wesoth project, sorry. :)
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20140404 16:09:08< zookeeper> gfgtdf, well i doubt there should be any issues which are severe but low priority, but i guess less severe issues can be high priority for some reason
20140404 16:09:53< zookeeper> i consider severity to mean how largely it breaks the game (so crashes tend to be the most severe...)
20140404 16:10:43< Ivanovic> gfgtdf: just check the available options
20140404 16:10:45< zookeeper> maybe some scenario or art issue could be not-so-severe but still high priority if it needs to get fixed ASAP for a release or whatever
20140404 16:11:04< Ivanovic> severity ranks the bug (e.g. it can be marked as "blocker" for a release)
20140404 16:11:14< Ivanovic> priority just how soon someone should work on it
20140404 16:12:45< gfgtdf> Ivanovic: but i just cannot think of a situation where a "Blocker" should be fixed "Later" or a "Wish" shoul be omplemented "Immediate"
20140404 16:13:19< Ivanovic> gfgtdf: honestly, the only value which i really see as relevant is severity
20140404 16:13:25< Ivanovic> the rest is for single devs
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20140404 16:47:10< mattsc> To those of you who, unlike me, understand fonts and aesthetics, which of these two looks worse: http://imagebin.org/303814  http://imagebin.org/303817
20140404 16:47:33< mattsc> And yes, they both look crappy, that’s not the question.
20140404 16:48:06< mattsc> And the main question, is there anything that can be done about it in terms of font rendering?
20140404 16:48:35< Ivanovic> IMO this one looks less crappy: http://imagebin.org/303814 
20140404 16:49:24< vultraz> I say 303917 looks less crappy
20140404 16:49:30< mattsc> Ivanovic: okay - that’s with the updated pango (for OS X) - it also contains symbols for languages that weren’t there before (e.g. Shavian English), so that by itself is good.
20140404 16:49:31< vultraz> 303817*
20140404 16:49:57< mattsc> 1:1 now  :)
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20140404 16:50:33< Ivanovic> and noy does not want to hurt your feelings, that is why he left
20140404 16:50:46< mattsc> Yeah, I figured.
20140404 16:52:04< vultraz> mattsc: take, for example, the Language header in 14. The letters are way too thick and looks like they have semi-transparent edges
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20140404 16:53:28< mattsc> vultraz: yeah, agreed
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20140404 16:54:02< mattsc> Well, the things is 303814 is wht we’re going to get if we use the previous settings with the new pango libs
20140404 16:54:14< mattsc> So the question is, is there anything that can be done about this?
20140404 16:54:29< vultraz> 17 seems to have more aa on the letters overall as opposed to 14
20140404 16:54:52< vultraz> But 14 seems generally bigger
20140404 16:55:00< mattsc> I know that there was a discussion about fonts here a few weeks ago, but I forgot who was involved.  shadowm, I think.
20140404 16:55:54< mattsc> vultraz: I agree with all those observations - now what can be done about that?  (thinking)
20140404 16:56:20< vultraz> Well. I have no idea about it but..can't you change the settings
20140404 16:56:31< mattsc> The upgrade to the new pango/cairo needs to happens, it’s _way_ overdue.
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20140404 16:57:03< mattsc> vultraz: probably.  But what settings?  As I said, I’ve never dealt with fonts before.
20140404 16:57:18< vultraz> Me neither 
20140404 16:57:32< vultraz> I always took it for granted :/
20140404 16:57:41< mattsc> yeah
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20140404 16:58:36< mattsc> Well, the good thing is I got it working in general (it wasn’t exactly straightforward).  Fine-tuning can happen over time …
20140404 16:59:06< vultraz> Are these libs for maccompilestuff?
20140404 16:59:17< mattsc> Yes
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20140404 17:03:25< shadowm> mattsc: I heard you were talking about fonts.
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20140404 17:04:05< shadowm> 13:48:34 <Ivanovic> IMO this one looks less crappy: http://imagebin.org/303814
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20140404 17:04:13< mattsc> shadowm: indeed.  Asking for advice how to make fonts look slightly less crappy after a pango update.
20140404 17:04:13< shadowm> The key word here is "opinion".
20140404 17:04:38< mattsc> of course
20140404 17:04:48< shadowm> Everyone has different opinions about font antialiasing configurations between different platforms, monitors, and eyesight. Don't even try to find a one-size-fits-all solution.
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20140404 17:05:07< shadowm> If in doubt, just let the platform (which usually takes user input) decide for you.
20140404 17:05:23< shadowm> mattsc: As for the crappiness affecting that dialog in particular, it's partly my fault.
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20140404 17:06:32< shadowm> The problem described in f28e74c0bd125929c0a2dddd7544f40b2daaf6e4 also affects some specific instances of ttoggle_button since e992f4eb847679aa0aa87e4ada3f4950aee33e00 .
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20140404 17:07:11< shadowm> I haven't yet decided what to do about it and whether to tell mordante and/or just go with the workaround.
20140404 17:08:25< mattsc> shadowm: I see
20140404 17:08:45< mattsc> So what are the parameters that I could play with here (assuming there are some)?
20140404 17:09:19< anonymissimus> shadowm: what happens with existing tables once the tables feature in the forums is deactivated again, do they turn into their code when displayed ?
20140404 17:09:36< anonymissimus> or will it stay somehow ?
20140404 17:09:56< mattsc> I am including the default fontconfig.h, so I assume I can influence things a bit with that.
20140404 17:10:27< shadowm> anonymissimus: As with any other bbcode, they turn into plain text.
20140404 17:10:28< mattsc> And I understand that the only thing that might work is my trying it, so if that’s the case, just tell me to go away.
20140404 17:12:17< shadowm> mattsc: First, there's the workaround for the specific issue affecting the Language dialog: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21371130/junk/gui2-ttoggle_button-alpha-bg-glitch-workaround.diff
20140404 17:13:26< shadowm> Second, around src/text.cpp line 123 there's the configuration we request for Cairo.
20140404 17:14:17< shadowm> The relevant APIs are cairo_font_options_set_hint_style() and cairo_font_options_set_antialias() (the latter is currently only overridden on Windows due to the issue described in the comment block under #ifdef _WIN32).
20140404 17:14:51< shadowm> This only affects GUI2 and other elements using ttext (Pango/Cairo wrapper) for rendering text.
20140404 17:17:28< mattsc> shadowm: okay - I’ll look into that later.  At the moment, I still have bigger problems to deal with.
20140404 17:17:36< mattsc> Thanks for the information.
20140404 17:19:45< shadowm> mattsc: I presume you took the two screenshots by changing your system preferences.
20140404 17:19:48< mattsc> For example, why is the libpixman dylib still being linked on from the system, rather than the framework.  :P
20140404 17:20:41< mattsc> shadowm: no, the pango/cairo libs are included in the OS X packages.
20140404 17:21:19< mattsc> So the “old” one is from 1.11.12, the new one is with my current test version.
20140404 17:21:29< shadowm> Which is the old one?
20140404 17:21:36< mattsc> 17
20140404 17:21:50< shadowm> Right, that doesn't look like full hinting to me.
20140404 17:22:12< mattsc> hinting in this case means?
20140404 17:22:18< mattsc> *in this context
20140404 17:22:19< shadowm> I guess the old version might have ignored the cairo_font_options_set_hint_style() call or interpreted it in an unusual way.
20140404 17:22:48< shadowm> mattsc: In layman's terms, it'd be smoothness vs. sharpness.
20140404 17:23:30< mattsc> okay (I’ll looke it up sometime later; I bet it’s easy to find information on it on the interwebs)
20140404 17:23:52< shadowm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Font_hinting
20140404 17:23:56< mattsc> As I said, right now I’m still working on making all of this work in general.
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20140404 17:24:24< shadowm> Slight hinting produces smoother rounded glyphs (for my eyes they look blurry/smudgy).
20140404 17:24:36< shadowm> Fuller hinting produces sharper glyphs.
20140404 17:25:20< mattsc> I see
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20140404 17:25:41< shadowm> Microsoft Windows users are historically accustomed to full hinting with sharp angular glyphs, but Mac OS/OS X people are accustomed to highly-visible smooth glyphs.
20140404 17:26:33< shadowm> I started using PCs before antialiasing was even a thing, so the Windows approach feels more natural to me.
20140404 17:27:24< mattsc> Yeah, me too, but I’ve been on Macs for so many years now that I guess I’ve gotten used to that approach.
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20140404 17:31:14< mattsc> shadowm: thanks for all the information.  I’ll play with all this once I got everything else working in general.
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20140404 17:50:40< aquileia> mordante, demiurgos: Well, as my num_box widget is a dependency for my YAMG dialog and I'm waiting for a response concerning num_box, I'm currently not working on YAMG either...
20140404 17:50:51< aquileia> demiurgos: If you want to fix YAMG instead of me, no objections ;)
20140404 17:51:12< aquileia> AI0867: No idea why travis built it without a hitch if the encoding of the tests was invalid, but thanks for fixing it
20140404 17:51:19< aquileia> adityapande: If yo could provide more information about your VC12 compiling problem, I might be able to fix it - the two files it can't open correctly are part of externalVC12.zip, so there has to be some other error...
20140404 17:51:28< aquileia> 21:03 <mordante> Dugi, if would be possible to make a generic tslider_ class inheriting from tscroll_bar_
20140404 17:51:35< aquileia> mordante: If you were to redo the sliders... vertical sliders would be nice for the YAMG dialog as well
20140404 17:53:16< aquileia> I'd do it myself, but after all the num_box issues I'm not too sure I want to continue with widget creation after that...
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20140404 17:59:21< aquileia> oh and by the way... is there a wiki page on [tooltip] and [helptip] from GUI2?
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20140404 19:30:15< Ivanovic> okay, looks as if the internet connection at my parents place has some serious issues right now which i won't be able to check before the easter weekend...
20140404 19:30:32< Ivanovic> in case you want to reach or message me better send me an email!
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20140404 22:40:44< shadowm> wesbot: seen ettin
20140404 22:40:45< wesbot> shadowm: Sorry, I don't know of ettin.
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20140404 22:54:38 * crimson_penguin knows of ettin, but hasn't seen him
20140404 23:05:41< shadowm> Well, I emailed him anyway.
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