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20140410 00:28:47< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i have a bug that appeard in mp campaigns that side 2 cannot move in the seconds scenario
20140410 00:29:25< gfgtdf> iceiceice: that could take a while.
20140410 00:29:45< iceiceice> good thing you found it
20140410 00:30:07< iceiceice> its on master right now?
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20140410 00:32:15< gfgtdf> iceiceice: idk i have foudn it on master + pr141
20140410 00:32:30< gfgtdf> would be nice if soneone could test weather thats also teh case on current master
20140410 00:32:35< iceiceice> ok i will do so
20140410 00:32:39< iceiceice> what campaign were you using?
20140410 00:32:43< iceiceice> LoW?
20140410 00:32:46< iceiceice> or a umc one
20140410 00:32:50< gfgtdf> LoW
20140410 00:32:53< iceiceice> ok
20140410 00:33:08< iceiceice> will look at that in a bit, got to finish what i am doing
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20140410 00:45:04< gfgtdf> 	iceiceice: it seems liek the currently active side somehow went into play_network_turn
20140410 00:45:06< gfgtdf> like*
20140410 00:46:57< iceiceice> what does :controller say?
20140410 00:47:09< iceiceice> :controller [arg] tells you the controller type of side [arg]
20140410 00:47:13< iceiceice> i added for debugging purposes
20140410 00:47:38< iceiceice> if that is messed up somehow then it could very well be related to my changes
20140410 00:47:51< gfgtdf> network on both sides
20140410 00:47:56< iceiceice> :O
20140410 00:48:41< iceiceice> ok i will test... if you want to see what is happening i guess best thign is probably turn on full debugging on the server side
20140410 00:48:50< iceiceice> and see what the level_ it is recieving from the host is
20140410 00:48:56< iceiceice> and what tweaks it is performing
20140410 00:49:19< iceiceice> it might be that the host sends something strange in a campaign continuation?
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20140410 00:49:29< iceiceice> will look at this shortly
20140410 00:49:46< iceiceice> i have to compile master though
20140410 00:50:56< gfgtdf> iceiceice: how does sides work? at the beginning al sides are controlled by teh host and then teh server reassigns it durign game ?
20140410 00:51:18< iceiceice> previously:
20140410 00:51:23< iceiceice> the host would set sides however would make sense for it,
20140410 00:51:31< iceiceice> then the server would basically synchronize it
20140410 00:51:44< iceiceice> during the play_campaign.cpp file, "clients" would perform "tweaks"
20140410 00:51:56< iceiceice> if they saw a human controlled side that matches their name, they would make it theirs
20140410 00:52:04< iceiceice> if they saw an ai side they would make it network
20140410 00:52:16< iceiceice> empty would stay empty, and evertyhing else woudl be network
20140410 00:52:24< iceiceice> i think thats what it was anyways
20140410 00:52:56< iceiceice> anyways that was pretty gross so now the server handles all of this when start game is clicked, it should systematically tell everyone what the appropriate controller types are
20140410 00:53:17< iceiceice> using a similar code path to change_controller, except refactored so it works before game state
20140410 00:53:19< iceiceice> game start
20140410 00:54:05< iceiceice> i have not carefully examined what the levels look like that a host generates e.g. at second scenario of LoW though
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20140410 00:56:03< travis-ci> [travis-ci] gfgtdf/wesnoth-old#79 (syncin12 - ce48589 : gfgtdf): The build passed.
20140410 00:56:03< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/gfgtdf/wesnoth-old/builds/22654982
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20140410 00:56:32< gfgtdf> iceiceice: ^ my the pr 121 on 1.12 branch 
20140410 00:57:03< gfgtdf> iceiceice: taht controller changes should be present in replays ?
20140410 00:57:32< iceiceice> they should occur before replays begin to be processed
20140410 00:58:01< iceiceice> they now happen earlier than they used to in the cycle i think
20140410 00:58:09< iceiceice> but not much earlier
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20140410 01:01:48< gfgtdf> iceiceice: when i try to use conreoll 4 asd, the server tells me that thats die is already owned by that player and it calls me silly
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20140410 01:24:51< irker094> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master 6f40ed8046c1 / data/ai/micro_ais/scenarios/ (animals.cfg bottleneck_defense.cfg wolves.cfg): Micro AIs: use new fight_on_without_leader= key as needed http://git.io/ipyt_A
20140410 01:24:53< irker094> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master 7fc8e9797b76 / data/ai/micro_ais/cas/ (23 files): Micro AIs: avoid code duplication between eval and exec functions http://git.io/_4_GIw
20140410 01:39:22< irker094> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:1.12 33e4c648136a / data/ai/micro_ais/scenarios/ (animals.cfg bottleneck_defense.cfg wolves.cfg): Micro AIs: use new fight_on_without_leader= key as needed http://git.io/mDTEvg
20140410 01:39:24< irker094> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:1.12 1e804e29168e / data/ai/micro_ais/cas/ (23 files): Micro AIs: avoid code duplication between eval and exec functions http://git.io/LDumBQ
20140410 01:40:36< mattsc> iceiceice: ^  I had to add fight_on_without_leader= keys to 3 scenarios, after they they worked as desired.
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20140410 01:47:30< mattsc> iceiceice: left you a message 7 minutes ago
20140410 01:47:39< iceiceice> y i see it
20140410 01:47:43< iceiceice> if it works then great :)
20140410 01:47:51< mattsc> agreed  :)
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20140410 02:10:47< iceiceice> hmm i have noticed a strange bug in master now:
20140410 02:10:52< iceiceice> all the ai sides are named my name 
20140410 02:10:56< iceiceice> i wonder why...
20140410 02:11:05< iceiceice> gfgtdf do you get that also?
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20140410 02:20:35< iceiceice> gfgtdf: i also get assertion crash and failure in the same failure
20140410 02:20:45< iceiceice> if you have an observer who watches the campaign
20140410 02:21:02< iceiceice> wesnoth: src/replay.cpp:594: config *replay::add_command(): Assertion `pos_ == ncommands()' failed.
20140410 02:21:20< iceiceice> it looked like the observing client didnt understand that the campaign had proceeded to the next game
20140410 02:22:51< iceiceice> s/in the same failure/in the same scenario
20140410 02:23:03< iceiceice> just as we transition to the second scenario
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20140410 02:26:52< gfgtdf> iceiceice: can you tell me whe n oyu get that assertion error ?
20140410 02:27:02< iceiceice> i got it on observer
20140410 02:27:08< iceiceice> just after others transitioned to campaign 2
20140410 02:27:10< gfgtdf> iceiceice: did teh observer entered chat ?
20140410 02:27:19< iceiceice> i had to click through message dialogs in the scenario
20140410 02:27:28< iceiceice> but then it gave me a large nubmer of oos about leader recruiting
20140410 02:27:40< iceiceice> i think it was tryign to process the scenario 2 events while still in scenario 1
20140410 02:27:51< iceiceice> it gavel ike 50 oos then assertion failure
20140410 02:28:23< iceiceice> no chats
20140410 02:28:36< iceiceice> i think there was a server message about "whiteboard" problems,
20140410 02:28:41< iceiceice> most likely stemmign from the bug that you reported
20140410 02:28:47< gfgtdf> iceiceice: ye i also had teh message about whiteboard
20140410 02:29:02< iceiceice> i will try to figure out what is wrong with the controller types
20140410 02:30:14< gfgtdf> when exaclty did the messagea begin ? after all the message which happend in the start event or after? 
20140410 02:30:20< gfgtdf> the OOS messages
20140410 02:30:32< gfgtdf> before or aftewr i mean
20140410 02:30:36< gfgtdf> iceiceice: ^
20140410 02:30:51< iceiceice> its difficult to know
20140410 02:30:59< iceiceice> the observer did not transition to the second scenario
20140410 02:31:08< iceiceice> it stayed on the first scenario
20140410 02:31:13< iceiceice> then reported oos and crashed
20140410 02:31:15< gfgtdf> 	iceiceice: oh
20140410 02:33:13< gfgtdf> 	iceiceice: did you test where observing mp campaign work on 1.11.12 ?
20140410 02:33:32< iceiceice> no idea
20140410 02:33:42< iceiceice> i'm going to try to fix the controller types and think about observers after it
20140410 02:34:28< gfgtdf> 	iceiceice: i'll test
20140410 02:39:59< gfgtdf> iceiceice: observing on 1.12 works
20140410 02:40:17< iceiceice> ok
20140410 02:41:08< iceiceice> i guess could try to test it just after PR 121 also if you want, but i am going to do a big debug dump now and see what is going on
20140410 02:41:21< iceiceice> so i guess we will know soon enough
20140410 02:46:47< gfgtdf> 	iceiceice: i dnt get error with observers, so maybe 141 fixed that.
20140410 02:47:08< iceiceice> im getting differnt behavior when i use debug mode ...
20140410 02:47:15< gfgtdf> oh
20140410 02:47:29< iceiceice> that is not good :O
20140410 02:47:34< gfgtdf> you means wesnoths debug mode or real debugging ?
20140410 02:47:39< iceiceice> i mean wesnoth --debug
20140410 02:47:58< gfgtdf> so you only get observer error in debug mode ?
20140410 02:47:59< iceiceice> the first time i just killed the right orc in about 3 turns with lots of archers, that was whent he observer bug happened
20140410 02:48:09< iceiceice> the second time i tried to reproduce in debug mode
20140410 02:48:14< iceiceice> and someting totally different happeened,
20140410 02:48:26< iceiceice> in that case the P1 moves to campaign configuration screen
20140410 02:48:28< iceiceice> and P2 does not 
20140410 02:48:36< iceiceice> and get stuck that way
20140410 02:49:00< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i think when teh non host clicks end scenario before teh host then side 2 gets to teh lobby
20140410 02:49:00< iceiceice> going to reboot though, i think my server may have stopped working, it had a port issue it said
20140410 02:49:10< iceiceice> brb i have to reboot
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20140410 02:49:18< gfgtdf> i go to sleep
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20140410 03:20:56< iceiceice> ok heres what i find
20140410 03:21:29< iceiceice> 1.) campaigns no longer work in debug mode, the 2nd client doesnt enter the mp_wait dialog, while the host is waiting for them to take the reserved spot
20140410 03:22:14< iceiceice> 2.) if you do you don't use debug mode, it seems to work for the players, but the observer doesnt transition to the next scenario properly and gets oos as soon as someone ends their turn, seeming to process commands of second secnario in first
20140410 03:22:17< iceiceice> gfgtdf: ^^
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20140410 03:58:51< shadowm_desktop> Gah.
20140410 03:59:18< shadowm> iceiceice: Why is this using the DevFeature1.11 template? http://wiki.wesnoth.org/index.php?title=SideWML&diff=54629&oldid=54316
20140410 03:59:57< iceiceice> because it is in 1.11 = 1.12 and 1.13?
20140410 03:59:57< shadowm> Everyone: documentation for features landing on master MUST use the DevFeature1.13 template, not DevFeature1.13!
20140410 04:00:05< shadowm> *not DevFeature1.11
20140410 04:00:17< shadowm> iceiceice: ... It's not in 1.12, is it?
20140410 04:00:42< iceiceice> shadowm, yes you can read any emails or PRs or logs about check_victory to learn why
20140410 04:01:04< shadowm> Was this discussed in the mailing list?
20140410 04:01:35< iceiceice> yes it is item 2 of my reasons why we should not make a release candidate this weekend
20140410 04:01:37< shadowm> Oh, buried deep in the blanket thread.
20140410 04:02:06< shadowm> Reason #82 why I hate mailing lists.
20140410 04:02:32< shadowm> iceiceice: Okay, but please do use the parametric form of the template.
20140410 04:02:36< iceiceice> ok well i dont know how i could possibly have been more vocal as i twisted back and forth in the wind aobut what to do about this issue
20140410 04:02:42< iceiceice> ok
20140410 04:03:01< shadowm> Yes and I was, you know, sick and unable to pay attention to Wesnoth stuff.
20140410 04:03:43< shadowm> Re template: form post version: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=39830
20140410 04:03:54< shadowm> Wiki version: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/DevFeature
20140410 04:04:20< shadowm> I spent an absurd amount of time and effort to make it wrong, so please don't let it go to waste. :)
20140410 04:05:02< shadowm> (Time: 5 minutes; effort: one PHP line addition, a few additional lines of wiki markup, plus documentation.)
20140410 04:06:03< iceiceice> ok i will correct the devfeature tag
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20140410 04:35:51< iceiceice> gfgtdf: it looks like the stuff about OOS was not introduced by PR 121
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20140410 04:53:36< iceiceice> gfgtdf: it was introduced by my server controller tweaks, i will try to figure out what happened...
20140410 04:53:53< iceiceice> think i found some preexisting bugs though in 1.12 about campaigns anyways though
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20140410 08:20:46< Sulfur> Are there any plans to add these units to the mainline (not multiplayer faction): http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=566784#p566784 ?
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20140410 08:28:03< zookeeper> Sulfur, which ones?
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20140410 08:29:15< Sulfur> The sultan, dragon rider and the line of the akif-look-alike. They do look very promising, in my opinion
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20140410 08:30:39< zookeeper> no idea
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20140410 08:37:56< zookeeper> but i doubt it, as long as the rest are WIP
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20140410 09:13:09< irker604> wesnoth: Kevin_Xi wesnoth:master 841284881a97 / data/core/about.cfg src/ai/testing/ca.cpp: fix minor bug in get_healing_phase http://git.io/HcwldA
20140410 09:13:11< irker604> wesnoth: Iurii Chernyi wesnoth:master 47b4f52c9e3d / data/core/about.cfg src/ai/testing/ca.cpp: Merge pull request #143 from Kevin-Xi/bugfix http://git.io/kbIVeg
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20140410 09:49:53< irker604> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 165210d8a382 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/01_At_the_East_Gate.cfg: THoT S1: improved a sentence http://git.io/XDcdJg
20140410 09:51:35< irker604> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 8a80c370fe9a / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/02_Reclaiming_the_Past.cfg: THoT S2: added mission period http://git.io/jWMn7Q
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20140410 09:57:05< irker604> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 3ec612b0637d / data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/06a_In_the_Tunnels_of_Trolls.cfg: UtBS S6a: fixed typo in comment http://git.io/P6FO0w
20140410 09:57:12< vultraz> !log b58d40d9fb8e9942591604b02b26f15343899f9b
20140410 09:57:13< shikadibot> vultraz: Revision b58d40d9fb8e (Boldizsár Lipka) on Wed Feb 26 15:52:01 2014:
20140410 09:57:16< shikadibot> vultraz: Remove an unnecessary include.
20140410 09:57:19< shikadibot> vultraz: Web interface URL: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/b58d40d9fb8e
20140410 09:58:56< vultraz> !log 74991da8aefad26c3745ee9dd508343e93431ce2
20140410 09:58:57< shikadibot> vultraz: Revision 74991da8aefa (Simon Forsyth) on Sun Mar 17 19:05:39 2013:
20140410 09:59:00< shikadibot> vultraz: Assorted grammar and spelling corrections
20140410 09:59:03< shikadibot> vultraz: Web interface URL: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/74991da8aefa
20140410 10:00:20< vultraz> Does anyone know if this suggestion is correct? http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SpellingMistakes#Two_Brothers
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20140410 10:21:04< AI0867> 18:31 < Necrosporus> AI0867, maybe then Wesnoth should throw warning, if locale is not supported? ← you mean wesnoth should check the codepage? I thought we were talking about the general case by now
20140410 10:21:13< AI0867> and do you mean on windows or on *nix?
20140410 10:22:10< AI0867> on windows, CP65001 might work using the ANSI interface, but the reliable way to do it is to use UTF-16 w/ the Wide interface. And the portable way to do that is to get a library that does this for you
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20140410 10:22:28< AI0867> Necrosporus_: tengwar is planned for the next version of unicode
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20140410 10:23:39< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/22680082
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20140410 10:24:06< AI0867> "tengwar is not present in UTF-8 currently" ← 'unicode' is the "universal character set", which contains codepoints for damn near everything. 'UTF-whatever' is a "UCS transformation format", which maps codepoints to bytestreams
20140410 10:24:37< Necrosporus> AI0867, true, and as boost is already a dependency it probably should be it unless there are unsolvable problems. 
20140410 10:25:19< AI0867> 18:58 < aquileia> AI0867: Your branch still shows the unfortunate behaviour when the installation directory contains non-ASCII characters: most images aren't loaded  correctly and thus the bug persists ← if this happens to to images but not to WML, then that sounds like the SDL image loading functions screw up/get fed the wrong data
20140410 10:25:28< AI0867> thank you, this is useful information
20140410 10:26:07< Necrosporus> I mean on nix, if LC_CTYPE is something like lang_LANG.non-utf-codepage then wesnoth should throw a warning as it isn't going to respect the codepage but use utf-8
20140410 10:26:11< AI0867> 19:24 < iceiceice> AI0867 wrote that there are other ways for a side to get a leader from WML besides unstoring
20140410 10:27:04< AI0867> yes, you can simply use a [unit] in an event, or in a [side] tag, or use [leader] in a [side] tag or…
20140410 10:42:03< AI0867> "UTF-16 (all U-suffixed functions)" ← shadowm: W, actually, for 'wide'
20140410 10:45:51< AI0867> 22:45 < iceiceice> im pretty sure i learned in highschool "unicode is 2 bytes instead of 1 to support internationalization" and that was it ← in the nineties, that was actually true, but now java, windows and qt are stuck with it.
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20140410 11:39:29< AI0867> Necrosporus: I think we explicitly set the locale to "C" at some point
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20140410 13:04:28< AI0867> "The locale argument can take a locale name, a language string, a language string and country/region code, a code page, or a language string, country/region code, and code page. The set of available locale names, languages, country/region codes, and code pages includes all those supported by the Windows NLS API except code pages that require more than two bytes per character, such as UTF-7 and UTF-8."
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20140410 13:10:26< AI0867> Necrosporus: ^ that's a bit of an issue
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20140410 13:15:30< AI0867> it's a problem because SDL 1.2 just seems to pass whatever it gets to the standard library functions, which don't handle utf-8 properly on windows
20140410 13:15:40< AI0867> SDL2 seems to handle this properly
20140410 13:16:28< AI0867> that is, it takes UTF-8 strings and handles whatever needs to be handled
20140410 13:16:45 * AI0867 is now looking into using SDL_RWops to do our own file loading
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20140410 13:37:25< Necrosporus> AI0867, so does it mean the problem with non-ascii path is present in all sdl applications?
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20140410 13:58:54< irker130> wesnoth: Iurii Chernyi wesnoth:master f1b0e66629ae / src/ai/testing/ca.cpp: Merge pull request #144 from Kevin-Xi/bugfix http://git.io/A-srAw
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20140410 14:05:37< AI0867> Necrosporus: all SDL1.2 applications that don't work around it, I would guess
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20140410 14:36:54< irker130> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master 161470c1490c / data/ai/micro_ais/cas/ (8 files): Micro AIs: avoid using table.remove http://git.io/qyqPeg
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20140410 14:48:45< irker130> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:1.12 82ee3eeaf044 / data/ai/micro_ais/cas/ (8 files): Micro AIs: avoid using table.remove http://git.io/qZxQQQ
20140410 14:58:33< AI0867> aquileia: a test utility to check if my approach has any merit: http://ai.ai0867.net/tmp/sdl.cpp
20140410 14:58:57< AI0867> I locally compile it with  g++ -lSDL -lSDL_image -lboost_system -lboost_filesystem -lboost_locale sdl.cpp
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20140410 15:30:14< AI0867> aquileia: note that you may have to hardcode the file paths, as I'm not sure what format the arguments arrive in
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20140410 15:48:59< AI0867> probably "whatever the code page is"
20140410 15:49:07< AI0867> so chcp 65001 before running it might help
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20140410 15:57:07< gfgtdf> iceiceice: what bug about mp campiagns did you found that were preexisting in 1.11 ?
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20140410 15:57:47< iceiceice> if P2 ends linger mode before the host they get kicked to the lobby
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20140410 15:58:08< iceiceice> if an observer ends linger mode before the host, they just go to an mp wait dialog until the host ends linger mode
20140410 15:58:33< iceiceice> when P2 ends linger mode it also confuses many controller types it seems, at least in LoW, if the host tries to replace the dropped player with observer
20140410 15:58:46< iceiceice> i also find that debug mode doesnt work with campaigns...
20140410 15:58:59< gfgtdf> iceiceice: ewhathappends in debug mod e?
20140410 15:59:03< iceiceice> it causes the host to sometimes go to an mp_wait-like dialog when the others dont 
20140410 15:59:12< iceiceice> and the host cannot fill the reserved slots so he is trapped
20140410 15:59:15< iceiceice> basically oos
20140410 15:59:23< gfgtdf> in 1.11 ?
20140410 15:59:28< iceiceice> in 1.11.9
20140410 15:59:32< iceiceice> didnt test further back
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20140410 16:01:46< iceiceice> wesbot: bug #21902
20140410 16:01:46< wesbot> Bug #21902  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20140410 16:01:46< wesbot> Summary: Scenario transitions in networked MP don't work with debug mode
20140410 16:01:46< wesbot> Original submission: When a scenario transition happens, normally the players 
20140410 16:01:49< wesbot> will go to linger mode if enabled and then transition to the next scenario when 
20140410 16:01:52< wesbot> URL: http://gna.org/bugs/?21902
20140410 16:01:53< iceiceice> wesbot: bug #21903
20140410 16:01:53< wesbot> Bug #21903  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20140410 16:01:53< wesbot> Summary: Scenario transitions in networked MP don't work unless host transitions first
20140410 16:01:56< wesbot> Original submission: When a scenario ends and goes to linger mode before trans
20140410 16:01:59< wesbot> itioning to the next scenario, players may linger as long as they like until the
20140410 16:02:02< wesbot> URL: http://gna.org/bugs/?21903
20140410 16:02:05< wesbot> Attached file (1st): http://gna.org/bugs/download.php?file_id=20504
20140410 16:04:00< gfgtdf> 	iceiceice: do you think it's possible to fix tehse before 1.12 ?
20140410 16:04:10< iceiceice> sure, they use to work
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20140410 16:04:34< gfgtdf> did you test in 1.10 ?
20140410 16:05:46< iceiceice> no but i bet they will even be working in like 1.11.3
20140410 16:06:08< iceiceice> i have payed mp campaigns in 1.10, i never saw anything like this
20140410 16:06:26< iceiceice> doesnt mean its working but i think we can fix this
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20140410 16:24:20< gfgtdf> who is expert for wesnoths ui event pipeline (events.cpp)? 
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20140410 16:46:35< mattsc> In Lua, is there a way to figure out whether a unit has attacks other than going through the (slow) unit table dump?
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20140410 16:48:23< mattsc> The background is that when I want to select units that can attack, checking for attacks_left>0 is not sufficient, because units with no attacks (such as boats) can/do have attacks_left=1
20140410 16:50:06< gfgtdf> mattsc: there is no way im arwae of
20140410 16:54:37< gfgtdf> iceiceice: how do i do that 'In SP when debug mode is enabled, we also always move to the mp connect dialog in between the transition to have the opportunity to review or reconfigure things. ' ?
20140410 16:54:55< mattsc> gfgtdf: yeah, me neither
20140410 16:54:55< iceiceice> turn on --debug mode when you launch wesnoth
20140410 16:55:16< gfgtdf> 	iceiceice	: and then play any SP campaogn ?
20140410 16:55:24< iceiceice> i was using a test scenario for this a long time ago
20140410 16:55:27< iceiceice> it doesnt need to be a campaign
20140410 16:55:43< iceiceice> just any scenario that uses [endlevel] next_scenario = ...
20140410 16:57:14< gfgtdf> iceiceice:  but noral [endlevel] with next_scnario defined in the scenario tag doesnt' work ?
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20140410 16:58:07< iceiceice> i didnt test it
20140410 16:58:23< iceiceice> i think that most likely any scenario transition is broken in networked mp right now
20140410 16:58:35< iceiceice> at least, its a race condition
20140410 16:58:40< iceiceice> the host has to end before the others do
20140410 16:59:02< gfgtdf> iceiceice: by sp you meant normal sp campogns or local mp game ?
20140410 16:59:06< iceiceice> not local
20140410 16:59:09< iceiceice> it has to be networked
20140410 16:59:26< iceiceice> oh i see
20140410 16:59:28< iceiceice> yeah that is a typo i guess
20140410 16:59:36< gfgtdf> 	iceiceice: so we have adebug vfetreu special for networked SP ?
20140410 16:59:42< gfgtdf> debug feature
20140410 17:00:25< iceiceice> i should have written mp camapign vs mp scenario, not mp vs sp, the bug report is flawed
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20140410 17:02:50< iceiceice> ok, fixed
20140410 17:02:59< iceiceice> wish i could edit gna reports :/
20140410 17:03:49< gfgtdf> iceiceice	: so there are mp scnarios woith mutiple maps (with next_scenario ?)?
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20140410 17:04:00< iceiceice> in umc yes
20140410 17:04:16< iceiceice> currently all 1.10 umc mp campaigns work this way i think?
20140410 17:04:22< iceiceice> since the mp campaign mechanism is new
20140410 17:04:50< gfgtdf> ok, so why did we indroduce tegh mo smpoaign if it was possible before ?
20140410 17:04:58< gfgtdf> campaign*
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20140410 17:05:34< gfgtdf> s/mo/mp
20140410 17:05:36< iceiceice> you'll have to ask the people who did but i guess just to better support it
20140410 17:05:44< iceiceice> i mean by the same reasoning why do we have sp campagins at all?
20140410 17:05:58< iceiceice> we could just have a bundle of scenarios with next_scenario keys
20140410 17:06:36< gfgtdf> iceiceice: scenario are not more than a bundle of scenarios with next_scenario, it not like the [cmapgn] tag contaign a lost of scnearios
20140410 17:06:45< irker130> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master c4cb6168e49e / data/ai/ (34 files in 2 dirs): Micro AIs: avoid using formula= in SUFs http://git.io/dgCjWA
20140410 17:06:51< gfgtdf> campaigns*
20140410 17:07:32< iceiceice> i didnt understand your sentence
20140410 17:07:43< gfgtdf> mattsc: i had recenty problemns crashs in wesnoth with formaula, in SUF you know something about that ?
20140410 17:08:33< mattsc> gfgtdf: no.  This change is simply for speed reasons.  The previous method worked just fine, but is slower.
20140410 17:10:07< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i think the main reason for sp campagns is, the we can put them in preprocessrd id
20140410 17:10:33< gfgtdf> no 
20140410 17:10:51< iceiceice> from wiki: CampaignWML This page describes how the campaign is displayed in the "Campaign" menu, and how it starts.
20140410 17:11:05< iceiceice> it also allows that you have difficulty levels defined for the campaign
20140410 17:11:17< iceiceice> which become part of the save
20140410 17:11:25< iceiceice> and i guess can even change? i'm not sure
20140410 17:11:36< iceiceice> it also affects how the save files look
20140410 17:11:55< iceiceice> you're right that [campaign] doesnt add any essential functionality, but it just adds support
20140410 17:29:11< iceiceice> gfgtdf: here's the part where debug is checked: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/playcampaign.cpp#L628
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20140410 17:34:35< irker130> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:1.12 f6894ec06e20 / data/ai/ (35 files in 2 dirs): Micro AIs: avoid using formula= in SUFs http://git.io/VHV_5A
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20140410 17:39:22< irker130> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master 98509aa2bf23 / data/ai/lua/ai_helper.lua: Fix a typo http://git.io/Nc5kbQ
20140410 17:46:06< Dugi> Is there some sort of #wesnoth-art channel? I need to ask about something related to editing images.
20140410 17:46:17< vultraz> ask here
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20140410 17:48:02< Dugi> Is there some image editor that can replace the levels of green colour by red colour and vice versa? I need to swap these colours, but without affecting the levels of the blue colour.
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20140410 17:49:19< zookeeper> Dugi, paint.net or GIMP
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20140410 17:49:50< zookeeper> well... not plain paint.net, needs a plugin i guess
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20140410 17:50:20< Dugi> zookeeper: I use GIMP regularly, but I never found such a feature. Colour balance and colour levels did not do it.
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20140410 17:51:02< zookeeper> colors -> components -> decompose
20140410 17:51:05< zookeeper> then recompose
20140410 17:51:44< zookeeper> s/recompose/compose
20140410 17:51:51< shadowm> AI0867: Yes, someone already told me that.
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20140410 17:54:34< Dugi> zookeeper: When I did decompose, it was broken into colour layers, which I wanted, but Recompose did nothing.
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20140410 18:00:05< Dugi> zookeeper: Figured it out, thank you very much.
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20140410 18:18:43< iceiceice> thunderstruck: can you take a look at this when you have time? https://gna.org/bugs/?21903
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20140410 18:23:50< thunderstruck> iceiceice: iceiceice Yeah, I'll look into it when I'm done with the other bug. Thanks for reporting.
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20140410 18:33:20< thunderstruck> Would introducing a couple of new SideWML attributes to properly address a bug would be okay for 1.12?
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20140410 18:49:09< Necrosporus> AI0867, there's INSTEAD, which uses SDL too and it doesn't have such bug
20140410 18:49:24< Necrosporus> One of its developer suggest to look into windows.c in its source
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20140410 19:37:42< shadowm> Just noting, whoever that shadowmaster02 person in the MP server is, it's not me. Not that anyone here does MP, I guess.
20140410 19:38:50< shadowm> Now if only I could make irssi stop highlighting me on that name in the log channels without dehighlighting 'shadowmaster'...
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20140410 19:47:34< happygrue> shadowm: is it possible to remove highlighting shadowmaster from that channel and replace with "shadowmaster " with a space?
20140410 19:48:21< shadowm> Some people don't know how to use apostrophes, so I've been highlighted as 'shadowmasters' on occassion.
20140410 19:48:33< shadowm> s/ss/s/
20140410 19:48:52< happygrue> mmm
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20140410 20:04:33< irker130> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth:1.12 cec331c11b4d / src/ (flg_manager.cpp flg_manager.hpp): Use 'faction' and 'gender' attributes to provide default values in MP Create. http://git.io/AIDdpA
20140410 20:04:57< irker130> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth:master e3a05974b9fb / src/ (flg_manager.cpp flg_manager.hpp): Use 'faction' and 'gender' attributes to provide default values in MP Create. http://git.io/9n0NmA
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20140410 20:13:14< gfgtdf> iceiceice: on 1.11.12 + dev+pr 121+pr141 i dont get the wrong controller issue, but i still get the illeagal whitebard data.
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20140410 20:24:07< Soliton> thunderstruck: if that's needed for a proper fix. they should be well thought through so we don't have to change them for the next stable though.
20140410 20:25:33< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i get illegal hiteboard data in 1.11.11 aswell
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20140410 20:46:45< thunderstruck> Soliton: The problem is that there's no way to explicitly lock factions, leaders or genders.
20140410 20:46:56< thunderstruck> Soliton: There are attributes to only provide default values.
20140410 20:47:26< thunderstruck> (I think there used to be a way to explicitly lock faction, but now that's gone. Thanks to my changes)
20140410 20:47:39< thunderstruck> So, the idea is to introduce these locks.
20140410 20:47:56< thunderstruck> It would be very similar to locks such as gold_lock.
20140410 20:48:19< thunderstruck> I.e. there's an attribute to provide a default value for gold and there's an attribute to explicitly lock it.
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20140410 20:55:02< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/22722563
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20140410 21:28:49< AI0867> 20:49 < Necrosporus> AI0867, there's INSTEAD, which uses SDL too and it doesn't have such bug ← what does it do? it's one of those names that are impossible to google for
20140410 21:29:18< Necrosporus> AI0867, its' a text quest engine
20140410 21:29:47< Necrosporus> http://instead.syscall.ru/index.html
20140410 21:29:56< AI0867> googling for INSTEAD text quest engine still didn't help
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20140410 21:43:55< AI0867> INSTEAD seems to be very C-y
20140410 21:44:35< AI0867> that is, lots of unexplained short acronyms and manual pointer management (not that you can do anything else in C)
20140410 21:46:30< AI0867> it also uses RWops as an intermediate, though I can't really tell why and what all the other bits are doing
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