--- Log opened Sun Apr 27 00:00:36 2014
20140427 00:01:58< Aishiko> ouch $600US toy
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20140427 00:06:42< Coffee_irc> Aishiko: looks like you can "build" it yourself for about $300-400
20140427 00:06:56< Coffee_irc> I'm sure there are some people that enjoy that kind of thing
20140427 00:07:43< Coffee_irc> I had a friend in high school that built from wood and parts an arcade machine that he put MAME on to play pacman/capcom games and such
20140427 00:08:07< Coffee_irc> looks like a reasonable price to me
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20140427 00:09:52< Coffee_irc> you might be able to do better with a raspberry pi in the future with an adafruit display and some knowhow to make a custom keyboard
20140427 00:11:28< Coffee_irc> but it looks like they've gone and done the hard stuff for you, hence the $600
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20140427 01:26:57< irker848> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master bbffa5e88ad8 / data/ai/lua/ai_helper.lua: ai_helper: remove a debug message http://git.io/pTbjSw
20140427 01:27:58< irker848> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:1.12 72e8f68c69fe / data/ai/lua/ai_helper.lua: ai_helper: remove a debug message http://git.io/xu2gHw
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20140427 06:56:14< Coffee_irc> wesnoth.org appears unreachable here at the moment
20140427 07:00:34< Coffee_irc> it's back
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20140427 11:15:50< aquileia> With currently 6 MB in core/images/units I don't think preloading is an issue... even the newest pandora has 512 MB of RAM, it seems?
20140427 11:17:10< aquileia> And though it'll be in a less efficient compression I guess, that's still minor compared to a single soundtrack
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20140427 11:35:33< aquileia> Ivanovic: I just had a random, possibly bad idea... IIUC, in Alep's Android port you can choose between the full 138 MB of mainline music and a version with higher compression. Might this be worth offering on the pandora?
20140427 11:36:28< aquileia> The reason I ask is that comment on openpandora.org: "Is there some way to cater to the huge amount of memory that Wesnoth eats? I'm using a 256 MB Pandora, so occasionally the game slows down quite a bit and other processes are killed."
20140427 11:37:11< aquileia> Not that it matters for me, I'd never buy a console
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20140427 12:18:59< zookeeper> aquileia, well i wouldn't expect music to really affect memory usage much? other than that, sure IMO it'd make sense to offer a lower-quality alternative, especially when on such a device you're probably unlikely to notice the difference anyway.
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20140427 14:10:42< mordante> servus
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20140427 14:20:53< mordante> gfgtdf, I left some notes for you in the German chan
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20140427 14:24:37< mordante> wesbot seen lipkab
20140427 14:24:37< wesbot> mordante: The person with the nick lipkab last spoke 1d 5h ago.  1d 3h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth with the message: Quit: Vannak idők, mikor menni kell
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20140427 16:20:51< gfgtdf> mordante: can you please check whether this comment is still up to date? (i think ur the one who worte it) https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/variable.hpp#L92
20140427 16:22:56< gfgtdf> mordante: i recently made a annoying mistake which would have been noticed by 4800 so i'd like to enable it again, see pr 159, (you can ignore the things unrelated to 48000)
20140427 16:27:49< mordante> gfgtdf, since I don't use MSVC I don't care, IIRC anonymouses disabled the warnings
20140427 16:28:30< mordante> gfgtdf, yes I'm quite sure that warning is up to date :-(
20140427 16:35:32< gfgtdf> mordante: i tihnk when teh commit was written operator[] rtunred a t_string, now it returns an attribute_value
20140427 16:36:13< gfgtdf> the*, so i cannot see where tere is a difference between t_tring and std::string now
20140427 16:37:24< gfgtdf> in attribute_value casts  i mean
20140427 16:37:52< shadowm> Anonymissimus?
20140427 16:40:52< mordante> shadowm, yes
20140427 16:41:01< mordante> gfgtdf, there is a big difference:
20140427 16:41:46< mordante> - binding to a const std::string& to a std::string temporary is safe it's lifetime is extended
20140427 16:42:21< mordante> - binding to a const std::string& to a t_string causes the t_string to be converted to a std::string implicitly
20140427 16:42:51< mordante> the std::string is bound and the t_string temporary is destroyed taking the bound std::string with him
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20140427 16:44:32< mordante> that in turn brings us to the lala land of undefined behaviour so even if it works for you there is no guarantee it will keep working
20140427 16:44:49< gfgtdf> but we donnt bind const std::string& to t_string anymore, we bind std::string to an attribute_value and attribute_value s implcit cast returns a std::string not a const std::string&
20140427 16:47:10< mordante> and what it the life-time of the attribute value?
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20140427 16:49:56< mordante> implicit cast are somewhat evil and they can cause this kind of issue
20140427 16:50:56< gfgtdf> mordante: we dont care about attribute_values lifetime, because we only care about the lifetime of the (non reference) std::string returned by the implicit cast
20140427 16:51:39< gfgtdf> since its not a reference its lieftime should be unrelated to the lifetime of the attribute_value
20140427 17:03:46< mordante> gfgtdf, looking at the code it might be safe
20140427 17:05:20< gfgtdf> mordante: i there are differnt convrsion paths can teh compiler choose any how how it is defined? I mean could the comiler also decide to cast the attribute_value to a t_string and the t_string to a std::string, if we want a std::atrong from an attribute_value ?
20140427 17:06:12< gfgtdf> s/i/if
20140427 17:06:39< mordante> I'm not sure what you mean
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20140427 17:08:55< gfgtdf> if for example we hadn't the 'attribute_value to std::string cast' and we say std::string s= a; where a is an attribute_value. Would the compiler perform a chained cast attribute_value to t_string and then t_string to std::string ?
20140427 17:09:36< gfgtdf> mordante: ^
20140427 17:11:47< mordante> no it will do some conversion steps, but the amount of automatic conversions is limited
20140427 17:12:10< mordante> the compiler will not try to find a 'multi hop path' to the wanted type
20140427 17:12:36< gfgtdf> ok
20140427 17:12:51< mordante> I don't know the exact rules from the top of my head, but they are defined in the Standard
20140427 17:13:46< mordante> it now looks safe since we return copies instead of references to some internal parts of an object
20140427 17:14:44< gfgtdf> mordante: if a config ctn
20140427 17:14:59< gfgtdf> no pressed accdently enter
20140427 17:17:04< gfgtdf> ok
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20140427 17:45:42< mordante> I'm off bye
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20140427 18:03:39< irker427> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 86b68cf8d607 / src/ (log.cpp log.hpp): add precise_timestamps setter http://git.io/1xEK5w
20140427 18:03:39< irker427> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 03721d9fe6e4 / src/ (commandline_options.cpp commandline_options.hpp game.cpp): commandline option for precise timestamps http://git.io/61-UDA
20140427 18:03:39< irker427> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 02a97838b827 / src/ (16 files in 6 dirs): enable msvc bool conversion check. http://git.io/-lGsOQ
20140427 18:03:40< irker427> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 357d1a4ce3c3 / src/ (replay.cpp replay.hpp): more robust replay.cpp functions http://git.io/ZzN_kg
20140427 18:03:41< irker427> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 5bf4125bf972 / src/ (replay.cpp replay.hpp): tidyup replay.cpp http://git.io/0LahMw
20140427 18:03:43< irker427> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 7a46832348ba / src/actions/move.cpp: more robust replaying of moves http://git.io/Xy6gTQ
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20140427 18:28:24< irker427> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:1.12 f320a1efa4a2 / changelog: Update changelog http://git.io/K6cHhw
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20140427 19:57:57 * shadowm hits iceiceice with the squeaky rubber mallet.
20140427 19:58:41< iceiceice> what is that for
20140427 19:59:29< shadowm> Three consecutive posts.
20140427 19:59:40< shadowm> Delta t < 24 hours.
20140427 19:59:52< iceiceice> they each have about 12 hours in between
20140427 20:00:01< shadowm> Nope.
20140427 20:00:03< iceiceice> idk i found it was relevant
20140427 20:00:11< iceiceice> *justified
20140427 20:00:33< shadowm> First post was yesterday at 4:58 pm, last post was at 5:00 pm today minus 16 minutes.
20140427 20:00:49< shadowm> Which reminds me I need to update my DST settings there.
20140427 20:00:53< iceiceice> so pretty nearly 12 hours between them
20140427 20:01:03< shadowm> 24 / 12 = 2.
20140427 20:01:11< iceiceice> indeed
20140427 20:01:14< shadowm> 12 hours between each post would require delta t to be around 36.
20140427 20:01:24< iceiceice> no, its a fencepost problem you see
20140427 20:01:27< shadowm> It's three posts, not two.
20140427 20:01:32< iceiceice> ...
20140427 20:01:52< iceiceice> ah so you think i shoudl always have to wait 12 hours before responding to the previous post?
20140427 20:02:04< shadowm> I think you could've edited your first post.
20140427 20:02:26< iceiceice> i didnt edit the 2nd post into the first post because itw as on a completely different topic
20140427 20:02:42< iceiceice> i didnt edit the 3rd post into the second post, because ... i went to sleep in between those posts,
20140427 20:02:45< shadowm> Website isn't a particularly high-traffic section and there's like two other people involved in the discussion, one of whom is currently MIA.
20140427 20:03:05< iceiceice> theres at least 4 people involved in the discussion
20140427 20:03:38< iceiceice> idk you "hit me with the squeaky mallet" if you like, but i dont feel i particularly violated the rules here
20140427 20:04:23< happygrue> the punishment is just for the crime IMO
20140427 20:04:42< shadowm> If you had violated the rules you'd have been hit with the metal mallet instead.
20140427 20:04:54 * zookeeper hits self with a squeaky rubber duck
20140427 20:08:45< happygrue> who will put an end to the squeaky carnage!?
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20140427 22:12:29< mattsc> AI0867, gfgtdf: are you planning to merge PR 158 (or some variation of it) sometime before 1.11.14?
20140427 22:13:42< mattsc> Between that and my own (Lua side) optimizations, I managed to bring the calculation time for some of the busier attack calculations in the Freelands AI down by a factor ~10.
20140427 22:14:18< mattsc> Not the end-all yet, but a pretty good first step.
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