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20140428 00:23:15< Aishiko>  HexChat: 2.9.4 ** OS: Linux 3.7.10-gentoo x86_64 ** Distro: "Gentoo" "?" ? ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz (GenuieIIntel) @ 2.40GHz ** RAM: Physical: 7.8GB, 76.8% free ** Disk: Total: 2.1TB, 13.7% free ** VGA: 1002:6758 ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel1: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic2: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic ** Ethernet: 10ec:8168 ** Upti
20140428 00:23:15< Aishiko> me: 1d 1h 45m 21s **
20140428 00:28:11< Aishiko> opps
20140428 00:30:36< happygrue> Fine Aishiko, trying to make me feel like I need a new computer.
20140428 00:30:41< happygrue> I see how it is.  :P
20140428 00:31:08< Aishiko> Actually this is a decade old system I built
20140428 00:31:57< happygrue> Ah, that makes me feel better.  ;)
20140428 00:33:02< Aishiko> I didn't know that that command would print it out to the open chat window =P
20140428 00:33:40< happygrue> hehe
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20140428 00:39:21< Aishiko> still its what a lowendish system these days I guess
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20140428 00:57:16 * Aishiko can no longer put off the fight with the demon known only as "Access"
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20140428 01:10:32< Aishiko> hi sachith500 
20140428 01:10:43< sachith500> hey aishiko :D
20140428 01:10:46< sachith500> how goes it ^_^
20140428 01:11:47< c74d> “GenuieIIntel”?
20140428 01:13:31< shadowm> Maybe it's a rare specimen with a typoed CPUID.
20140428 01:14:07< Aishiko> shadowm, I think it might be an issue with the sysinfo
20140428 01:17:56< shadowm> Easiest way to tell would be to `grep vendor_id /proc/cpuinfo` and check if it's as typoed.
20140428 01:18:06< Aishiko> sachith500, it goes
20140428 01:18:46< Aishiko> none not typoed when I run it at the command line
20140428 01:25:50< shadowm> Oh well, the rare specimen idea was fun, but I suppose the kernel would throw a fit during early boot if it were the case.
20140428 01:33:36< Aishiko> personally I would have liked it if it had said it was "GenieIntel" able to grant your cpu wishes
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20140428 01:45:15< mattsc> Hmm, I think I need to get new input from human players on Fred, having him play against the default AI is kind of pointless by now …
20140428 01:51:01< Aishiko> Fred slaughters the default AI?
20140428 01:54:26< gfgtdf> what is fred ?
20140428 01:56:41< mattsc> Well, I started a batch of games against the default AI a while ago.  We’re up to roughly 100 now and he hasn’t lost one yet.
20140428 01:57:13< mattsc> Fred’s the Freelands “grunt rush” AI.
20140428 01:57:32< mattsc> It’s not really a grunt rush any more, this the “”
20140428 01:57:37< mattsc> s/this/thus
20140428 02:03:29< Aishiko> how fast are they running at? 10x speed?
20140428 02:03:44< mattsc> nogui
20140428 02:04:12< mattsc> Ooo, the RCA AI won one.  Finally.  As Northerners.
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20140428 02:05:18< Aishiko> doing mp games?
20140428 02:06:12< iceiceice> mattsc: how long does Fred take to win?
20140428 02:06:18< iceiceice> typically?
20140428 02:06:21< mattsc> Aishiko: yes
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20140428 02:08:16< mattsc> iceiceice: against the RCA AI on even terms: 10 -15 turns
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20140428 02:08:45< iceiceice> pretty good :)
20140428 02:09:41< mattsc> iceiceice: when I watch games, I usually have Fred play with 100 gold against the RCA AI with 150 (otherwise you really don’t learn anything), and he still winds almost all of those.
20140428 02:09:57< mattsc> However, as we have said many times, playing against a human is _very_ different.
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20140428 02:11:45< iceiceice> still, its almost impossible to win earlier than that
20140428 02:12:29< iceiceice> winning decisively with a rush on the first night is really only possible if someone makes big mistakes
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20140428 02:15:21< Aishiko> or the starting positions are too close together
20140428 02:16:33< iceiceice> yeah that too :)
20140428 02:16:36< mattsc> Aishiko: this is all on the Freelands map, and as side 1 only, playing Northerners (although, in principle, Fred could play any faction now).
20140428 02:17:04< mattsc> When we started this, we said let’s see whether we can make a special case work first, before trying to generalize things.
20140428 02:17:41< mattsc> And now it’s 1.5 years later and we’re still trying to get the special case to work.  :P
20140428 02:20:56< Aishiko> only 1.5 years?
20140428 02:22:29< mattsc> Maybe.  Might be 2.5.  I could look it up in the forum, but I’m too tired and lazy.
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20140428 03:03:51< mattsc> Well, I think I’ll stop here.  After roughly 20 games against each of the default factions it’s: Fred 128 - RCA AI 1
20140428 03:04:42< mattsc> I’m tempted to call that statistically significant.
20140428 03:09:02< iceiceice> :)
20140428 03:09:11< iceiceice> i don't know, i always feel dirty when i perform statistical inference...
20140428 03:10:28 * iceiceice goes back to reviewing a theory paper
20140428 03:11:16< mattsc> hehe  (I’d like to make a smart-ass retort, but can’t come up with one)
20140428 03:14:36< Aishiko> statistical inference == satirical inference?
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20140428 09:52:29< janebot> Wesnoth Forums | Developers’ Discussions • Re: Suggestion: keep backwards compatibility by Coffee [ 04-28-2014 09:48 ] [ http://r.wesnoth.org/p569887 ]
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20140428 13:00:29< AI0867> mattsc: yes
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20140428 13:02:31< fabi> hi AI0867
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20140428 13:11:52< mattsc> AI0867: great
20140428 13:12:06< mattsc> hi fabi
20140428 13:13:19< fabi> AI0867: You were pretty right, the fix for drag & drop wasn't possible by just reverting without reverting everything. But Coffee_irc managed to fix it and send me a patch :-)
20140428 13:13:31< fabi> hello mattsc
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20140428 14:17:27< AI0867> Coffee_irc: thank you
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20140428 16:56:40-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: string+feature freeze active on 1.12 | 243 bugs, 345 feature requests, 28 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Alternate logs: http://wesnoth.debian.net | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20140428 17:02:25< Duthlet> On 1.12 and master linger mode ends automatically after a mp scenario like freelands. Is that intentional?
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20140428 17:07:24< zookeeper> Duthlet, so basically, there is no linger mode? can't be intentional
20140428 17:12:31< gfgtdf> Duthlet: i recently changes how linger mode work in mpcampaigns, that non host players will automaticly advance to the next scenario when they receive a [notify_next_scenario] but that should only effect campaigns with multiple scenarios.see 21903
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20140428 17:16:20< Duthlet> gfgtdf: So it's not intentional? Because noone mentioned having that intend at bug 21903
20140428 17:21:40< gfgtdf> Duthlet: no. It's not intentional. There are currently many bugs realted to mp ending/start. Maybe iceiceice knows things baout that that i dont know.
20140428 17:22:24< gfgtdf> Duthlet: i did a quick testing and linger mode worked in 1.11.11 but not in 1.11.13
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20140428 17:49:35< gfgtdf> Duthlet: is there any useful case to change the objectives in a vicotry event?
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20140428 18:10:54< Duthlet> gfgtdf: I don't know. I don't see any, but I might not be the right one to answer that question
20140428 18:18:22< gfgtdf> Duthlet: ok i have a patch for the problem above.
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20140428 18:31:33< gfgtdf> wesbot: seen iceiceice
20140428 18:31:33< wesbot> gfgtdf: The person with the nick iceiceice last spoke 15h 21m ago.  15h 7m ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving
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20140428 20:30:19< iceiceice> Duthlet: I think the issue is just that no one has restarted the 1.13 server
20140428 20:30:28< iceiceice> (regarding) bug 21987
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20140428 20:31:34< iceiceice> i pushed a rather large change a bit more than a month ago about moving all the "tweaks" that set up sides as remote / local for each client, to the server
20140428 20:31:52< iceiceice> there have been small fixes around this since, and this stuff with linger mode gfgtdf worked ona lso
20140428 20:32:10< iceiceice> if you are using an old server build its just not going to work
20140428 20:32:50< Duthlet> ah, ok, then someone should restart the trunk server
20140428 20:33:13< iceiceice> does trunk server mean 1.13 server?
20140428 20:33:32< iceiceice> idk, i have tested all this stuff with local wesnothd instances many times, i never saw problems with this on 1.12 or master branch
20140428 20:33:57< iceiceice> but i also havent been following when the server gets restarted really
20140428 20:34:50< shadowm> No one has asked me to rebuild the trunk instance.
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20140428 20:39:21< shadowm> Rebuilt and restarted.
20140428 20:40:23< shadowm> And just as a reminder, this is completely separate from the 1.11.x instance, which was last rebuilt and restarted at the same time 1.11.13 was announced.
20140428 20:41:23< Duthlet> works fine with master now
20140428 20:41:45< Duthlet> but it's the same you get connected to with 1.11.13+dev, isn't it?
20140428 20:41:58< shadowm> I just said it is not.
20140428 20:42:21< Duthlet> it is
20140428 20:42:23< shadowm> I mean, yes, it's the same by default, but it's not the one that serves released versions.
20140428 20:42:42< shadowm> You may still connect to the 1.11.x instance with 1.11.x+dev using wesnoth.org:14997 as the address.
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20140428 20:43:10< Duthlet> yes, but using join official server you join trunk
20140428 20:43:21< shadowm> The default will change as soon as people decide that MP for 1.12.x isn't this volatile mess anymore.
20140428 20:43:42< shadowm> Or RC 1, whichever happens first.
20140428 20:44:03< iceiceice> hmm thats a bit odd, isn't it?
20140428 20:44:17< iceiceice> why would we support connecting to the 1.13 build server with 1.11 client?
20140428 20:44:23< shadowm> Why is it odd? 1.11.12 and 1.11.13 both broke compatibility.
20140428 20:44:41< shadowm> It'd be worse to allow incompatible 1.11.x versions to connect to the 1.11.x instance.
20140428 20:44:57< iceiceice> ok, i wont question
20140428 20:45:12< iceiceice> i have never done any testing about connecting 1.11 clients to 1.13 server,
20140428 20:45:14< shadowm> Nobody uses the trunk instance but developers.
20140428 20:45:20< iceiceice> in fact i'm not even sure how i would do that
20140428 20:45:27< iceiceice> i would have to copy binaries out of the repo i guess
20140428 20:45:32< shadowm> I presume everyone here has the common sense to not assume everyone in the trunk instance is compatible with their client.
20140428 20:46:08< iceiceice> ok, well afaik the 1.12 branch and master branch servers are basically equivalent
20140428 20:46:10< shadowm> So it's not a problem unless somebody decides to break the lobby part of the protocol.
20140428 20:46:39< iceiceice> ok. 
20140428 20:46:57< iceiceice> shadowm: thanks for restarting trunk, i should have asked you to do that a long time ago.
20140428 20:47:04< iceiceice> Duthlet: thanks for reporting
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20140428 20:48:30< shadowm> It gets restarted a little more often than that, hence I use the term 'rebuild' to avoid ambiguity.
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20140428 20:59:05< gfgtdf> wesbot: seen lipkab
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20140428 21:06:36< iceiceice> Duthlet: just checking, I can mark 21987 fixed, right?
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20140428 21:09:39< Duthlet> iceiceice: yes
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20140428 21:10:42< iceiceice> thanks again
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20140428 22:02:32< AI0867> wesbot: seen anonymissimus
20140428 22:02:33< wesbot> AI0867: The person with the nick anonymissimus last spoke 10d ago.  9d 23h ago they left with the message: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643]
20140428 22:03:14< AI0867> anonymissimus: as our lua maintainer, do you have an opinion on #158?
20140428 22:04:04< AI0867> anonymissimus: unless you object (or someone else raises a valid point), I'll probably merge that before the next release
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20140428 22:23:25< iceiceice> Soliton: here?
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20140428 22:56:40-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: string+feature freeze active on 1.12 | 245 bugs, 345 feature requests, 28 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Alternate logs: http://wesnoth.debian.net | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20140428 23:26:41< Soliton> nope.
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20140428 23:31:17< iceiceice> Soliton: well if you have a minute do you mind to take a look at this? http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Privacy_Draft_Section,_for_CoC
20140428 23:35:56< gfgtdf> wesbot: seen aquileia
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20140428 23:40:14< Soliton> looks still good.
20140428 23:41:15< Soliton> only thing which could be clarified is that private messages are not logged at all.
20140428 23:41:44< Soliton> so no one can look at them even with a good reason.
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20140428 23:50:06< iceiceice> yeah i guess i knew that, i wasnt sure if its a good idea to write it
20140428 23:51:49< iceiceice> i think when i ran it by happygrue he asked me also if we save the "no observer" games?
20140428 23:52:04< iceiceice> afaict they arent available but i didnt see that there's something in the code to make them not get saved
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