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20140402 20:11:56< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) (RT @shikadilord) R.I.P., WesGold™ program: http://r.wesnoth.org/p568967 #Wesnoth [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/451451987566292992 ]
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20140402 20:59:45< Marcgal> I wonder why is the units variations mechanism so much underused
20140402 20:59:59< Marcgal> The core uses it mostly/only for WC and Soulless
20140402 21:00:28< Marcgal> while IMHO the feature's potential is much bigger
20140402 21:01:41< zookeeper> i consider it a big screwup that it got used on WC's in the first place
20140402 21:02:02< zookeeper> art requirements for one unit line multiplied by ten immediately
20140402 21:03:25< Marcgal> A big screwup? Perhaps, but only because of poor variation choice mechanism
20140402 21:04:04< Marcgal> Regarding the art requirements... well, one could say that gender is also a big screwup, for the same reasen
20140402 21:05:06< zookeeper> maybe, but gender variations are or can be simple touchups to a handful of pixels here and there, not an entirely different-looking creature
20140402 21:05:11< Marcgal> Adding more diversity obviously means a little bit more work, but... diversity is really nice
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20140402 21:07:24< Marcgal> And would it be really difficoult to add for example hair color variations?
20140402 21:08:16< zookeeper> not really, it's been discussed sometimes and hair/skin color variations would likely be done by shifting the palette of the unit at run-time
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20140402 21:10:54< Marcgal> Granted. But then, there come other variations like hair length, outfit details... e.g. only 50% Duelists could have a feather on top of their hats
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20140402 21:11:57< Marcgal> Also ~75% units could be made right-handed, while ~25% would have their main weapon in their left hand
20140402 21:12:00< Marcgal> etc, etc
20140402 21:12:18< zookeeper> yeah and that'd mean doubling all art
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20140402 21:13:33< Marcgal> Just like with gender
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20140402 21:14:27< zookeeper> except that gender variations are easy, changing the weapon hand means redrawing the entire unit + animations because once you change the weapon hand, you have to change everything
20140402 21:14:54< Marcgal> ALso variations could be used to add greater diversity in units abilities, for example some orc archers could be better with normal bow, while others could be better with fire bow
20140402 21:15:34< zookeeper> well, that's basically what traits are for
20140402 21:16:59< Marcgal> THe diversity in WCs and Soulleses' abilities is much too great to be achievable by traits
20140402 21:18:22< zookeeper> well, no, i believe that all the gameplay effects of WC variations could technically be done with traits
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20140402 21:20:00< Marcgal> Similary, wolves could be divided intio species - some wolves, for example, could suffer no increased movement cost on frozen terrain, but in turn would have increased movement cost on hills
20140402 21:20:13< Marcgal> Such wolves could have white fur
20140402 21:20:49< Marcgal> Traits won't shift units' appereance, as variations can
20140402 21:22:59< Marcgal> Actually, there could be cave wolves, forest wolves, desert wolves, mountains wolves, domestic wolves (dogs), or even water wolves
20140402 21:24:05< zookeeper> there could be
20140402 21:25:13< Marcgal> But OK, merging variations with traits would probably be a very good idea, under condition that the trait mechanism would become (potentialy, programmably) as powerful as the variations mechanism
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20140402 21:34:26< Marcgal> finally... in most cases, swapping hands would only requiere flipping the sprite verticaly
20140402 21:35:14< Marcgal> But well... it seems I just have too much imagination ;)
20140402 21:36:15< zookeeper> no, you can't swap hands by flipping the sprite horizontally
20140402 21:36:43< zookeeper> the sprite won't magically be striking southeast with the left hand, if you flip a sprite which strikes southeast with the right hand
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