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20140412 12:05:52< LAZA> Hai all
20140412 12:11:36< LAZA> i have a sound problem in the beta3 with Windows 8
20140412 12:11:46< LAZA> is there something known about it?
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20140412 12:24:14< vultraz> perhaps you could describe the problem
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20140412 12:29:59< LAZA> the sound of the effects lag at a attack
20140412 12:30:56< LAZA> so if i hit an enemy the sound is behind and is not played before the second strike
20140412 12:31:13< LAZA> understandable?
20140412 12:31:28< vultraz> hm...
20140412 12:31:30< vultraz> yes..
20140412 12:31:33< vultraz> zookeeper?
20140412 12:36:33< LAZA> maybe this is a problem of Windows 8.1 in an virtual machine - but got this never before
20140412 12:36:55< Aliekezhi> hi, when I try to change wesnoth language I have this error message : "warning general: setlocale() failed for 'zh_CN'"
20140412 12:48:46< LAZA> @vultraz it seems, gna.org has revoked the SSL certificate so for me it is impossible to enter the site and report the bug
20140412 12:49:32< vultraz> gna has always thrown a security warning
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20140412 12:52:28< LAZA> okay, my mistake, i wanted to trust the insecure, revoked cert forever and Fx protects this and the only chance is to exit
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20140412 12:53:40< vultraz> just add an exception
20140412 12:54:09< LAZA> yes, got it
20140412 12:54:39< LAZA> but before i report this bug i will verify it against a new created VM
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20140412 14:52:52< zookeeper> LAZA, which unit and which attack?
20140412 14:53:17< LAZA> ohh, i would say every unit and every attack
20140412 14:53:28< zookeeper> right
20140412 14:53:40< LAZA> but thats not true cause sometimes the lag is real great - sometimes not?
20140412 14:54:07< LAZA> atm i'm installing a complete new VM with Windows 8.1 Update 1 and will test it again
20140412 14:54:26< zookeeper> so it varies even when the same animations play repeatedly? then it's gotta be a lag problem with your system
20140412 14:54:53< LAZA> could be!
20140412 14:55:45< LAZA> i will then carefully write down when this happens again if it is a problem of the VM or the game
20140412 14:58:34< zookeeper> also i'm assuming that you're not using any particularly large values for animation acceleration
20140412 14:58:52< zookeeper> (up to 1.75 is probably ok sounds-wise)
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20140412 15:07:24< LAZA> ehhhm, normally i just change the resolution and scroll factor
20140412 15:07:57< zookeeper> ok, it's not that then
20140412 15:09:15< LAZA> in a few minutes the machine will be ready, so i can answer all of your questions about settings and the bug
20140412 15:09:55< LAZA> the first time i recognized it was Delfador conjuring an light strike
20140412 15:10:04< zookeeper> not that i have personal experience of VM's, but i wouldn't be surprised if there was something in your setup which causes audio lag like that
20140412 15:10:50< LAZA> *hmmm, mabe, but music and other sounds work without problems
20140412 15:11:14< zookeeper> like interface click sounds?
20140412 15:11:18< LAZA> if the bug is not reproducible it is a VM problem
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20140412 15:16:35< zookeeper> so how long of a lag are we talking about, approximately? something where the sound obviously starts to play later than intended, or something where it sounds like it's just a bit late?
20140412 15:16:56< zookeeper> less than a second?
20140412 15:18:36< LAZA> how long is the time between 2 attacks from one unit?
20140412 15:18:40< LAZA> 1 second?
20140412 15:19:18< zookeeper> it depends on the attack
20140412 15:19:50< zookeeper> but subsequent attacks are irrelevant
20140412 15:19:51< LAZA> Delfador with his lightning strike
20140412 15:20:14< LAZA> got 3 attacks, but one 2 sound effects
20140412 15:20:29< zookeeper> what does "one 2 sound effects" mean?
20140412 15:21:05< LAZA> sorry, one=only
20140412 15:21:20< LAZA> im installing in another window so permanently switching
20140412 15:21:35< LAZA> pls wait for some minutes, if i'm done i ping you
20140412 15:21:56< zookeeper> delfador's lightning has 4 strikes though, not 3
20140412 15:21:58< zookeeper> sure
20140412 15:22:33< zookeeper> obviously the sound is so long that the sound of the previous strike will still be playing when the next one begins
20140412 15:23:23< LAZA> remember can fail but as far as i remember the first sound is missing
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20140412 15:25:41< zookeeper> if you really think that some sounds are missing, i'd ask that you turn on accelerated speed at 0.25 (so everything plays at 1/4 speed) and verify with that. at default speed the sounds sort of blend together a bit so it might be hard to be sure.
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20140412 15:28:04< LAZA> okay, i'm now in the settings and see now what you've said about speed acceleration
20140412 15:28:18< LAZA> i will start HttT and without any changes
20140412 15:28:45< LAZA> sorry, i must correct myself:
20140412 15:29:16< LAZA> - resolution changed to 1400x1050, full screen
20140412 15:29:31< zookeeper> you can quickly test that sort of stuff by typing :debug in-game (: brings up a command prompt, then type debug, press enter), after which you can right-click and create any unit you want on the spot and change their side
20140412 15:29:44< LAZA> - scroll speed half the standard
20140412 15:31:09< LAZA> thanks, zookeeper
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20140412 15:32:10< LAZA> and found another thing in the settings: it is no more possible to change the audio settings with the keyboard!
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20140412 15:37:01< zookeeper> oh? i wouldn't know about that
20140412 15:37:57< LAZA> so it is a bug?!?
20140412 15:38:38< vultraz> (I use 2x speed)
20140412 15:38:46< zookeeper> if it has previously been possible to change the audio settings with keyboard only, and now it's no longer possible, then yes, that sounds like a bug.
20140412 15:39:30< LAZA> it was possible to change all settings with mouse and arrow keys
20140412 15:40:23< LAZA> if there is an bar and slide control
20140412 15:40:38< LAZA> okay, back to the sound problem
20140412 15:41:31< LAZA> in normal speed, a orc slayer(?)  (enemy with poison capability) attacks an elf warrior
20140412 15:41:46< LAZA> throws poisoned dagger - no sound
20140412 15:41:53< LAZA> hits elv
20140412 15:42:08< LAZA> negative hit points show up
20140412 15:42:21< LAZA> then sound from throwing the dagger
20140412 15:42:38< LAZA> then sound from struck elf
20140412 15:42:57< LAZA> i set speed to 0,25 and will play bit more
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20140412 15:50:36< LAZA> in 0,5 speed all works good 
20140412 15:50:44< LAZA> no timing problem
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20140412 16:10:36< LAZA> okay, it is only Delfador if he casts his lightning strike
20140412 16:10:55< LAZA> the first sound of the lighting strike is complete gone
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20140412 16:13:38< zookeeper> LAZA, well that sounds weird
20140412 16:13:43< zookeeper> works just fine for me
20140412 16:14:17< zookeeper> which version do you have, anyway?
20140412 16:14:25< zookeeper> ah, beta3
20140412 16:14:31< LAZA> mom, i'll try it again with 0,25 speed
20140412 16:15:40< LAZA> okay, i think it is a problem with the buffer or something
20140412 16:15:44< LAZA> unreproducable
20140412 16:16:02< LAZA> so forget this
20140412 16:16:02< zookeeper> okay
20140412 16:16:18< LAZA> but please change the settings back that the key arrows work again
20140412 16:16:55< zookeeper> i'll mention it to someone
20140412 16:17:33< LAZA> that would be nice
20140412 16:17:42< LAZA> i forgot my password for gna...
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20140412 16:39:41< vultraz> with all the Heartbleed crap recently you might as well change it :P
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20140412 16:49:08< LAZA> I#m on my way to change *all* passwords... but on so many sites i can't remember even that i have a login!  %-/
20140412 16:49:24< celticminstrel> Use memorable passwords.
20140412 16:49:44< celticminstrel> Don't use tons of symbols and numbers, just use three or four words.
20140412 16:49:52< celticminstrel> It's about the same strength.
20140412 16:50:20< celticminstrel> (Super-common words like "the" or "a" probably don't count for anything.)
20140412 16:52:55< LAZA> and avoid sites where a password can only be 6-8 chars long and the rest is cut -  like amazon!  :-P
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20140412 17:14:45< celticminstrel> Really? Amazon does that?
20140412 17:22:00< LAZA> yeah, i made this up a long time ago while i changed my password
20140412 17:22:29< LAZA> and read on heise.de some months ago that this actually happens since then...
20140412 17:22:43< LAZA> you can try it for yourself:
20140412 17:22:55< LAZA> - change passwort to a real long one 
20140412 17:23:23< LAZA> - type only the first 1. 8; 2. 10; 3. 12 chars and you will get logged in
20140412 17:23:58< LAZA> i do not know the length they check
20140412 17:24:02< LAZA> about 10 chars
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20140412 17:24:46< Unnheulu> So apparently it's been almost a full year since I was last here
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20140412 22:40:13< battlestar> hi
20140412 22:40:29< battlestar> guten tag
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20140412 23:13:04< battlestar> is there any way to have an attack hidden until all conditions are fulfilled?
20140412 23:14:38< zookeeper> hidden? no. unusable? sure, there's something in [attack] for that
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20140412 23:26:56< battlestar> hmm looking in attack tag, not sure what exactly you mean
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20140412 23:30:28< battlestar> is event name=attack before or after the attack choice screen pops up?
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20140412 23:47:43< battlestar> apparently after. is there any way to get something to happen right before the attack dialog shows up?
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20140412 23:54:18< battlestar> I love spongebob
20140412 23:54:45< battlestar> because my pants are square as he
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