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--- Day changed Thu May 01 2014
20140501 00:00:08< iceiceice> i feel safe in hoping that there is no machine that will convert "0xab234" to a uint32_t wrongly
20140501 00:00:47< gfgtdf> the c++ spec :)
20140501 00:00:54< iceiceice> :)
20140501 00:05:31< AI0867> as gfgtdf said, long long is guaranteed to be at least 64 bits wide. That gives you 63 bits of positive integer
20140501 00:06:09< iceiceice> are you also opposed to using strings and lexical cast?
20140501 00:06:13< AI0867> no
20140501 00:06:23< AI0867> just pointing out facts =P
20140501 00:06:27< iceiceice> ok :)
20140501 00:07:21< iceiceice> so suppose i did use long long, 
20140501 00:07:37< iceiceice> then sometimes i would have to cast it down to uint32
20140501 00:07:54< iceiceice> like when loading from a file etc.
20140501 00:07:58< iceiceice> or pretty much all the time
20140501 00:08:02< iceiceice> it would mean that in any mp game,
20140501 00:08:12< iceiceice> the server would generate uint32 seeds, store them in configs,
20140501 00:08:23< iceiceice> then they would become strings when sent?
20140501 00:08:30< iceiceice> then they would be recieved, converted to long long
20140501 00:08:37< iceiceice> then i would cast them back down to uint32
20140501 00:08:49< iceiceice> idk it just seems far more complicated than just storing hex
20140501 00:09:21< gfgtdf> i just wouldn't think about what happens internaly especialy since its not imporatnt for performance.
20140501 00:09:46< iceiceice> idk apparently casting uint32 to int carelessly can cause noticeable rng bias
20140501 00:10:03< iceiceice> what happens if the server and client are on different platforms :O
20140501 00:10:32< gfgtdf> but we don't cast uint to int we cast uint to int64+
20140501 00:10:35< gfgtdf> uint32
20140501 00:10:47< iceiceice> y but it has spooked me now 
20140501 00:10:51< iceiceice> if dont want to acutally make it portable and put all this to rest then idk why im doing this patch
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20140501 00:11:18< gfgtdf> because mt19937 is cool i thought.
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20140501 00:12:51< gfgtdf> wel i think the lnglongthing is portable
20140501 00:13:32< iceiceice> i guess im doing this for 3 reasons
20140501 00:13:43< iceiceice> 1) mt19937 is cool :)
20140501 00:13:57< iceiceice> 2) we were using code from a man page which basically said "don't use this" :O
20140501 00:14:21< AI0867> 3) we were using the code wrong
20140501 00:14:22< iceiceice> 3) when some 15 year old complains about lots of misses in his game and says its an rng bug, i dont want to have to ask him "are you on a platform where int is 16 bits"
20140501 00:14:56< iceiceice> i want to be able to say, no we are absolutely using the boost standard rng
20140501 00:15:05< iceiceice> in exactly the way it is supposed to
20140501 00:15:15< iceiceice> and it is transparent to me that there is no bizarre implementation / numeric casting issue
20140501 00:15:16< gfgtdf> 	iceiceice	: another thing when do you want t implement this? Since this most likey breaks all compability again. (ofc we can make a compability mode)
20140501 00:15:28< iceiceice> yeah i dont really know
20140501 00:15:51< iceiceice> it depends how well it works and how long it takes to be sure etc.
20140501 00:16:13< iceiceice> i certainly wouldn't push for it to be in 1.12 if there is opposition, and i guess there will be probably
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20140501 00:35:51< iceiceice> hmm boost lexical cast may not be appropriate either...
20140501 00:35:52< iceiceice> http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_54_0/doc/html/boost_lexical_cast/synopsis.html
20140501 00:40:18< gfgtdf> why?
20140501 00:40:46< gfgtdf> iceiceice: do you know the perforimance of c++ expcetion handling ?
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20140501 00:45:00< gfgtdf> iceiceice: meansin if i have a function that calculates many things, i dotn need all and i want to escape as soon as i ahve teh reult i want, will is teh overhaead by the thow usualy worse than the left calculations ?
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20140501 00:45:42< iceiceice> i'll be honest, its been a long time since i studied that
20140501 00:45:51< iceiceice> however its clear to me that 
20140501 00:46:01< iceiceice> 1.) this exception handling for lexical cast that i want to do will be negligible 
20140501 00:46:14< iceiceice> 2.) we use exceptions for control flow in the actual engine quite frequently
20140501 00:46:39< iceiceice> 3.) idk im more interested right now in getting it right, optimization can come later
20140501 00:46:52< gfgtdf> 	iceiceice	: ma question wasnt about your code. Esxpetions are normaly meant to be not teh usual case.
20140501 00:46:57< gfgtdf> s/ma/my
20140501 00:46:58< iceiceice> oh 
20140501 00:47:52< gfgtdf> i just wanted to knwo whether i can use xpcetion to escape from the call stack of whether that is  bad idea,
20140501 00:48:03< iceiceice> idk i mean you don't *need* exceptions to do control flow, but if you think its convenient i dont see why not
20140501 00:48:12< gfgtdf> 	iceiceice:because it kinda feels liek abvusing exceptions
20140501 00:48:35< iceiceice> yeah i mean its kind of like a fancy way to do "GOTO" :p
20140501 00:48:54< iceiceice> still i dont really have a strong opinion
20140501 00:49:18< gfgtdf> hm ok
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20140501 01:52:07< irker600> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master 6f84e14b89b3 / data/ai/micro_ais/cas/ca_hang_out.lua: Hang Out MAI: bug fix in best move selection http://git.io/nJqsAA
20140501 01:53:08< irker600> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:1.12 74575535aa23 / data/ai/micro_ais/cas/ca_hang_out.lua: Hang Out MAI: bug fix in best move selection http://git.io/vJQ1XA
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20140501 01:59:44< irker600> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master f0c7ddcab1f5 / data/ai/lua/ai_helper.lua: ai_helper: make AI move error messages more descriptive http://git.io/lytuZA
20140501 02:00:20< irker600> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:1.12 b70c4c078954 / data/ai/lua/ai_helper.lua: ai_helper: make AI move error messages more descriptive http://git.io/Aimk2g
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20140501 02:10:24< irker600> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master 2336921a81b1 / data/ai/lua/battle_calcs.lua: simulate_combat_fake(): don't fill empty HP chances with zeros http://git.io/SM2_pA
20140501 02:10:26< irker600> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master 0218b881802f / data/ai/lua/battle_calcs.lua: attack_combo_stats(): also cache intermediate battle outcomes http://git.io/m12bhA
20140501 02:10:28< irker600> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master 7623c5513a6f / data/ai/lua/battle_calcs.lua: battle_calcs: do not use variance of attack in attack rating http://git.io/G3yAYA
20140501 02:10:30< irker600> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master 82e4ccad4dff / data/ai/lua/battle_calcs.lua: battle_calcs.attack_rating(): overhaul attack rating system http://git.io/ykXN5A
20140501 02:12:01< irker600> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:1.12 16d354604fab / data/ai/lua/battle_calcs.lua: simulate_combat_fake(): don't fill empty HP chances with zeros http://git.io/qHYjWw
20140501 02:12:03< irker600> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:1.12 2f4aeba970a6 / data/ai/lua/battle_calcs.lua: attack_combo_stats(): also cache intermediate battle outcomes http://git.io/c-pr7Q
20140501 02:12:05< irker600> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:1.12 23b3073baec8 / data/ai/lua/battle_calcs.lua: battle_calcs: do not use variance of attack in attack rating https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/23b3073baec8111713f96de79a2b7c8db219a9ec
20140501 02:12:07< irker600> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:1.12 25c9f8698810 / data/ai/lua/battle_calcs.lua: battle_calcs.attack_rating(): overhaul attack rating system https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/25c9f8698810138831fc6c0b65e3afad10effc86
20140501 02:12:57< mattsc> You know, I’d actually love to figure out how I’d do at some (semi)serious MPing some day, but where the hell am I going to find the time for that?
20140501 02:21:20< iceiceice> mattsc, you should make a ladder account, we can play after 1.12 is released :)
20140501 02:22:05< mattsc> iceiceice: yeah, well, [repeat previous statement]  :P
20140501 02:22:28< iceiceice> hehe
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20140501 02:23:22< mattsc> Also, I think I’d be a noob for quite a while, and I just don’t feel like I have the time to learn the ropes.
20140501 02:23:57< mattsc> And of course, I wouldn’t be satisfied until I can beat TBS as often as Fred can beat the RCA Ai.  ;)
20140501 02:23:57< iceiceice> im pretty nooby as well dont worry :)
20140501 02:24:23< iceiceice> i deeply regret fixing the rby bug that caused orcs to be selected in > 50% of games :)
20140501 02:24:25< mattsc> Some day …
20140501 02:24:44< mattsc> hehe
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20140501 17:08:33< iceiceice> ok i'm stumped: is there any good reason why the library version requirements in our CMake file should be different from the one in SConstruct?
20140501 17:08:38< iceiceice> compare here and here: 
20140501 17:08:38< iceiceice> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/SConstruct#L343
20140501 17:08:44< iceiceice> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/CMakeLists.txt#L24
20140501 17:08:51< iceiceice> what is supposed to be authoritative? the wiki?
20140501 17:13:35< EdB> iceiceice: I guess you should git blame to find the most recent one and check the releated commit
20140501 17:19:46< iceiceice> good idea... it looks like we just got confused i guess
20140501 17:19:47< iceiceice> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/65e0cf6b9
20140501 17:19:54< iceiceice> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/9e7c002c
20140501 17:21:08< iceiceice> idk, i guess the INSTALL file should be the authority
20140501 17:22:20< iceiceice> only asking because i might add this boost random dependency soon, would like to get it right
20140501 17:23:57< shadowm> Changing dependencies may only be done after asking in the mailing list.
20140501 17:30:31< zookeeper> not that it affects me, but a dependency for getting a random number sounds pretty icky.
20140501 17:30:59< zookeeper> surely RNG's like that aren't much more than a couple of lines of code?
20140501 17:31:49< zookeeper> (or need to be)
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20140501 17:43:42< gfgtdf> do we currently have any plan for th 1.11.14 release ?
20140501 17:43:44< gfgtdf> the*
20140501 17:47:33< Ivanovic> since i am now back from business travel and should have recovered enough to be called "alive" sometime within the next 24h another dev release could be "soon"
20140501 17:47:38< Ivanovic> but there are no fixed plans (yet)
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20140501 18:01:24< iceiceice> shadowm, zookeeper: it wasnt on mailing list but on irc a few days ago mordante suggested that if we used boost random it wouldnt be a big deal
20140501 18:01:36< iceiceice> since we already use quite a bit of boost
20140501 18:02:55< iceiceice> if we made a change like this we wouldnt have to worry about random results on different machines being incompatible,
20140501 18:03:10< iceiceice> we wouldnt have to question our implementation, because it would be in a library maintained by experts
20140501 18:03:59< iceiceice> so we could just forget about it forever after that more or less
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20140501 18:44:07< iceiceice> gfgtdf: 
20140501 18:44:18< iceiceice> why does the random_new object count the number of random_calls?
20140501 18:44:31< iceiceice> the simple_rng object already does that
20140501 18:46:48< gfgtdf> iceiceice: the random_new  object count now many times the rng was called in the current context, if for exampe we have a rng_deterministic object they are not always equal .
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20140501 18:51:49< gfgtdf> Ivanovic: what do mean by "soon" ? in the next week ?
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20140501 18:54:45< iceiceice> gfgtdf: i see
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20140501 19:19:16< AI0867> Ivanovic: I'd really like to merge #155 first, but I think the mailinglist discussion was waiting on you?
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20140501 19:27:41< irker321> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:master ab5fec20d924 / src/scripting/lua.cpp: Insert lua_unit's contained pointer directly https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/ab5fec20d9249118d9083231f6f9e671d3df1c4e
20140501 19:27:41< irker321> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:master 060cc190088e / src/scripting/ (lua.cpp lua_api.cpp lua_api.hpp): Give lua_unit a put_map member function http://git.io/8Ge3rg
20140501 19:27:41< irker321> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:master 8ab34f0240b0 / src/scripting/ (lua.cpp lua_api.cpp lua_api.hpp): Merge branch 'lua_put_unit' (PR #158) http://git.io/KtCi2g
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20140501 19:30:24< gfgtdf> AI0867: merge that into 1.12 too ?
20140501 19:30:32< AI0867> gfgtdf: sure
20140501 19:30:35< gfgtdf> :)
20140501 19:31:34< AI0867> let's compile before pushing this though
20140501 19:31:56< gfgtdf> ok
20140501 19:32:54< gfgtdf> AI0867: how fast is your local compiling ?
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20140501 19:54:10< irker321> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:1.12 0343748a7f23 / src/scripting/lua.cpp: Insert lua_unit's contained pointer directly http://git.io/RxBJgQ
20140501 19:54:11< AI0867> already done, just distracted
20140501 19:54:12< irker321> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:1.12 5b92c1ef5575 / src/scripting/ (lua.cpp lua_api.cpp lua_api.hpp): Give lua_unit a put_map member function http://git.io/2NFrrQ
20140501 19:54:43< AI0867> and I'm off
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20140501 21:31:40< happygrue_> Ivanovic: okay, I'd support another dev release,  as it looks like MP testing is still being held up: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=569990#p569990
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20140501 21:40:01< happygrue> Also, welcome back to the land of the "almost alive".  :D
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20140501 22:22:00< Coffee_irc> wesbot seen fabi?
20140501 22:22:00< wesbot> Coffee_irc: The person with the nick fabi last spoke 3d 9h ago.  1d 10h ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth, #wesnoth-de and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Quit: Konversation terminated!
20140501 22:22:48< Coffee_irc> I suppose if the next release is due I should commit the patch I was working with fabi on to fix the drag+drop bug
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20140501 22:27:25< irker321> wesnoth: David Mikos wesnoth:master c53b204abdc7 / changelog src/mouse_handler_base.cpp src/mouse_handler_base.hpp: Fix bug #21491: fix drag+drop for unit movements https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/c53b204abdc722116ff2b3d486d0004b03454724
20140501 22:29:26< irker321> wesnoth: David Mikos wesnoth:master 0e401d31da99 / players_changelog: Add players changelog entry for drag+drop fix. http://git.io/LueHTA
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