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20140512 13:44:16< max_torch> hi all. anyone playing wesnoth right now? 20140512 13:56:58-!- happygrue [~happygrue@2601:6:4380:7df:9f3:7a0a:6262:d3d9] has joined #wesnoth 20140512 13:56:58-!- happygrue [~happygrue@2601:6:4380:7df:9f3:7a0a:6262:d3d9] has quit [Changing host] 20140512 13:56:58-!- happygrue [~happygrue@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has joined #wesnoth 20140512 13:57:55< fabi_> hi max_torch 20140512 13:58:21< fabi_> max_torch: I am playing a little with the engine, searching for bugs I might have introduced, does that count? 20140512 14:07:43-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: Computer's napping] 20140512 14:13:37-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has joined #wesnoth 20140512 14:22:33< max_torch> counts i guess 20140512 14:22:55< max_torch> as northerners right now i am getting slaughterd by undead 20140512 14:25:12< max_torch> what is github? all of the open source games are using it now.. 20140512 14:27:05< tdk27> it's a hosting service for projects that are using git for version control 20140512 14:27:07< tdk27> roughly speaking 20140512 14:27:29< max_torch> okay what is git 20140512 14:27:36-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20140512 14:27:36< max_torch> what is version control 20140512 14:27:43< max_torch> mind if i just keep asking? 20140512 14:29:09< tdk27> git is a distributed version control system, commonly used for open source/distributed development type projects 20140512 14:29:39< tdk27> version control is basically how you solve the problem of "I want to change this bit of a file, and see what happens, and easily either roll back or keep these changes and build on them" 20140512 14:29:52< tdk27> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revision_control 20140512 14:29:54< zookeeper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revision_control would explain it best i suppose 20140512 14:29:56< zookeeper> haha :p 20140512 14:30:03< tdk27> zookeeper: hah! 20140512 14:32:08< max_torch> but i can do that with any c program by always keeping a save of the original code before compiling it so that i have back up if the new version messes up... 20140512 14:32:12< max_torch> gonna check wiki link 20140512 14:33:09< max_torch> by the way i just as lost at orcs vs undead.. u guys would consider that a hard match up? 20140512 14:33:11< zookeeper> yeah but version control does that for you (semi-)automatically, and it doesn't make mistakes. not to mention that just managing a lump of files is practically impossible when you have many people working on them. 20140512 14:33:25< max_torch> *i meant 'i just lost' 20140512 14:33:48< tdk27> you can. but you're probably working on your C programs by yourself, not collaborating with hundreds of other people scattered across the world 20140512 14:34:02< tdk27> which makes the job of merging stuff back togehter and keeping changes straight a much more complicated one 20140512 14:35:15< zookeeper> it's already a huge pain to coordinate with one other person in, say, authoring something like an add-on campaign, if you just keep sending each other files with the changes you've made. 20140512 14:36:44< max_torch> so rather than send each other you send it to the github?> 20140512 14:37:05< zookeeper> more or less, yes 20140512 14:37:45< zookeeper> and git keeps track of each change and allows one to easily check which lines changed and so on, and makes sure that you're not accidentally overwriting each other's changes 20140512 14:39:16< zookeeper> of course it's more complicated than just keeping a lump of files on your harddrive, but if you need to collaborate or if your project is not very very simple and straightforward, then you pretty much need version control 20140512 14:39:55< zookeeper> otherwise you're gonna end up accidentally overwriting tons of stuff without a way to get it back, or not being able to keep track of what changed when and why and how do you get the old stuff back etc etc 20140512 14:40:27< max_torch> oh and i understand correct that anyone can alter or add to the project anytime and everytime that happens a sort of 'restore point' is made? so you can go back to any 'restore point' in the project? 20140512 14:40:47< zookeeper> well, anyone who has been given permission, yes. 20140512 14:41:14< max_torch> okay so i guess that is what you meant by semi-automatic 20140512 14:43:24< tdk27> but anyone at all can make a personal copy of the project to hack on, and roll up their changes in a way that is really easy to apply back to the main project if other people like them 20140512 14:46:03< max_torch> and wesnoth is based on SDL? SDL is a library for C? 20140512 14:46:09< zookeeper> for all intents and purposes, you can't do serious software development without version control because it's just impossible to keep track of so many things yourself 20140512 14:46:42< max_torch> so wesnoth was using github from the start? 20140512 14:46:43< zookeeper> SDL is a library for graphics/sound/input and some other stuff, and wesnoth uses it, yes 20140512 14:47:50< zookeeper> no, wesnoth was using svn until a few years ago (?) when we switched to git instead. they're just slightly different version control systems. 20140512 14:47:50< max_torch> also SDL was used from the start? it does not mean that the whole thing is SDL right? just some parts? like some parts is Lua, some parts SDL, some parts WML but these are all sort of libraries in C? 20140512 14:48:26< max_torch> maybe one day when i learn more i will contribute.. but now i am still a student.. 20140512 14:50:56< zookeeper> SDL was probably used from the start, although i'm not sure. anyway, using a library like SDL basically just means that your program will ask the library to perform some tasks that you don't want to code yourself for various reasons. 20140512 14:51:51< max_torch> yeah so i guess it is sort of like a bunch of macros that you can invoke 20140512 14:52:24< zookeeper> like, SDL will have some function to create a window on-screen that your program can then draw stuff on, and it'll work the same way on all platforms, so your program can just call that SDL function without needing to write complicated multi-platform code. 20140512 14:54:17< zookeeper> a gazillion different applications need to create a window on-screen and to have it work on multiple platforms so it'd be kinda stupid not to have a common library for that sort of things. 20140512 14:54:24-!- oldlaptop_ [~quassel@74.43.47.240] has joined #wesnoth 20140512 14:54:59-!- oldlaptop [~quassel@74.43.47.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20140512 14:58:11-!- 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