--- Log opened Thu Jun 12 00:00:04 2014
20140612 00:04:54< shadowm> Does any of the present have an MP save or replay with a really, really, *REALLY* long chat log?
20140612 00:08:27< happygrue> Not from anything too recent
20140612 00:08:59< happygrue> I could probably dig up one from stable...
20140612 00:09:19< shadowm> That probably won't work, unfortunately.
20140612 00:09:37< shadowm> Eh, I suppose I can spam m + CTRL+V for a while...
20140612 00:09:47< happygrue> I figured.
20140612 00:09:56< shadowm> Or change the log page extents, actually.
20140612 00:10:21< happygrue> I'll check the CB again later, my poor power supply fan is going and it was rather loud when I was compiling eariler... I think I'll give it a rest ;)
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20140612 00:10:50< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth#3110 (master - acd814f : Ignacio R. Morelle): The build was fixed.
20140612 00:10:50< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/27360506
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20140612 00:33:13< irker627> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 913333e3ef89 / src/gui/dialogs/chat_log.cpp: gui2/tchat_log: Refactor log formatting and page extents calculation http://git.io/ubHrhw
20140612 00:33:16< irker627> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 9b065fd9a0dd / / (4 files in 3 dirs): gui2/tchat_log: Add a button to copy the filtered page contents to clipboard http://git.io/KZHkcg
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20140612 01:01:30< happygrue> Aishiko: do you have a minute?
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20140612 02:04:23< shadowm> I'm going to rebuild the trunk/master wesnothd instance now, so if anyone is aware of reasons to not run it on the live server...
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20140612 02:05:14< bumbadadabum> so I decided to log on IRC again
20140612 02:06:15< vultraz> kudos
20140612 02:06:45< bumbadadabum> I decided since I'm done with school for the next few months I might try to get into wesnoth again
20140612 02:07:01< shadowm> Also, I'm going to rebuild and run the trunk/master campaignd, so the situation is likewise.
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20140612 02:13:53< bumbadadabum> oh boy look at the time
20140612 02:13:58< bumbadadabum> I didn't even realize it was 4am
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20140612 02:50:22< gfgtdf> shadowm: do you know the exact reason why we use simple_wml in teh wesnothd ? to save ran to save cputime? and is it even proved that it does save ?
20140612 02:50:51< shadowm> Dave did it per a special request around the time of the 1.4.x release series, so I assume he knew what he was doing.
20140612 02:55:22< irker627> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master e122da96e411 / utils/mp-server/update_server: update_server: Use $HOME/source for SOURCE_ROOT http://git.io/00lkcg
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20140612 02:57:17< irker627> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master 7e628340d065 / projectfiles/VC9/wesnoth.vcproj: Update VC project http://git.io/XIBYEA
20140612 02:57:17< gfgtdf> shadowm: you knwo where to fnd that request ?
20140612 02:57:19< irker627> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master f9936f12e411 / projectfiles/VC9/wesnoth.vcproj: Merge pull request #202 from aquileia/VC_update http://git.io/tZQMYA
20140612 02:57:37< shadowm> gfgtdf: Probably in some IRC log from Q4 2007, not really suer.
20140612 02:57:45< shadowm> sure. Damn, it's contagious.
20140612 02:58:26< shadowm> Here's the description in the wiki: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WesnothdDesign#simple_wml
20140612 02:58:50< Necrosporus> I have finished THoT last scenario in 216 turns
20140612 02:59:11< shadowm> Truly, there's no hope for humanity.
20140612 03:01:01< Necrosporus> And killed more units than in all the rest of this campaign
20140612 03:01:54< shadowm> That'd be because that scenario was made by Taurus, the author of NR, which features a similarly ludicrous gameplay scale.
20140612 03:02:17< shadowm> It's rather jarring considering that the rest of THoT is pretty much a cakewalk.
20140612 03:03:12< shadowm> It's also why I've never truly finished THoT.
20140612 03:04:35< mattsc> According to my savefiles, it took me 99 turns to finish that level.
20140612 03:05:10< mattsc> Ah, no, 111.
20140612 03:07:46< gfgtdf> shadowm: ok ty
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20140612 03:16:06< irker627> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 610070e4e4a8 / src/campaign_server/campaign_server.cpp: campaignd: Don't use GUI1 markup in [upload] response http://git.io/2xcfZg
20140612 03:23:57< irker627> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master e057cd3b817a / src/campaign_server/campaign_server.cpp: campaignd: A few style consistency fixes I missed before http://git.io/fN_8BQ
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20140612 04:29:23< irker627> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master d0d95f2f9f7a / data/tools/wesnoth_addon_manager: wam: Use a tuple for the --change-passphrase argument's metavar http://git.io/RG4_VQ
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20140612 06:32:49< Necrosporus> mattsc, can you share replay of THoT last ?
20140612 06:33:10< Necrosporus> or anyone else who have one for 1.11
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20140612 06:38:41< Necrosporus> I haven't finished the last scenario of NR in time, so I turned debug mode on and increased turn limit. Though I guess it's because I decided to move Tallin south to take a small keep near blue orc and didn't recruit anything during that time
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20140612 08:18:42< Necrosporus> Second scenario (caves of dwarves) of NR has a problem, a patch of grass has underground timezone
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20140612 09:09:20< Necrosporus> In first scenario of NR when other orc kill blue one it says something like "slaves uprising" even though it's not very relevant at that point
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20140612 09:14:21< vultraz> Huh
20140612 09:14:28< vultraz> When was F5 reloading in the editor broken?
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20140612 09:22:57< Necrosporus> "What the...? (<i>Gurgle</i>) Hey! Look... a slave... uprising!"
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20140612 09:24:18< vultraz> "No shit, Sherlock!" 
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20140612 11:15:36< Turuk> Necrosporus: I'm going to be revamping NR
20140612 11:48:28< Necrosporus> Turuk, do you want any suggestions?
20140612 11:48:39< Turuk> Necrosporus: Open to any and all
20140612 11:48:53< Turuk> If you can send me a list by PM or through query, that would be appreciated
20140612 11:49:19< Necrosporus> Anything else to pay attention, I'm completing the second scenario right now?
20140612 11:50:05< Turuk> Eh, it's all sort of rough, dialogue, characters, huge battles and maps
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20140612 13:23:26< mattsc> Necrosporus: my replay is from 1.11.6+dev, so it won’t work with 1.11.15.   And I just tried and it is corrupt even in 1.11.7.    :\ 
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20140612 14:29:17< iceiceice_> vultraz: it looks like f5 in the editor is broken in 1.12 also
20140612 14:29:24< iceiceice_> i think you should report as a bug
20140612 14:29:38< vultraz> I actually believe it has been
20140612 14:29:39< vultraz> Lemme check
20140612 14:30:29< iceiceice_> oh you know what
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20140612 14:30:32< iceiceice_> i dont think its actually broken
20140612 14:30:39< iceiceice_> i think its just that it resets what window is active
20140612 14:30:51< iceiceice_> idk maybe you consider that broken
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20140612 14:30:59< iceiceice_> i thoguht it was much worse when i tried it though
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20140612 14:32:14< vultraz> I was using 1.11.15, so I guess that's why it didn't work
20140612 14:32:20< vultraz> it says fixed here: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?21717
20140612 14:34:01< iceiceice_> ok i was worried cause i changed something in the display like 2 days ago that could cause you to segfault if the pointers dont work right, and i had to rework part of editor code
20140612 14:34:06< iceiceice_> but i guess that part isnt broken
20140612 14:35:22< vultraz> (should that bug be closed, then?)
20140612 14:35:39< iceiceice_> i guess if it affected 1.11.15,
20140612 14:35:44< iceiceice_> it shouldn't be closed until 1.11.16
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20140612 15:12:13< irker485> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:alep_android_port 2662091b5553 / src/hotkeys.cpp: Android port 1.10.7-32 update from Alessandro Pira http://git.io/_S2wgw
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20140612 15:14:47< mattsc> iceiceice_: do I remember that correctly that you moved the information who won a nogui game to one of the log-domains?  If so, which one?  (It doesn’t seem to be displayed by default any more.)
20140612 15:15:02< iceiceice_> yeah its in "ai-testing" now
20140612 15:15:35< mattsc> Okay, thanks.  Fred’s ready for another round of batch testing.  :)
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20140612 15:16:36< gfgtdf> thunderstruck: can you take  look at (you dont have to real all content it's mainly about commit message): https://github.com/gfgtdf/wesnoth-old/commit/8c2deec47997da36d2afe442ea4160ac5f877dd1
20140612 15:21:01< iceiceice_> gfgtdf: i'm going to change the name of the saved_game object variable in play_controller to saved_game_,
20140612 15:21:07< iceiceice_> is that goign to cause a merge conflict with your pr?
20140612 15:21:16< iceiceice_> if so i will wait
20140612 15:21:34< gfgtdf> iceiceice_: most liley yes
20140612 15:21:41< gfgtdf> iceiceice_: waitign is better
20140612 15:21:43< iceiceice_> ok
20140612 15:22:08< gfgtdf> iceiceice_: do you have an optinio abotu te commit i posted abpve ?
20140612 15:22:55< gfgtdf> opinion*
20140612 15:24:14< mattsc> iceiceice_: glad to see that there’s a difference between log-debug and log-info.  Also the end_turn information will come in handy.
20140612 15:25:31< iceiceice_> mattsc: yeah... we could rework it also if it could still be improved
20140612 15:25:35< mattsc> Ah, it’s written to stderr though, not stdout.  (which isn’t a problem, just needs a small change in my script)
20140612 15:25:37< iceiceice_> i just changed it when i needed to get the unit tests to work
20140612 15:26:02< iceiceice_> was it always on cout?
20140612 15:26:16< mattsc> it was before
20140612 15:26:18< iceiceice_> i thoguht that it was sometimes on cout and sometimes on cerr
20140612 15:26:36< mattsc> well, the winner information was on cout.
20140612 15:26:39< iceiceice_> i see
20140612 15:26:42< mattsc> I don’t know on the rest.
20140612 15:26:48< mattsc> s/on/about
20140612 15:27:04< mattsc> iceiceice_: no need to rewrite for me.  Fred has its own statistics output, it’s just the winner information that I got from the AI output itself.
20140612 15:28:48< iceiceice_> gfgtdf: i think its better if commits dont break things, otherwise if any of those things is actually broken before your commit its hard to bisect and figure it out
20140612 15:29:02< iceiceice_> but if the easiest way to improve things is to break temporarily then sure
20140612 15:34:08< gfgtdf> iceiceice_: i didnt test, but i assumed the the commits in the pr before alrady break a lot of mp stuff so my plan waas stpwise enabling it
20140612 15:35:23< gfgtdf> iceiceice_: when biesecting is the merge commit tested as one commit or is every commit in the pr testd sperately ?
20140612 15:35:57< gfgtdf> iceiceice_: i actualy think the frist option woudl be better
20140612 15:35:57< iceiceice_> usually you test each commit in the pr separately
20140612 15:36:09< iceiceice_> i mean you keep going until you find the problem
20140612 15:36:25< iceiceice_> until you can say "test passed here, then failed here"
20140612 15:36:48< iceiceice_> but with the eras stuff i guess its probably broken on current master anyways
20140612 15:37:23< gfgtdf> iceiceice_: not not ion 1.12 ?
20140612 15:37:31< iceiceice_> i think its both?
20140612 15:37:34< iceiceice_> i think tek reported this in forums
20140612 15:37:46< iceiceice_> that era events are not carried over to subsequent scenario
20140612 15:38:12< iceiceice_> or like, only prestart are or something like this
20140612 15:38:14< gfgtdf> iceiceice_: is there a wnrty in tah bugtracker ?
20140612 15:38:18< gfgtdf> entry*
20140612 15:38:21< iceiceice_> i dont think so
20140612 15:40:42< gfgtdf> bbl
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20140612 15:46:51< travis-ci> [travis-ci] gfgtdf/wesnoth-old#130 (gamestate_refactor - 7b92743 : gfgtdf): The build was broken.
20140612 15:46:51< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/gfgtdf/wesnoth-old/builds/27413724
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20140612 15:49:03< Spoffy> I don't know if it's just me paying more attention, but Wesnoth seems to build much, much slower than that year's version... :P
20140612 15:55:08< iceiceice_> what year's version?
20140612 15:58:03< Spoffy> I was on the asio_umcd branch, Oct 13.
20140612 15:58:23< Spoffy> (Oct 13 being last commit date, the branch forked earlier)
20140612 15:58:46< Spoffy> This is just a feeling though. Might run a few tests.
20140612 15:59:57< iceiceice_> it might very well have gotten slower, theres been alot of changes
20140612 16:00:21< iceiceice_> the editor is now compiled into the project,
20140612 16:00:36< iceiceice_> if you are running the wml unit tests that takes a few minutes,
20140612 16:01:07< iceiceice_> it depends what version you are on, at one point there was an include that caused map and terrain code to be included everywhere, but i have since refactored it out
20140612 16:02:41< Spoffy> Mmk, that might influence it heavily. It's not running the unit tests as I hit an SDL linking error, so I've had to update and continue compilation. That sounds horrific.
20140612 16:03:26< iceiceice_> y idk if there is a good way to profile the build?
20140612 16:03:31< iceiceice_> it would be nice to know what is taking a long time
20140612 16:03:36< iceiceice_> and ideally what things are included in lots of places
20140612 16:03:53< iceiceice_> if we hit 50 minutes for the build, travis times us out so we want to stay well away from that
20140612 16:04:08< iceiceice_> i already disabled the wml unit tests on the gcc build to compensate
20140612 16:04:28< iceiceice_> Spoffy: also there are various things options you can pass to speed things up,
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20140612 16:04:41< iceiceice_> cxxtool=clang, and --jobs 3 does a lot for me
20140612 16:04:50< iceiceice_> if you are using scons that is
20140612 16:05:19< Spoffy> Yeah, I don't know, profiling the build would definitely be a nice feature. I don't have clang, might grab it though so I can test properly.  I'll give those a shot and see what happens.
20140612 16:07:58< Spoffy> I suspect profiling wouldn't be too hard to implement in scons. Can't speak for cmake, as I don't know the language well enough.
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20140612 16:12:02< Spoffy> Man, it's been like, 10 minutes just doing 10% of the build.
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20140612 16:12:42< Spoffy> I definitely need to investigate this, on the other branch I set it going, went for a shower and it was done when I was back, I'm sure.
20140612 16:13:06< Spoffy> Ah, but maybe I was using scons. Wonder if that makes a big difference?
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20140612 16:13:38< vultraz> Builds usually take aroubnd 20 minutes for me, but I haven't built in awhile, so that figure ay be outdated
20140612 16:22:24< iceiceice_> Spoffy: 20 minutes is about right for me also, with scons and clang
20140612 16:22:38< iceiceice_> usually when i wake up, i run a "pull_rebuild_all" script
20140612 16:22:49< iceiceice_> which checks out 1.12, builds debug and release,
20140612 16:22:53< iceiceice_> then changes to master, builds debug and release
20140612 16:23:02< iceiceice_> to warmup the ccache,
20140612 16:23:07< iceiceice_> then its 5 minutes to build for the rest of the day
20140612 16:23:15< iceiceice_> and its usually done after i finish shower and breakfast
20140612 16:23:24< iceiceice_> unless i change a key header
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20140612 16:24:02< iceiceice> * the 5 minutes part i mean
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20140612 16:30:34< Spoffy> iceiceice: Sounds about right. Let me re-run this and time it and see how long it takes.
20140612 16:31:17< Spoffy> iceiceice: Oh, actually, I've still got this libsdl link error. I'll see if I can patch it after dinner. 
20140612 16:31:34< iceiceice> you can try building with sdl2 = no?
20140612 16:31:43< iceiceice> or maybe you are already doing that
20140612 16:32:04< Spoffy> I'm not sure, I'm just using default 'cmake ..' at the moment, followed by make.
20140612 16:32:23< Spoffy> Oddly, none of the scripts are giving errors or warnings, which they should if there's a missing dependency.
20140612 16:33:02< Spoffy> Gonna try scons and see if it makes a difference.
20140612 16:33:55< Spoffy> I'll let you know how it goes when I'm back from dinner.
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20140612 17:16:21< irker485> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:master 7960e4746ff7 / SConstruct src/SConscript: Fix SDL2 compilation with scons http://git.io/SuSIaw
20140612 17:16:23< irker485> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:master 8edbae987678 / src/video.cpp: Don't offer resolutions below the minimum size http://git.io/rupgIQ
20140612 17:16:25< irker485> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:master c7d8f5654d47 / src/video.cpp: Always show the minimum resolution http://git.io/3I0e1Q
20140612 17:16:27< irker485> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:master 392ef8b1bd51 / / (35 files in 11 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of github.com:wesnoth/wesnoth http://git.io/0xY-Nw
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20140612 17:35:58< Spoffy> iceiceice: Looks like SCons built fine. Might be an issue with the CMake in master.
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20140612 17:44:14< mattsc> Do I see that right that in HttT Blackwater Port on easy, the player and allied AI together have 220 gold (plus bonus) and the enemy AI has 100?
20140612 17:44:45< mattsc> So … instructions for an AI to play the player’s side for that scenario would be trivial.
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20140612 17:46:41< iceiceice> mattsc: i also find that the droid can trivially win TSG scenario 1
20140612 17:46:58< iceiceice> i think also on medium?
20140612 17:47:01< iceiceice> don't remember exactly
20140612 17:47:06< iceiceice> its useful for testing
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20140612 17:48:38< mattsc> iceiceice: yeah, I bet there are scenarios like that out there.  I think the main problem with my next pet project (writing AIs that can play all the way through HttT) is going to be leveling units and keeping those alive.
20140612 17:49:55< iceiceice> mattsc: as a warmup, it might be worthwhile to make an ai that can do that while using cheats
20140612 17:50:15< mattsc> cheats meaning (in this context)?
20140612 17:50:26< iceiceice> idk allow arbitrary gold or something like this
20140612 17:50:38< iceiceice> i mean half of the difficulty at least is identifying what the goals are, no?
20140612 17:51:10< mattsc> Well, yes, the instructions need to be specific to the scenario.  Even human players get instructions that are specific to the scenario.
20140612 17:51:11< iceiceice> if we had an ai that could automatically play through campaigns while on debug mode basically, that would be super usefulf or testing
20140612 17:51:20< mattsc> They are called objectives.  :D
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20140612 17:52:19< mattsc> Having an AI that automatically figures out how best to play each scenario is not on my list right now…
20140612 17:53:18< Necrosporus> mattsc, can you somehow make AI do not risk mission-critical units?
20140612 17:53:40< mattsc> Yes, that’s part of the instructions it would get.
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20140612 17:54:02< Necrosporus> or only way to make AI play scenarios is to set their max_moves to 0 so they won't move into danger?
20140612 17:54:10< mattsc> And I have a setup that does that for the first scenario of HttT.  I’ve never seen it lose a game (on easy)
20140612 17:54:31< Necrosporus> what about other scenarios?
20140612 17:54:40< Necrosporus> and other campaigns
20140612 17:54:47< mattsc> I haven’t tried other scenarios yet.
20140612 17:55:07< mattsc> There are many ways to accomplish that, and what’s best really depends on the scenario specifics.
20140612 17:58:26< mattsc> Necrosporus: you can check out  the current setup for the first HttT scenario yourself using one of the MAI test scenarios:  ./wesnoth -t The_Elves_Besieged
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20140612 18:44:04< mattsc> Well, I am disappointed.  Fred lost a game to the RCA AI.  :(
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20140612 19:02:05< travis-ci> [travis-ci] gfgtdf/wesnoth-old#131 (gamestate_refactor - 3f70a4a : gfgtdf): The build is still failing.
20140612 19:02:05< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/gfgtdf/wesnoth-old/builds/27429407
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20140612 19:03:06< iceiceice> mattsc: can't win them all 
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20140612 19:05:39< mattsc> iceiceice: why not?  ;)
20140612 19:05:59< mattsc> Well, he won 299/300, so I guess I can’t complain too much.
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20140612 20:08:02< shadowm> Turuk, Necrosporus : Isn't there an NR revamp add-on in the server?
20140612 20:13:11< mattsc> Just did a reduced batch of tests of Fred with 100 gold vs. RCA AI with 150.
20140612 20:13:31< mattsc> Result:  Fred: 55 - RCA: 5
20140612 20:13:44< mattsc> I guess it’s time for some human player testing …
20140612 20:15:04< Necrosporus> shadowm, possibly
20140612 20:15:21< Necrosporus> Do you think it's better than default?
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20140612 20:19:40< shadowm> I have no idea, I only wanted to point out its existence since Turuk seems to be interested in rewriting NR and duplicating efforts is rarely a good thing to do.
20140612 20:25:20< Necrosporus> Posted on wrong channel... so this addon doesn't work out of the box ,though I guess it's easily fixable
20140612 20:26:44< Necrosporus> Maybe FLAG_VARIANT6 was removed from 1.11 somehow?
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20140612 20:29:21< Necrosporus> shadowm, can you backport FLAG_VARIANT6 from 1.13?
20140612 20:29:32< Necrosporus> or it would be against feature freeze?
20140612 20:29:44< Necrosporus> I guess not, as it's only a macro
20140612 20:29:54< shadowm> Not until I receive an explanation as to what the deal with that is or find out myself.
20140612 20:30:07< shadowm> I'm currently preoccupied with far more pressing matters.
20140612 20:31:20< Turuk> shadowm: I'm not sure where it's at, I could look to see if there is some value to avoid duplication
20140612 20:31:31< Necrosporus> shadowm, it's used in some addon and it's same as FLAG_VARIANT but with six frames instead of four
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20140612 20:33:33< shadowm> Turuk: It's rather old topic but you might also find some value in it: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=32239
20140612 20:33:37< shadowm> *a rather
20140612 20:34:14< Turuk> shadowm: Still valuable, thanks
20140612 20:38:27< Turuk> I figured if I am going to maintain it, might as well fix some of the bigger issues
20140612 20:46:54< Necrosporus> Turuk, the biggest one is it doesn't even load in 1.12
20140612 20:52:37< Necrosporus> btw is there any pair of official campaigns where you could play from both sides?
20140612 20:53:03< Necrosporus> Like playing for Ashiviere and Li'sar to stop Konrad and Delfador
20140612 20:53:20< Necrosporus> Or Mal M'Brin to destroy south guard
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20140612 20:55:32< travis-ci> [travis-ci] gfgtdf/wesnoth-old#133 (gamestate_refactor - e1aafee : gfgtdf): The build is still failing.
20140612 20:55:32< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/gfgtdf/wesnoth-old/builds/27437964
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20140612 20:55:50< Aishiko> I'd not think so, since each campaign is really part of the history and lore of that is wesnoth, at least for the standard included campaigns (IE Kanon (sp?) ones) as a designer of a campaign your free to do that if you wish
20140612 20:56:21< shadowm> Aishiko: Branch? :)
20140612 20:56:57< Aishiko> shadowm, ahh right, thanks for the reminder
20140612 20:58:18< gfgtdf> iceiceice: do you think we can make a third "no stricot compilation" bild in travis? So that we can fix them all at once ?
20140612 20:58:26< shadowm> Aishiko: It's just a push...
20140612 20:58:46< iceiceice> ok
20140612 20:58:51< shadowm> From what I gather you were already working on a local version of the branch.
20140612 20:59:12< gfgtdf> iceiceice: it'as kinda annoying if i see a error (warning) fix it and onyl the nsee the next error
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20140612 21:01:21< Aishiko> shadowm, yes thats right, the commits that compiled got sent to the wrong branch (my fault) fixing that before pulling from fork to master
20140612 21:02:13< shadowm> Uh, "pulling from fork to master"?
20140612 21:02:34< irker485> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master 5e733408f8fe / .travis.yml: add a "no strict compilation" clang build to travis http://git.io/9SVjdA
20140612 21:02:36< irker485> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master b480971d5d4d / SConstruct src/SConscript src/video.cpp: Merge branch 'master' of git://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth http://git.io/qLbFFQ
20140612 21:02:41< Aishiko> or is the right phrase pushing not pulling?
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20140612 21:02:59< iceiceice> Aishiko: idk, it depends on your meaning :p
20140612 21:03:05< gfgtdf> iceiceice: another thing: i'd like to "mp_scenario_name", "mp_scenario", "difficulty_define", "mp_campaign" from mp_game_settings to remove redundant information in savefiles, and this also implies from wesnoth.game_config .mp_settings  since you implemented then do you see any problems with that ?
20140612 21:03:10< gfgtdf> iceiceice: oh that was fast :)
20140612 21:03:10< wesbot> gfgtdf: Sometimes we are fast
20140612 21:03:10< iceiceice> gfgtdf: ^
20140612 21:03:14< shadowm> Aishiko: git push is for pushing (writing to another repository), git pull is for pulling (reading from another repository).
20140612 21:03:48< iceiceice> gfgtdf: i dont think i implemented them, maybe i copied the code around or smth
20140612 21:03:51< shadowm> I thought you were working on a separate branch to avoid issues with lipkab's efforts so that the push would be to the spritesheets branch and not master, although maybe I handle outdated info.
20140612 21:03:58< shadowm> *conflicts
20140612 21:04:44< gfgtdf> iceiceice: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/87
20140612 21:04:51< gfgtdf> iceiceice: rty for travisbuild
20140612 21:05:11< iceiceice> gfgtdf: crap i think i did it wrong though
20140612 21:05:16< iceiceice> it made 6 jobs now
20140612 21:05:16< Aishiko> shadowm, I am and we are doing exactly that, I guess, oohhh thats right it would be origin no master as in pulling/pushing to the wesnoth/wesnoth spritesheet branch
20140612 21:05:57< shadowm> Aishiko: If wesnoth/wesnoth is your origin, then yes.
20140612 21:06:32< shadowm> The 'origin' remote is usually just the first remote you cloned the repository from. When people work with forks that is often not the original upstream, so the name becomes misleading.
20140612 21:06:47< iceiceice> oh fuck
20140612 21:07:01< iceiceice> lr
20140612 21:07:15< irker485> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master 11450af7f6a6 / .travis.yml: fixup travis.yml http://git.io/TtjJMQ
20140612 21:07:21< iceiceice> i closed my command line :( lost my build
20140612 21:07:35< Aishiko> shadowm, I named my fork "fork"
20140612 21:08:05< shadowm> Right, then wesnoth/wesnoth is probably your 'origin'.
20140612 21:08:21< iceiceice> gfgtdf: i think its working right now
20140612 21:09:28< Aishiko> thats the way I think of it
20140612 21:09:35< gfgtdf> iceiceice: it loks liek we have 2 build with STRICT_COMPILATION=False now
20140612 21:09:47< iceiceice> oops you arer right
20140612 21:11:06< irker485> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master a035ae61c0e1 / .travis.yml: fixup travis.yml http://git.io/BrH7lw
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20140612 21:18:59< iceiceice> hmm
20140612 21:19:51< gfgtdf> ?
20140612 21:21:50< shadowm> Two commits with identical subjects.
20140612 21:22:24< irker485> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 090f8bf0cb20 / utils/mp-server/update_server: update_server: Build from master if the $VERISON is not recognized http://git.io/35F8-Q
20140612 21:22:27< irker485> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 1a1ccea4cba3 / utils/mp-server/update_server: update_server: 1.11 is the 1.12 branch http://git.io/KgjqXA
20140612 21:23:36< gfgtdf> shadowm is that a problem ?
20140612 21:24:02< shadowm> It looks funny in commit listings.
20140612 21:24:49< iceiceice> third time's a charm
20140612 21:28:04< iceiceice> well that looks to have gummed up all the travis builds for the next 2 hours :/
20140612 21:28:44< gfgtdf> the 6 from teh first commit ?
20140612 21:29:02< gfgtdf> iceiceice: or do you think 3 builds is a no good idea ?
20140612 21:29:10< iceiceice> no i mean the 6 from first
20140612 21:29:13< iceiceice> then 3 from second
20140612 21:29:15< iceiceice> then 3 from third
20140612 21:29:37< gfgtdf> iceiceice: hm you can abpout build if you wnat
20140612 21:29:40< gfgtdf> abort*
20140612 21:29:44< iceiceice> how do you do that?
20140612 21:29:57< iceiceice> ah i see
20140612 21:30:04< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i think the button is at teh same position sa teh redo button
20140612 21:30:12< gfgtdf> the rety build button imean
20140612 21:30:15< gfgtdf> retry*
20140612 21:30:55< iceiceice> i made some kind of wierd issue in my branch where
20140612 21:30:57< iceiceice> you dont get footsteps
20140612 21:32:28< iceiceice> hmm actually idk if its just in my branch?
20140612 21:32:30< iceiceice> i will check
20140612 21:32:36< iceiceice> it didnt appear at the commit where i thought
20140612 21:33:09< shadowm> iceiceice: "It is also listed as an "easy coding task", so maybe a gsoc applicant will do it:" -- Don't give the forumers false hopes, they mightn't be aware that this means they have to wait until next year.
20140612 21:34:02< iceiceice> i guess i didnt realize this was potentially backportable to 1.12.1
20140612 21:34:40< irker485> wesnoth: loonycyborg wesnoth:1.12 e0426095fd04 / SConstruct: scons: Made out-of-tree builds with -Y option work http://git.io/hWHFww
20140612 21:34:56< shadowm> Well, it isn't.
20140612 21:35:28< shadowm> But I meant that it'll not be until next February/March that GSoC applicants will try their luck at implementing "easy" coding tasks.
20140612 21:36:10< iceiceice> hmm ok
20140612 21:36:22< iceiceice> i guess i didnt think anyone was hoping they would get their hands on any new features until at least then
20140612 21:36:50< shadowm> While features are already being committed to master and promoted in the forums?
20140612 21:37:15< irker485> wesnoth: loonycyborg wesnoth:1.10 1d54d374c53d / SConstruct: scons: Made out-of-tree builds with -Y option work http://git.io/Ox93zg
20140612 21:38:09< iceiceice> i think i wrote that before you started filling allt hese feature requests
20140612 21:39:03< shadowm> I haven't filed any feature requests?
20140612 21:39:16< iceiceice> you started filling the one about copy paste buttons
20140612 21:39:27< shadowm> You mean fulfill?
20140612 21:39:37< iceiceice> fill and fulfill are synonyms in this context
20140612 21:39:48< shadowm> It's hilarious because it was already there: https://gist.github.com/shikadilord/7395078
20140612 21:39:58< shadowm> "Last active 4 months ago".
20140612 21:40:24< shadowm> Besides, fabi already published his work on the swappable cores feature and promoted it in the forums.
20140612 21:40:45< iceiceice> i guess you are right, there are some things being filled and promoted
20140612 21:41:07< shadowm> (Also, you wrote that *after* my commits.) :p
20140612 21:41:26< iceiceice> hmm...
20140612 21:41:39< iceiceice> maybe i was preoccupied or something
20140612 21:41:47< iceiceice> actually i think i will go for food now, i skipped lunch today
20140612 21:42:03< iceiceice> that's my excuse for sloppy commits / not seeing commits go by :p
20140612 21:42:21< iceiceice> i really would like to push my branch beore i go... but probably not the best idea at this point
20140612 21:42:26< irker485> wesnoth: loonycyborg wesnoth:1.8 c94b0e4e4414 / SConstruct: scons: Made out-of-tree builds with -Y option work http://git.io/D6MaoQ
20140612 21:42:39< c74d> iceiceice: Some people around here mistakenly refer to “filling” rather than “filing” or “filling out” issue reports/feature requests.
20140612 21:44:06< loonycyborg> They're filling it with words..
20140612 21:44:18< Spoffy> iceiceice: 36m20s build time for Wesnoth using scons.
20140612 21:45:25< iceiceice> sure i mean you "fill a form"
20140612 21:45:44< iceiceice> but i think that gramatically only makes sense if you think of a feature request primarily as a form rather than a request
20140612 21:45:50< iceiceice> it depends on your point of view i suppose
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20140612 21:46:19< c74d> One “fills out” a form, at least here.
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20140612 21:46:43< gfgtdf> iceiceice: do you know which wml or which c++ prevents the user from choosing a faction in LoW mp ?
20140612 21:46:49< c74d> It is different in your dialect of English?
20140612 21:46:59< iceiceice> c74d: you can fill a form also
20140612 21:47:12< iceiceice> but i would also fill a request i suppose
20140612 21:47:24< iceiceice> or fill a demand
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20140612 21:47:51< iceiceice> gfgtdf: i think its "allow_player=no"
20140612 21:47:53< iceiceice> in wml
20140612 21:47:57< iceiceice> ohh
20140612 21:48:02< iceiceice> thats not what you meant
20140612 21:48:06< iceiceice> i think its force_
20140612 21:48:08< iceiceice> or lock_
20140612 21:48:09< iceiceice> something
20140612 21:48:22< iceiceice> also i think thunderstruck is planning to fix that up soon, it wasn't workign properly in some cases
20140612 21:48:55< c74d> Wiktionary has “6. (transitive) To satisfy or obey (an order, request, or requirement).”, with the example “The pharmacist filled my prescription for penicillin.”, but that seems to me a rare sense for anything other than an order (for goods, not an order as in a command).
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20140612 21:49:49< iceiceice> c74d: i guess when i think of requests or demands i think of like "multicommodity flow" problem in computer science
20140612 21:49:49< c74d> iceiceice, what dialect of English is your “fill a form” from?
20140612 21:49:55< gfgtdf> iceiceice: hm ok
20140612 21:50:03< iceiceice> c74d: i'm an american
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20140612 21:50:17< iceiceice> i grew up in the north east, went to school in california,
20140612 21:50:23< iceiceice> my fathers family is from the mid west
20140612 21:50:32< iceiceice> i think i have some unusual coloquialisms in my dialect,
20140612 21:50:42< iceiceice> but i think "fill a form" is pretty mainstream
20140612 21:50:47< iceiceice> maybe more common is "fill out a form"
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20140612 21:51:23< c74d> I’m Californian, though I’ve blended other dialects into mine over time; I’d never say “fill a form”.
20140612 21:51:44< iceiceice> yeah i guess the americanism is "fill out a form"
20140612 21:51:57< iceiceice> i wouldnt be confused by fill a form though
20140612 21:52:41< c74d> Wiktionary doesn’t seem to recognize this sense of “fill”, but I’ll certainly admit that it could be valid elsewhere.
20140612 21:53:04< iceiceice> hmm
20140612 21:53:18< iceiceice> yeah idk im not sure if i can think of any pop-culture reference where someone fills a form
20140612 21:53:22< iceiceice> maybe fills some paperwork?
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20140612 21:54:46< iceiceice> hmm yeah maybe you are right
20140612 21:55:00< iceiceice> in that case i guess "fill a feature request" is somewhat unambiguous
20140612 21:56:19< c74d> I’d say it’s ambiguous; you were using “fill” as in “fill an order [for goods]”, whereas the usual meaning around here is “file”.
20140612 21:56:45< iceiceice> i mean wiktionary also acknowledges fill a request
20140612 21:56:56< iceiceice> file is a different word altogether :)
20140612 21:57:16< irker485> wesnoth: loonycyborg wesnoth:1.10 e545e188a72f / SConstruct: Made location of .scons-option-cache modifiable from command line. http://git.io/rDJoLA
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20140612 21:57:24< iceiceice> its also like, fill a gap
20140612 21:57:26< iceiceice> fill a hole
20140612 21:57:38< iceiceice> filling a gap in the wesnoth program
20140612 21:57:45< iceiceice> i guess its more metaphorical
20140612 21:57:51< iceiceice> you wouldnt file a hole
20140612 21:58:07< iceiceice> ok im really going for lunch now before this gets sillier
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20140612 21:58:33< c74d> <c74d> Wiktionary has “6. […]” […], but that seems to me a rare sense for anything other than an order (for goods, not an order as in a command).
20140612 21:59:01< c74d> I’m quite aware that “file” is a different word, which is why this conversation started.
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20140612 22:56:34< iceiceice_> hmm how come it says we dont have a .travis.yml
20140612 22:57:02< gfgtdf> iceiceice_: can you please say how the controller tweaks work when advancing to a new scenario? Esepcialy how it is made that the client don't receive teh controller tweaks before teh next scenario
20140612 22:57:43< gfgtdf> iceiceice_: :O where does he say that ?
20140612 22:57:51< iceiceice_> in one of the travis logs
20140612 22:57:56< iceiceice_> also i dont see it in the repo
20140612 22:58:18< iceiceice_> oh there it is
20140612 22:58:24< iceiceice_> https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/27443358
20140612 22:58:29< iceiceice_> this build didnt find it somehow...
20140612 22:58:49< iceiceice_> gfgtdf: i think that what happens is, the clients probably do get the controller tweaks when the scenario starts,
20140612 22:58:54< iceiceice_> they get them again however when the clients continue
20140612 22:59:00< gfgtdf> iceiceice_: mabye becasue its 1.8 ?
20140612 22:59:05< iceiceice_> ye maybe
20140612 22:59:31< iceiceice_> gfgtdf: i got really worried about this a few months ago
20140612 22:59:44< iceiceice_> when i was like, uhhh, linger mode is totally borked
20140612 23:00:02< iceiceice_> and the solution that you came up with was basically to change linger mode so that it doesnt really happen in networked mp
20140612 23:00:11< gfgtdf> 	iceiceice_: in my current working branch it seems to be broken, because the client recieve teh controler tweaks during teh mp wait,
20140612 23:00:13< iceiceice_> and soon as the host makes next level available the clients transfer
20140612 23:00:33< iceiceice_> gfgtdf: hmm well
20140612 23:00:48< iceiceice_> the way it used tow ork before i changed ti was,
20140612 23:00:54< iceiceice_> the controller tweaks would always happen on client side
20140612 23:00:56< iceiceice_> in play_campaign
20140612 23:01:03< iceiceice_> they would check if io_type = server, client
20140612 23:01:06< iceiceice_> and tweak appropriately
20140612 23:01:12< iceiceice_> so that was even beore play_scenario
20140612 23:01:19< iceiceice_> the way it works now,
20140612 23:01:25< iceiceice_> they happen just after host clicks start button
20140612 23:01:35< iceiceice_> i wanted it to be like, they happen just after sides are shuffled
20140612 23:01:48< iceiceice_> thats the closest that it can be and still be server side
20140612 23:02:22< iceiceice_> but when i first wrote it i had preconcieved notions about how ligner mode and transfer to next scenario works
20140612 23:02:42< iceiceice_> so we put a band-aid on that aspect of it,
20140612 23:02:45< iceiceice_> that's how i look at it
20140612 23:03:07< iceiceice_> i think it would be better if linger mode worked more like sp linger mode,
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20140612 23:03:15< iceiceice_> but i think that requires server rewrite
20140612 23:04:12< iceiceice_> right now there are two circumstances when the server sends controller tweaks
20140612 23:04:17< iceiceice_> (1) the host sends [start]
20140612 23:04:24< iceiceice_> (2) a client requests the next level
20140612 23:04:29< iceiceice_> in case (2) only that client gets the tweaks
20140612 23:04:38< iceiceice_> in case (1) everyone gets the tweaks, including host
20140612 23:04:43< iceiceice_> but they are all custom tweaked
20140612 23:04:54< iceiceice_> so the host gets commands like "change side 4 to human" when it is already human
20140612 23:04:57< iceiceice_> and it therefore ignores those
20140612 23:04:58< gfgtdf> iceiceice_: ok ty for imformation
20140612 23:05:07< gfgtdf> iceiceice_: maybe i ust accidnetly disabled case 2 somehow
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20140612 23:13:32< gfgtdf> iceiceice_: ok prbolem solved :)
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20140612 23:19:26< iceiceice_> :)
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20140612 23:41:12< Necrosporus_>  I think TEI is way too hard on hard
20140612 23:41:30< Necrosporus_> I won first scenario only by third or fourth attempt
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20140612 23:44:20< shadowm> Eastern Invasion?
20140612 23:44:39< Necrosporus_> Yes
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20140612 23:45:02< shadowm> It's an Intermediate level campaign. You could consider its medium difficulty to be designed for expert players. Do you consider yourself an expert?
20140612 23:45:48< Necrosporus> I play wesnoth for few years, and completed UtBS on hard
20140612 23:46:44< Necrosporus> I think it's pretty winnable if you know everything what happens in advance
20140612 23:47:26< Necrosporus> For example seem only viable strategy is to recruit only HI for first few turns
20140612 23:48:48< Necrosporus> Then using them to shield heros from skeletons you could survive first night and kill most of skels in next day
20140612 23:50:26< Necrosporus> shadowm, I do not know if I am an expert, but if I write WML myself and understand game mechanic quite well
20140612 23:50:58< Necrosporus> anyway what do you think is better, to restart on medium or to keep going?
20140612 23:51:00< shadowm> I was writing WML back when I still was a very poor player.
20140612 23:51:50< shadowm> And if I think about it, I have only marginally improved.
20140612 23:52:46< Necrosporus> How could I determine if I'm a good player or not? (ladder doesn't count, it's for vs human games which require a little different skills)
20140612 23:52:52< shadowm> I tend to play all campaigns in medium difficulty myself, and there are several mainine campaigns I've never even played.
20140612 23:55:14< shadowm> No, that's actually inaccurate.
20140612 23:55:36< shadowm> It's just that there are a few I haven't bothered to play to the end yet, usually quitting near the middle.
20140612 23:58:13< Necrosporus> I guess medium is when you and AI have nearly equal forces (counting your recall)
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