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20140623 01:21:47< iceiceice_> thunderstruck: your PR looks good to me, i didn't test it though
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20140623 01:37:11< irker634> wesnoth: Alain O'Dea wesnoth:master 877e897f7298 / data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/1_Tutorial.cfg: Grammar: missing preposition in tutorial 1 victory http://git.io/k-kupg
20140623 01:37:11< irker634> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 04098fd82ad7 / data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/1_Tutorial.cfg: Merge pull request #217 from AlainODea/grammar_tut1_victory http://git.io/z2pmJQ
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20140623 01:54:11< iceiceice_> gfgtdf: im not sure what to do about whiteboard on master
20140623 01:54:30< iceiceice_> i noticed that some part of it got broke on master, after i was testing after the UnitPtr thing
20140623 01:54:43< iceiceice_> but my tests revealed that actually the whiteboard moves have been broken since at least January
20140623 01:54:47< iceiceice_> and affect 1.12 and master
20140623 01:54:52< gfgtdf> whiteboard = paning mode ?
20140623 01:54:55< iceiceice_> yeah
20140623 01:55:08< iceiceice_> in 1.12 the moves aspect of it worked
20140623 01:55:13< iceiceice_> sorry
20140623 01:55:17< iceiceice_> in 1.10 int eh moves aspect of it worked,
20140623 01:55:22< iceiceice_> bu tit hinkt hat the attacks aspect sometimes didn't
20140623 01:55:52< iceiceice_> ^ is that readable?
20140623 01:55:56< iceiceice_> :(
20140623 01:56:03< gfgtdf> iceiceice_:  it ok
20140623 01:56:30< iceiceice_> gfgtdf: i normally would not want to continue refactoring until i fixed any bugs i made
20140623 01:56:34< gfgtdf> hm i think i never tried to used the attack aspect
20140623 01:56:35< iceiceice_> but i think the whiteboard should just be totally written off now
20140623 01:57:36< iceiceice_> yeah so the attack part is not terribly important
20140623 01:57:40< iceiceice_> but the part where, when you move a unit,
20140623 01:57:46< iceiceice_> the pathing updates for the other units,
20140623 01:57:50< iceiceice_> is pretty important
20140623 01:58:00< iceiceice_> also theres lots of crappy animation glitches now
20140623 01:58:54< vultraz> iceiceice_: I think we should create a poll on the forums asking users how often they use the whiteboard, and based on that, possibly just nix it completely
20140623 01:59:02< vultraz> IMO, it's always been clunky and hard to use
20140623 01:59:12< iceiceice_> vultraz: i think the design is not really so great
20140623 01:59:20< vultraz> Yeah
20140623 01:59:22< iceiceice_> i have a long term to plan to reorganize how the enigne works
20140623 01:59:38< iceiceice_> i think after a refactor it mgiht be possible to reimplement the whiteboard and maybe it will be reliable then
20140623 01:59:48< iceiceice_> and not require adding lots of messy bits to all the other code
20140623 02:00:04< iceiceice_> but I have a PR where i propose to delete the whiteboard in 1.12 branch
20140623 02:00:44< iceiceice_> idk if anyone knows how to fix it there right now, it looks like its been broken for more than a year maybe
20140623 02:00:49< iceiceice_> and no one even reported the bugs
20140623 02:00:51< shadowm> I assume you'll ask the mailing list about it.
20140623 02:01:01< iceiceice_> y i mean i thoguht i would post the Pr first
20140623 02:01:32< shadowm> Okay, just checking.
20140623 02:03:31< vultraz> i support removing it
20140623 02:05:18< shadowm> I agree with also posting a poll in the forums.
20140623 02:05:38< shadowm> Except I wouldn't consider the forum population representative of the MP server denizens.
20140623 02:06:11< vultraz> I suggested the poll because I'm wondering if it ever would need to come back
20140623 02:06:23< vultraz> would ever*
20140623 02:07:39< iceiceice_> idk i mean the ui aspects of it are pretty well done
20140623 02:08:08< iceiceice_> if we could get the internals working reliably its sort of worth it just to salvage what was already invested
20140623 02:08:14< iceiceice_> also there was the networking code to support it
20140623 02:08:48< iceiceice_> but i think the problem was that the way it was set up you had to add all this complicated "wb::future_map" raii objects at random locations throughout the code
20140623 02:09:17< iceiceice_> i think that made it too hard to maintain
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20140623 02:11:07< vultraz> so you propose a 1.13 refactor?
20140623 02:11:08< shadowm> At a glance (not having looked much into the play controllers' code) it seems to me like both the whiteboard and replays could be reimplemented in a way that allowed them to share code, since both of them are, to different extents, about scheduling actions.
20140623 02:11:51< shadowm> Perhaps reimagine the controllers in a "scheduled actions first" fashion.
20140623 02:12:39< shadowm> Then normal gameplay can just be actions that are scheduled to take place instantly and don't have a known outcome in advance.
20140623 02:12:52< iceiceice_> yeah
20140623 02:14:31< shadowm> I had already proposed the replay-first model the other day but at the time I forgot the whiteboard existed... much like I do most of the time.
20140623 02:15:12< iceiceice_> yeah i mean, the replay recorder, and also the networking
20140623 02:15:14< iceiceice_> sort of need to do the same thing
20140623 02:15:30< iceiceice_> just send messages to differnet places
20140623 02:15:37< iceiceice_> i guess they send slightly different messages
20140623 02:15:56< iceiceice_> you could imagien thoough that,
20140623 02:16:10< iceiceice_> the basic gamestate changes woudl be C++ objects explicitly constructed from configs
20140623 02:16:27< iceiceice_> and there woudl be an interface "gamestate" or something that specifies an object that can accept these changes
20140623 02:16:36< iceiceice_> and also an interface "displayable" that display objects can be attached to
20140623 02:17:20< iceiceice_> i guess you would want to attach the replay recorder to the object somehow, maybe statistics in a similar way
20140623 02:17:37< iceiceice_> networking you have to be able to get messages also but at least the send part maybe coudl be coded tha awy
20140623 02:17:43< iceiceice_> the whiteboard is more complicated i geuss,
20140623 02:17:52< iceiceice_> it has to sit both between the actionwml and the gamestate,
20140623 02:18:02< iceiceice_> and also betweent he gamestate and the display
20140623 02:18:33< iceiceice_> so maybe you would actually want to define an object "gamestate+whiteboard" or something, which uses the same interface, but takes care of the whiteboard logic
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20140623 02:29:27< gfgtdf> iceiceice_: will disabling the whiteboad also disable multi turn moves ?
20140623 02:29:32< gfgtdf> disable*
20140623 02:29:33< iceiceice_> no i dont think so
20140623 02:29:42< iceiceice_> i mean i can test on my branch, one sec
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20140623 02:31:35< iceiceice_> no
20140623 02:31:39< iceiceice_> gfgtdf:^
20140623 02:31:47< gfgtdf> ok
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20140623 02:57:19< gfgtdf> Soliton: in a8ae1fc7f11ae1819933fe53dfdaeea5dbbf9e16  you hide the vision_combo_ combobox inside a #ifdef MP_VISION_OPTIONAL. Do you still use this code or do you still plan to reimplement it? Otherwise i'd like to remove it.
20140623 02:59:08< gfgtdf> Soliton: becasue the currentl implementation just alwa overwrited share_vision in [side] with yes, so taking one option away from mp umc devs.
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20140623 09:03:56< Necrosporus_> I think some scenarios of delfador memoires need reworking
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20140623 09:54:46< Soliton> gfgtdf: that was Sapient not me. no idea about MP_VISION_OPTIONAL.
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20140623 10:01:16< Soliton> gfgtdf, iceiceice_: mp_game_title was certainly intentionally saved since it's useful information that is otherwise lost. a mp server metadata tag sounds good to me if it helps saving that info. difficulty= was added because it was needed at the time, i think. if it can be left out now that's fine.
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20140623 14:00:09< aquileia> AI0867: Are images added and removed manually from l10n-track?
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20140623 14:01:32< aquileia> That checksum indicates it's a script that does this for us - where can I find that?
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20140623 14:02:53< AI0867> lbundle-check.py
20140623 14:02:55< AI0867> google for it
20140623 14:03:23< AI0867> if you want to find out who knows about it, there's espreon and whoever the git log mentions
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20140623 14:24:22< aquileia> AI0867: Right, just google it... at least I can update the wiki page to point to the correct spot (https://gitorious.org/scripty/scripty/source/master:l10n-support/lbundle-check.py)
20140623 14:25:17< aquileia> You're maintaining Wescamp as well, right? There's a comment in a .sh script with an old, broken link
20140623 14:26:12< aquileia> And if you didn't guess, that was a tiny bit if irony...
20140623 14:29:22< aquileia> AI0867: https://github.com/wescamp/build-system/blob/master/init-build-sys.sh
20140623 14:33:34< aquileia> AI0867: Would you be as kind as to merge https://github.com/wescamp/build-system/pull/1 , please?
20140623 14:38:05< AI0867> that still has a PR?
20140623 14:38:15< AI0867> oh, it's new
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20140623 15:03:17< irker859> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:master 54e0bd92c902 / changelog src/serialization/preprocessor.cpp: Prevent infinitely recursive macros (bug #20126) http://git.io/VY4Odw
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20140623 15:05:44< irker859> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:1.12 6529bbc9cdae / changelog src/serialization/preprocessor.cpp: Prevent infinitely recursive macros (bug #20126) http://git.io/BM_qWA
20140623 15:09:04< aquileia> AI0867: I first thought it'd be a problem with my python installation, but it seems it's not: the script doesn't recognize the "\" linebreak in l10n-spec, and neither it knows about git
20140623 15:09:38< aquileia> I guess I must have found an outdated version...
20140623 15:10:13< AI0867> probably so then
20140623 15:11:18< AI0867> yeah, the version you found is 5 years old
20140623 15:13:11< AI0867> aquileia: temporary link: http://ai0867.net/hiden/lbundle-check.py
20140623 15:13:16< AI0867> not sure how old that is
20140623 15:14:31< aquileia> Well, a 5 year link is better than a broken one, but my PR was kind of useless, then...
20140623 15:14:35< aquileia> sorry
20140623 15:15:40< AI0867> http://techbase.kde.org/Localization/Tools/Lbundle_Check ← this page is about the only thing I can find about it, and it's a year old
20140623 15:19:16< irker859> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master 0f5876fe3806 / / (25 files in 6 dirs): change fake_unit class to fake_unit_ptr http://git.io/_6M5FQ
20140623 15:19:18< irker859> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master c1f3af2cbd33 / / (25 files in 6 dirs): Merge branch 'fake_unit_ptr' http://git.io/9qePnQ
20140623 15:24:42< aquileia> AI0867: Your version is buggy as well (doesn't accept blank lines in the l10n-track) but I can work around that
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20140623 15:48:46< aquileia> AI0867: The PR now includes the l10n-track update. Thanks for the script
20140623 15:49:34< AI0867> could you send me another PR for wescamp build-system?
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20140623 15:51:28< aquileia> AI0867: Not really... your link is temporary, so we'd need to store the script in the repo or find another source
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20140623 16:01:52< irker859> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 7e3ba43934af / src/hotkey/ (hotkey_command.cpp hotkey_command.hpp): use std::bitset instead of vector<bool> http://git.io/jM3ToQ
20140623 16:01:54< irker859> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 436be9a30603 / src/ (8 files in 4 dirs): more flexible hotkey scopes http://git.io/SAvF2A
20140623 16:01:56< irker859> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:master e2e82e88b681 / src/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Merge pull request #215 from gfgtdf/hotkey_scopes http://git.io/1pqukg
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20140623 16:16:12< aquileia> AI0867: I cloned the most promising of the kde repos, but didn't find the script in them...
20140623 16:16:42< aquileia> It has to be somewhere in here https://projects.kde.org/projects
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20140623 16:57:46< irker859> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master 4bb55f4ab891 / src/ (display.cpp fake_unit_manager.hpp game_display.cpp): make fake_unit_manager foreachable, drop the "range" getter http://git.io/l4DsoA
20140623 16:57:48< irker859> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master 34a745469667 / src/display.cpp: restore openmp parallelization in display.cpp http://git.io/hKUn0A
20140623 16:57:50< irker859> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master 1526066e22cf / src/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth http://git.io/J9MwKA
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20140623 18:58:50< thunderstruck> RiftWalker: Hi. I'll be online for roughly one hour. So, if you have any questions, feel free to ask.
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20140623 20:13:44< gfgtdf> AI0867: the pr was actualy WIP :o the current form most liley breaks the preerences menu where we use the "enum scope" as ints for the index in the tab page
20140623 20:14:10< AI0867> oh
20140623 20:14:10< gfgtdf> AI0867: pr 215 i mean
20140623 20:14:14< AI0867> didn't notice that
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20140623 20:38:18< Necrosporus> ...thorum restro targa thorum... 
20140623 20:38:25< Necrosporus> what does it mean?
20140623 20:39:10< gfgtdf> idk, did you try google translate ? Where did you read it ?
20140623 20:43:16< shadowm> That's from DM scenario 1, the prologue cutscene.
20140623 20:47:29< AI0867> I thought it was just random maybe latin
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20140623 21:04:19< Necrosporus> type=Iron Mauler,Shock Trooper,Heavy Infantry,Heavy Infantryman
20140623 21:04:44< Necrosporus> There are two units, heavy infantry and heavy infantryman?
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20140623 21:05:59< AI0867> not in mainline
20140623 21:07:49< Necrosporus> then why is it so in DM?
20140623 21:08:07< AI0867> probably a bug
20140623 21:08:13< Necrosporus> 07 night in the swamps
20140623 21:08:19< AI0867> 1.12 or master?
20140623 21:08:23< Necrosporus> 1.12
20140623 21:08:32< Necrosporus> But I doubt it's changed in master
20140623 21:08:54< AI0867> ah, it's in a filter
20140623 21:09:10< AI0867> it doesn't break anything there, it's just non-functional ballast
20140623 21:09:16< Necrosporus> I know
20140623 21:10:32< Necrosporus> Also objective says there is no early finish bonus, but it is
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20140623 21:10:55< irker738> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:master 0286032dd2e7 / data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/scenarios/07_Night_in_the_Swamp.cfg: Remove non-existent unit ID from filter http://git.io/3SNC7g
20140623 21:10:56< irker738> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:1.12 0921c8b6ac44 / data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/scenarios/07_Night_in_the_Swamp.cfg: Remove non-existent unit ID from filter http://git.io/pGKDmA
20140623 21:13:30< Necrosporus> AI0867, what about old-fashioned early finish bonus type and discrepancy between it and objectives??
20140623 21:13:57< AI0867> poke zookeeper. I could take a look at it, but I'm off for the night
20140623 21:14:18< Necrosporus> zookeeper, pole
20140623 21:14:21< Necrosporus> * poke
20140623 21:14:54< Necrosporus> [gold_carryover] bonus=no carryover_percentage=80
20140623 21:15:42< zookeeper> huh?
20140623 21:15:43< Necrosporus> [endlevel] result=victory bonus=yes
20140623 21:15:45 * zookeeper reads in a minute
20140623 21:16:00< Necrosporus> In data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/scenarios/07_Night_in_the_Swamp.cfg
20140623 21:16:20< Necrosporus> Also next scenarios have similar problem
20140623 21:18:34< Necrosporus> Also objective doesn't mention that it's enough to just break 'evil stones', not necessary to wait for all turns
20140623 21:19:00< zookeeper> yeah, well, DM sucks, i believe
20140623 21:19:25< Necrosporus> I'd say it's quite good at beginning despite few problems
20140623 21:20:06< Necrosporus> Though it start to be tedious when you start play for kalenz
20140623 21:20:22< zookeeper> i believe the carryovers are _probably_ intentional, but... maybe not. i don't think anyone cares if they get changed to standard 40%
20140623 21:21:10< Necrosporus> zookeeper, the problem is not 'wrong carryover' but discrepancy between code and [objectives]
20140623 21:23:13< zookeeper> ok, so, the problem is the objectives say you get 80% on top of next starting gold, but in reality you just get the old-style 80% _or_ starting gold?
20140623 21:25:11< Necrosporus> zookeeper, the problem is objectives says there is no early finish bonus and doesn't mention destroying stones, even though if you destroy them you'll get bonus and finish scenario before 13'th turn
20140623 21:27:12< zookeeper> oh, right, i didn't even remember that [gold_carryover] is agnostic to the type of carryover
20140623 21:27:31< zookeeper> well, a new early finish bonus objective can't be added in 1.12
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20140623 21:28:05< zookeeper> but yes, someone should add an extra objective explaining that to 1.13
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20140623 21:28:14< zookeeper> s/1.13/master
20140623 21:28:33< Necrosporus> what's difference between 1.13 and master?
20140623 21:28:58< Necrosporus> and you could just change bonus to yes?
20140623 21:29:01< zookeeper> none, but it seems master is the more common designator
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20140623 21:30:09< zookeeper> yes, we could, but if the objectives imply that you can only win at end of turns, saying you get early finish bonus seems rather dumb
20140623 21:30:50< Necrosporus> Add alternative objectives and say that you get bonus
20140623 21:31:04< zookeeper> and i just said we can't do that in 1.12
20140623 21:31:08< zookeeper> because string freeze
20140623 21:31:30< shadowm> Can be done after 1.12.0.
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20140623 21:31:56< Necrosporus> Anyway, I believe DM needs reworking
20140623 21:32:11< Necrosporus> there is number of other problems
20140623 21:32:12< zookeeper> anyway, yes, someone should add a new victory objective in master
20140623 21:32:18< zookeeper> i don't want to touch DM
20140623 21:32:58< zookeeper> and someone remove that f*^¤#&¤#ing period from the end of the current objective -.-
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20140623 22:00:18< irker738> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master daaf8bd2f557 / src/hotkey/ (hotkey_command.hpp hotkey_preferences_display.cpp): fixup hotkeys preferences display http://git.io/ohOu4w
20140623 22:00:20< irker738> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 6b8a39d9335d / src/hotkey/hotkey_preferences_display.cpp: fix a possible segfault in hotkey preferences dialog http://git.io/5XGvaQ
20140623 22:00:22< irker738> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master c1aead67762b / src/hotkey/hotkey_command.cpp: assign correct scopes to old SCOPE_GENERAL hotkeys http://git.io/d63GrQ
20140623 22:03:03< gfgtdf> wesbot: seen sapient
20140623 22:03:03< wesbot> gfgtdf: Sorry, I don't know of sapient.
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20140623 22:04:25< gfgtdf> wesbot: seen Sapient 
20140623 22:04:25< wesbot> gfgtdf: Sorry, I don't know of Sapient.
20140623 22:06:30< c74d> Sapient doesn’t come on IRC much.
20140623 22:10:40< gfgtdf> c74d: hm ok i wrote him a forum pn
20140623 22:10:48< gfgtdf> pm
20140623 22:10:52< c74d> I think I’ve only ever seen Sapient on IRC once, in 2013-04, and then only briefly.
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20140623 22:35:10< iceiceice> aquileia, gfgtdf: can one of you guys tell me if the open mp thing is wokring now?
20140623 22:35:18< iceiceice> i tried to put it back but i dont really have a way to test
20140623 22:36:08< gfgtdf> iceiceice: openmp is borken for my wesnoth version when i started developing for wesnoth.
20140623 22:36:32< iceiceice> hmm ok
20140623 22:36:43< iceiceice> i guess loonycyborg will tell me if somethings broken probly actually
20140623 22:37:04< gfgtdf> iceiceice: fpr my visual studio version i mean*
20140623 22:42:22< shadowm> iceiceice: You use scons, right? Tried building with openmp=true?
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20140623 22:42:32< iceiceice> does that work on linux?
20140623 22:43:19< shadowm> It used to work, at least.
20140623 22:43:42< gfgtdf> shadowm: when is my outbox in forums deleted ?
20140623 22:44:00< gfgtdf> for pm s i mean
20140623 22:44:10< iceiceice> shadowm: ok i will try
20140623 22:44:26< shadowm> gfgtdf: When the receiver reads the message -- then you'll see it in Sent Items instead.
20140623 22:44:40< gfgtdf> shadowm: ah ok ty
20140623 22:44:54< shadowm> Sent Messages, I mean.
20140623 22:46:51< Ivanovic> trademark_, thunderstruck, crab_, happygrue: please do not forget to submit your mentor eval
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20140623 22:48:16< Ivanovic> RiftWalker, spoffy, lipkab, fakevin, aishiko: please do not forget to submit your student evals
20140623 22:48:34< Ivanovic> yes, GSoC mid term evals are required to be submitted this week
20140623 22:48:48< Ivanovic> you can submit things right now and still alter things until the deadline is reached
20140623 22:48:59< Ivanovic> but once it is reached it will be too late and result in "issues"
20140623 22:49:02< Ivanovic> n8
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20140623 22:58:45< RiftWalker> Ivanovic: got it.
20140623 23:31:11< irker738> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master bc26958d0630 / src/server/game.cpp: readd mp_game_title key http://git.io/yqkLrg
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