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20140619 01:17:39< Laundry> Hello
20140619 01:17:56< Laundry> I'd like to start working on Wesnoth by fixing some simple bugs
20140619 01:18:02< Laundry> does anyone know where I'd start?
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20140619 01:19:49< Laundry> I'll go to wesnoth-dev
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20140619 01:30:05 * c74d raises eyebrow at the topic.
20140619 01:30:41< Dan39> what about it? lol
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20140619 02:03:52 * c74d considers changing the pastebin to Gist or Refheap…
20140619 02:04:20 * c74d also notes that #wesnoth-dev’s topic still points to pastebin.com.
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20140619 02:05:37< c74d> vultraz: I started watching Sherlock recently
20140619 02:05:46< vultraz> :O
20140619 02:05:58< shadowm> Dan39: Any particular reason you changed the link in the topic?
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20140619 02:07:11< c74d> …maybe I shouldn’t have told you that, I don’t know that I can set up a mutually-assured-spoilering thing with you like some do
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20140619 02:08:32< vultraz> c74d: I've already seen all 3 seasons
20140619 02:08:40< c74d> I know
20140619 02:09:42< c74d> and I don’t know that I have anything to give you spoilers for
20140619 02:09:58< c74d> like people in #frogatto and elsewhere do
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20140619 02:10:29< c74d> not that I’d want to do that :s
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20140619 02:13:40< c74d> <friendlyToaster> Please don't use pastebin.com: it has lots of adverts, thus taking ages to load, and worst of all, mangles newlines, making it useless for collaboration. cf: /msg greybot pastebin.com and: !paste
20140619 02:14:50< c74d> other complaints I’ve seen are about their viral marketing thing (I don’t know what that’s about) and general aesthetic unpleasantness
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20140619 02:23:42< vultraz> c74d: I've never had problems with pastebin
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20140619 02:24:12< c74d> yes, you like pastebin.com
20140619 02:24:20< c74d> for some reason
20140619 02:24:47< c74d> I really don’t see how it’s better than Gist
20140619 02:25:25< vultraz> Gist is nice too
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20140619 02:25:39< c74d> unless you use an Android app or something to interface with it
20140619 02:25:50< c74d> though I expect Gist has those too
20140619 02:25:58< vultraz> But I'm used to pastebin, and I can log in with my google account
20140619 02:26:00< celticminstrel> One thing I like about pastebin is that you can set the paste to expire.
20140619 02:26:28< celticminstrel> Admittedly I haven't really made any attempt to find an alternative.
20140619 02:26:36< c74d> most pastebins let one set a paste to expire
20140619 02:26:40< c74d> or at least many
20140619 02:26:43< Dan39> shadowm: cuz pastebin.com sucks :P
20140619 02:26:52< celticminstrel> I think the only other one I often see (besides gist) is pastie.org.
20140619 02:26:55< Dan39> thought that was a known thing on freenode hehe
20140619 02:27:22< shadowm> Dan39: If it were known I imagine I wouldn't see it in use everywhere on freenode.
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20140619 02:27:38< Dan39> hah
20140619 02:27:40< Dan39>  Ads, Spamfilters, Captcha, Adds whitespace, Slow, Ugly, No comment/fork/annotate, Breaks copy/paste, Blocked for some people, etc.
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20140619 02:27:54< celticminstrel> Pastebin has fork...
20140619 02:28:01< celticminstrel> Not comment or annotate though.
20140619 02:28:08< c74d> vultraz: you can log in to Gist with a GitHub account
20140619 02:28:17< Dan39> the ads are what really sucks
20140619 02:28:17< shadowm> Why would anyone want comments.
20140619 02:28:28< c74d> to comment on pastes
20140619 02:28:39< shadowm> Why would anyone want to do that outside IRC?
20140619 02:28:58< c74d> on Gist at least, often to poke the author about updating or correcting the paste
20140619 02:28:58< celticminstrel> I don't notice the ads, because adblock. >_>
20140619 02:29:06< vultraz> ^
20140619 02:29:17< c74d> or to ask the author questions about the paste
20140619 02:29:18< shadowm> From what I've seen highly-linked gists or commits also lend themselves to ridiculously low levels of discourse in the comments section.
20140619 02:32:37< c74d> like “+1”, or like “this iz stoopid and u r stoopid so there”?
20140619 02:33:14< shadowm> How about both?
20140619 02:33:31< c74d> I don’t see that it matters for people’s WML-help pastes
20140619 02:34:03< shadowm> Of course, but that was intended as a general comment on Gist.
20140619 02:34:36< c74d> anyway
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20140619 02:39:39< shadowm> c74d watches TV. o_O
20140619 02:40:08< shadowm> Or Netflix or whatever the cool kids call it nowadays.
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20140619 02:40:18< c74d> a momentary realization
20140619 02:40:33< c74d> you’ll… forget soon enough
20140619 02:40:49< Turuk> shadowm: he's part of the network since he's all 0s and 1s....
20140619 02:41:01< c74d> as before
20140619 02:41:17< shadowm> Given my deplorable memory performance, 'soon enough' sounds about right.
20140619 02:41:36< shadowm> That little chunk might in fact disappear as soon as I go to sleep.
20140619 02:41:55< Turuk> you need a mind palace
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20140619 02:55:01< Guest68718> I am trying to run wesnoth on my linux system but there is not sound. I have checked the settings. even maid sure the SDL sound variable = alsa. I am using a wireless headset but it works fine in firefox any idea what the problem could be?
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20140619 03:16:39< catern> are you using pulseaudio?
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20140619 05:38:34< Dan39> hmm i didnt get any of my extra gold from last turn :'(
20140619 05:38:40< Dan39> last scenario i mean
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20140619 18:47:57< Filar> hi
20140619 18:51:42< Filar> Does the preprocessor work on the lua parts too? I mean, if I define some macro (#define FOO BAR} will {BAR} be changed to macro argument in lua code that is inside that macro?
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20140619 19:00:34< Soliton> macros are simple text substitutions they have no clue about lua.
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20140619 19:02:47< celticminstrel> I assume lua code and macros could be mixed? Probably isn't really a good idea though...
20140619 19:02:56< Filar> Soliton: yeah, but will the be substituted in lua code too, or does the preprocessor just skip the lua code?
20140619 19:05:58< celticminstrel> I doubt the preprocessor skips the lua code.
20140619 19:06:08< celticminstrel> It has no idea that it's lua, right?
20140619 19:06:34< celticminstrel> I still maintain this is a bad idea though.
20140619 19:07:02< celticminstrel> If you find yourself wanting a macro containing Lua code it might be better to write a function or something instead?
20140619 19:11:02< Filar> celticminstrel: I haven't thought about that. Do you mean a lua function? Won't it be messy if I declare that function in one scenario and then use it in the others? I can put macro in a separate file, but not a function, right?
20140619 19:11:27< celticminstrel> You can put Lua code in a separate file.
20140619 19:11:51< celticminstrel> And include it the same way you'd include (for example) maps.
20140619 19:12:29< Filar> oh, that seems interesting
20140619 19:12:32< Filar> I will try that
20140619 19:12:36< Filar> thanks for help :)
20140619 19:13:14< celticminstrel> By which I mean the same brace-syntax or whatever it is.
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20140619 19:13:50< Filar> yeah, I have understood you
20140619 19:14:24< celticminstrel> Obviously I don't mean doing something like map="{path-to-lua-code}". :P
20140619 19:14:40< Filar> :D
20140619 19:14:46< mattsc> yes, substitutions to Lua code are done in the same way - whch actually causes problems if you want to include Lua tables (which contain {})
20140619 19:15:03< celticminstrel> Isn't that why there's a special quote syntax?
20140619 19:15:06< celticminstrel> Something like <<<>>>
20140619 19:15:27< mattsc> Ah, possibly …
20140619 19:15:41< celticminstrel> Unless you can avoid that just by adding spaces after the {
20140619 19:15:44< mattsc> I don’t remember the details, but I know that I have had problems in some cases.
20140619 19:15:51< celticminstrel> I see.
20140619 19:16:10< celticminstrel> The special quote syntax might've been so you can have quotes in Lua code, rather than braces, not sure.
20140619 19:16:59< mattsc> But I almost always work with external files anyway, which has the huge added advantages that you don’t need to start from the beginning of the scenario when you change something.
20140619 19:17:16< mattsc> In fact, if you do it right, you don’t even have to reload the current save.
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20140619 19:22:58< Filar> mattsc: can you say more? That would be extremely useful for me, I'm tired of restarting the game every time I change something.
20140619 19:23:36< celticminstrel> Pretty sure I only need to restart the current scenario when I change something...
20140619 19:23:55< zookeeper> F5 in titlescreen works too (or should)
20140619 19:24:04< celticminstrel> Huh?
20140619 19:24:28< zookeeper> reloads, so you don't need to quit and restart
20140619 19:24:39< celticminstrel> Ah, but is that useful for campaigns?
20140619 19:24:48< zookeeper> should be
20140619 19:24:57< Filar> ha ha, I don't know why I thought so
20140619 19:25:01< celticminstrel> I thought campaigns were loaded when you start them.
20140619 19:25:13< zookeeper> i admit quitting and reloading is a reflexive action for me so sadly i've never gotten into the F5 habit
20140619 19:25:33< celticminstrel> Heh.
20140619 19:25:39< mattsc> Quitting and starting with -l from the command line might be faster than F5  :)
20140619 19:26:16< mattsc> Filar: https://github.com/mattsc/AI-demos/blob/master/scenarios/test.cfg#L83
20140619 19:26:38< mattsc> That sets up a right-click option that executes the Lu code in the file.
20140619 19:27:02< mattsc> And if you use wesnoth.dofile rather than wesnoth.require, you do not need to reload if you change the code in the file.
20140619 19:27:36< Filar> thanks a lot
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20140619 19:41:25< c74d> There is a “special quote syntax”; it’s `<<…>>` (two sets of angle brackets, not three).
20140619 19:43:10< Turuk> celticminstrel: F5 is useful for campaigns, but yes, if you are mid-scenario, you will have to restart from the beginning of that scenario
20140619 19:43:43< Turuk> as the save already has the scenario loaded, soooo you'd have to start it again :P
20140619 19:43:58< celticminstrel> Yeah, c74d, couldn't quite remember what the syntax was. >_>
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