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20140622 18:09:57< Dan39> grrr wtf these enemies on the siege of elensefar have much better stats than mine :(
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20140622 18:10:36< Dan39> can i like play od scenarios to lvl up my leader? lol
20140622 18:10:39< Dan39> old*
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20140622 18:14:08< Dan39> some how i dont think thats how the campaign works tho, seems like if i play an old save it wont affect my characters in the newer ones :P
20140622 18:14:46< Dan39> not sure
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20140622 18:33:56< Dan39> i have a feeling like the leader is meant to always suck major ass
20140622 18:34:03< Dan39> just holds back to recruit units, wtf :(
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20140622 18:37:25< zookeeper> well of course loading old saves just takes you to that scenario or turn
20140622 18:37:52< zookeeper> did you go by land or sea?
20140622 18:38:05< Dan39> sea
20140622 18:38:42< zookeeper> okay. well, you can always replay that scenario and try to level up konrad, but i don't think elensefar is at all impossible even without it.
20140622 18:38:49< zookeeper> how much XP does he need to level up?
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20140622 18:39:09< Dan39> im just going to start over and try to be more careful to lvl/save good units
20140622 18:40:59< zookeeper> sure, doesn't hurt
20140622 18:41:30< zookeeper> but remember to not just rely on a core group of leveled units, but also to use plenty of lvl1 recruits
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20140622 21:44:31< tdk27> also, don't keep recruiting all battle
20140622 21:44:48< tdk27> at which point you can push konrad forward to start gaining XP
20140622 21:47:03< Ardonik> For me, HttT in the hardest setting became a LOT simpler when I recruited a whole bunch of shamans at the beginning and leveled them into Sylphs before the Siege of Elensefar.
20140622 21:47:30< zookeeper> although it's usually enough to let your leader just join in the final cleanup, not most of the battle
20140622 21:47:38< zookeeper> lots of easy kills available that way
20140622 21:47:54< Ardonik> The sylphs slowing attacks made getting into the city relatively simple, and I actually kept all four loyal thieves from the ambush as a result.
20140622 21:49:13< Ardonik> I only needed four Sylphs -- that was enough for the whole campaign except for the last scenario.
20140622 21:49:13 * celticminstrel imagines flight would also be pretty useful in that scenario.
20140622 21:50:08< celticminstrel> ...trying to remember which is a sylph and which is a shyde.
20140622 21:50:22< Ardonik> The Shydes heal, the Sylphs annihilate.
20140622 21:50:24< oldlaptop> Sylph is... L4 Sorceress line, IIRC
20140622 21:50:47< celticminstrel> Ah, okay.
20140622 21:50:53< oldlaptop> I wouldn't think it would be easy to get four L4 shamans that early...
20140622 21:51:31< Ardonik> Really easy, actually!
20140622 21:52:32< Ardonik> Okay, I think only two were Sylphs at that point, and two were enchantresses, but all four ended up being Slyphs by the end.
20140622 21:52:40< oldlaptop> aaah
20140622 21:53:13< oldlaptop> I guess there's probably lots of high-level enemies on higher difficulties too?
20140622 21:53:19< Ardonik> The orcs never even made it to my shores--I charged up to the shore and let the Orcs have a swim to get to me.
20140622 21:53:41< Ardonik> oldlaptop: Of course, but Siege of Elensefar provides an early taste.
20140622 21:53:57< oldlaptop> I mean that would make levelling up easier
20140622 21:54:04< oldlaptop> more L2s to kill
20140622 21:54:08< Ardonik> Test of the Clans and The Battle for Wesnoth are the worst in terms of enemy power levels.
20140622 21:54:43< oldlaptop> hate those L3 swordsmen!
20140622 21:55:02< Ardonik> Fie, even Royal Guards tend to think twice before attacking Dwarvish Lords.
20140622 21:55:17< Ardonik> The level 3 dwarvish fighters are so powerful it gives the AI headaches.
20140622 21:55:51< oldlaptop> oh, yes
20140622 21:56:37< Ardonik> You can even see that on Rise of Wesnoth -- you have 1 (one!) Dwarvish Lord, but all of the Saurians and Nagas refuse to attack him, even in the open.
20140622 21:56:59< Ardonik> He just resists too much and deals too much retaliatory damage.
20140622 21:57:26< Ardonik> They'd rather attack Haldric.
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20140622 22:47:18< Dan39> can i move files in/out of the user saves directory and when i start wesnoth itll read new ones properly? reason i wonder is because i also see the save_index.gz file
20140622 22:48:07< shadowm> You can safely delete save_index.gz, although I believe it's ignored most of the time anyway.
20140622 22:48:33< celticminstrel> Why is it there then?
20140622 22:49:20< Dan39> and windows <-> linux saves are the same? i want to go play wesnoth somewhere else on windows, then email the save file back home to my linux pc
20140622 22:49:26< shadowm> Because it has a purpose.
20140622 22:49:41< shadowm> Dan39: Yes.
20140622 22:49:46< celticminstrel> Obviously. The nature of that purpose is what I was asking.
20140622 22:49:59< shadowm> Loading map previews etc. faster.
20140622 22:50:04< celticminstrel> Ah.
20140622 22:50:26< celticminstrel> The savefiles are WML, so definitely platform-independent.
20140622 22:50:31< shadowm> It doesn't work most of the time due to a series of bugs no-one has fixed because the code is a mes.
20140622 22:50:48< celticminstrel> Yay messy code. :|
20140622 22:51:04< Dan39> i blame C++
20140622 22:51:06< Dan39> :p
20140622 22:51:22< shadowm> I blame people who can't write C++ to save themselves.
20140622 22:51:46< celticminstrel> It's not like C++ is inherently messy. >_>
20140622 22:51:47< shadowm> Also people who don't take the time to look at the larger picture.
20140622 22:52:01< Dan39> id like to help with wesnoth, but i dont know C or C++ and i think i want to learn C and focus on that mostly
20140622 22:52:09< shadowm> "Why are things done this way? Shouldn't I redesign this before adding my feature so the result doesn't become more messy?"
20140622 22:52:55< Dan39> but for now i just want to play the game hehe :D
20140622 22:52:56< shadowm> "Nah screw that I want to get it done now so I can get my fancy red username."
20140622 22:52:59< celticminstrel> If you want to learn C++ at all I really recommend learning it before you learn C.
20140622 22:53:13< Dan39> <_<
20140622 22:53:48< celticminstrel> Because they're at the same time very similar and very different.
20140622 22:55:45< celticminstrel> If you're not interested in learning C++ though, don't worry about it.
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20140622 23:35:51< Uk1> I like how someone used the word "fie" in that conversation.
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