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20140623 05:16:25< Dan39> by sea or by walking? :P
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20140623 09:05:10< Necrosporus_> Dan39, I'd recommend to go to Elensefar by sea, that way you could gain more
20140623 09:08:39< Ardonik> Go by walking, so that you can pass Muff Malal's Free Experience Bonanza.
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20140623 09:08:49< Ardonik> Every unit must go, go, go!
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20140623 10:44:14< Necrosporus_> Ardonik, walking corpses do not give such many XP
20140623 10:44:30< Necrosporus_> And on the island there are a lot of XP could be gained too
20140623 10:44:44< Necrosporus_> Plus bandits are very useful against skels
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20140623 12:49:08< magbo> Greetings, people. Where are in-depth docs for wesnoth usage (not development)
20140623 12:49:44< magbo> The question I have is how to autosave replays, as simple as that.
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20140623 13:19:07< Dan39> i went by walk since last time i went by sea :P
20140623 13:19:23< Dan39> so now ive done both, fun times :D
20140623 13:31:59< Soliton> magbo: there's a setting under preferences.
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20140623 13:59:35< magbo> Soliton: any particular reason it
20140623 13:59:41< magbo> it's off by default?
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20140623 14:01:31< magbo> also, the terminology is obscure: if I concede the game or my opponent concedes the game by typing "gg" and leaving, I don't think the replay will be saved because it says "Save replay upon win/defeat"
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20140623 14:02:09< magbo> Are there some advanced configuration option that don't require patching the game?
20140623 14:03:30< Soliton> magbo: it's on by default.
20140623 14:04:03< Soliton> in mp replays are always saved. if you mouse over the preference you can see: "Saves replays of games on victory in all modes and defeat in multiplayer"
20140623 14:05:37< magbo> Soliton: how do I watch those then
20140623 14:07:20< magbo> is there a separate binary for watching replays?
20140623 14:07:22< Soliton> same as you watch any replay.
20140623 14:07:56< Soliton> note that you can also watch savegames as replays.
20140623 14:08:46< magbo> Soliton: is it somewhere in UI? Can I just do something like wesnoth --load=/path/to/replay?
20140623 14:08:49< Cookie> you load it. and dont click the skip replays? you mean?
20140623 14:09:36< magbo> right, that's what I originally thought
20140623 14:09:52< magbo> that means that replays from my best of eleven yesterday aren't saved.
20140623 14:10:12< Cookie> If it was on MP
20140623 14:10:15< Cookie> you can download it 
20140623 14:10:21< Cookie> on the server.
20140623 14:10:53< Cookie> Wait thats logs. My bad. haha yeah you lost it.
20140623 14:11:52< magbo> [16:00]        magbo │  Greetings, people. Where are in-depth docs for wesnoth usage
20140623 14:12:01< magbo> I think it's time you link me this guys
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20140623 14:12:15< magbo> I have no f. clue how to read your terminology, really
20140623 14:12:22< magbo> "logs", "replays", "saves"
20140623 14:12:45< magbo> some obscure UI actions :/ there should be a configuration file for wesnoth, is that correct?
20140623 14:12:47< Cookie> If you didnt save it then its gone. Sorry. 
20140623 14:13:13< magbo> there should be an option to automatically save the replays (action order taken by each side of the game)
20140623 14:13:20< Soliton> magbo: did you play the games on the default wesnoth multiplayer server (server.wesnoth.org)?
20140623 14:13:27< magbo> no matter it's mp or sp
20140623 14:13:33< magbo> Soliton: that is correct
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20140623 14:13:51< Soliton> then look at replays.wesnoth.org
20140623 14:13:57< magbo> oh, that's a shame
20140623 14:13:58< magbo> thanks
20140623 14:14:04< Cookie> Wait I knew my head wasnt in good place.
20140623 14:14:05< Soliton> it should be there if it was a public game.
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20140623 14:14:43< magbo> Soliton: so, what you're implying is that the easiest way to autosave mp replays is running a wesnoth server
20140623 14:14:47< magbo> is that accurate?
20140623 14:15:12< Cookie> Its the replay at the end of the game by the way. (not turn by turn)
20140623 14:15:21< magbo> right.
20140623 14:15:26< magbo> that doesn't make sense to me
20140623 14:15:34< magbo> "replay at the end of the game"
20140623 14:15:41< magbo> a snapshot of ending position?
20140623 14:15:45< Soliton> i have no idea what Cookie is on about either.
20140623 14:15:50< magbo> ok
20140623 14:15:58< magbo> that's encouraging
20140623 14:16:05< Cookie> Soliton: ? Didnt he just want the replay?
20140623 14:16:18< magbo> Soliton: what's wrong in the following way to do what I need
20140623 14:16:26< magbo> I set autosave count to infinity
20140623 14:16:30< Soliton> replays are saved if the game actually ended one way or another. if you just quit the client won't save it but the server will in any case.
20140623 14:16:39< magbo> I don't delete autosaves when one party won
20140623 14:16:52< magbo> I write a script that "collapses" old autosave chains
20140623 14:17:05< magbo> I run this script as a cron job then.
20140623 14:17:15< magbo> Should this work to get what I need?
20140623 14:17:26< Cookie> Okay obviously I joined the chat later on. Sorry for interrupting. =="
20140623 14:17:50< Soliton> well, for what do you need autosave count infinity?
20140623 14:18:04< Soliton> the last autosave would be enough, no?
20140623 14:18:28< magbo> Soliton: again, depends on what is "autosave" in your terminology
20140623 14:18:31< magbo> I read it as
20140623 14:18:54< magbo> "Autosave X" means that "last X turns will be saved locally"
20140623 14:19:23< Soliton> a save contains the current state as well as all commands that led to that state (i.e. the replay).
20140623 14:19:24< magbo> which means that Autosave 1 will overwrite previous single autosave
20140623 14:19:30< magbo> I understand that!
20140623 14:19:48< magbo> But I need something like autosave infty,1
20140623 14:20:01< magbo> which says "save last turns of ininite amount of games"
20140623 14:20:14< Soliton> autosave is per scenario.
20140623 14:20:36< magbo> per scenario = per sp scenario / mp game, is that correct?
20140623 14:20:41< Soliton> so for mp if you replay the same map that's a problem, i think.
20140623 14:20:55< magbo> oh my
20140623 14:21:10< magbo> so even if I have autoreplay infty
20140623 14:21:17< magbo> it will still rewrite the same map?!
20140623 14:21:19< magbo> lemme check
20140623 14:21:20< Soliton> how about you play games to the end like a real player? :-P
20140623 14:21:34< magbo> s/the same/if the game was played on the same/
20140623 14:21:38< zookeeper> so is all that you're asking for "how to retain the last autosave of every scenario i play, even if the scenario ends in a quit?" ?
20140623 14:21:46< zookeeper> i have some serious trouble following
20140623 14:22:07< magbo> Soliton: how about starcraft players would play the games till the last building?
20140623 14:22:09< zookeeper> s/scenario/match perhaps
20140623 14:22:11< magbo> that doesn't make sense
20140623 14:22:52< Soliton> surely starcraft has an option to forfeit the game?
20140623 14:23:02< magbo> Soliton: you type gg
20140623 14:23:07< magbo> and you leave the game
20140623 14:23:11< magbo> f10 surrender
20140623 14:23:12< Soliton> we need something like that anyway.
20140623 14:23:17< magbo> alt f4 will work as well
20140623 14:23:18< magbo> :D
20140623 14:23:27< magbo> the replay will be saved nonetheless
20140623 14:23:52< magbo> Soliton: right, so the answer to my second original question is "sadly, you have to patch wesnoth"
20140623 14:23:55< magbo> k
20140623 14:24:01< Soliton> well, write a feature request.
20140623 14:24:04< magbo> ugh, C++
20140623 14:24:06< magbo> :(
20140623 14:24:10< Soliton> in english.
20140623 14:24:29< magbo> right, @github?
20140623 14:24:39< magbo> or you don't use its issue tracker?
20140623 14:24:49< Soliton> we're still at gna! for the issues.
20140623 14:25:04< magbo> You have asked Firefox to connect securely to mail.gna.org, but we can't confirm that your connection is secure
20140623 14:25:06< Soliton> github if you want to do a pull request. ;-)
20140623 14:25:07< magbo> wow, that's epic
20140623 14:25:26< Soliton> yeah, self signed certificate...
20140623 14:25:51< magbo> Soliton: several years ago I recall wesnoth' code being maintained in cvs
20140623 14:26:14< Soliton> that was a long time ago indeed.
20140623 14:26:39< Soliton> we've use svn most of the time, recently switched to git.
20140623 14:26:39< magbo> Now github is the primary place where things happen, right?
20140623 14:26:46< magbo> Great.
20140623 14:26:46< Soliton> it seems so.
20140623 14:27:26< magbo> Well, not great in fact, because centralized systems are terrible, but it's still more awesome than svn/cvs
20140623 14:28:42< zookeeper> can't go much less centralized without everyone losing their marbles
20140623 14:28:45< magbo> Ok, so workaround for now: 1. figure out where the autosaves are written to; 2. copy from there to some other place prefixing the timestamp
20140623 14:52:42< oldlaptop> github is just one 'blessed' repository, there's still nothing stopping you from hosting your own somewhere else
20140623 14:54:00< oldlaptop> although perhaps support for pull requests from external repositories would be a good feature...
20140623 14:54:32< oldlaptop> (strange, old-fashioned things like "email" and "IRC" still work for that...)
20140623 14:57:10< Turuk_> what is this "IRC" thing you speak of?
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