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20140708 00:16:46< Laundry> Hey guys
20140708 00:17:48< Laundry> Hello
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20140708 00:28:17< ancestral> Hi Laundry
20140708 00:28:59< Laundry> ancestral: Hey, I'd rather speak to iceiceice but he's not on right now. I just wanted to say I'm leaving this project
20140708 00:29:51< Laundry> ancestral: It's a great project with great people, but as my first OS project and taking on a huge bug and not knowing enough about this project I don't think I should continue development
20140708 00:30:42< Laundry> I will be back, but probably once I gain some experience in the OS community with smaller projects. 
20140708 00:31:07< Laundry> I might be back next year for GSoC, but if only if I get more experience.
20140708 00:37:19< irker152> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 5490a55a3b3d / src/ (commandline_options.cpp commandline_options.hpp): Simplify --resolution error handling http://git.io/a_MNpQ
20140708 00:37:22< irker152> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 64af83f4f09c / src/ (commandline_options.cpp commandline_options.hpp): Simplify tuple command line arguments error handling http://git.io/Vs2CcA
20140708 00:43:30< irker152> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 b0378981f5f4 / src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: addon/mg: Rework the Update All action logic for genericity http://git.io/MvldkQ
20140708 00:43:33< irker152> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 c895105a70e8 / RELEASE_NOTES changelog players_changelog src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: addon/mg: Include Update All on all views and enable it when applicable http://git.io/urKt3g
20140708 00:43:35< irker152> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 e98d21f68217 / src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: addon/mg: Choose "update" vs. "install" terms when using Update All too http://git.io/BShLqA
20140708 00:43:38< irker152> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 ba6f680a7e28 / src/ (commandline_options.cpp commandline_options.hpp): Simplify --resolution error handling http://git.io/9govaQ
20140708 00:43:42< irker152> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 8471d63fb003 / src/ (commandline_options.cpp commandline_options.hpp): Simplify tuple command line arguments error handling http://git.io/zpYuEg
20140708 00:43:45< irker152> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 919ad1595429 / src/commandline_options.cpp: Remove unneeded header inclusion http://git.io/MFmWdg
20140708 00:46:04< irker152> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 5c4d232e0177 / players_changelog: Update players_changelog http://git.io/SjgfmA
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20140708 00:59:23< irker152> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 01eccedd06cb / changelog players_changelog: Sync the changelogs http://git.io/4RgFkA
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20140708 01:07:41< irker152> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master e77d0d07538a / changelog players_changelog: Attempt to sync the changelogs http://git.io/0Ef0mg
20140708 01:07:56< mattsc> Laundry: sorry to hear that.  Question: are you set on a specific task, or do you mind trying out some other things?  And does it have to be C++ or is Lua ok?  (Sorry, you’ve probably said that several times, but I haven’t been around much lately)
20140708 01:08:43< mattsc> I could probably come up with a couple smaller starter tasks with the AI, both Lua and C++  (although I wouldn’t be the right person to help with the C++ tasks)
20140708 01:08:44< Laundry> mattsc: I've been working on the recall bug -____-. I don't know Lua but I'm down to learn!
20140708 01:09:07< mattsc> Lua is really easy to learn, I wouldn’t see that as a problem.
20140708 01:09:22< Laundry> mattsc: Ok, then what did you have in mind?
20140708 01:10:33< mattsc> I don’t have anything worked out right now, but there are a couple bugs in the AI C++ code that Crab_ says are easy to fix but he doesn’t have time to do it himself.
20140708 01:10:38< mattsc> I could look up my notes on those.
20140708 01:10:42< Laundry> Ok
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20140708 01:10:55< mattsc> Or the Micro AIs (written in Lua) can always need bug fixes and new features.
20140708 01:11:04< Laundry> Thanks! I really enjoy working on this project, it's just that the recall was way to much for me
20140708 01:11:12< Laundry> hmmmm
20140708 01:11:37< Laundry> I think I'll check out the lua one because I haven't done much AI programming before
20140708 01:11:52< mattsc> I don’t have time to talk about this right now, just wanted to throw this out before you disappear.
20140708 01:11:55< mattsc> What timezone are you ine?
20140708 01:12:02< Laundry> EST
20140708 01:12:43< Laundry> (UTC - 5:00_
20140708 01:12:44< mattsc> Okay, I’m in PDT, so we’re not that far apart.
20140708 01:12:46< Laundry> )
20140708 01:12:51< Laundry> Ok cool
20140708 01:13:41< mattsc> Well, maybe you just want to have a look at the Micro AIs and see how they’re set up, and we chat again sometime tomorrow or later this week?
20140708 01:13:57< Laundry> Sure!
20140708 01:14:05< Laundry> I'll probably be on a lot
20140708 01:14:11< mattsc> Let me just give you a few pointers:
20140708 01:14:14< Laundry> Ok
20140708 01:14:33< mattsc> Wiki description of what the MAIs do: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Micro_AIs
20140708 01:14:49< mattsc> Lua in Wesnoth: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaWML
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20140708 01:15:25< mattsc> MAI code: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/tree/master/data/ai/micro_ais
20140708 01:15:47< mattsc> micro_ai_wml_tag.lua is where the [micro_ai] tag is defined
20140708 01:15:54< Laundry> Ok
20140708 01:16:21< mattsc> I have to run off, so I’ll leave it at that.  But feel free to ping me here or send me a forum PM (same nick)
20140708 01:16:34< Laundry> Ok Thank you so much!
20140708 01:16:43< mattsc> And as long as you use my nick, you can also leave me a message on irc.  I do check the logs regularly.
20140708 01:17:05< Laundry> Alright! Thank you for your help! I'll start working asap!
20140708 01:17:25< mattsc> No worries.  It would be great to have somebody else involved in the AI work!
20140708 01:17:30< Laundry> swag
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20140708 01:17:58< mattsc> And no rush, I will be traveling a lot over the next weeks and months and work’s crazy atm, so it’ll be slow going from my side anyway.
20140708 01:18:13< mattsc> Okay, off for now.  Talk to you later.
20140708 01:18:18< Laundry> Ok
20140708 01:18:21< Laundry> Bye and thankyou!
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20140708 03:37:44< ancestral> mattsc: Yeah regarding the bugs… it’s a decent workaround but the ideal solution. If someone has a 24″ display and they disconnect it to play on their MacBook, they may very well run into the problem
20140708 03:37:54< ancestral> *not the ideal solution
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20140708 16:11:10< irker302> wesnoth: Boldizsár Lipka wesnoth:master ab9835efcaee / src/ (loadscreen.cpp storyscreen/render.cpp video.cpp): Move GPU_Flip calls into CVideo::flip(). http://git.io/dctlyA
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20140708 16:12:54< irker302> wesnoth: Boldizsár Lipka wesnoth:master a39bfabe581b / src/loadscreen.cpp: Remove an unused variable. http://git.io/OaBEaw
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20140708 17:59:42< mordante> servus
20140708 18:01:39< mordante> AI0867, the game know how much space there is for a menu. But I've no idea whether this is easily available in GUI1
20140708 18:04:19< mordante> shadowm, the version 1.3.10 has indeed to do with the map format, IIRC it is the version where the compatibility layer was dropped so not the first version with the new format
20140708 18:05:18< mordante> iceiceice, did I miss something regarding pull 229, it's GUI1 only isn't it?
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20140708 18:05:38< mordante> hi lipkab 
20140708 18:05:43< lipkab> Hi mordante.
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20140708 18:14:22< gfgtdf> mordante: can you please take alook at https://gna.org/bugs/?22263 ?
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20140708 18:25:40< mordante> gfgtdf, I can take a look, but I've some other bugs I'm working on at the moment, so it will be added to the queue
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20140708 18:31:32< mordante> lipkab, how are things going?
20140708 18:32:34< lipkab> mordante: Very well. There are two little deficiencies at the moment, color modulation and blurring.
20140708 18:33:01< lipkab> I think those will be implemented with shaders.
20140708 18:33:13< mordante> ok
20140708 18:33:27< mordante> (my compiler is still building)
20140708 18:33:38< lipkab> Other than that, I could start working on display/game_display.
20140708 18:34:29< lipkab> Which, I think, definitely won't take three weeks.
20140708 18:34:53< mordante> ok that would be nice
20140708 18:35:07< lipkab> I could get it almost-working with a mere few lines of code.
20140708 18:35:15< mordante> :-)
20140708 18:35:34< mordante> the 10%-90%-rule?
20140708 18:36:38< lipkab> Probably :)
20140708 18:38:43< mordante> ok
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20140708 18:39:12< mordante> when do you want to work on the colour modulation and the blurring
20140708 18:39:14< mordante> ?
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20140708 18:41:33< lipkab> Well, I thought I'd let these little glitches slide past and get out something that's usable enough for testing.
20140708 18:42:02< lipkab> And return to fix them when then game itself is more or less usable.
20140708 18:42:39< lipkab> Which is roughly after porting display/game_display, GUI1 and GUI2.
20140708 18:43:04< lipkab> So most likely not during the summer.
20140708 18:43:37< mordante> you want to proceed with the project after the summer?
20140708 18:43:40< lipkab> But if you prefer to get it fixed first, I can do it.
20140708 18:43:47< lipkab> Sure.
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20140708 18:44:07< lipkab> Well... I surely want to, not sure if I can.
20140708 18:44:11< mordante> not per se, just wanted to know when you wanted to work on these issue
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20140708 18:44:28< mordante> would be great if you could finish the job after the summer
20140708 18:45:35< mordante> how much do you think you'll manage to do this summer?
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20140708 18:46:53< lipkab> Hmm.
20140708 18:47:29< lipkab> I believe display could be done in a week.
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20140708 18:48:43< lipkab> I guess GUI1 will be just changing some calls/types, so probably another week.
20140708 18:49:53< lipkab> Well... actually, everything is about changing function calls, so maybe unit animations and GUI2 too?
20140708 18:50:34< lipkab> It looks suspiciously easy, but that's how I see things right now.
20140708 18:51:20< mordante> ok
20140708 18:52:07< mordante> then I think it's maybe best to do the blurring after the display's and GUI1, I think you're more in the lower level code than I am
20140708 18:52:38< lipkab> Okay.
20140708 18:52:42< mordante> if you don't find the time after the summer I think I should be able to easily tackle GUI2
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20140708 18:53:05< gfgtdf> mordante: ok
20140708 18:53:44< lipkab> Sounds good. Now, I have a couple of questions:
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20140708 18:54:42< lipkab> 1) Now that we have changed the underlying lib, sdl::ttexture wraps a GPU_Image object. Should the name be changed to timage or something like that?
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20140708 18:57:35< lipkab> 2) Because multiple ttextures share a single GPU_Image, specific attributes need to be set on the GPU_Image object before each rendering. SDL_gpu supports duplicating textures, so I thought it'd save some overhead if let ttextures sharing the same GPU_Image modify eachother and instead provided a function to clone the texture.
20140708 18:58:01< lipkab> *I let ttexture share
20140708 19:01:34< mordante> 1) I think it's good especially if SDL_gpu also has the notion of textures
20140708 19:01:51< mordante> but then probably the file itself also needs to be renamed
20140708 19:02:58< mordante> 2) I can't parse the sentence, I think I know what you mean, but could you rephrase it to avoid confusion?
20140708 19:03:40< lipkab> Khm... so.
20140708 19:05:25< lipkab> GPU_Image has a set of attributes. Since separate ttexture instances are meant to represent different images, they can have different values for these attributes.
20140708 19:06:30< lipkab> That means that the attribute values 1) can't be simply stored in the shared GPU_Image instance 2) every ttexture object has to make sure that their settings are applied on the GPU_Image before drawing it.
20140708 19:07:03< lipkab> That means both CPU and memory overhead.
20140708 19:07:56< lipkab> I'd like multiple ttextures share not just the GPU_Image object but also the attributes.
20140708 19:08:41< lipkab> So for e.g. changing the scaling algorithm on one ttexture could affect another ttexture as well.
20140708 19:10:52< lipkab> Finally, provide a function that creates a copy of the GPU_Image object.
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20140708 19:11:35< mordante> ok so different textures are reference counted objects pointing to the same GPU_Image
20140708 19:12:03< RiftWalker> thunderstruck: I've finished cleaning up my branch, and I'm now testing more thoroughly.
20140708 19:12:22< mordante> and if you want a separate copy of a texture you need to use the GPU_image to clone from
20140708 19:13:26< lipkab> Yes.
20140708 19:13:58< mordante> ok
20140708 19:14:42< mordante> maybe add a clone function to the texture to make a deep copy and use the operator= for the shallow copy
20140708 19:15:09< mordante> and the copy ctor should then also make a shallow copy
20140708 19:15:24< lipkab> That's exactly what I thought :)
20140708 19:17:32< mordante> ok good :-)
20140708 19:18:34< mordante> well I think then we should take that path and see how it goes
20140708 19:18:53< mordante> any more questions?
20140708 19:19:06< lipkab> Nothing.
20140708 19:20:08< mordante> me neither
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20140708 19:23:32< mordante> I'm off bye
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20140708 20:53:53< thunderstruck> RiftWalker: Good. I'll try to check that tomorrow. I'm watching world cup now.
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20140708 21:54:08< irker710> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:1.12 d65d03c23116 / / (17 files in 16 dirs): updated French translation http://git.io/KVxVHA
20140708 21:54:08< irker710> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:master 51e85edcbf5a / po/ (15 files in 15 dirs): updated French translation http://git.io/WhfUVQ
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20140708 22:20:10< zookeeper> are we waiting for something in particular before 1.11.16?
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20140708 22:20:56< Ivanovic> for me finding the time
20140708 22:21:02< Ivanovic> off to bed now, n8
20140708 22:21:31< zookeeper> okay
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20140708 23:39:53< irker710> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master b70068e8dd9c / .travis.yml: small tweaks to .travis.yml http://git.io/CXfs9g
20140708 23:39:55< irker710> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master 9cfb37664f3b / po/ (15 files in 15 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth http://git.io/fSWETg
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