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20140715 00:13:53< gfgtdf> RiftWalker: i get a warning about implicit bool -> int cast in   https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/multiplayer_configure.cpp#L415 please fix this
20140715 00:17:01< gfgtdf> int -> bool i mean
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20140715 02:42:21-!- Channel #wesnoth-dev created Tue Jan 27 05:28:41 2009
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20140715 02:49:29< iceiceice> gfgtdf:
20140715 02:49:38< iceiceice> i was thinking about makign the gcc build on travis use -Wconversion,
20140715 02:49:50< iceiceice> so that we would get warnings for int to bool (if i understand correctly)
20140715 02:50:04< iceiceice> but i think there's too many places that this would generate warnings for
20140715 02:50:10< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i think you'll get many false positives 
20140715 02:51:23< gfgtdf> iceiceice: esp it will also complain about int -> size_t implicit cast
20140715 02:51:56< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i think i tried wconversion once: https://s3.amazonaws.com/archive.travis-ci.org/jobs/23631179/log.txt
20140715 02:52:07< iceiceice> hmm i looked at a list, clang has an option: -Wbool-conversions
20140715 02:53:59< iceiceice> hmm i think thats not what we want
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20140715 02:54:33< gfgtdf> iceiceice: 
20140715 02:54:45< gfgtdf> no
20140715 02:54:51< gfgtdf> it isnt
20140715 02:55:08< gfgtdf> i also dont really know when the msvc warning is triggered exactly
20140715 03:04:32< gfgtdf> iceiceice: do you knwo how we handle comment in #define ?
20140715 03:04:57< gfgtdf> iceiceice: for example this code: http://pastebin.com/bR7nKjfG
20140715 03:05:19< iceiceice> yeah i do know
20140715 03:05:35< gfgtdf> iceiceice: is teh current beaviour intended or is this a bug ?
20140715 03:05:38< iceiceice> # preprocessor symbols in wml must not have whitespace before the #
20140715 03:05:56< iceiceice> when the preprocessor is checking for #define, #enddef,
20140715 03:06:10< iceiceice> it literally checks the first 7 symbols on the line to see if they match
20140715 03:06:18< iceiceice> if the first one is # it enters a mode,
20140715 03:06:22< gfgtdf> iceiceice: but when searching for #enddef this ruse doesnt seem to be applied
20140715 03:06:28< iceiceice> hmmm
20140715 03:06:33< iceiceice> i will have to review the code
20140715 03:06:53< gfgtdf> iceiceice: in this loop i mean: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/serialization/preprocessor.cpp#L855
20140715 03:07:01< gfgtdf> rule
20140715 03:07:03< gfgtdf> *
20140715 03:08:00< iceiceice> gfgtdf: y thats the spot
20140715 03:08:04< iceiceice> i made a change there recently,
20140715 03:08:20< iceiceice> where it gives an error for #define inside #define / #enddef
20140715 03:09:11< gfgtdf> iceiceice: ye but the error seemed to be there before
20140715 03:09:21< iceiceice> y your error is separate
20140715 03:09:24< iceiceice> i guess it happens because,
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20140715 03:09:56< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i notices this because i apariently have an addon installed which had a http://pastebin.com/PRNaiyzD inside and doesnt load now
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20140715 03:13:41< gfgtdf> ok i go to bed now
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20140715 03:23:37< iceiceice> hmm 
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20140715 03:34:13< iceiceice> i decided to try compiling with -Weverything using clang and going through and disabling the stupid warnings,
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20140715 03:34:38< iceiceice> I'm getting a lot of warnings because apparently a ton fo the AI code compares floating point values with zero using == and != .
20140715 03:39:16< iceiceice> ^ try compiling using clang with the option -Wfloat-equal 
20140715 03:56:20< shadowm> wesbot: seen happygrue
20140715 03:56:20< wesbot> shadowm: The person with the nick happygrue 6d 1h ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Remote host closed the connection
20140715 04:03:44 * shadowm headdesk.s.
20140715 04:04:35< shadowm> I swear this stupid changelog/players_changelog split doesn't scale well for a project like this. I completely forgot to update players_changelog when forward-porting those commits.
20140715 04:05:20< shadowm> Perhaps if we had a single changelog with tagged entries that were extracted by a script.
20140715 04:05:40< iceiceice> that would be good
20140715 04:09:12< shadowm> Also, I wish we could tag bugs "fixed in 1.12", "fixed in master".
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20140715 04:10:54< shadowm> AI0867: You just had to include the last line from that IRC log in #21267... :p
20140715 04:16:42< shadowm> iceiceice: Regarding <https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?21765#comment2>: "A bug present in a release is marked "Closed" only upon a new release containing the fix. " (from <http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ReportingBugs#Bug_protocol>)
20140715 04:17:09< shadowm> So no, it can't be closed until 1.13.0 happens (which obviously won't be the case until some time after 1.12.0).
20140715 04:19:48< shadowm> gfgtdf: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?21865 isn't fixed in 1.12, is it?
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20140715 04:22:44< shadowm> mordante, gfgtdf: I seem unable to find the 1.12 equivalent to the fix to <https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?22046>, was it forgotten or did the issue not affect 1.12 in the first place?
20140715 04:25:37< shadowm> #22132 wasn't mentioned in the changelog, too bad.
20140715 04:34:23< shadowm> gfgtdf: Hm, why is <https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?20257> marked Won't Fix?
20140715 04:36:32 * shadowm feels rather stupid for filing a bug to mark it as WFM himself two years later.
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20140715 04:39:14< shadowm> Hm, the number of RFT bugs is... impressive.
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20140715 04:40:47< shadowm> I'm done closing bugs.
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20140715 05:12:53< irker173> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 9492cb061741 / src/events.cpp: Fix a Windows-specific include http://git.io/FF_jBQ
20140715 05:18:56< shadowm> Grrr.
20140715 05:19:15< shadowm> I am still unable to build (link) Wesnoth with CodeBlocks.
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20140715 05:20:24< shadowm> Which means I cannot test any Windows-specific code unless I endure the pain that is MSVC++'s nonsensical notion of build parallelization.
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20140715 08:25:00< zookeeper> shadowm, yeah i certainly wouldn't mind if we moved back to a single changelog from which stuff was auto-extracted for release announcements etc
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20140715 08:42:22< ancestral> Say, on Linux, is the name of the executable “wesnoth”, all lowercase?
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20140715 08:42:46< ancestral> Or does it have a capital W?
20140715 08:43:52< zookeeper> pretty sure it's lowercase
20140715 08:44:05< ancestral> And on Windows it’s wesnoth.exe right?
20140715 08:44:13< ancestral> No capital?
20140715 08:47:31< zookeeper> yes
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20140715 08:48:39< ancestral> So, to recap: Linux = ‘wesnoth’, Windows = ‘wesnoth.exe’, OS X = ‘Wesnoth’
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20140715 12:31:52< gfgtdf> shadowm: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?21865 should be fixed in 1.12 (1.11.13) and in master since teh code that caused the assertion was completely replaced by another code in both versions 
20140715 12:32:34< gfgtdf> shadowm: i didnt test whether https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?22046 was present in 1.12
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20140715 12:35:27< gfgtdf> shadowm: the code has changed very much since https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?20257 was filed so i i think the debug information is nearly useless, and we dont even know whether the bug is still present.
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20140715 16:21:28< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/29988198
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20140715 17:15:21< AI0867> 06:10 < shadowm> AI0867: You just had to include the last line from that IRC log in #21267... :p ← http://youtu.be/1W7c8QghPxk
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20140715 18:24:14< mordante> servus
20140715 18:24:16< mordante> hi lipkab 
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20140715 18:28:06< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth#3825 (master - f4ca4d2 : Chris Beck): The build was fixed.
20140715 18:28:06< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/30002383
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20140715 18:29:54< mordante> shadowm, regarding 22046 it indeed seems I forgot to backport the change, thanks for the info
20140715 18:30:28< mordante> shadowm, will do it now
20140715 18:34:15< lipkab> Hi mordante.
20140715 18:35:13< mordante> hi lipkab how are you doing?
20140715 18:35:38< irker334> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth:1.12 e74fb902e335 / changelog data/gui/default/widget/toggle_panel_default.cfg: Set the minimum width for a listbox cell. http://git.io/fyPMRQ
20140715 18:35:51< mordante> shadowm, ^
20140715 18:38:06< lipkab> mordante: I took the weekend off so I didn't proceed as much as I wanted but still done quite some work.
20140715 18:38:49< lipkab> The main display is almost done.
20140715 18:39:01< lipkab> Minimap alomst done too.
20140715 18:39:13< lipkab> I'm working on the sidebar atm.
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20140715 18:41:10< mordante> ok
20140715 18:41:23< mordante> any problems or issues you ran into?
20140715 18:43:09< lipkab> mordante: The only major one is scrolling.
20140715 18:43:19< mordante> tearing issues?
20140715 18:44:31< lipkab> No, the problem is that I can't move parts of the display like with software rendering.
20140715 18:45:16< lipkab> I mean, copy an area from the screen to a surface and then blit it to a different location.
20140715 18:45:43< lipkab> So, everything needs to be invalidated when scrolling.
20140715 18:46:27< lipkab> That's apparently slow enough to make scrolling laggy.
20140715 18:47:02< mordante> using hardware acceleration?
20140715 18:47:50< lipkab> Yes.
20140715 18:49:13< mordante> indeed sounds bad, I thought OGL would be very good for this issue :-(
20140715 18:49:17< lipkab> Oh well, and there's another one, local ToD.
20140715 18:50:38< lipkab> mordante: I haven't tried to optimize it yet, maybe it's not that difficult.
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20140715 18:51:07< mordante> ok
20140715 18:51:21< mordante> what is the problem with local ToD?
20140715 18:51:27< lipkab> I can scroll quite smoothly in Civ 5, so there must be a solution ;)
20140715 18:52:33< lipkab> The problem with local ToD is that it involves modifying images at render time.
20140715 18:52:35< mordante> :-)
20140715 18:53:13< lipkab> Which means rebuilding textures constantly.
20140715 18:53:27< lipkab> Which was insanely slow.
20140715 18:53:45< mordante> I see… I can imagine it's slow
20140715 18:53:49< mordante> hmm
20140715 18:53:55< lipkab> So I practically disabled local ToD in SDL_gpu builds for now.
20140715 18:54:26< lipkab> My best idea is that this will be resolved with some shader magic.
20140715 18:55:30< mordante> do you know how hard would it be to cache the textures with local ToD in the current image cache?
20140715 18:57:30< lipkab> I'd say it's simple (a light string and a file path identifies a texture), but I guess there's a reason it wasn't done before.
20140715 18:58:18< lipkab> For starters, there could be a very large amount of combinations, so it'd be likely a rather memory-consuming solution.
20140715 18:58:26< mordante> probably, but it can be simply they were added after the cache and the person implementing it never added to the cache
20140715 18:58:58< lipkab> Hmm, true.
20140715 18:59:03< mordante> so in a sense not adding them was not a decision but just how it panned out
20140715 19:01:25< mordante> actually it seems image::get_lighted_image is cached
20140715 19:02:40< lipkab> Not the resulting images themselves, just the light maps.
20140715 19:02:49< lipkab> Oh.
20140715 19:02:54< lipkab> Stupid me.
20140715 19:03:24< lipkab> So I could just render the images and the lightmaps separately.
20140715 19:05:49< mordante> am I mistaken? does image::get_lighted_image return a lightmap?
20140715 19:08:01< lipkab> Err... no you're not. I'm a complete idiot, apparently.
20140715 19:08:50< lipkab> Not sure why I assumed that get_lighted_image works the way I thought.
20140715 19:09:53< mordante> well at least your problem is solved
20140715 19:10:22< lipkab> Yeah.
20140715 19:11:17< mordante> other issues or potential roadblocks?
20140715 19:11:48< lipkab> I can't see anything atm.
20140715 19:12:23< mordante> ok good
20140715 19:12:29< mordante> other things you want to discuss?
20140715 19:13:38< lipkab> Well... I think I completely messed up the timeline.
20140715 19:14:04< lipkab> We're supposed to be at week 9 right now.
20140715 19:14:19< lipkab> So there should be 4 weeks remaining.
20140715 19:14:34< lipkab> But it's still only mid-July.
20140715 19:15:11< lipkab> So there's more than 6 summer weeks plus one ore two more in September.
20140715 19:16:29< lipkab> I think I was wrong thinking that the program is 12 weeks long?
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20140715 19:18:03< mordante> in my timeline the 18th of August is the final `pencils down' date http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014?PageSpeed=noscript
20140715 19:18:47< lipkab> Ah, okay then.
20140715 19:19:15< mordante> I think it was the beginning of September last year, but not sure
20140715 19:19:19< lipkab> Last year it was later, maybe that's why I was confused.
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20140715 19:19:54< lipkab> Nothing else to discuss then.
20140715 19:20:15< mordante> yes I recall it was longer last year and somewhat surprised at that time
20140715 19:20:42< mordante> I tried to compile SDL_GPU with SDL2.0 and had a lot of errors, is that expected
20140715 19:20:43< mordante> ?
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20140715 19:21:19< lipkab> Yes. I'm working with SDL_gpu + SDL1.2.
20140715 19:21:37< lipkab> Do you think SDL2 + SDL_gpu is a better idea?
20140715 19:22:57< mordante> not per se, but I had a cmake compilation using SDL2.0 and that suddenly failed to compile
20140715 19:23:43< mordante> so wondered whether is accidental or not
20140715 19:24:29< lipkab> It surely wasn't my intention to break anything, but I didn't pay attention to SDL2 lately.
20140715 19:24:41< mordante> I want to move to SDL 2.0 in for the better iPhone/Android support but I don't mind to first target SDL1.2/SDL_GPU first
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20140715 19:26:53< mordante> any idea when you will be ready to commit more code?
20140715 19:26:56< lipkab> Fair enough. I expected to be working on this project until September, so I think I can find some time to fix SDL2 :)
20140715 19:27:46< mordante> ok would be nice, but does not have a high priority for me
20140715 19:27:47< lipkab> I'm fixing some compilation issues with non-gpu builds right now, otherwise I'm about ready to commit.
20140715 19:28:29< mordante> I just wondered whether you used SDL 1.2 or 2.0 since the former compiles without issues and the latter horribly fails
20140715 19:29:43< lipkab> I thought it's probably not a good idea to mix two WIP projects, so I went with SDL1.2.
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20140715 19:30:48< mordante> as said not a real problem I just wondered whether you targeted 1.2 or 2.0
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20140715 19:35:15< mordante> I've no more questions/remarks so see you later
20140715 19:35:33< lipkab> Bye.
20140715 19:35:55< mordante> bye lipkab 
20140715 19:35:56< mordante> I'm off bye
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20140715 21:09:45< shadowm> ancestral: For Linux that's correct. On Windows I believe it's lowercase, but that usually doesn't matter (NTFS is a case-preserving case-insensitive filesystem).
20140715 21:10:02< shadowm> (Under standard conditions, anyway.)
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20140715 21:28:14< shadowm> RiftWalker: It seems you've never visited the forums, but you have a PM in your inbox now anyway.
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20140715 21:42:40< patwotrik> i wonder if it's a good thing to develop the feature to require registration of user name
20140715 21:42:57< patwotrik> sure, i'd like the feature
20140715 21:43:05< shadowm> gfgtdf: If #20257 may still be present then the correct status is Works For Me (if you tried to reproduce and it didn't) or Need Info. Won't Fix is for "not a bug" or "cannot be fixed safely in a maintenance branch" situations.
20140715 21:43:10< patwotrik> but will it decrease the number of players?
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20140715 21:43:12< irker273> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master dc4470dbe823 / src/help.cpp: unit type help shows a list of available traits with links http://git.io/WGlEmA
20140715 21:43:24< patwotrik> it's not like it's over crowded on the official server
20140715 21:43:38< shadowm> gfgtdf: I'm going to assume #21865 is fixed in 1.11.16 and close it then.
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20140715 21:49:18< gfgtdf> shadowm: sigurdfdragon said in the thread that that bug is a bublicate of another bug (assertion failure in random.cpp), i don't really know more
20140715 21:51:02< gfgtdf> shadowm: even if the 'underlaying problem' of 20257 is still present it wont show anymore in the form that was reported in that report, since that code where it appreared was removed.
20140715 21:51:20< gfgtdf> appears*
20140715 21:51:47< gfgtdf> shadowm: so i think we should close it.
20140715 21:51:51< Coffee_irc> patwotrik: if you are after games with devoted players then maybe you should look to the tournaments on the forums (e.g. http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=40303)
20140715 21:54:05< shadowm> gfgtdf: Then #20257 should be Fixed or Works For Me, not Won't Fix.
20140715 21:54:08< Soliton> patwotrik: we can already allow only registered users on the server, if that's what you're talking about.
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20140715 21:58:11< patwotrik> Soliton, what?
20140715 21:58:29< patwotrik> Soliton, Ah, i missed the word "can" :)
20140715 21:58:54< patwotrik> I
20140715 21:59:17< patwotrik> I'm planning to make it possible to have the option "only registered players" when creating a game
20140715 22:00:31< patwotrik> but i'm having second thoughts
20140715 22:01:07< Soliton> i don't see how an additional game option would decrease the number of players.
20140715 22:01:25< Soliton> why would the ones not liking the option care?
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20140715 22:03:30< patwotrik> it's just a hypothesis
20140715 22:03:54< patwotrik> but the one who would be using the option are quite devoted players
20140715 22:04:14< shadowm> I don't think it's any different than claiming password-protected games are harmful to the server.
20140715 22:04:30< patwotrik> and players who are not very devoted could think "fuck it" if they can't join say 50-60% of the games
20140715 22:04:43< patwotrik> i think it's quite different
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20140715 22:05:04< patwotrik> requiring password is something you do when you want to play with specific players
20140715 22:05:10< patwotrik> but i don't know
20140715 22:06:32< patwotrik> and i think wesnoth already is short on players
20140715 22:06:46< Soliton> i'd think it's better to not be able to join a game where you're not welcome instead of carefully having to read each game title and/or get kicked out.
20140715 22:07:25< Coffee_irc> patwotrik: I would think you are right that the "newbie's" would be less catered for and might leave before really getting into the MP experience
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20140715 22:08:42< Coffee_irc> best thing we can do IMO is fix MP bugs that impact on the experience and let it grow naturally
20140715 22:09:05< Coffee_irc> which is kind of what we are doing
20140715 22:10:28< shadowm> I thought this feature was born out of a desire to control social interactions, not avoid bugs.
20140715 22:10:32< Soliton> because playing with an experienced player that expects the same from the newbie just must be an excellent experience since he will be so motivated to teach the newbie everything he needs to know with the utmost patience and respect, every time.
20140715 22:10:55< shadowm> No matter how many bugs you fix, some people are still awful people.
20140715 22:11:24< Coffee_irc> true
20140715 22:11:45< Coffee_irc> but I've been kicked for being a "newbie" on isar's before and I win 99% of games I am in :P
20140715 22:12:07< Coffee_irc> all because I chose my leader instead of a random one
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20140715 22:13:21< Coffee_irc> registering a username doesn't make you automatically a good player
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20140715 22:14:26< Soliton> stating the obvious does not automatically make you contribute to the discussion. :->
20140715 22:15:20< Coffee_irc> it's early in the morning and I am still a little sleepy from waking up earlier in the week early in the morning to see the world cup final ;)
20140715 22:16:37< Coffee_irc> I think the main gist is that some people want to exclude "noobs" from playing with them that might finish the game with bad moves early on
20140715 22:16:42< Coffee_irc> unless I am mistaken?
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20140715 22:20:01< Coffee_irc> I don't think you can prevent against players making bad moves unless you talk to them on your team
20140715 22:20:21< Coffee_irc> planning mode is good for team talk with those that have limited English speaking skills
20140715 22:20:35< irker273> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 8354e6fd1eb4 / src/game_preferences_display.cpp: preferences: Improve desktop notifications support warning http://git.io/kOVoDQ
20140715 22:22:10< shadowm> iceiceice: I'd like to replace this "Disable notifications" option with "Desktop notifications", inverting the logic (it's the only Advanced Preferences option with inverse logic atm) if you don't mind.
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20140715 22:23:28< shadowm> Well, it's the only Preferences option with inverse logic, period.
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20140715 22:41:35< iceiceice> shadowm: preference rename sounds good to me
20140715 22:43:18< iceiceice> shadowm: i also made a commit about an hour ago to add the list of traits to each unit's entry in the help menu, it looks like this rihgt now: http://i.imgur.com/LIC9He6.png
20140715 22:48:29< patwotrik> Soliton, That's true
20140715 22:48:53< patwotrik> I'm just raising the question about what would happen if let's say 70% of the games required registration
20140715 22:49:02< patwotrik> maybe i'm just paranoid
20140715 22:51:08< iceiceice> patwotrik: i see what you are saying but let me play devil's advocate
20140715 22:51:15< iceiceice> maybe it would be better if most people registered
20140715 22:51:37< iceiceice> people tend to be much better behaved when they are identified in some way, even if its still basically anonymous, they get invested in the reputation even of their anonymous handle
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20140715 22:52:41< iceiceice> its not too hard for a host to run a "registered only" game, they can just type /info to get the registration status of any account
20140715 22:52:48< iceiceice> its just fairly tedious
20140715 22:53:41< patwotrik> yea i know, that's the benefit of requiring registration, and the main reason i'm planning this
20140715 22:53:42< iceiceice> i guess thats why the feature is requested often
20140715 22:53:58< iceiceice> another thing is,
20140715 22:54:19< iceiceice> if ther's a checkbox which screens for registration, more hosts might use that rather than the "must be registered >= 2 years" games
20140715 22:55:13< iceiceice> to me at least thats what really seems controversial
20140715 22:55:37< patwotrik> it's extremely tidious and as Soliton has pointed out, people get annoyed when kicked
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20140715 23:00:47< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth#3828 (master - 8354e6f : Ignacio R. Morelle): The build has errored.
20140715 23:00:47< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/30026387
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20140715 23:23:54< gfgtdf> RiftWalker: did you see my message above about int -> bool conversion ?
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20140715 23:28:50< shadowm> iceiceice: Looks fine to me, although I'm not sure if the Advancements/race/abilities lines were that much apart from each other before?
20140715 23:29:14< shadowm> I assume you took care to choose the female display name for traits applying to female-only units?
20140715 23:30:03< RiftWalker> gfgtdf: i got it now. i'll take care of it.
20140715 23:30:53< irker273> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 504cf88e7e33 / / (3 files in 2 dirs): preferences: Replace orb slider icons to reduce IPF abuse in the C++ http://git.io/hk2I1g
20140715 23:31:42< RiftWalker> as for pre-game files, i was going with namespace ng. if you want to put them in a folder... maybe game_creation or something similar?
20140715 23:33:18< gfgtdf> RiftWalker: hmm do you think that name also covers mp lobby ?
20140715 23:34:13< RiftWalker> gfgtdf: i would group them together.
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20140715 23:34:54< RiftWalker> gfgtdf: also, thanks for pointing out that line. it's actually completely wrong.
20140715 23:40:10< shadowm> I started a locally-hosted networked AI vs. AI game with master and saw a flood of these in stderr: http://pastebin.com/nV24HA9Z
20140715 23:41:21< gfgtdf> shadowm: hm ye that still needs to be fixed
20140715 23:41:30< gfgtdf> shadowm: is a server sided fault
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20140715 23:42:58< gfgtdf> shadowm: this lop need somply to be removed: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/server/game.cpp#L967
20140715 23:43:00< gfgtdf> loop
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20140715 23:43:51< gfgtdf> shadowm: i didnt deete it for backward compaility which now can be removed
20140715 23:43:59< shadowm> Well, I have no idea what any of that means but sure!
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20140715 23:47:59< shadowm> iceiceice: "Fix bug wherein dbus notifications did not have a wesnoth icon" -- it still doesn't for me?
20140715 23:48:06< mattsc> Hey all - just wanted to say that I will be around very little the next 4 weeks, and entirely out of contact July 26 - August 11.
20140715 23:48:22< mattsc> Hopefully 1.11.17 won’t be released during that time.  :P
20140715 23:48:56< irker273> wesnoth: Nathan Walker wesnoth:master ab37920d0089 / src/multiplayer_configure.cpp: fix typo in multiplayer_configure http://git.io/TWOasQ
20140715 23:49:16< RiftWalker> gfgtdf: ^
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20140715 23:49:57< shadowm> iceiceice: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21371130/screenshots/wesnoth-1.13.0-dbus-notification.png
20140715 23:50:28< shadowm> mattsc: Aw, and here I had planned to replace Ivanovic with a robot who could make releases every two weeks for us.
20140715 23:51:03< mattsc> shadowm: well, if you make it 15 days instead of 2 weeks and time it right, it might just work  ;)
20140715 23:51:24< mattsc> An Ivanobot would be interesting though.
20140715 23:51:58< mattsc> Also, ancestral suggested to automate the OS X releases.  I’ll leave that to him to figure out though.
20140715 23:55:55< irker273> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 2fac0313566c / / (4 files in 3 dirs): preferences: Replace "Disable notifications" with "Desktop notifications" http://git.io/i5-5Dw
20140715 23:55:58< irker273> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 6620d60d70ab / data/advanced_preferences.cfg: preferences: Give the Desktop notifications option a tooltip http://git.io/ffEaEg
20140715 23:59:33< mattsc> To those of you who understand translations: should a line like the following be translatable?
20140715 23:59:34< mattsc> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/data/ai/micro_ais/scenarios/guardians.cfg#L147
20140715 23:59:59< irker273> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 2ba51579c027 / players_changelog: Update players changelog for default minimap config changes http://git.io/CmDKRw
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