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20140726 09:40:39< aquileia> vultraz: Why shouldn't I undef a single-use macro argument?
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20140726 09:42:27< aquileia> trackplacer automtically prepares an undef for all journey macros, but that's a lot less elegant than doing it on use
20140726 09:44:18< aquileia> I still have to find a bug before it works, but if you consider it a bad idea in itself...
20140726 09:55:35< aquileia> Can I run the Wesnoth preprocessor on a file?
20140726 09:59:00< aquileia> Never mind, it would remove the relevant line...
20140726 10:01:28< zookeeper> if you do {FOO {BAR}} then at least i'd think it could be confusing if you undef BAR inside FOO
20140726 10:01:34< zookeeper> i don't recall if that was the case or not
20140726 10:02:23< zookeeper> and i mean it'd be confusing if you later try to use {BAR} after that {FOO {BAR}} call where it was silently undef'd
20140726 10:02:54< zookeeper> i... guess that wasn't the case? sounds like you couldn't do that anyway
20140726 10:04:00< zookeeper> oh, it is... assuming i'm interpreting the code right
20140726 10:04:08< zookeeper> but does {{STAGE}} really work? i wouldn't have expected that
20140726 10:07:43< zookeeper> i think that's a bit too esoteric to widely use in mainline, i'd rather see {TSG__BIGMAP {JOURNEY_01_NEW} } instead of {TSG__BIGMAP JOURNEY_01_NEW }
20140726 10:08:21< zookeeper> p.s. there are those double underscores in TSG 1-5
20140726 10:10:10< aquileia> zookeeper: Oh, I'l get rid of them, thanks
20140726 10:10:38< aquileia> yes, {{STAGE}} is valid
20140726 10:11:54< aquileia> I had used it as you proposed (calling the macro via {TSG__BIGMAP {JOURNEY_01_NEW}} ) but then I couldn't undef becase the macrois substituted first
20140726 10:12:10< aquileia> only - it still is
20140726 10:12:40< aquileia> I can't get the undef working with that trick...
20140726 10:13:19< zookeeper> well, there's no harm in just leaving all of it non-undef'd
20140726 10:14:14< zookeeper> ...at the moment anyway
20140726 10:15:47< aquileia> isn't macro bloat one of the main problems for several UMC campagns?
20140726 10:16:46< zookeeper> yes, if by "macro bloat" one means that the size of the expanded WML is huge. it doesn't really refer to the number of macro definitions
20140726 10:17:28< aquileia> Doesn't undef remove the WM from the parser?
20140726 10:17:33< aquileia> *WML
20140726 10:17:36< zookeeper> i've never heard anyone interpret "macro bloat" differently
20140726 10:18:34< zookeeper> i'm sure it removes the contents of the macro from the parser's/preprocessor's/whatever's memory
20140726 10:18:49< zookeeper> it still doesn't affect the size of the WML
20140726 10:19:27< aquileia> ok, I'll remove that line if it doen't really help
20140726 10:20:45< aquileia> should I re-convert back to {TSG_BIGMAP {JOURNEY_01_NEW}} ? I prefer the other version bcause it'll substitute it later, but it's your choice
20140726 10:22:44< vultraz> aquileia: macro args only exist in the scope of the macro
20140726 10:22:55< vultraz> you don't need to undef them, ever
20140726 10:23:29< zookeeper> yeah but he was undefing the macro which's name got passed to the macro as an argument... (right? :P)
20140726 10:24:01< aquileia> vultraz saw the old version where I did i incorrectly
20140726 10:24:06< zookeeper> aquileia, well, as i said yes, i'd prefer that, because even if the esoteric version works it's pretty bizarre really
20140726 10:24:15< aquileia> so you're both right ;)
20140726 10:24:18< vultraz> aquileia: ah
20140726 10:24:21< vultraz> sorry
20140726 10:24:30 * zookeeper will be afk for a while
20140726 10:24:45< aquileia> vultraz: it still doesn't work, so... no idea, really
20140726 10:25:28< aquileia> zookeeper: How strong is that preference? =P
20140726 10:26:12< vultraz> aquileia: #undef STAGE
20140726 10:26:25< zookeeper> aquileia, pretty strong :P
20140726 10:27:26< vultraz> aquileia: #undef {STAGE} means "undef the value of the macro arg STAGE
20140726 10:28:03< vultraz> also you have a macro arg and a macro name that are the same in the same scope
20140726 10:28:09< aquileia> Ah, I thought the first set of braces would beb mandatory part of the parameter syntx
20140726 10:28:16< vultraz> you should make the arg _STAGE
20140726 10:28:50< aquileia> hmm? Where do I use STAGE as a macro?
20140726 10:29:09< vultraz> {{STAGE}}
20140726 10:29:15< vultraz> which is...uh
20140726 10:29:23< vultraz> wrong actually
20140726 10:29:30< aquileia> no, it works
20140726 10:29:49< vultraz> also #undef-ing something means it's a macro
20140726 10:29:54< aquileia> it calls the macro, whereas {STAGE} doesn't
20140726 10:30:37< aquileia> that's also the rason why I thought {STAGE} passes the macro name
20140726 10:30:42< vultraz> if you want just the macro, use {STAGE}
20140726 10:31:08< vultraz> if you want the value of the arg, use {_STAGE} (and rename the arg)
20140726 10:31:15< aquileia> that causes the game to exit to desktop
20140726 10:31:56< vultraz> if you want the value of arg _STAGE to be the macro STAGE, use {_STAGE} and call {LIBERTY_BIGMAP {STAGE}}
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20140726 10:32:48< aquileia> I want to call the macro and undef the very same macro thereafter, so I pass the macro name... isn't that correct?
20140726 10:35:07< vultraz> aquileia: then why does the LIBERTY_BIGMAP macro even have an arg?
20140726 10:35:22< aquileia> My logic is - {STAGE}=JOURNEY_01_NEW and thus {{STAGE}} calls the macro while #undef {STAGE} is in fact #undef JOURNEY_01_NEW
20140726 10:36:01< aquileia> vultaz: I call it with different journey macro names
20140726 10:36:50< vultraz> aquileia: do you have a macro named STAGE?
20140726 10:36:55< aquileia> no
20140726 10:37:28< vultraz> so what is STAGE - the macro argument only?
20140726 10:37:48< aquileia> yes, it contains the name of a macro
20140726 10:37:59< vultraz> ok
20140726 10:38:00< aquileia> it's only used as an argument
20140726 10:38:31< aquileia> I guess I'll just abandon the undef
20140726 10:38:31< vultraz> ok
20140726 10:38:35< vultraz> use {STAGE}
20140726 10:38:39< vultraz> and remove the undef
20140726 10:38:50< aquileia> ok, will do
20140726 10:38:51< vultraz> do not use {{STAGE}}
20140726 10:39:13< vultraz> see, the problem with the undef is that the preprocessor doesn't do delayed substitution
20140726 10:40:08< vultraz> I think it's literally trying to undef a macro named "{STAGE}"
20140726 10:40:08< aquileia> ok, then there's no chance to get it working, good to know
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20140726 11:34:21< aquileia> hmm... wouldn't it be a good idea to initialize https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/e8f5a4eec1e053f5707823c810712778eac11682/src/storyscreen/part.cpp#L174 with true?
20140726 11:48:42< zookeeper> aquileia, no, because the title is usually only displayed with the map (in mainline, that is)
20140726 11:49:05< zookeeper> not to mention it'd break the default behavior for... no benefit, basically
20140726 11:50:23< aquileia> well, officially there's no default behaviour, I rather meant to explicitly set it (and if we want false, so be it)
20140726 11:51:03< aquileia> because right now we rely on the compiler
20140726 11:51:13< aquileia> but it's not important
20140726 11:51:48< zookeeper> oh, i see
20140726 11:53:24< aquileia> Any compiler should set it to zero, but I don't know whether the standard makes that obligatory
20140726 11:53:58< aquileia> but as I said, not really an issue
20140726 11:54:16< zookeeper> if there's no stated default and mainline indeed defines it in every [part] (or someone is willing to make it so), then i don't really care which way it goes
20140726 11:55:03< zookeeper> it's probably like kill= in [store_unit]; i know there's a default but i never remember which one it is, so i always specify it in every [store_unit] i ever write :p
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20140726 13:24:59< aquileia> zookeeper, Turuk: Wait, NR still uses the old Wesnoth map?
20140726 13:26:01< aquileia> and so does THOT...
20140726 13:27:06< aquileia> and TB as well...
20140726 13:29:23< aquileia> Any volunteers?
20140726 13:36:53< zookeeper> aquileia, yeah, someone should do something about that :p
20140726 13:37:36< zookeeper> all it really takes is for someone to redo the journey markers to fit on whichever of the new maps is most suitable
20140726 13:38:00< aquileia> I know
20140726 13:38:00< zookeeper> i didn't even know/remember that NR has a bigmap at all though
20140726 13:38:40< aquileia> it's only used  a fe times, it seems
20140726 13:39:07< zookeeper> right
20140726 13:40:11< aquileia> I'll tryto get my PR in before that so that the volunteer can care about the macro names =P
20140726 13:40:16< zookeeper> anyway, to make proper THoT and TB maps i can add new symbols (or remove old ones) from an existing map, but i'm not gonna make completely new ones just for those
20140726 13:41:11< aquileia> They used the titlescreen map anyhow, so there's no need for new maps
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20140726 15:04:12< aquileia> zookeeper: LOW has a new bigmap just for itself, but stil uses the old one because the tracks aren't converted yet...
20140726 15:04:33< zookeeper> yeah, i just did the map as requested
20140726 15:05:25< aquileia> wesbot: seen fabi
20140726 15:05:25< wesbot> aquileia: The person with the nick fabi last spoke 45d 23h ago.  45d 12h ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth, #wesnoth-de and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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20140726 15:05:36< aquileia> wesbot: seen fendrin
20140726 15:05:36< wesbot> aquileia: Sorry, I don't know of fendrin.
20140726 15:05:55< zookeeper> he's been rather absent lately
20140726 15:06:17< aquileia> Well, I don't think he'll come back to place tracks
20140726 15:08:15< aquileia> That's a total of 5 campaigns with the old map... DM, LOW, THOT, TB, NR
20140726 15:09:32< aquileia> Something we might want to change before 1.12 (at least IMHO it should be a blocker for the stable release)
20140726 15:10:08< zookeeper> well i don't think it should be a blocker, but yes, it would be nice to deal with as many as possible
20140726 15:12:36< aquileia> A bit OT, but I guess if I needed a map of the kalifate territory for our campaign you're probably theonly one who could create it?
20140726 15:13:29< zookeeper> yeah
20140726 15:16:06< aquileia> When we have completed the part inside Wesnoth, would you consider making a map for the second half of the campaign?
20140726 15:16:18< aquileia> Pretty please? ;)
20140726 15:16:46< zookeeper> sure, if someone starts using the southern lands then i'll make a proper map of it
20140726 15:16:59< aquileia> Great! Thanks
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