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It seems that I have exploded. Please wait while I reinstall the universe.] 20140714 06:34:39-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20140714 06:35:08-!- _8680_ [~8680@2002:4404:712c:0:6d70:8891:a027:f5d4] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20140714 06:36:04-!- _8680_ [~8680@2002:4404:712c:0:c53f:6495:3c3a:f59a] has joined #wesnoth 20140714 06:41:07-!- tsniatowski [~tsniatows@2a01:1120:1:155:5943:e436:1101:4945] has joined #wesnoth 20140714 07:17:27-!- tsniatowski [~tsniatows@2a01:1120:1:155:5943:e436:1101:4945] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20140714 07:18:23-!- tsniatowski [~tsniatows@91.241.2.251] has joined #wesnoth 20140714 08:07:44-!- enchilado is now known as ramienz 20140714 08:19:49-!- JackBauer24 [~JackBauer@89-71-84-205.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #wesnoth 20140714 08:23:16-!- ramienz is now known as enchilado 20140714 08:37:38-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20140714 08:55:30< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) Wesnoth 1.11.16 (1.12 beta 6) is out now! http://r.wesnoth.org/t40494 [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/488607707503804416 ] 20140714 08:57:56< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) Wesnoth 1.11.16 (1.12 beta 6) is out now! http://r.wesnoth.org/t40745 [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/488608320631365633 ] 20140714 09:00:22-!- shadowm changed the topic of #wesnoth to: Wesnoth User Channel | http://www.wesnoth.org/ | Latest stable version: 1.10.7 | Latest development version: 1.11.16 (1.12 beta 6) | Check the upness of Wesnoth servers on http://status.wesnoth.org | Public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! 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I THINK NOT 20140714 20:41:30< BPRoberts> And there was a new patch today, which is pretty hot news. 20140714 20:41:38< ancestral> For realz 20140714 20:42:03< BPRoberts> Any guestimate on when 1.12 is coming out? I kinda stopped following for awhile and just started playing again last week. 20140714 20:42:58< zookeeper> if no big problems crop up then maybe within a few months 20140714 20:43:11< zookeeper> but... that seems like a rare occurrence :p 20140714 20:43:14< BPRoberts> That's about what I figured. 20140714 20:43:35< BPRoberts> Hey, all you gotta do is fix bugs without causing two more to pop up, easy peasy. 20140714 20:43:57< zookeeper> so you'd think :p 20140714 20:49:53< BPRoberts> So now that Khalifate is going in, how long has it been since Drakes were added? It must've been years, because I started playing in 08, and they were already in IIRC. 20140714 20:59:52-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20140714 21:10:20-!- c74d [~c74d3a4eb@2002:4404:712c:0:76de:2bff:fed4:2766] has quit [Quit: c74d] 20140714 21:15:35-!- c74d [~c74d3a4eb@2002:4404:712c:0:76de:2bff:fed4:2766] has joined #wesnoth 20140714 21:28:36-!- thunderstruck [~zaibotren@cpc7-lewi16-2-0-cust662.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20140714 21:29:31-!- thunderstruck [~zaibotren@cpc7-lewi16-2-0-cust662.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #wesnoth 20140714 21:42:30< ancestral> BPRoberts: A long time 20140714 21:42:49< ancestral> 2005 or 2006? I think it was around 1.4, but others would know better than me 20140714 21:43:35< zookeeper> earlier than 1.4, i'm pretty sure 20140714 21:44:12< zookeeper> 0.7 says the changelog 20140714 21:44:53< zookeeper> 0.7.10 to be precise 20140714 21:46:25< BPRoberts> What's the easiest place to find old changelogs? I've looked before but haven't had much luck. 20140714 21:46:30< zookeeper> so that'd be all the way back to 2004 20140714 21:46:58< zookeeper> look at the changelog file in your install dir 20140714 21:48:02-!- thunderstruck [~zaibotren@cpc7-lewi16-2-0-cust662.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20140714 21:49:32< ancestral> Way earlier than I thought 20140714 21:49:50< zookeeper> yeah i somehow thought they'd have gotten in like between 1.0 and 1.2 or something 20140714 21:49:55 * zookeeper shrugs 20140714 21:52:23< ancestral> BPRoberts: What do you want for the next race? Catfolk? Faeries? 20140714 21:52:40< BPRoberts> Hmmm, never really thought about it. 20140714 21:52:45< ancestral> Heh 20140714 21:53:12< BPRoberts> I think we're due for another evil type race. Maybe Lovecraftian monsters or something. 20140714 21:53:45< ancestral> Dark elves 20140714 21:53:53< ancestral> Lovecraftian hmm 20140714 21:54:10< zookeeper> i was going to come up with some stupid faction idea, but then realized it's probably been suggested at some point already -.- 20140714 21:54:20< ancestral> Probably 20140714 21:54:29< ancestral> Doesn’t mean it’s not a good idea :-P 20140714 21:54:45< zookeeper> i dunno, i think stupid ideas are pretty seldomly good :p 20140714 21:55:08< BPRoberts> Hmmm, Dark Elves using monsters to fill the gaps that humans fill in the Rebel faction? 20140714 21:55:29< ancestral> Like summoners or something? 20140714 21:55:33< ancestral> Using dark magic? 20140714 21:55:34< BPRoberts> Or maybe a Drow/Duergar faction. 20140714 21:55:36< BPRoberts> Maybe 20140714 21:55:42< BPRoberts> Anything to use less humans. 20140714 21:56:02< BPRoberts> They're already the majority of 2 factions and a big chunk of 3 more. 20140714 21:56:32< zookeeper> anything to use less humans, elves and dwarves 20140714 21:56:39< ancestral> There’s a bunch in that one Ages addon 20140714 21:57:14< BPRoberts> Maybe an all artificial race. Golems, Hommuncili, clockwerk things that have rebelled against their creators. 20140714 21:57:40 * zookeeper votes for "no new factions" 20140714 21:58:53< BPRoberts> Probably the best solution, at least for the short term. 20140714 21:59:25< zookeeper> 6 factions is a pretty decent amount 20140714 21:59:36< zookeeper> i'm not even counting khalifate yet because it's so isolated 20140714 21:59:53< BPRoberts> I think they've got all the bases pretty well covered. 20140714 22:00:23< BPRoberts> And you definitely want to make sure the Khalifate shakes out ok before you even think about others. 20140714 22:02:02-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: Bye for now] 20140714 22:04:07< zookeeper> well... i doubt it'll ever be quite as integrated as drakes 20140714 22:04:18< BPRoberts> Why's that? 20140714 22:05:16< zookeeper> because they don't really fit in anywhere in a way which makes a lot of sense, unlike drakes which at least story-wise are very compatible with the rest of the world even if they're not featured much 20140714 22:06:50< zookeeper> and i'm just talking from a world-building POV, not what they're like as a MP faction as far as gameplay is concerned 20140714 22:09:20< shadowm> The only difference between the Khalifate and drakes AFAICT is that drakes at least feature in a TRoW scenario... and that's about it, since they only make very minor appearances in a few other campaigns. 20140714 22:09:52< shadowm> (Feature in a world-building fashion, that is.) 20140714 22:10:42< shadowm> So if you found a place for the Khalifate they'd be playing on an even field then. 20140714 22:11:38< BPRoberts> Does the Khalifate have much/any lore yet, outside of the basic unit stuff? 20140714 22:12:08< shadowm> Not at all, that's the issue. 20140714 22:12:25< zookeeper> a sketch of a backstory 20140714 22:12:58< zookeeper> but it'll need quite a bit of work before it can work 20140714 22:13:31< shadowm> I meant in the game itself. 20140714 22:13:47< zookeeper> well, yes, in that case it's "not at all" indeed :P 20140714 22:14:52< BPRoberts> The "easy" was would be to do a campaign of them invading. 20140714 22:15:06< BPRoberts> They're a tribe from far off lands that are mentioned vaguely in ancient records 20140714 22:15:24< shadowm> The easy way would be to have them feature in a single scenario of *any* campaign like the drakes above, really. 20140714 22:15:31< BPRoberts> But they've used up all their land/resources, so a huge army attacks wesnoth. 20140714 22:15:45< BPRoberts> Well, easy that's not just tacked on. 20140714 22:15:49< zookeeper> BPRoberts, yeah except that's incompatible with their planned backstory 20140714 22:16:11< shadowm> (On the same note, every scenario featuring drakes other than that single one essentially has them just for eye-candy with no well-justified plot reason.) 20140714 22:16:28< zookeeper> also, while drakes only make appearances in a handful of campaigns, they can plausibly appear almost anywhere, whereas the khalifate can't appear... uh, almost anywhere, really 20140714 22:17:38< zookeeper> you can put a bunch of drakes on a mountain anywhere and that's fine, apparently some drakes live there 20140714 22:18:17-!- JackBauer24 [~JackBauer@89-71-84-205.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20140714 22:18:21< shadowm> Well, their original appearance kind of justifies every later appearance. (Their homeland is sinking so they'll eventually be forced to migrate elsewhere.) 20140714 22:18:25< zookeeper> which is a great perk for an added faction to have 20140714 22:21:01< BPRoberts> Well there's plenty of empty space on the timeline, anywhere post HttT can probably wiggle them in without breaking too much. 20140714 22:22:02< shadowm> But that requires creating a campaign. 20140714 22:23:13< zookeeper> and it's hard to create a campaign without the intended lore 20140714 22:23:40< shadowm> The thing with mainline campaigns is that after 1.0 they've never been specifically written *for* mainline. There is no mainline campaign *authoring* team, so any new content in mainline has a UMC background. Essentially, we are stuck waiting for a cool Khalifate UMC to appear out of nowhere. 20140714 22:27:54< zookeeper> except THoT but even that was not exactly... uh, a team decision, i suppose 20140714 22:28:59< shadowm> It wasn't developed in the mainline repository until it was finished anyway. 20140714 22:30:22< BPRoberts> So what little bit does exist so far for someone to work off of? 20140714 22:35:14-!- prkc [~prkc@51B6A05D.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20140714 22:39:34< zookeeper> aside from existing unit descriptions (?) or uncommitted ones maybe floating around somewhere, there's http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=33782&p=506117#p503997 which is the aforementioned sketch of a backstory, and i'm not really aware of anything else 20140714 22:45:30-!- panda__ [~IMO@AMontsouris-653-1-9-70.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20140714 22:51:03-!- zookeeper [zookeeper@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20140714 23:11:09-!- Jetrel_ [~Jetrel@c-75-73-180-126.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20140714 23:15:56-!- Haldrik [~haldrik@unaffiliated/haldrik] has quit [Quit: Haldrik] 20140714 23:20:15-!- Jetrel [~Jetrel@c-75-73-180-126.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth 20140714 23:36:04-!- ancestral [~ancestral@17.114.45.200] has quit [Quit: ancestral] 20140714 23:51:08-!- ancestral [~ancestral@17.115.177.242] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Tue Jul 15 00:00:29 2014