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20140724 01:29:16< ChronoTrigger21> Quick WML question:
20140724 01:30:01< ChronoTrigger21> In a campaign scenario, I want to have a side with no leader, but the units can still own and capture villages. I've been trying to get this to work for the past hour and can't get it right.
20140724 01:30:41< ChronoTrigger21> Does anyone know how to do this, or could point me to a solution elsewhere?
20140724 01:31:47< shadowm> It's not doable in 1.10.x. In 1.11.16 it's possible that [side] defeat_condition might help, but I'm not sure (see <http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SideWML>).
20140724 01:33:12< ChronoTrigger21> Not possible? (I am using 1.10) I'm surprised. Well that's good to know, at least. I've been reading SideWML but it hasn't helped.
20140724 01:33:47< ChronoTrigger21> Is there a workaround? Perhaps with a stored leader, or a fake, immobile one stuck in a corner of the map out of sight?
20140724 01:34:10< shadowm> Well, the best you can do is figure out a way to hide the leader and prevent the controlling player or AI from doing anything with it.
20140724 01:35:07< ChronoTrigger21> How would I hide the unit? (it's the leader of an AI side on the same team as the player, sharing fog view)
20140724 01:35:14< shadowm> If it's a human player, however, there's pretty much no way to do that -- even if you use [hide_unit], the player can find and select the unit with the unit list dialog or the Next Unit action (by default bound to the 'n' key).
20140724 01:35:42< shadowm> And [hide_unit] also allows anyone to click on the unit if they can figure out its location.
20140724 01:36:30< ChronoTrigger21> Hm... I'll see if I can use [hide_unit] while also putting the unit behind some shroud out of sight of the player.
20140724 01:38:22< shadowm> That'll not prevent the AI from interacting with the unit, though, unless the unit is somehow blocked from moving or the AI for that side is configured to ignore it -- which is doable in theory, using [side][ai] configuration parameters (see <http://wiki.wesnoth.org/AiWML>). I don't think I have any examples handy, though.
20140724 01:39:15< shadowm> IIRC it's easier to do that in 1.11.x than in 1.10.x unless you go and enclose the unit in impassable terrains.
20140724 01:40:05< ChronoTrigger21> My map has a 6-hex-wide column of void on one side. I'm going to stick the unit in the corner, hidden by shroud, stuck in the void, and hidden with [hide_unit]. I'll see if that works in a minute...
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20140724 01:53:04< ChronoTrigger21_> Yes! That seems to have worked very well for my purposes.
20140724 01:53:16< ChronoTrigger21_> Thanks for the help shadowm.
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20140724 04:30:21< Tonepoet> Playing random 1v1s all the time gets dull. Such is the price of having observers off I guess. v_v
20140724 04:31:26< Tonepoet> Can I request flawless internet connection as a game feature on the forums? I'm sure everybody wants it. =P
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20140724 04:35:37< Tonepoet> Maybe I can convince some of you guys to play on Server 2 where the replays aren't always meticulously archived?
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20140724 04:40:06< shadowm> server2 sucks.
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20140724 04:57:46< Tonepoet> Nah Shadow Master, it's just the epitome of a prime buddhist concept: That would be emptiness. =P
20140724 04:58:53< shadowm> Who is this Shadow Master person you speak of?
20140724 04:59:40< Tonepoet> Well I presumed it was you but I suppose I could certainly be wrong about that.
20140724 05:01:45< Tonepoet> Definitely somebody on the forums went by tht name and shadowm looks like a trunicated form.
20140724 05:03:09< Tonepoet> Maybe his future self prevailed in the timewars and he ended up banning himself from the forums afterall, much to the dismay of his former and possibly current self.
20140724 05:06:23< Tonepoet> Maybe Shadow M. stands for Shadow Mario: http://www.mariowiki.com/File:Shadow_Mario_Artwork_-_Super_Mario_Sunshine.png
20140724 05:07:05< celticminstrel> Tonepoet plays on the server(s)?
20140724 05:09:22< Tonepoet> Well yeah. I find competitive matches to be the most intriguing aspect of Wesnoth. 2v2 and 1v1 specifically, though I haven't done so much of the former lately. ...
20140724 05:09:47< Tonepoet> I'd honestly be surprised if I could arrange a hotseat game.
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20140724 21:48:11< jesusalva> Hi
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