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20140816 05:25:07< irker782> wesnoth: Nathan Walker wesnoth:master 3154b0760504 / src/ (mp_game_utils.cpp playcampaign.cpp): fix showing mp_connect between sp scenarios http://git.io/RIe-Wg
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20140816 13:07:09< gfgtdf> RiftWalker: about [options] in campaigns do we want [option]s in [canpaign] or in [scenario]s ?
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20140816 13:55:15< zookeeper> oi. who added an extra column in the status table for [side] village_support=? such a column should not appear unless a non-default value is used for a side.
20140816 13:58:12< zookeeper> reason being that in mainline the game rules explicitly state that village support is always 1 and that's how it is in mainline.
20140816 13:58:44< zookeeper> so unless the feature is used, it's a redundant and confusing column, especially when there's no tooltips to explain them.
20140816 14:03:18< mattsc> Hi Ivanovic: I’m confused now.  The wiki states specifically that I can use two double quotes to make a double quote appear in translatable strings:  http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SyntaxWML#Special_Attribute_Values
20140816 14:04:04< Ivanovic> wasn't there some internal style rule to use some utf character for quotes to be on the safe side?
20140816 14:04:23< Ivanovic> what i am aware of is that double quotes tend to be extremely problematic, especially in po files
20140816 14:05:18< mattsc> Ivanovic: okay, I don’t know (or remember) that.  I’m using them in several places in the AI test scenarios and usually they seem to work.
20140816 14:05:30< mattsc> So should I replace them across the board then?
20140816 14:05:45< Ivanovic> that would be good
20140816 14:06:01< Ivanovic> i think noone really tested the translations of the ai domain too well...
20140816 14:06:01< mattsc> And that doesn’t count as violzating the string freeze?
20140816 14:06:07< Ivanovic> argh, it does
20140816 14:06:11< Ivanovic> f***
20140816 14:06:31< mattsc> So maybe just do so in this case, since it doesn’t work there anyway?
20140816 14:09:21< Ivanovic> i guess the extraction script *tries* to handle the double quotes
20140816 14:09:28< Ivanovic> but it fails once things get multiline
20140816 14:09:38< Ivanovic> making those strings untranslateable
20140816 14:10:05< mattsc> Must be something like that.  It does get the first of the “” correctly, but fails on the second (for that specific string)
20140816 14:10:59< Ivanovic> i guess the first rule for the script is to "make sure to find the closing quote"
20140816 14:11:13< Ivanovic> it is a simple perl script, so nothing fancy doing a hardcore, multiline parsing
20140816 14:11:39< Ivanovic> as mentioned: ascii double quotes are evil!
20140816 14:11:40< Ivanovic> ;)
20140816 14:11:46< mattsc> Ah, and there’s an empty line before the end of the string, with “” before that …
20140816 14:11:49< mattsc> hehe
20140816 14:12:14< Ivanovic> hey, you try to use a limiter otherwise inside a string
20140816 14:12:23< Ivanovic> this just does not work without problems in some corner cases!
20140816 14:13:25< mattsc> okay - well, sorry for that, I just didn’t know these things.  So I’ll just throw the “” out in this case?
20140816 14:17:58< mattsc> Ivanovic: I just checked, there are two other string that also have “” inside but don’t seem to cause trouble.  Do I leave those or change them too?  Given the string freeze and that they work, I assume that I shouldn’t touch them?
20140816 14:22:05< Ivanovic> don't touch those that work
20140816 14:22:31< Ivanovic> and use some non ascii, utf8 quotes instead
20140816 14:23:18< mattsc> okay - I will figure out what that means  :)
20140816 14:23:34< mattsc> [I know what that means, but don’t know off the top of my head which ones those are]
20140816 14:24:00< Ivanovic> neither do I, otherwise i would have told you
20140816 14:24:01< Ivanovic> ;)
20140816 14:24:19< mattsc> Hehe
20140816 14:27:55< mattsc> zookeeper: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/f806b61e80a4f2e85473ca08df6274446781267a
20140816 14:28:07< mattsc> Interestingly, it’s only in 1.12, not in master
20140816 14:28:43< zookeeper> mattsc, huh, right. i guess he's no longer around to deal with it...
20140816 14:29:42< mattsc> No, actually, it does show in master, but I don’t see it here:
20140816 14:29:43< mattsc> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/f912cbb454fe1b1d535f5a76a712aeb1796389d6/src/menu_events.cpp#L504
20140816 14:33:43< mattsc> That’s because I’m an idiot (as usual) and that’s not master.  It is there:
20140816 14:33:45< mattsc> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/menu_events.cpp#L336
20140816 14:34:29< mattsc> On a different topic, zookeeper, I’ll try to get to those SotBE string sometime this weekend.  Will run them by you before changing anything.
20140816 14:34:41< mattsc> *strings
20140816 14:39:09< zookeeper> cool
20140816 14:39:27< zookeeper> somehow those eluded me for a few days here :|
20140816 14:43:03< zookeeper> and on a yet different topic, the choice of tooltip contents for the swarm special in reports.cpp is... not so great
20140816 14:43:44< zookeeper> (stumbled on those since i have a translator asking me what the strings are referring to)
20140816 14:44:33< zookeeper> "Max swarm bonus"? "Subject to swarm"? what
20140816 14:45:16< zookeeper> i know what those mean now, but there's IMO some really poor choices there when everything could pretty much be covered by just "Max strikes" and "Min strikes"
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20140816 17:06:57< mattsc> Ivanovic: is there an easy way for me to recreate the .po file(s) to see if my changes worked?
20140816 17:07:18< mattsc> I’m pretty sure they will (there’s really no reason to keep the quotes at all), but just to be sure…
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20140816 19:11:33< Ivanovic> mattsc: uhm, for mainline?
20140816 19:11:48< Ivanovic> i usually just run a pot-update which requires to first run cmake with extra commands
20140816 19:12:03< Ivanovic> there is probably a single command which could be used to update the .pot files, but i don't know it
20140816 19:12:11< Ivanovic> (the recipe handles that for me)
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20140816 19:53:04< zookeeper> what are the notifications that the "disable notifications" advanced preference disables?
20140816 19:53:21< zookeeper> what are the notifications that the "disable notifications" advanced preference disables?
20140816 19:53:30< zookeeper> what does "follow unit actions" do?
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20140816 19:54:04< zookeeper> what time units does "chat message aging" use?
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20140816 19:54:28< zookeeper> i mean how is it even possible that the time units are not mentioned
20140816 19:55:31< zookeeper> should the text at the bottom of the screen when hovering over an option show a proper description and not just repeat the name?
20140816 19:57:58< zookeeper> looks like it, since some of the [advanced_preference] tags have descriptions
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20140816 20:20:37< zookeeper> ok, the notifications preference is apparently for desktop notifications and it was added by silene. i'm not sure what a technically correct description for it would be.
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20140816 20:32:10< zookeeper> wesbot, seen jamit
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20140816 20:38:42< shadowm> The one that's in master, for example.
20140816 20:39:32< zookeeper> oh. cool.
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20140816 21:54:54< irker700> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 61099ca2639e / src/savegame.cpp: fix 1.13.0-dev comability http://git.io/nX6GOQ
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20140816 22:28:51< irker700> wesnoth: Nathan Walker wesnoth:master 30482f8ed9a3 / src/ (5 files): fix for sp campaign commandline handling http://git.io/1Rtjjg
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20140816 22:38:30< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth#4004 (master - 61099ca : gfgtdf): The build was broken.
20140816 22:38:30< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/32743220
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20140816 22:49:24< RiftWalker> gfgtdf: Looking at mp_options.cpp, it looks like [options] are read from [multiplayer], [era], and [modification]. I'm not very familiar with this code, though.
20140816 22:50:07< RiftWalker> gfgtdf: (so they can also be in [scenario] tags)
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20140816 23:03:45< RiftWalker> gfgtdf: check today's log. i dropped you a message a minute ago.
20140816 23:05:30< gfgtdf> RiftWalker: the currentl travis build segfaults, i think the reason is that the code you added in convert_old_saves_1_13_0 cannot handle replay savegames.
20140816 23:05:46< gfgtdf> RiftWalker: s/segfaults/failasserts
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20140816 23:08:13< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth#4005 (master - 30482f8 : Nathan Walker): The build was broken.
20140816 23:08:13< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/32744870
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20140816 23:09:12< gfgtdf> RiftWalker: yes that how it was prevously but i somehow thought (idk why) that we now want to add [option]s to sp campaigns too, so its the question whether we want to allow options in [campaign] or [scenario], i think we currently don't show the configure screen between 2 scenarios in a campaign so unless we want to change that i think it makes more sense to add them in campaign.
20140816 23:10:24< RiftWalker> gfgtdf: wouldn't that change the semantics somewhat, since the [option]s would presumably be carried over?
20140816 23:10:38< RiftWalker> or are they already carried over?
20140816 23:11:29< gfgtdf> RiftWalker: [option]s are stored as normal game variables, and game variables persist to teh next scenario of a campaign
20140816 23:11:42< gfgtdf> in [carryover_sides_start][variables]
20140816 23:12:42< RiftWalker> gfgtdf: Ah, i see. Well in that case, I don't see why we couldn't also scan [campaign] tag for [option]s.
20140816 23:15:26< RiftWalker> gfgtdf: are you sure my commit broke master? I'm taking a closer look now
20140816 23:16:27< gfgtdf> RiftWalker: well it was my comit that 'activated' your code, due to a bug convert_old_saves_1_13_0 was never calles previously
20140816 23:16:44< gfgtdf> RiftWalker: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/61099ca2639e428ec614a4c50c0cd1b8851440eb
20140816 23:18:44< irker700> wesnoth: Nathan Walker wesnoth:fix_savegame_assert 988a9024b3a4 / src/ (saved_game.cpp savegame.cpp): Revert "fix saves" http://git.io/e-pKyg
20140816 23:20:12< RiftWalker> gfgtdf: let's see what happens when we do this. https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/32747126
20140816 23:21:45< RiftWalker> gfgtdf: I just find it really strange. I tested that fix. It produced results. I'm 93% sure that method was being called.
20140816 23:22:20< gfgtdf> RiftWalker: you tested it with other saves from 1.13.0-dev ?
20140816 23:24:15< RiftWalker> I know I tested older saves. Pretty sure I tested sp saves from 1.12, 1.13 before my pr, and 1.13 after my pr.
20140816 23:26:41< RiftWalker> gfgtdf: I have to be off for now. To be continued..
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