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20140830 00:15:03< iceiceice> hi Rhonda, 
20140830 00:15:11< iceiceice> if you are around and you see this, do you know what happened to wesbot?
20140830 00:15:47< iceiceice> i tried to figure out who made him, my sleuthing suggests its you but of course i'm not sure
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20140830 00:16:19< iceiceice> based on the login message for this channel, i assume he's been awol since Aug 21 
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20140830 00:17:58< LovCAPONE> Q: I can not longer build Wesnoth with MSVC12. I get 2 "use of undefined type: 'ai::testing_ai_default::turn_State' errors. Also I can't build with Code::blocks (on windows also, 3 files are missing in the solution). Are the project files up to date?
20140830 00:18:47< iceiceice> LovCAPONE: is it related to this? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?22547
20140830 00:19:55< LovCAPONE> Wow ok didn't see this bug report. Yes this is it
20140830 00:22:56< iceiceice> yeah, i dont know what to tell you, hopefully the person who made the commits will see it soon or we will be able to contact them,
20140830 00:23:14< iceiceice> in the meantime i guess you could try to branch off from just before their commits and work there?
20140830 00:24:58< LovCAPONE> yeah I could, but what about code::blocks?? The project can't build also on it but it's not the same issue. Any word on it??
20140830 00:25:56< iceiceice> hmm so in the past when i have added files, i manually update the code::blocks and mscv
20140830 00:26:11< iceiceice> its just like, some xml like format so its not hard
20140830 00:26:27< iceiceice> if someone didnt do it you might have to update yourself or ask them to do it
20140830 00:26:48< gfgtdf> LovCAPONE: for the msvc issue you could try to just move the turn_State class which is sedined in the same headerfile before the strategy_formulation_with_rca in the hpp file. I actuialy dont know why its done in the opposite wa<y
20140830 00:27:45< gfgtdf> s/sedined/defined
20140830 00:29:06< LovCAPONE> ok thanks alot iceiceice and gfgtdf, I'll look into to this
20140830 00:49:38< gfgtdf> iceiceice: about the config class: an atribute can currently be 'not existent' 'blank' or "". Sspecialy cfg.has_attribute("a"), cfg["a"].blank(), cfg["a"].empty() are different functions do we have some rule which when soudl be used, especialy the first two ?
20140830 00:50:09< iceiceice> wait is blank different from nonexistant?
20140830 00:50:14< iceiceice> i thought that was the same thing
20140830 00:50:31< iceiceice> i have been confused about this before, i should check again...
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20140830 00:50:45< iceiceice> i thought that, empty() = blank() || ""
20140830 00:51:07< gfgtdf> iceiceice: yes empty() = blank() || "" is true
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20140830 00:54:04< gfgtdf> iceiceice: the text form only knows 'non-existent' and "" but the the cpp reperensentation also know a third state blank that happens when we use something like cfg["a"] == "b" on a nonconst config. I think this is confising but i don't know a solution.
20140830 00:55:34< iceiceice> i see
20140830 00:57:16< iceiceice> yeah i'm not sure if we can fix this issue you raise, at least i don't see how
20140830 00:57:29< iceiceice> since the config has to return something when you use cfg["a"] so that you can set it
20140830 00:58:04< iceiceice> i guess there's probably some fancy way to fix it using destructors but i dont know if its worth it
20140830 00:58:22< iceiceice> uhh
20140830 00:58:27< iceiceice> regarding the bug that you raise that i had caused,
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20140830 00:59:02< iceiceice> so with the unit filter refactor, what i wanted to do was, make unit filters search for units in the smart way when possible
20140830 00:59:24< iceiceice> usually if you just give some partial data, it needs to scan over the entire unit map
20140830 00:59:49< iceiceice> i wanted for it to be able to do things like, if you filter where you specify x and y,
20140830 00:59:56< iceiceice> it just searches for a unit by location
20140830 01:00:01< iceiceice> and short cuts the whole search
20140830 01:00:06< gfgtdf> iceiceice: but config operator <<(stream, config) looks like writing blank as "" wouldnt it be better to leave themout ?
20140830 01:00:38< iceiceice> gfgtdf: yeah thats a good idea
20140830 01:01:01< iceiceice> re: the filters, 
20140830 01:01:08< iceiceice>  i didnt program in very many shortcuts yet,
20140830 01:01:12< iceiceice> i think maybe one or two
20140830 01:01:20< iceiceice> in the case you are mentioning, where you have "id ="" "
20140830 01:01:28< iceiceice> it coudl just make the whole thing false as soon as it parses it
20140830 01:01:34< iceiceice> because nothing can match
20140830 01:02:39< iceiceice> it might be that not all the fields that use comma separated lists of possibilities work this way though, i would ahve to look at it agian
20140830 01:03:58< iceiceice> there's also sort of an easy fix if i dont make time for that thing
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20140830 01:16:01< gfgtdf> iceiceice: my pc just crashed, some bluescreen related to display driver ...
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20140830 01:17:10< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i dont know whether id="" is such a common case that we should optimize for that.
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20140830 01:22:11< iceiceice> yeah its just a thought
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20140830 01:22:39< iceiceice> i mean the thing is, when people are using nested filters and such it can rapidly get out of hand,
20140830 01:23:02< iceiceice> in cases like that i think having a short cut can help a lot
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20140830 01:23:31< iceiceice> but im not advocating to go nuts with this
20140830 01:24:07< iceiceice> the thing is, if it doesn't short cut the "id="" " case then it has to add some overhead to the "lazy_string_list" class
20140830 01:24:27< iceiceice> i think either fix is an equal amount of work probably
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20140830 01:25:05< gfgtdf_> iceiceice: but teh reported bahviourchanges doesn't only effect id i think
20140830 01:25:39< iceiceice> yeah it hink they are all because of this string list class i made
20140830 01:25:49< gfgtdf_> iceiceice: i actualy don't know whether a shortcut for one situation makes another situation slower.
20140830 01:26:14< iceiceice> gfgtdf: i think in this case its an unequivocal speedup
20140830 01:26:29< iceiceice> in the old implementation, it would always read every one of these fields to see if it is blank
20140830 01:26:37< iceiceice> on every filter application
20140830 01:26:58< iceiceice> the speedup i'm suggesting is basically,
20140830 01:27:11< iceiceice> if it is constructing a filter from a config,
20140830 01:27:15< iceiceice> it has to scan over all entries anyways,
20140830 01:27:19< iceiceice> if it notices that id = "",
20140830 01:27:27< iceiceice> ti should just stop and put a constant false function for the filter
20140830 01:27:39< iceiceice> and it will also know not to scan over all units
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20140830 01:33:18< gfgtdf_> iceiceice: hm do you know any scenario that uses id="" ?
20140830 01:33:18< iceiceice> i mean you used it you said?
20140830 01:33:18< iceiceice> didnt you report this bug or am i making that up
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20140830 01:33:54< gfgtdf_> iceiceice: hm i noticed this accidently, the actual bug in the scenario was a variable beeing empty. The example in the report was just devised.
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20140830 09:42:17< Rhonda> wesbot unfortunately was running on a system that had a harddisk error.
20140830 09:42:21< Rhonda> Have to move it.
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20140830 13:54:31< gfgtdf> does anyonw know what :manage from debug mode does ? According to help it is related to persistent data, but when i see it it only shows me a list of savefiles and i don't see additional functionality that teh usual loadgame dialog hasn
20140830 13:54:33< gfgtdf> 't
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