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20140926 09:00:11< pessoa> heal_unit is bugged. Is there a workaround?
20140926 09:02:23< zookeeper> well, giving the unit a healing object or doing direct hp manipulation, at least
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20140926 09:24:55< pessoa> zookeeper: is the direct manipulation done in plain wml, preprocessor macros, or lua? The bug appears when  the amount of healing is bigger than the difference between  maximal hitpoints and current hitpoints.
20140926 09:25:31< zookeeper> there's no difference between plain WML and preprocessor macros
20140926 09:25:51< zookeeper> anyway: any of them
20140926 09:26:08< zookeeper> i don't know what the bug is and what you're trying to do anyway, so can't give details.
20140926 09:30:10< pessoa> I encountered it when playing the addon "World Of Wesnoth", which uses lots of [heal_unit]. When the amount attribute is too large, hp get reset to some very low value, which makes some crucial healing skills suicidal.
20140926 09:31:12< pessoa> I googled a bit, and there was a bug report, saying this bug only occurs with the debian wheezy install of wesnoth.
20140926 09:37:52< pessoa> teh bug number is #20160
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20140926 09:39:33< zookeeper> well looks like it was fixed in 2012.
20140926 09:41:46< pessoa> debian is apparently lagging behind ...
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20140926 13:04:53< bodo_> Hey guys
20140926 13:06:10< bodo_> I'm on the fifth level of the first campaign. The map is called siege of elensefar. I have to kill the orc and goblin leader. While it is pretty hard to kill the orc leader I could manage that, but I have no idea how to hit the skelettons. Once it is night they just beat me up really bad.
20140926 13:08:00< zookeeper> well, there's plenty of threads about that scenario on the forums. here's a nice list of links, you ought to be able to find plenty of good ideas from there: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=40519
20140926 13:09:56< zookeeper> for most people it seems to be the first scenario which really forces them to properly micromanage unit placement and minimize incoming damage and all that
20140926 13:11:07< zookeeper> basically, keep your units on high defense terrain if possible, avoid attacking the skeletons with melee, and use impact/fire/arcane as much as possible
20140926 13:12:44< bodo_> Thanks for your help. Would you suggest to wait for them to come and stay a little defensive?
20140926 13:13:45< zookeeper> sure, i'd suggest waiting for the first wave of skeletons to come to you. i suppose there's a constant trickle of them so you'll have to attack pretty soon, though
20140926 13:14:31< bodo_> The problem seems to be that the undead lord takes all the villages so he earns more than donald trump while me people are dying in the night.
20140926 13:15:55< zookeeper> well, i'd usually send a few scouts or horsemen to capture villages on the east/west sides of the map, as soon as i've dealt with the orcs
20140926 13:16:33< bodo_> When you say "dealt" do you mean you kill the boss or just let them run onto your defenses?
20140926 13:17:14< zookeeper> after you've killed the boss, and hopefully gotten konrad into the city so you can recruit there (assuming you got gold left for that)
20140926 13:18:03< bodo_> Another thought: I think I've made a mistake by keeping konrad out of the way and not levling him. He's level 1. :(
20140926 13:19:13< zookeeper> i've always played the scenario by trying to get as many orcs as possible to come to me across the river and killing them quick (but without risking much of my units), and then trying to find an opening to rush over the bridge and take out the leader quickly (which will most likely cost you a few units at least)
20140926 13:19:41< zookeeper> well it'd be very useful to have him at lvl2 at that point, but it's not a deal-breaker
20140926 13:19:52< zookeeper> are you playing on the easiest difficulty?
20140926 13:20:10< bodo_> No. Medium unfortunately. ;)
20140926 13:20:28< bodo_> What to do with the thieves that come at round 4? Should I send them to the city?
20140926 13:20:33< zookeeper> ah, well... i guess it can be a bit tricky then, but certainly possible
20140926 13:21:55< zookeeper> i don't know, i've never felt that either option was clearly better. they can be a great distraction if you send them to the city, but if you have them show you the shortcut instead then that can be a good way to get some fast units across to their side.
20140926 13:22:16< zookeeper> of course, if you pick the first one then you're more likely to lose some of them
20140926 13:22:57< bodo_> It's really a tricky map but I enjoy that game even more than I enjoyed panzer general in the 90's. Thanks so far for your help, I'll try it again.
20140926 13:23:50< zookeeper> new players (and especially ones who play on medium) tend to stumble on the scenario a lot since i guess it requires a much more tactical approach than previous ones, but it's definitely possible
20140926 13:25:16< zookeeper> anyways, i gotta be going ->
20140926 13:25:24< bodo_> thanks again
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