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20141006 01:08:42< mattsc> Email to dev ML sent.  I’ll go get my flak vest now.
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20141006 01:27:01< shadowm> Cue the conspiracy theories.
20141006 01:28:08< mattsc> Oh, I’m already wearing my aluminum foil hat !
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20141006 02:21:45< irker705> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 77025e1326f2 / data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/utils/storytxt.cfg: 06b storytext: fixed double 'of' http://git.io/Y9kFEQ
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20141006 02:31:19< shadowm> vultraz: 1.12 backport?
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20141006 02:31:25< shadowm> With pofix, obviously.
20141006 02:31:40< vultraz> I don't know how to pofix
20141006 02:31:54< shadowm> You can learn.
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20141006 02:38:26< vultraz> I also don't have a clone
20141006 02:38:32< vultraz> I'm using the web interface
20141006 02:39:05< shadowm> No cookies for you then.
20141006 02:40:05< vultraz> You know I lost my clones in the first set of problems with my HDD, when I have to refresh the OS
20141006 02:41:21< vultraz> that was 6 months ago
20141006 02:41:25< vultraz> no, 8 
20141006 02:41:33< shadowm> No, I didn't know that.
20141006 02:41:45< shadowm> Why would I know and/or remember that? :p
20141006 02:42:53< vultraz> You seem to remember everything else
20141006 02:44:51< shadowm> Sorry, but that is plain wrong. It's a universally known fact that my memory is worse than crap.
20141006 02:45:43< shadowm> They literally tested the potential of using digestive waste product as a persistent storage medium and found it to be much more efficient than my brain under average conditions.
20141006 02:46:33< shadowm> That's why I need people to remind me of things like updating the wiki captcha questions.
20141006 02:47:11< vultraz> shadowm: update the wiki captcha questions
20141006 02:47:22< shadowm> I did so yesterday.
20141006 02:47:53< shadowm> They should be updated monthly at least and bi-monthly at most.
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20141006 03:46:13< mattsc> Wow, I didn’t know just how broken LoW S3 is …
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20141006 04:18:23< irker705> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 3d3e81036924 / data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/scenarios/23_Test_of_the_Clans.cfg: HTTTT S23: 'Who do we serve?' -> 'Whom do we serve?' http://git.io/ZF4NRg
20141006 04:18:37< vultraz> oops. One T too many
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20141006 04:27:47< vultraz> shadowm: please backport
20141006 04:28:08< shadowm> Nope, you must do it yourself.
20141006 04:36:02< vultraz> shadowm: I repeat - no clone
20141006 04:36:13< shadowm> You know for a fact I frequently end up doing your work, it's not nice.
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20141006 05:00:33< vultraz> it's called teamwork
20141006 05:01:56< shadowm> If only you had thought about it before committing. :(
20141006 05:15:12< shadowm> mattsc: You made me write an *email*. I hope you are happy. :(
20141006 05:15:37< shadowm> (jk, I had to exchange like a hundred emails with people this weekend.)
20141006 05:17:16< mattsc> shadowm: I made _myself_ write and email.  That’s much worse in my book.
20141006 05:17:23< mattsc> s/and/an
20141006 05:23:31< mattsc> shadowm: thanks for the comments (and sorry to hear that you were sick!).  Once I have heard from more people, I will produce a revised list based on everybody’s inputs.  And hopefully people will get going on bugfixes in the meantime already.  :)
20141006 05:25:23< mattsc> Btw, I think that the LoW bugs are pretty straight forward to fix and something I can handle myself - unless somebody else is looking for some WML patches …
20141006 05:27:15< shadowm> shikadibot: seen LovCAPONE 
20141006 05:27:15< shikadibot> shadowm: Queried user LovCAPONE is currently in this channel.
20141006 05:28:09< shadowm> vultraz: How much are you willing to pay for a pofix+backport amendment?
20141006 05:28:50< shadowm> (To clarify: it's dead easy, it's just tedious and error-prone.)
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20141006 05:39:24< shadowm> OK, the UtBS fix is problematic.
20141006 05:40:05< vultraz> why?
20141006 05:40:39< shadowm> The substring appears twice. I can't feed pofix the full string because it doesn't work with the po line wrapping.
20141006 05:41:41< shadowm> I believe just hand-fixing it should suffice, not sure how to deal with incoming files, though.
20141006 05:52:25< irker705> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master bcead5e70eb5 / po/wesnoth-utbs/ (58 files): Hand-fix UtBS po catalogues for typo correction http://git.io/WJjHAQ
20141006 05:52:28< irker705> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master a5340a2bc478 / / (59 files in 2 dirs): pofix: Add convertion for HttT S23 typo fix http://git.io/oS_2-w
20141006 05:52:31< irker705> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:1.12 629857f4486b / data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/utils/storytxt.cfg: 06b storytext: fixed double 'of' http://git.io/RPPWsA
20141006 05:52:34< irker705> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 0b045969e1eb / po/wesnoth-utbs/ (58 files): Hand-fix UtBS po catalogues for typo correction http://git.io/tzjEiQ
20141006 05:52:37< irker705> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:1.12 8d385fea00f7 / data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/scenarios/23_Test_of_the_Clans.cfg: HTTTT S23: 'Who do we serve?' -> 'Whom do we serve?' http://git.io/lBx-mA
20141006 05:52:40< irker705> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 0f2d68e208ff / / (59 files in 2 dirs): pofix: Add convertion for HttT S23 typo fix http://git.io/UXT9iQ
20141006 05:52:50< shadowm> vultraz: Done...
20141006 05:52:58< shadowm> Now give me chocolate.
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20141006 05:56:02 * vultraz gives shadowm belgian chocolate
20141006 05:57:18< shadowm> Yessssssss.
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20141006 06:08:13< Ivanovic> mattsc, shadowm: did loonycyborg not implement the unicode patch on a "windows binary only" basis already for the last dev release?
20141006 06:11:50< shadowm> I couldn't find anything on the ML to that effect, so no idea.
20141006 06:12:25< shadowm> And in that case, where is the patch and why isn't it in 1.12+master?
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20141006 06:33:17< loonycyborg> shadowm: I did include it in the release, but it wasn't mergeable into trunk at that time. I need to remember why exactly
20141006 06:33:25< loonycyborg> maybe due to pandora or something..
20141006 06:33:52< loonycyborg> master that is
20141006 06:34:11< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: that is
20141006 06:35:17< Ivanovic> and i think we said that we would continue with this "external patch" for the 1.12 branch and for master apply it directly dropping pandora support
20141006 06:35:50< Ivanovic> but i might be wrong about this, too
20141006 06:35:57< Ivanovic> i think it was mainly discussed in here
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20141006 06:39:11< loonycyborg> https://github.com/AI0867/wesnoth/tree/SDL_RWops_1.12
20141006 06:39:16< loonycyborg> that's the one I applied
20141006 06:39:45< loonycyborg> iirc it's not in mainline because we can't bump version requirement of SDL_Mixer
20141006 06:40:01< loonycyborg> not only due to pandora but also due to debian stable
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20141006 06:43:18< Ivanovic> off to work, CU
20141006 06:44:09< mantis_> Hi all
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20141006 06:45:45< mantis_> I'm new to the channel here, but I have been following Wesnoth for a while now.
20141006 06:46:24< mantis_> I want to fork the game system and work on a game based on it, but I don't know how to access the code for the servers for add-ons and main game hosting. Maybe someone here can point me in the right direction.
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20141006 13:38:14< mattsc> loonycyborg, Ivanovic: ah, I didn’t know that.  Was probably traveling at the time that was discussed here or something.
20141006 13:38:28< mattsc> But I am also confused now (even more confused than usual).
20141006 13:38:54< mattsc> I thought there was a quite recent forum post that this problem still exists.  Let me check…
20141006 13:39:46< mattsc> This one:  http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=41018
20141006 13:40:13< mattsc> Is this about something different and I am just revealing my ognorance (yet again)?
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20141006 13:43:46< loonycyborg> mattsc: It seems to be related to save games
20141006 13:43:59< loonycyborg> the fix that I applied was to loading music
20141006 13:44:22< loonycyborg> I thought there already was some interim solution for save games
20141006 13:44:50< loonycyborg> but iirc it's only for characters representable in current native charset or something maybe
20141006 13:46:19< mattsc> loonycyborg: okay, I really don’t know.  Somebody else will have to speak up here …
20141006 13:46:40< loonycyborg> AI0867 really knows about this stuff
20141006 13:46:52< mattsc> I’m just trying to figure out what needs to be done before we can get 1.12.0 out.
20141006 13:46:58< loonycyborg> but afaik he's kinda MIA lately
20141006 13:47:10< mattsc> Yes.  Unfortunately, he’s too busy for Wesnoth at the moment.
20141006 13:47:14< mattsc> Right.
20141006 13:48:10< loonycyborg> proper fix requires his boost.filesystem branch to be merged
20141006 13:48:38< loonycyborg> but we can't raise required boost version enough yet
20141006 13:52:11< vultraz> yet?
20141006 13:52:18< mattsc> so is there anything we can do for 1.12?
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20141006 14:08:53< mattsc> Oh, cool, gfgtdf actually fixed one of the LoW bugs for us already.  :)
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20141006 14:11:25< mattsc> For reference, this bug: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?22221
20141006 14:11:45< mattsc> is fixed by this PR: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/281
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20141006 15:00:20< mattsc> shadowm: I didn’t look into the scenario to see if it is the same cause, but this bug reported for IfTU might be fixed with that too: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=41039
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20141006 18:49:58< shadowm> loonycyborg: Which release?
20141006 18:50:25< loonycyborg> last stable one
20141006 18:50:44< shadowm> Why was I not told to include this in the announcement?
20141006 18:51:00< loonycyborg> hmm
20141006 18:51:14< loonycyborg> I thought that whatever person who told me to include it will handle it
20141006 18:51:39< shadowm> And regarding Debian stable: https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-dev/2014-04/msg00013.html
20141006 18:52:19< shadowm> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libsdl-mixer1.2
20141006 18:55:26< shadowm> oldstable would be a problem, but I don't know whether we can actually build Wesnoth on it atm.
20141006 18:59:01< shadowm> mattsc: If the solution is as we had previously discussed on IRC (see http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=576347#p576347), yes.
20141006 18:59:50< shadowm> Note that I silently pushed a possibly fixed version to the 1.12 server some days ago, so it's not worth trying to reproduce it with my campaign.
20141006 19:01:04< shadowm> loonycyborg: You probably should post this to the ML as well.
20141006 19:01:07< mattsc> shadowm: ok
20141006 19:02:18< loonycyborg> I think there were some posts about SDL_RWopts on ML
20141006 19:02:28< loonycyborg> by AI or some other guy
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20141006 19:02:43< irker597> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:1.12 23e28832c83d / data/themes/macros.cfg: remove replay viewer text label http://git.io/16-SgA
20141006 19:02:43< irker597> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:1.12 39baaec814dc / data/themes/macros.cfg: Merge pull request #286 from cbeck88/remove_replay_viewer_text_label_1.12 http://git.io/Dk2V8A
20141006 19:02:51< irker597> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master 9c6683e69e95 / data/themes/macros.cfg: remove replay viewer text label http://git.io/17e__w
20141006 19:02:53< irker597> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master bb116bc4adac / data/themes/macros.cfg: Merge pull request #287 from cbeck88/remove_replay_viewer_text_label http://git.io/GD5kkA
20141006 19:03:03< shadowm> That was back in May and we are currently discussing this stuff in October.
20141006 19:03:36< shadowm> It doesn't make any difference to me, but I don't want some outsider walking into the mailing list archive for this month and getting the wrong idea due to my email.
20141006 19:09:46< shadowm> !tag 1.10.0
20141006 19:09:47< shikadibot> shadowm: Tag 1.10.0, revision 4ce9f86b92c6 (Nils Kneuper) on Sun Jan 22 14:13:17 2012:
20141006 19:09:50< shikadibot> shadowm: fixed changelog structuring in some places
20141006 19:09:52< shikadibot> shadowm:  
20141006 19:09:55< shikadibot> shadowm: bumped version to 1.10.0
20141006 19:09:57< shikadibot> shadowm: Web interface URL: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/4ce9f86b92c6
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20141006 19:34:07< irker597> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:1.12 3410eec262b1 / changelog: update changelog http://git.io/eQp8lg
20141006 19:34:42< irker597> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master e20e7d7f87b0 / changelog: update changelog http://git.io/WhCVEA
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20141006 21:26:29< shadowm> GSoC 2015 confirmed: https://plus.google.com/102168248469649733567/posts/AZMZ6nDJ2sH
20141006 21:26:49< LovCAPONE> shadowm: mattsc told me you tried to contact here a couple of times??
20141006 21:26:59< shadowm> LovCAPONE: Yes, indeed.
20141006 21:27:36< shadowm> See http://www.wesnoth.org/irclogs/2014/10/%23wesnoth-dev.2014-10-04.log at 20141004 02:16:59.
20141006 21:28:49< shadowm> I also mentioned you in PR #288.
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20141006 21:35:38< LovCAPONE> shadowm, for PR #291 to the 1.12 branch, I don't think there will be a "index of out range" error in branch 1.12, since "current_track_list" is only indexed with the local "track" variable
20141006 21:36:43< LovCAPONE> shadowm, for PR 288 I was waiting for gfgtdf's inputs
20141006 21:36:53< LovCAPONE> shadowm, working on it right now
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20141006 21:37:49< shadowm> Okay, I had assigned #288 to him anyway since the subject matter is out of my scope.
20141006 21:38:49< LovCAPONE> shadowm, ok. And I will try to check IRC more often. Sorry for the delay
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20141006 21:45:20< shadowm> shikadibot: seen gfgtdf
20141006 21:45:21< shikadibot> shadowm: Sorry, I don't know of gfgtdf.
20141006 21:45:30< shadowm> shikadibot: seen gfgtdf_
20141006 21:45:30< shikadibot> shadowm: Sorry, I don't know of gfgtdf_.
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20141006 21:48:21< shadowm> LovCAPONE: As you probably know, IRC is our primary communication medium, so yes, it's quite important to check IRC often. :p
20141006 21:48:40< shadowm> That might not be entirely obvious because the last two months have seen a mysterious decrease in activity.
20141006 21:48:59< LovCAPONE> Ok I justed installed my client on my dev machine :)
20141006 21:50:24< mattsc> Hi LovCAPONE 
20141006 21:50:26< shadowm> LovCAPONE: So I'm currently taking a look at https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/262. Did you check what happens if the hardcoded limit is removed?
20141006 21:51:11< mattsc> LovCAPONE: concerning your PM, do you mean you fixed it in 1.11.16+dev, or are you referring to it being fixed in 1.13?
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20141006 21:54:32< LovCAPONE> shadowm, well there must be some kind of limit. The limit is the text window limit, we can set it to wich ever value we want
20141006 21:55:58< LovCAPONE> mattsc, I was refering to the bug being fixed in 1.13-dev
20141006 21:56:41< mattsc> LovCAPONE: okay, that’s what I thought.  It is currently actually more important that it is fixed in 1.11.16-dev than in master (1.13).
20141006 21:57:12< mattsc> The reason is that 1.11.x is soon supposed to turn into our next stable version (1.12.0), and that’s the one that really needs to be as free of bugs as possible.
20141006 21:57:51< LovCAPONE> Ok! So I'll get on it then
20141006 21:58:04< mattsc> Great.  thanks!
20141006 21:58:25< shadowm> LovCAPONE: As our resident UI design enthusiast here, I don't think there *has* to be a limit as long as we don't run into resource limits.
20141006 21:59:01< shadowm> That's separate from the fact that any text of that size becomes unreadable without a fully-featured editor with line numbers, search, etc.
20141006 22:00:25< shadowm> I'm just saw in your diff that the original code says "workaround for known bug" -- that comment has been there since the dialog was first introduced in 2009 and I'm going to check now what the non-descript "known bug" is.
20141006 22:00:32< shadowm> *I just
20141006 22:01:05< LovCAPONE> mattsc, up to that point I only worked on code on 1.13-dev. To work on 1.11.16-dev wich branch do I need to clone? On github I only see 1.12
20141006 22:01:55< mattsc> LovCAPONE: yes, the 1.12 branch is the correct one.
20141006 22:02:13< mattsc> It’s the branch that will turn into 1.12 eventually.  :)
20141006 22:02:37< shadowm> Releases 1.11.13 onwards are tagged from specific commits in the 1.12 branch.
20141006 22:02:42< LovCAPONE> shadowm, are you sure it safe to not put a limit?? It's your call but I would personnaly put one. Event if it's a huge number
20141006 22:03:15< LovCAPONE> even*
20141006 22:03:19< shadowm> > [1]    2240 segmentation fault  ./wesnoth -d
20141006 22:03:27< shadowm> Nope, not safe. :(
20141006 22:04:00< shadowm> So the "known bug" is a segmentation fault and hasn't ever been fixed, okay.
20141006 22:04:26< shadowm> It sucks that the dialog needs to take care of this kind of thing rather than the GUI2 library itself.
20141006 22:05:27< LovCAPONE> GUI2 is Mordante's responsability?
20141006 22:05:39< shadowm> Yes.
20141006 22:06:03< shadowm> It doesn't seem like he's been around these last two months.
20141006 22:06:29< LovCAPONE> the decreasing activities isn't due to summer?
20141006 22:07:26< shadowm> Hm, I don't know how summer breaks work in the northern hemisphere, but isn't it autumn now?
20141006 22:07:47< shadowm> Starting from September 22/23.
20141006 22:07:55< LovCAPONE> yeah hehehe sorry I worked all summer so I'm out of it
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20141006 22:12:18< shadowm> The segmentation fault results from a NULL canvas appearing somewhere down the pipeline. I guess something in GUI2 simply can't deal with large widgets (irrespective of their contents).
20141006 22:12:42 * shadowm abandons this tangent and goes back to the PR.
20141006 22:17:38< shadowm> The result works, although it's not exactly how I'd have done it.
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20141006 22:21:24< shadowm> LovCAPONE: In particular, I'm not convinced by the ambiguous situation I have here, with multiple [player] and [enemy] entries due to being actual WML arrays that fit in one page each, and the rest being long single WML containers (1-sized arrays) broken into pages: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21371130/screenshots/gui2-inspect-pr-262.png
20141006 22:22:22< shadowm> Though it could be argued that the ambiguity is present with or without PR #262, just not exacerbated by the extra numbers. I might be able to patch it later.
20141006 22:23:54< shadowm> As for how I'd have done it, I'd have made the right panel responsible for the paging instead of the left panel, kind of like the Chat Log dialog also has paging controls sitting above the text display for presumably similar reasons.
20141006 22:24:57< shadowm> It's just a stylistic choice, though, and situations where this feature is relevant should be rare, and it's all supposed to be part of a debugging tool (i.e. not normally user-facing) anyway.
20141006 22:27:39< LovCAPONE> Ok
20141006 22:28:05< LovCAPONE> Also I wanted to make as few changes to the original code as possible since it was one of my first pr
20141006 22:28:19< shadowm> Anyway, from a functional standpoint, it looks good to me.
20141006 22:29:44< shadowm> The code has a couple of style issues, however. First, we usually do not bother marking parameters passed by value as const (e.g. const unsigned int page in set_inspect_window_text()); same thing applies to pointers (as in foo* const, not foo const* or the equivalent const foo*).
20141006 22:30:36< shadowm> Second, I'm spotting two variable names in camelCase. Although we have a few historical exceptions like the CVideo class, we use all_lowercase_names_with_underscores_like_this.
20141006 22:31:42< shadowm> LovCAPONE: This is all for future reference, and I'd like to merge the patch with these minor issues amended if you don't mind.
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20141006 22:32:40< LovCAPONE> Ok perfect. Thanks for the coding style review. I really appriciate it
20141006 22:33:26< shadowm> Also, since you used a short-lived std::ostringstream for formatting, I thought I'd mention we have a dedicated formatter class for this end in src/formatter.hpp.
20141006 22:33:45< shadowm> People (including myself) usually forget it exists, though.
20141006 22:34:21< LovCAPONE> ok noted
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20141006 22:36:04< iceiceice> shadowm: i actually didn't know we had that either, hmmm...
20141006 22:36:22< shadowm> Hm, my recent foray into C++11 is making me see move constructor/assignment opportunities everywhere.
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20141006 22:39:12< shadowm> LovCAPONE: Oh, a final thing: when there's no specific reason to use the postfix increment operator, we use the prefix version.
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20141006 22:40:05< shadowm> In fact, every once in a while somebody runs a tool that warns against pointless instances of the postfix version and replaces them.
20141006 22:40:27< gfgtdf> shadowm: 20141006 21:45:20< shadowm> shikadibot: seen gfgtdf 
20141006 22:40:50< shadowm> Yes, hang on a minute.
20141006 22:42:34< shadowm> gfgtdf: Just reminding you that I assigned #288 to you for review, but it actually looks like you are on it already.
20141006 22:43:38< LovCAPONE> shadowm, ok (prefix operator), this I will have to get used to, I always use postfix most of the time. Ok noted.
20141006 22:44:21< gfgtdf> ok
20141006 22:45:17< shadowm> LovCAPONE: Oh, also, for changelog entries, you don't need to use the verbatim bug subject, those are often vague or bogus.
20141006 22:48:30< shadowm> Now that's all, I promise.
20141006 22:49:02< LovCAPONE> Ok so for the changelog, I put the bug # and a short submary of the fix?
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20141006 22:50:41< irker683> wesnoth: LovCAPONE wesnoth:master ddbdec3a610c / changelog src/gui/dialogs/gamestate_inspector.cpp: Modified the game state inspector for the bug #22337 http://git.io/MHSzvg
20141006 22:50:41< irker683> wesnoth: LovCAPONE wesnoth:1.12 5c8eb656ba6f / changelog src/gui/dialogs/gamestate_inspector.cpp: Modified the game state inspector for the bug #22337 http://git.io/bEb3Qg
20141006 22:51:06< shadowm> LovCAPONE: Anything that you feel describes the change best in a short and concise fashion, along with the bug number.
20141006 22:51:13< shadowm> So basically yes.
20141006 22:53:13< LovCAPONE> Ok all noted
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20141006 22:55:37< shadowm> LovCAPONE: Mind a private query right now?
20141006 22:57:06< LovCAPONE> ok let's go
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20141006 23:22:28< shadowm> LovCAPONE: Congratulations! You are a member of the development team now.
20141006 23:22:47< shadowm> Also, there's a PM sitting in your forum inbox for you to read later.
20141006 23:25:58< shadowm> gfgtdf, LovCAPONE: Incidentally, what's the status of PR #278? <https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/278>
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20141006 23:31:29< LovCAPONE> shadowm, ask gfgtdf, I was waiting for his input on this
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20141006 23:53:45< shadowm> 19:02:35 <shadowm> Releases 1.11.13 onwards are tagged from specific commits in the 1.12 branch.
20141006 23:53:51< shadowm> I mean 1.11.12 onwards.
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