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20141010 00:10:52< shadowm> Sigh. This is suddenly more frustrating than I expected.
20141010 00:11:19< shadowm> But that might be a good thing too because it may suggest the existence of a workaround.
20141010 00:12:15< gfgtdf> LovCAPONE: (all 1.12-only info) 
20141010 00:12:17< gfgtdf> when we advance to linger mode 2 things happen:
20141010 00:12:18< gfgtdf> A1)  all on-map units are added to the recall list
20141010 00:12:20< gfgtdf> A2)  all units on the  recall list are stored in carryover
20141010 00:12:21< gfgtdf> this (A1) results in units now beeing in the recall list and on the map!
20141010 00:12:23< gfgtdf> if we save the game now some untis (the ones that were on the map) appear twice in the savefile.
20141010 00:12:24< gfgtdf> when we now load the game this happens:
20141010 00:12:26< gfgtdf> B1) the loadgame mechanism ignores ingores the units on thy recalllist if they are already on the map. This is good
20141010 00:12:27< gfgtdf> B2) all units on the recall list are stored in carryover (this means units that are only on teh map are NOT saved here) (same as (A2))
20141010 00:12:29< gfgtdf> If that is correct i see multiple possbile fixes:
20141010 00:12:30< gfgtdf> 1) remove (A1) and change (A2), (B2) to also save units on the map (this somehow is how it works on 1.13)
20141010 00:12:32< gfgtdf> 2) add a step like (A1) between (B1) and (B2)
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20141010 00:25:37< LovCAPONE> gfgtdf: can't we add a check to see if a unit appreas twice in the recall list? wich would be a step after A2
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20141010 00:26:37< gfgtdf>  LovCAPONE: A2 stores teh recall list corectly but they are wrongly overwritten in B2 when relaogn from linger mode
20141010 00:27:46< gfgtdf> LovCAPONE: also units are never twice on the recallist its just that units teh are on teh map are now also on the recalllist so they appear twice (once on teh recalllist and once on teh map)
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20141010 00:33:15< LovCAPONE> ok so fix 2 would be good, if I undrstand correftly
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20141010 00:35:24< gfgtdf> LovCAPONE: i think that weould be more or less copying https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/1.12/src/playsingle_controller.cpp#L551 to line 570 of the same file
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20141010 00:40:20< LovCAPONE> gfgtdf: yes exactly
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20141010 00:40:40< LovCAPONE> gfgtdf: this should fix it
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20141010 00:42:19< gfgtdf> LovCAPONE: did you try?
20141010 00:42:44< LovCAPONE> no give my a couple minutes... I'm eating atm and I'm going to test it
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20141010 00:45:10< gfgtdf> LovCAPONE: about pr278 did you see my last message about 65a07832e46edc9c6a0f2b522bf08e42ee9a4873 ?
20141010 00:45:15< gfgtdf> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/65a07832e46edc9c6a0f2b522bf08e42ee9a4873
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20141010 00:53:57< LovCAPONE> gfgtdf: yes about the utf16 to utf8 conversion functions?
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20141010 00:54:41< gfgtdf> LovCAPONE: no about https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/deb5b944e8b4b9dbe01be1c5d324e7a17f699aa3
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20141010 00:58:18< LovCAPONE> gfgtdf: the default login on windows. Yeah I saw it, for PR 278 we would always return the player's name then? And ditch the code that returns the leader's name (or generic string)?
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20141010 01:01:37< gfgtdf> LovCAPONE: that current_player_ default to "player" was observerd on singleplayer and in multiplayer or only in multiplayer ?
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20141010 01:02:35< LovCAPONE> gfgtdf: I have a question about building the game. It's my first time workin on branch 1.12.0... Now I checked-it out locally. When buidling it I get a bunch of error about missing files and such. Do you know if there is a quick way (with Visual Studio) to build it?
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20141010 01:03:48< LovCAPONE> gfgtdf: botsingleplayer and multipayer
20141010 01:03:57< LovCAPONE> both*
20141010 01:04:19< gfgtdf> LovCAPONE: if try to recreate teh visualstudio project from with the  projectfiles/VC9 files or from cmake/sconscript
20141010 01:04:43< gfgtdf> LovCAPONE: which version of vc do you use ?
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20141010 01:05:04< LovCAPONE> gfgtdf: vc12 (VS2013)
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20141010 01:05:29< gfgtdf> LovCAPONE: do you use teh vc9 files or cmake ?
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20141010 01:05:46< gfgtdf> or scons
20141010 01:06:03< gfgtdf> what does "	Mode #wesnoth-dev +o shadowm by ChanServ"  mean =
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20141010 01:06:05< gfgtdf> #?
20141010 01:06:57< LovCAPONE> gfgtdf: vc9 files, but I built the project with branch 1.13 since then so it must've messed the solution files
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20141010 01:08:02< gfgtdf> but teh vc9 files are trackes by guit so tehy shoudl be changed by chanign teh branch
20141010 01:08:06< gfgtdf> tracked*
20141010 01:09:23< LovCAPONE> gfgtdf: no because I've folowed the instructions on the wiki wich says to make a copy of the original VC9 direction to "your" VC version. So it's not tracked anymore... So I'll just make a new copy on the current VC9... Yeah that's it right?
20141010 01:09:38< LovCAPONE> copy of*
20141010 01:09:46< gfgtdf> LovCAPONE: ye tahts what i meant
20141010 01:10:22< LovCAPONE> gfgtdf: ok thanks got it
20141010 01:10:55< shadowm> Some day I'll go back and figure out how I made my current shared repository configuration on Windows work so people don't need to waste disk space with two clones.
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20141010 01:12:29< shadowm> That's even further down my list than the "complete the GUI design guidelines document" task, though.
20141010 01:12:48< gfgtdf> shadowm: this is not 2 whole clones its just having 2 projectfiles
20141010 01:13:54< shadowm> Yeah, but isn't it still a bother to switch between two divergent branches every time?
20141010 01:14:32< shadowm> Lots of files that need to be updated or even directories that must be replaced, etc.
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20141010 01:15:16< shadowm> Plus it makes it inconvenient to keep binaries for both branches around since they both depend on different data tree versions.
20141010 01:16:12< gfgtdf> shadowm: hmm yes the later is sometimes a problem.
20141010 01:17:00< gfgtdf> shadowm: but doen you have that problem with teh normal way too ? i eman whan you have buidl a ^1.13 versiona dn the chakcout teh 1.12 branch teh complied 1.13 won't work
20141010 01:17:40< shadowm> That's what I said.
20141010 01:17:58< gfgtdf> shadowm: but don't you have that problem with the normal way too ? i mean when you have build a 1.13 version and then checkout the 1.12 branch the complied exe 1.13 won't work
20141010 01:18:49< gfgtdf> shadowm: and how you don't have that probem ?
20141010 01:19:05< shadowm> On Linux I can easily have a single repository with separate checkouts on different dirs, allowing me to go overboard like this: http://pastebin.com/3mWWSi40 (/home/shadowm/src/wesnoth/ is the real repository)
20141010 01:19:39< shadowm> On Windows I had to do some fiddling around first to convince Windows that I'm not some kind of script kiddie wanting to hijack my own machine with symlinks.
20141010 01:19:57< gfgtdf> shadowm: but then you need more diskspace ?
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20141010 01:20:18< shadowm> Well yeah, but only for the working trees.
20141010 01:20:47< shadowm> One .git repository, multiple working trees, it's still less space than having multiple working trees paired with their own repo.
20141010 01:22:10< gfgtdf> shadowm: so on windows you have 2 working trees ?
20141010 01:22:24< shadowm> Yes.
20141010 01:22:52< gfgtdf> shadowm: and each of them has a copy of the git history ?
20141010 01:23:01< shadowm> No, they share a single repository.
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20141010 01:38:37< shadowm> Oh huh.
20141010 01:39:09< shadowm> I've got a font size-dependant bug.
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20141010 02:05:26< shadowm> I'm having trouble trying to get SDL to die for my test case.
20141010 02:05:50< shadowm> It seems SDL_ttf's caching is just too good.
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20141010 02:08:47< LovCAPONE> shadowm: I want to make my first push to branch 1.12. I saw on the wiki that it mentioned SSH transer. Do I need to set it up like it says?
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20141010 02:11:09< shadowm> LovCAPONE: https is fine, it's just that ssh is often more convenient for people because they don't need to type their github account password each time, typing their (optional) ssh key passphrase instead.
20141010 02:13:18< LovCAPONE> shadowm: ok thanks
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20141010 04:03:00< irker023> wesnoth: LovCAPONE wesnoth:1.12 814451439347 / changelog src/playsingle_controller.cpp: Fix bug wherein game saved in linger mode results in recall list being lost. http://git.io/atFWfw
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20141010 04:56:58< shadowm> Ivanovic: What do you think of updating DejaVu Sans font to version 2.34? <http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/Changelog#Changes_from_2.33_to_2.34>
20141010 04:57:07< shadowm> *our bundled copy of, goddammit
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20141010 05:48:34< Ivanovic> shadowm: sounds like a good idea
20141010 05:48:39< Ivanovic> but i have never done this myself
20141010 05:48:47< Ivanovic> so no idea what needs to be done for this
20141010 05:50:14< shadowm> From torangan's last commit involving it, it looks like he updated the codepoints table for DejaVu Sans in data/hardwired/fonts.cfg.
20141010 05:50:39< shadowm> Espreon's last commit didn't touch the table although DejaVu's changelog for that version does mention updated/added codepoints.
20141010 05:51:25< shadowm> Looks like there are a few scripts in utils/ related to generating the updated table.
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20141010 08:09:24< vultraz> should I remove http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ImageLocalization#Maps as there's a separate page for localizing maps now?
20141010 08:13:18< vultraz> (I also just fixed the image/file links on that page, as they were still pointing to wesnoth-old, and in one case, the svn repo)
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20141010 09:12:09< irker040> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas website:master 983d187adc03 / start/1.12/template.html: Updates to changes to multiplayer campaigns and screens. http://git.io/EmVfiA
20141010 09:13:03< thunderstruck> coffee: I added you to the TODO list in the commit above in case you have something to add there.
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20141010 10:43:26< bumbadadabum> zookeeper, vultraz: Going to look at the EI map today
20141010 10:43:33< bumbadadabum> got done with all my assignments
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20141010 13:37:26< mattsc> Who is the Spanish translation maintainer?  The crdits page lists lots of people, but doesn’t say who the maintainer is.
20141010 13:40:34< vultraz> Not sure... Ivanovic or shadowm would probably know
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20141010 13:47:10< stikonas> mattsc: check here http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SpanishTranslation 
20141010 13:47:54< stikonas> looks like there is no maintainer...
20141010 13:48:19< mattsc> yeah, looks like it.  Thanks, stikonas.
20141010 13:48:39< mattsc> and Espreon’s not around at the moment either ...
20141010 13:49:15< stikonas> And spanish translation wasn't updated since 1.11.0
20141010 13:49:25< stikonas> I guess nobody is active
20141010 13:49:28< stikonas> just take over...
20141010 13:49:32< stikonas> if you want to fix anyhing
20141010 13:54:04< mattsc> stikonas: there were actually several pull requests with spanish translations submitted a couple months ago.
20141010 13:54:17< mattsc> I’m just trying to figure out what to tell the author.
20141010 13:55:24< mattsc> We discussed yesterday that translations should not be submitted by PRs.
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20141010 14:24:25< fabi_> hello
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20141010 14:40:38< mattsc> hi fabi_ 
20141010 14:50:50< fabi_> hi mattsc
20141010 14:51:10< fabi_> mattsc: Do you know where wesbot went?
20141010 14:51:34< mattsc> wesbot died in a fiery explosion …
20141010 14:52:02< fabi_> I always thought he would be the one he turns the lights off after everyone else left.
20141010 14:52:15< mattsc> well, I don’t know about the explosion part, but the hardware running wesbot is dead for the time being, afaik
20141010 14:52:32< mattsc> you can use shikadibot for some of what wesbot used to do
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20141010 15:06:20< Ravana_> what features are missing? I have been running&writing this(me) bot for last 15 months so I might be able to add something
20141010 15:08:00< fabi_> Ravana_: ? 
20141010 15:08:32< fabi_> Ravana_: You are a self writing bot?
20141010 15:09:15< Ravana_> no, currently I just control it from other computer like http://puu.sh/c6ROg/a1ffaec26d.png
20141010 15:10:33< fabi_> uh
20141010 15:10:36< fabi_> scarry
20141010 15:12:18< mattsc> Ravana_: I don’t know; talk to shadowm when he gets back, he might know
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20141010 16:24:43< irker456> wesnoth: Evgeny Kapun wesnoth:master 93c877e62323 / / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed missing message in 'The Siege of Elensefar' http://git.io/ay8hVQ
20141010 16:24:43< irker456> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 1460d2b3d4d7 / / (3 files in 3 dirs): Merge pull request #295 from abacabadabacaba/master http://git.io/VhtF2w
20141010 16:25:14< vultraz> no strings changed, FYI
20141010 16:27:05< mattsc> it’s for master anyway; should it be backported to 1.12?
20141010 16:27:55< vultraz> I don't know how
20141010 16:28:04< vultraz> Not am i sitting on a clone right now
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20141010 16:28:35< mattsc> okay - if you let me know *if* it should be backported, I can do it later
20141010 16:29:55< vultraz> Probably. Just changes a role= to a speaker=
20141010 16:44:14< mattsc> What I mean is: does the bug also exist and need fixing in 1.12?
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20141010 16:49:26< irker456> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 3444ae256b8a / src/tod_manager.cpp: add const http://git.io/DDPYrg
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20141010 17:10:18< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#4159 (master - 1460d2b : Charles Dang): The build is still failing.
20141010 17:10:18< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/37617866
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20141010 17:12:08< vultraz> mattsc: yes
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20141010 17:40:46< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#4160 (master - 3444ae2 : gfgtdf): The build was fixed.
20141010 17:40:46< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/37619914
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20141010 18:06:41< irker456> wesnoth: Evgeny Kapun wesnoth:1.12 6e38c0d008fe / / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix missing message in 'The Siege of Elensefar' http://git.io/7c892w
20141010 18:07:36< mattsc> vultraz: ^
20141010 18:07:48< vultraz> thanks :)
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20141010 18:22:17< iceiceice> Ravana_: by far the most important feature was the "seen" module
20141010 18:22:21< iceiceice> but shikadibot is running that now
20141010 18:22:56< iceiceice> there was also a feature where you could type "wesbot: bug #xxxxx" and wesbot would chat to the entire channel the details and description of that bug report
20141010 18:23:39< Ravana_> I have dealt with POST and GET requests with this bot so far
20141010 18:26:22< iceiceice> yeah so idk if rhonda will resurrect wesbot,
20141010 18:26:38< iceiceice> maybe we can get the source code for it though?
20141010 18:26:41< iceiceice> that might save some time
20141010 18:26:47< Rhonda> Oh damn.
20141010 18:26:56< Ravana_> unlikely, that depends on language
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20141010 18:27:20< Rhonda> Maybe I can help shadowm to hack that into shikadibot instead.
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20141010 18:28:08< Ravana_> so it would return bug title and what else?
20141010 18:28:38< iceiceice> i dont remember exactly...
20141010 18:28:59< Ravana_> what it should return not what it did return
20141010 18:29:13< Ravana_> which info is useful
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20141010 18:29:33< iceiceice> ok, i grepped my local copy of irc logs, heres an example
20141010 18:29:34< iceiceice> http://hastebin.com/ijizotific.xml
20141010 18:31:05< Rhonda> bug, tasks, patches and features it could grab
20141010 18:31:24< Rhonda> I'm currently sitting on the airport on my way to Berlin.  But I'm willing to hand you the code.
20141010 18:31:31< Rhonda> It's in perl.
20141010 18:31:49< Ravana_> no need
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20141010 18:32:13< Ravana_> I have one piece with get request already in mirc
20141010 18:32:31< Rhonda> The parsing was tricky.
20141010 18:32:32< iceiceice> Rhonda: do you think its a good idea to commit the bot to the repo in the tools directory or something?
20141010 18:32:36< iceiceice> it might be helpful for someone
20141010 18:32:45< Rhonda> iceiceice: I have nothing against it.
20141010 18:32:59< iceiceice> ok, if you send me the code i will commit it
20141010 18:34:20< Rhonda> I need to board now.
20141010 18:34:49< iceiceice> hmm
20141010 18:35:01< iceiceice> i think i messed up,
20141010 18:35:21< iceiceice> it launched an "accept" dialog and also a "where do you want to save dialog" and i think i handled them in the wrong order maybe...
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20141010 19:00:13< irker456> wesnoth: Charles Dang website:Vultraz_template_revisions 5c5a9924481b / start/1.12/ (images/dl.png images/header.png images/title.png template.html): Revamped look of the 1.12 announcement template http://git.io/H3dmaw
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20141010 19:01:28< vultraz> ^ If anyone's curious, that's my work on an alternate template style for the 1.12 announcement, plus a few small text changes
20141010 19:01:50< vultraz> also, shadowm ^
20141010 19:03:01< vultraz> Critique welcome, if we decide to use the old style, alright. Note it's also a WIP pending feedback from shadowm et al
20141010 19:03:16< vultraz> And now that I spent the all night doing that, time for some sleep
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20141010 19:23:07< Crendgrim> vultraz: did you change anything besides moving some images to the right?
20141010 19:23:44< Crendgrim> To be honest, I don't like that the subsection headers are on the left, with the text suddenly on the right because an image is in the way.
20141010 19:24:15< Crendgrim> That could be mitigated by centering the headers, but that would clash with the layout of the whole wesnoth.org page.
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20141010 19:27:32< c74d> iceiceice: why put an IRC bot implementation in the main Battle for Wesnoth Git repository, rather than in a separate repository?
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20141010 19:31:07< c74d> vultraz: Why the hyphen in “Wesnoth-1.12”?
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20141010 19:34:34< c74d> Also, why is the image-based download button included if you’re not using it but rather the CSS-based one?
20141010 19:35:40< c74d> Speaking of the CSS-based one… it, uh, looks exactly like the ones in many software-download Web advertisements. Which may not be such a positive association.
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20141010 19:55:03< iceiceice> c74d: idk i mean you could say this for everything in the tools directory
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20141010 19:57:45< iceiceice> maybe there should be a wml-tools repo
20141010 19:58:12< iceiceice> idk i think its fine the way it is, to have some tools and associated programs in the main repo
20141010 20:01:05< iceiceice> do the other repos listed under github.com/wesnoth have their own permissions regime or is it all one thing?
20141010 20:01:16< iceiceice> it would be kind of a pain to have to orchestrate permissions for each of them separately
20141010 20:01:27< iceiceice> e.g. do i have push access for wesnoth/website/
20141010 20:01:28< iceiceice> ?
20141010 20:10:08< gfgtdf> iceiceice: the edit button on teh website is not greyed out so i guess i have acces, and so i think you too 
20141010 20:10:14< c74d> Is an IRC bot really that associated? It’s not something that’s intended for processing the other assets in wesnoth/wesnoth, which I think most of those tools are.
20141010 20:10:46< c74d> gfgtdf: Not necessarily. Anyone can use the Edit button; it will just fork the repository.
20141010 20:12:16< vultraz> c74d: hm, you're right. Hadn't considered that
20141010 20:12:40< gfgtdf> c74d: ok i didnt know this. i
20141010 20:12:42< vultraz> c74d: I included the image-based button for consideration
20141010 20:12:46< gfgtdf> ll try it
20141010 20:13:02< vultraz>     <!-- Pick one button style -->
20141010 20:13:03< vultraz>     <a class="dlbutton" href='http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Download'>Download 1.12</a>
20141010 20:13:05< vultraz>     <!--	<a href='http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Download'><img alt='Download button' src='images/dl.png'/></a>-->
20141010 20:13:05< c74d> iceiceice: you don’t necessarily need push access to wesnoth/* repositories; you could have the bot implementation in a repository of your own, which the `wesnoth` organization could then fork if they need to.
20141010 20:13:09< vultraz> Just switch the comments
20141010 20:14:18< gfgtdf> c74d: ok i tried it but then it telle me exiplicitly that it does that which didnt happen for teh website
20141010 20:14:32< c74d> gfgtdf: ah, okay.
20141010 20:14:42< vultraz> Crendgrim: yes, I changed the intro, changed the banner, added the wesnoth text-style title, removed the ToC, and tweaked the text a little
20141010 20:15:18< Crendgrim> vultraz: the banner doesn't fit with the rest of the page
20141010 20:15:33< vultraz> If you mean it clashes with the stone pattern, I am aware
20141010 20:15:46< Crendgrim> Yes. And the rest of wesnoth.org doesn't have it.
20141010 20:15:53< Crendgrim> It's looking nice, but out of place.
20141010 20:16:03 * c74d is still trying to find one of those advertisements with the Download buttons…
20141010 20:16:17< vultraz> c74d: I know exactly what you mean, no need. I've seen my share
20141010 20:16:29< vultraz> c74d: do you recommend the image-based button. then?
20141010 20:16:31< c74d> ’k
20141010 20:17:13< iceiceice> c74d: since wesbot is not really being actively developed, my goal here is not to reopen that, rather i just want to make it easy for someone to find the source if they want to make a bot
20141010 20:17:14< c74d> Hm… well, it doesn’t look like a Web advertisement for some untrustworthy software.
20141010 20:17:30< vultraz> Crendgrim: I'm considering a replacement for the stonework on that page. It might conceivably be extended to the rest of the site at a later date 
20141010 20:17:32< iceiceice> i think most people know they can look in the utils/ and data/tools/ folder for "stuff like that"
20141010 20:17:47< iceiceice> but a wesnoth/ repo is also a pretty good option
20141010 20:18:25< c74d> Having the text in an image is bad practice, but not especially bad if you put the same text in the <img> element’s `alt` attribute.
20141010 20:19:19< irker456> wesnoth: Chris Beck website:master 25f6de8b514d / start/1.12/template.html: expand upon "audible bell" remark http://git.io/2lyu2w
20141010 20:19:45< c74d> The CSS-based button also reminded me of the status labels on <http://status.wesnoth.org>.
20141010 20:20:02< vultraz> c74d: that's exactly where I got the inspiration
20141010 20:20:13< vultraz> it;s even the same color
20141010 20:21:28< c74d> The text in the image looks like its kerning is off; if that’s the typeface from the in-game logo, I believe that gets manually kerned.
20141010 20:21:45< vultraz> It is
20141010 20:21:50< vultraz> The font, that is
20141010 20:21:54< vultraz> I didn't manually kern it
20141010 20:22:14< vultraz> difficult in such a small area, but i can try
20141010 20:23:28< vultraz> I think I'll switch the image-based button to primary, though, since your concern about the design of the CSS button is valid
20141010 20:24:22< vultraz> And I'll try to do some manual kerning since I can't sleep...
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20141010 20:32:09< irker456> wesnoth: Charles Dang website:Vultraz_template_revisions 8a2417821733 / start/1.12/template.html: Switched to image-based download button http://git.io/U6pdHw
20141010 20:32:11< irker456> wesnoth: Charles Dang website:Vultraz_template_revisions 809e0e25e2fa / start/1.12/images/dl.png: Applied manual kerning to download button image text http://git.io/_k2JXg
20141010 20:32:16< shadowm> mattsc: I don't know who the Spanish translation is anymore. It used to be Espreon.
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20141010 20:37:19< shadowm> Who the Spanish translation maintainer is.
20141010 20:40:05< vultraz> I really need to lrn2git better
20141010 20:41:56< irker456> wesnoth: Chris Beck website:Vultraz_template_revisions 25f6de8b514d / start/1.12/template.html: expand upon "audible bell" remark http://git.io/2lyu2w
20141010 20:41:58< irker456> wesnoth: Charles Dang website:Vultraz_template_revisions 1f1a6939c692 / start/1.12/ (images/dl.png images/header.png images/title.png template.html): Revamped look of the 1.12 announcement template http://git.io/k1fVtw
20141010 20:42:00< irker456> wesnoth: Charles Dang website:Vultraz_template_revisions 5e767e37fdbb / start/1.12/template.html: Switched to image-based download button http://git.io/8ZY7VQ
20141010 20:42:02< irker456> wesnoth: Charles Dang website:Vultraz_template_revisions 7ba4d0c6a98d / start/1.12/images/dl.png: Applied manual kerning to download button image text http://git.io/wzeUuw
20141010 20:42:04< irker456> wesnoth: Charles Dang website:Vultraz_template_revisions 79850eef82b1 / start/1.12/template.html: Merge branch 'Vultraz_template_revisions' of github.com:wesnoth/website into Vul http://git.io/fdw02Q
20141010 20:43:11< gfgtdf> are we going to release 1.13.0 when 1.12.0 comes out or later ?
20141010 20:43:54< irker456> wesnoth: Charles Dang website:Vultraz_template_revisions 92e70995ad9a / start/1.12/template.html: Re-added accidentally deleted div closing tag http://git.io/iGfQ3Q
20141010 20:47:00< shadowm> Later, gfgtdf.
20141010 20:47:33< shadowm> 1.10.0 was tagged on Sun Jan 22 14:57:43 2012 +0000, 1.13.0 on Sat Aug 25 11:00:39 2012 +0000.
20141010 20:50:12< shadowm> vultraz: I understand the idea behind the different body text sizes, but it doesn't look good with our font and style.
20141010 20:51:02< shadowm> Also, in web design there's nothing I hate more than bitmap text like title.png there.
20141010 20:51:33< shadowm> There is no way a screen reader can look at that and tell "oh, this is the page title".
20141010 20:53:20< shadowm> There are specifications meant to deal with these problems such as WAI-ARIA, which you might want to research later.
20141010 20:53:45< shadowm> At the very least, set alt text for the <img> (although that doesn't resolve the semantic issue).
20141010 20:54:22< shadowm> "Wesnoth-1.12" should be "Wesnoth 1.12".
20141010 20:54:47< shadowm> Not even "Release", that doesn't really make the announcement title look better.
20141010 20:54:50< gfgtdf> shadowm: you mean 1.11.0 was tagged ?
20141010 20:55:03< shadowm> gfgtdf: Yes.
20141010 20:55:35< shadowm> The title font looks *wrong* somehow.
20141010 20:55:58< shadowm> Like the Spanish translation title logo before I took it upon me to make a better one.
20141010 20:56:39< shadowm> The letters look like they've been squashed vertically, and they are too far apart to be comfortably readable.
20141010 20:57:25< shadowm> The navbar idea looks... unconvincing. The faded edges bother me.
20141010 20:57:50< shadowm> There is something about the logo and background composition that seems unbalanced as well.
20141010 20:58:08< shadowm> I don't know why you felt it necessary to have a download "button" when this isn't the front page.
20141010 20:59:09< shadowm> It's a very static button with a font that clashes against everything else in the page in a non-harmonious way.
20141010 20:59:30< shadowm> Best just take the button background and let the browser deal with it
20141010 21:00:13< shadowm> (Hint: We use DejaVu Sans to render button labels in-game (even for the big End Turn button) and it's just a generic Sans Serif font. Why not use the default Glamdrol selection here as well?)
20141010 21:00:54< shadowm> I like the idea of alternating thumbnail positions for every section.
20141010 21:01:18< irker456> wesnoth: Chris Beck website:master a30d7888e8a6 / README.md: Create README.md http://git.io/qHdxfQ
20141010 21:01:22< shadowm> It's something I had considered doing and then abandoned solely because historical practice in previous announcements is to not do it, so I didn't bother checking how it'd look.
20141010 21:01:48 * shadowm in-gores iceiceice's readme.
20141010 21:02:21< shadowm> vultraz: That's all I have to say about the visuals.
20141010 21:02:49< shadowm> If you changed content, then you might want to point me to the changes.
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20141010 21:14:17< Laela> I wrote basic support for checking bugs
20141010 21:14:18< Laela> <bug 21903
20141010 21:14:19< Ravana_> Bug https://gna.org/bugs/?21903
20141010 21:14:20< Ravana_> Summary: Scenario transitions in networked MP don't work unless host transitions first / Priority: 5 - Normal / Status: Ready For Test / Assigned to: Andrius Silinskas <thunderstruck>
20141010 21:14:20< Ravana_> Original submission: When a scenario ends and goes to linger mode before transitioning to the next scenario, players may linger as long as they like until they end turn and move to the next scenario. It turns out that there is a sort of race condition here -- if the host transitions first it is fine, but otherwise it isn't. 
20141010 21:14:20< Ravana_> Tested with LoW and also a simple 2p MP scenario that loops on itself for testing. Appears to affect every build since at least 1.11.9.
20141010 21:14:20< Ravana_> If the client (non-host) ends turn before the host, they will be dropped from the game and kicked to the lobby, while the host will be left to reassign them. Reassigning them also doesn't work, wesnoth reports controller type errors after the host transitions. (";Side 4 doesn't have a controller! To proceed with the game...";)
20141010 21:14:21< Ravana_> If an observer ends turn before the host, they will be moved to the mp wait dialog. If the host ends turn, they will transition correctly and the observer will as well. The host may even reassign controllers in this time and give obs control, and the obs will launch the scenario correctly. Only the non-host clients seem to have a problem here.
20141010 21:14:40< Laela> any formatting will be sent as text still
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20141010 21:20:22< Ravana_> (< is currently set prefix)
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20141010 21:37:55< gfgtdf> is the sdl mixer currently the only thing that prevents os from merging ais boost filesystem branch ?
20141010 21:38:04< gfgtdf> us*
20141010 21:52:09< vultraz> shadowm: if I could figure out how, I might do something with css and replicating the in-game button click visuals
20141010 21:53:20< c74d> vultraz: see the `:hover` and `:active` CSS pseudo-classes.
20141010 21:53:35< vultraz> uh..hm
20141010 21:53:50< vultraz> that might work
20141010 21:54:08< c74d> (<https://developer.mozilla.org/CSS/:hover>, <https://developer.mozilla.org/CSS/:active>)
20141010 21:56:26< vultraz> shadowm: I'll rework the title logo
20141010 21:56:37< vultraz> And as I mentioned, I'm still working on the header
20141010 21:56:54< vultraz> If i can tile the bigmap wodd bg horizontally that would be good
20141010 21:56:56< vultraz> wood*
20141010 21:57:05< vultraz> (as opposed to the stone)
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20141010 22:11:48< irker456> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master d73a117278a9 / src/sdl/utils.cpp: disable "alpha thresholding" in our bilinear interpolation algo http://git.io/ua-4uA
20141010 22:11:50< irker456> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master 02f3c528afcc / changelog: update changelog http://git.io/d0XjZQ
20141010 22:11:52< irker456> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master c32baa066607 / / (17 files in 10 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth http://git.io/QTa33A
20141010 22:12:10< irker456> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:1.12 31b068ba3f43 / src/sdl_utils.cpp: disable "alpha thresholding" in our bilinear interpolation algo http://git.io/D3Onng
20141010 22:12:12< irker456> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:1.12 a5824c210138 / src/sdl_utils.cpp: Merge pull request #285 from cbeck88/disable_alpha_thresholding http://git.io/k7Tg6A
20141010 22:13:15< irker456> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:1.12 74fada065e49 / changelog: update changelog http://git.io/mBytCg
20141010 22:13:48< gfgtdf> shikadibot: seen AI0867 
20141010 22:13:48< shikadibot> gfgtdf: Queried user AI0867 is currently here and on the channels ##shadowm, #wesnoth-thunderstone and #wesnoth-umc-dev.
20141010 22:15:01< irker456> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master acc534d86bc8 / wml_test_schedule: disable a wml unit test that occasionally takes too long http://git.io/5rHUTA
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20141010 22:17:45< shadowm> gfgtdf: He's not reading IRC.
20141010 22:18:07< gfgtdf> shadowm: you know when he comes back ?
20141010 22:18:44< shadowm> Ravana_: Please use a more compact summary format, we don't need the whole thing output to IRC.
20141010 22:19:15< shadowm> Also, do you intend to continue working on this? It might be faster for me to adapt wesbot's code into shikadibot like Rhonda said earlier since they are both Perl irssi bots.
20141010 22:20:03< shadowm> vultraz: background-repeat (also part of the background shorthand prop).
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20141010 22:20:30< shadowm> gfgtdf: He didn't say.
20141010 22:20:55< shadowm> He did say he's too busy, so I'd rather not bother him with Wesnoth stuff if he's deliberately avoiding it.
20141010 22:21:52< shadowm> If someone else wants to email him directly, good for them, his email address is everywhere after all; but it'd be bad form if I did it myself.
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20141010 22:23:01< Ravana_> your way should be better
20141010 22:23:02< shadowm> Ravana_: Re summary, see <http://www.wesnoth.org/irclogs/2014/03/%23wesnoth-dev.2014-03-22.log> at 20140322 10:26:58
20141010 22:23:11< gfgtdf> shadowm: do you think we can/should merge his boost filesystem branch without him ?
20141010 22:25:08< shadowm> If you are able to understand the code and take responsibility for it... and for the dependencies it introduces and the problems it may cause for Ivanovic and the Pandora port.
20141010 22:26:21< shadowm> For instance, ISTR the Boost.filesystem dependency requires bumping the requirement in INSTALL, and that might be a problem.
20141010 22:28:10< shadowm> iceiceice: Do you have any before/after screenshots for #285? That's a thing I wanted to check the other night before commenting on it, but then I got sidetracked by the SDL_ttf issue...
20141010 22:28:59< shadowm> In particular I'm curious how it compares for the many different and incompatible things we (IIRC) scale down using the same algo (portraits, pixel art, zoomed gamemap...).
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20141010 22:29:58< gfgtdf> shadowm: to me it looked like the whole boostfilesystem think was made optional 6f2c048e2e5a56c1354ddc7ad56c25f3bef0780e
20141010 22:30:18< gfgtdf> (the sconstruct file in the commit)
20141010 22:30:21< gfgtdf> that*
20141010 22:30:22< shadowm> > fatal: bad object 6f2c048e2e5a56c1354ddc7ad56c25f3bef0780e
20141010 22:31:03< shadowm> Oh, in AI's fork.
20141010 22:32:09< shadowm> gfgtdf: You are right, it's made optional by passing boostfilesystem=false to scons.
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20141010 22:33:40< shadowm> He didn't bother with cmake, though.
20141010 22:33:59< shadowm> Plus the final diff is *extremely* noisy due to the namespacing changes.
20141010 22:35:06< gfgtdf> shadowm: maybe we shodul just cherrypick teh napspacechanign commit to master? that most likeley also teh commits that produces the most mergignconflicts
20141010 22:35:24< gfgtdf> namespace-changing commit*
20141010 22:36:33< shadowm> Since it was made two years ago, cherry-picking won't suffice and somebody will have to deal with the remaining unresolved symbols.
20141010 22:37:14< shadowm> (Just noting that unless there is nobody else willing to do it, it's necessary, and we run out of options, the person in question won't be me.)
20141010 22:37:49< shadowm> (I'm not comfortable with refactoring changes of any degree in maintenance branches.)
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20141010 22:55:07< shadowm> mattsc: Just as a heads up, we can't reasonably release version 1.12.0 with https://gna.org/bugs/?20815 being a known unresolved issue.
20141010 22:55:41< shadowm> I'm hoping upstream will review the case first so I can decide what to tell the other devs in our ML then.
20141010 23:05:26< mattsc> shadowm: noted
20141010 23:05:52< mattsc> shadowm: the linger mode bug fixed by LovCAPONE did not exist in master
20141010 23:06:29< shadowm> Ah, okay.
20141010 23:48:47< shadowm> Git appears to have gotten horribly confused by my attempt to cherry-pick a patch that's directly impacted by a cross-branch API differences.
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20141010 23:54:24< shadowm> So I'm diffing the diffs to make sure I didn't miss anything.
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