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20141029 01:07:07< irker219> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 995f680b5a92 / src/campaign_server/campaign_server.cpp: campaignd: Emit debug messages when writing configuration to disk http://git.io/I4G6ag
20141029 01:07:10< irker219> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 6fc02576efb7 / src/campaign_server/campaign_server.cpp: campaignd: Write config to disk even if the clock is running backwards http://git.io/Z_6Z7w
20141029 01:07:13< irker219> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master bb28364d764b / src/campaign_server/campaign_server.cpp: campaignd: Use a POSIX monotonic clock for scheduling config commits http://git.io/rCZoCg
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20141029 01:51:27< mattsc> “—> staging boost into destroot”
20141029 02:02:10< iceiceice> mattsc: sounds good?
20141029 02:05:24< mattsc> iceiceice: possibly ...
20141029 02:09:15< iceiceice> in other news, the guy who maintains linuxbrew made a bunch of updates, and now i can build all wesnoth deps
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20141029 02:30:02< irker219> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master 3b9006f0d987 / src/CMakeLists.txt: fixup cmakelists, they weren't adding the new libraries http://git.io/x1pJvg
20141029 02:31:44< irker219> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:1.12 43ef193f29f9 / src/CMakeLists.txt: fixup cmakelists, they weren't adding the new libraries http://git.io/5aVAPQ
20141029 02:35:48< mattsc> iceiceice, gfgtdf: I think I managed to build boost 1.56 libs that will (might?) work with OS X Leopard (10.5)
20141029 02:36:02< mattsc> All it took was a system that actually is running 10.5.  :P
20141029 02:37:03< mattsc> Well, and complete clean installs of Xcode and macports and then waiting forever for macports to do its thing and …
20141029 02:38:01< mattsc> There’s still a lot of work to do before I know whether this’ll actually work, but it’s a step in the right direction, at least.
20141029 02:38:44< mattsc> iceiceice: you want to work on tunnels next?
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20141029 03:24:03< mattsc> Oh, woot !
20141029 03:24:49< mattsc> I did write a script back then in the stone ages to change all the interenal references inside a gazillion boost libraries!
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20141029 05:24:16< iceiceice> mattsc: i can take a look at tunnels but no promises its fixable
20141029 05:24:23< iceiceice> i remember thinking about it and assuming that it's hard
20141029 06:22:28< iceiceice> quick question about installing:
20141029 06:22:35< iceiceice> i seem to have almost gotten this installer to work,
20141029 06:22:41< iceiceice> however homebrew seems to move things around,
20141029 06:22:48< iceiceice> it wants to put the binary in a directory "bin"
20141029 06:23:01< iceiceice> and it puts all the data in "share/wesnoth/..."
20141029 06:23:39< iceiceice> the game seems to find its data directory correctly anyways,
20141029 06:24:04< iceiceice> however it still cant find all its stuff and crashes
20141029 06:24:28< iceiceice> is it mandatory that the executable be placed in the data dir?
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20141029 12:37:33< irker219> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master 35a72fa9aebe / src/desktop/clipboard.cpp: fixup missing includes in X11 clipboard code http://git.io/hiWHlA
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20141029 14:58:11< irker219> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth:1.12 3a4928f23185 / src/savegame.cpp: Add WML variables to MP SOS saves. http://git.io/ZzLuJQ
20141029 15:01:06< mattsc> thunderstruck: cool; does that complete the MP SoS save fix or is there more to do?
20141029 15:02:28< thunderstruck> mattsc: It depends. There are still problems with SOS saves and networked MP. But it could be related to other problems with controllers in MP.
20141029 15:03:27< mattsc> thunderstruck: ok
20141029 15:06:20< mattsc> Argh; I might have solved the boost library issue for OS X 10.5, but now I need to figure it out for SDL_mixer also …  :P
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20141029 15:08:22< mattsc> thunderstruck: are you going to continue looking into this?
20141029 15:09:13< thunderstruck> mattsc: Yeah. I'll first look into known and easy to reproduce controller problems. I hope that by fixing these it would be more clear what's going on with networked MP SOS.
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20141029 15:11:21< mattsc> thunderstruck: cool, thanks.  (And asking just because I’ve been distracted by other problems and haven’t followed things closely enough:)  I assume these known problems include the AI side naming issue?
20141029 15:11:35< ancestral> Controllers, like game controllers?
20141029 15:11:37< mattsc> And the crrayover problems?
20141029 15:11:56< ancestral> (Hardware controllers?)
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20141029 15:15:29< thunderstruck> ancestral: No. These are a multiplayer side controllers such as humans and AI.
20141029 15:15:59< thunderstruck> mattsc: Yeah, I had side naming issue in mind. But I don't know anything about carryover problems.
20141029 15:16:59< mattsc> thunderstruck: when fendrin and I did some test with LoW, there was some problem with gold being carried over for players that controlled more than one side.
20141029 15:17:09< mattsc> This happened when going from S3 -> S4
20141029 15:17:25< mattsc> fendrin: have you done more tests with that yet?
20141029 15:23:06< gfgtdf> fendrin: i fixed http://gna.org/bugs/?22881 on master. I could make a backport for 1.12 but i'd be happy if someone could test it on 1.12 then.
20141029 15:35:03< mattsc> gfgtdf, iceiceice: I think I got the boost libraries compiled so that it will work for OS X versions back to Leopard (10.5).
20141029 15:35:27< gfgtdf> mattsc: :)
20141029 15:35:36< mattsc> It requires me to add ~20MB in libraries to the package size, but it seems to work.
20141029 15:35:52< mattsc> The remaining problem now is that is crashes when it tries to play music  :)
20141029 15:36:18< mattsc> The reason for that is that the precompiled SDL_mixer libraries are for 10.6+ only.
20141029 15:36:41< mattsc> So I either need to find a legacy framework, or compile SDL_mixer myself also.
20141029 15:37:00< gfgtdf> mattsc: so by default mixer 1.2.12 isnt available for earlier mac verasion neigher ?
20141029 15:37:37< mattsc> gfgtdf: the default is not, no, but there might be 10.5 compatible versions “hidden” in the framework somewhere.
20141029 15:37:41< fendrin> gfgtdf: hi thank you. I will test it on 1.12
20141029 15:37:43< mattsc> I’ll check that out later.
20141029 15:38:13< gfgtdf> fendrin: so i'm going to backport it then ?
20141029 15:38:58< fendrin> mattsc, thunderstruck: there is still something strange with the carryover if one player controlls more than one side. It starts with the problem that there is only one side per player presented in the carryover report. I think at least every side controlled by a player should be mentioned in the carryover report, better every persistent side.
20141029 15:39:58< fendrin> gfgtdf: yes
20141029 15:42:12< fendrin> mattsc, thunderstruck: a second problem: It seems at least one of the players' gold carryover was taken from the wrong side. The player of Kalenz also controlled Galtrid. Later Kalenz's side took the gold from Galtrid.
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20141029 15:44:11< iceiceice> mattsc: what does macports give you if you install SDL mixer?
20141029 15:44:18< iceiceice> can you just steal whatever version they have?
20141029 15:47:10< mattsc> iceiceice: “Error: Port SDL_mixer not found”  :)   [I had already tried that.]
20141029 15:47:54< iceiceice> no way they must have it
20141029 15:48:02< iceiceice> otherwise how can there be a wesnoth mac ports?
20141029 15:49:02< iceiceice> mattsc: https://trac.macports.org/browser/trunk/dports/audio/libsdl_mixer/Portfile
20141029 15:49:20< mattsc> iceiceice: yeah, I just found that …
20141029 15:49:34< mattsc> I had only looked for capitalized SDL previously  :P
20141029 15:50:02< iceiceice> lucky you :D
20141029 15:52:11< mattsc> iceiceice: yeah, well, let’s see.  I found yesterday that I need to do all of this on an actual 10.5 system (or at least that doing it on my 10.9 system is too complex to be worth the effort), so I won’t know until tonight.
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20141029 16:01:07< mattsc> iceiceice: did you see AI0867 mail on tunnels?
20141029 16:01:13< iceiceice> yea
20141029 16:01:38< mattsc> Are you still going to look into it  (he says that he likely won’t have time)?
20141029 16:02:06< iceiceice> i think i looked at the tunnel code at one point,
20141029 16:02:16< iceiceice> it needs some love
20141029 16:02:21< mattsc> yeah, you said yesterday
20141029 16:02:34< iceiceice> i could try to fix this issue but the ai issue sounds more serious
20141029 16:02:59< mattsc> ai issue?
20141029 16:03:11< iceiceice> so here's my interpretation of the issue,
20141029 16:03:22< iceiceice> tunnels are created by trying to generalize the "teleport" ability of silver mages
20141029 16:03:33< iceiceice> silver mages can only teleport between villages,
20141029 16:03:36< iceiceice> and only villages that you own
20141029 16:03:57< iceiceice> however, there's an issue that arises in tunnels that doesnt for "teleport"
20141029 16:04:03< iceiceice> whcih is that the exit point can be blocked
20141029 16:04:15< iceiceice> for a silver mage, you always know what villages you currently control,
20141029 16:04:24< iceiceice> and you cant teleport (or even attempt to order a teleport) to someone elses village
20141029 16:04:51< iceiceice> with tunnels, if you don't have vision of the exit, and there's an enemy blocking it,
20141029 16:05:00< iceiceice> the order just has to be cancelled
20141029 16:05:04< iceiceice> and its pretty unexpected
20141029 16:05:10< iceiceice> the ai doesn't expect it either
20141029 16:05:50< iceiceice> normally i guess the ai doens't have to deal with its moves not going to completion, because it has full vision and doesn't actually get "ambushed" etc.
20141029 16:06:03< iceiceice> so i'm not sure why its broken here for hte ai
20141029 16:06:28< iceiceice> i'm not sure if fixing this is really feasible at this stage
20141029 16:06:45< iceiceice> is this actually a regression from 1.10?
20141029 16:06:52< iceiceice> i didn't get the impression that it was
20141029 16:07:16< iceiceice> if it can be fixed by identifying some commit that broke it and fixing it up, thats one thing
20141029 16:07:38< iceiceice> if you have to start changing the code that handles how the ai performs move actions in novel ways,
20141029 16:07:42< iceiceice> idk i think that's dubious
20141029 16:10:03< mattsc> iceiceice: yeah, makes sense.  And I don’t know if it’s a regression or if it just is more obvious because of the Lua AIs that now show error messages on the screen.
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20141029 16:10:38< mattsc> which reminds me, I should probably turn the “report this on the forums” message off for stable…
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20141029 16:11:02< mattsc> but the error messages by the engine will still appear, of course
20141029 16:15:04< mattsc> iceiceice: btw, no objection from my side on your graphics scaling backport
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20141029 16:43:30< iceiceice> ancestral: can you try my homebrew script for wesnoth?
20141029 16:43:42< iceiceice> i updated it and got it working on linux brew, it should be cross platform with mac though
20141029 16:44:06< iceiceice> `brew install [--devel] [--HEAD] https://gist.githubusercontent.com/cbeck88/f5898a5cbdfe99a8d427/raw/28ee87ccf52bfbaa8b1482c19ad83b0e820d41e0/wesnoth-new.rb
20141029 16:44:08< iceiceice> `
20141029 16:44:38< iceiceice> if it works i will submit pr upstream
20141029 16:49:18< iceiceice> also if you still have audio problems i think i might know what the issue is
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20141029 16:58:57< irker219> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:1.12 0cb29bcf75ea / src/replay_controller.cpp: fix "time over" event in replays  http://git.io/I26XgA
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20141029 17:37:43< gfgtdf> fendrin: i pushed my fix to 1.12
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20141029 19:37:33< fendrin> gfgtdf: Thank you
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20141029 20:15:11< mattsc> iceiceice: ugh; when building lidSDL_mixer with macoprts, the resulting library depends on roughly a dozen other libraries that I then all need to include also
20141029 20:15:26< iceiceice> loonycyborg: did you ever try to compile the game with png not statically linked into sdl image, but dynamically loaded?
20141029 20:15:28< mattsc> The nice thing about the framework is that those are all included therein…
20141029 20:16:14< mattsc> but even though the sdl_mixer website claims that 1.2.12 supports 0.5, if you look into the info.plist, it does not
20141029 20:16:27< mattsc> *10.5
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20141029 20:18:45< gfgtdf> i wonder why we hvae a no_leader=yes/no attribute in [side]. couldn't we just create  a unit if type= is given and otherwise not ?
20141029 20:19:02< iceiceice> mattsc: does macports let you configure this? maybe it can be told to statically link all that stuff?
20141029 20:19:39< mattsc> iceiceice: hmm, good question, I’ll check that out
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20141029 20:32:57< loonycyborg> iceiceice: I already using it like that
20141029 20:33:18< loonycyborg> by default sdl_image dynamically loads all image libs
20141029 20:33:49< iceiceice> yeah but i didnt find any evidence that we link at compile time with libpng
20141029 20:33:58< iceiceice> under normal simple builds of wesnoth
20141029 20:34:12< iceiceice> and im having wierd problems getting this homebrew script right
20141029 20:34:31< iceiceice> i find that, if i dont change their ruby file for sdl_image, so that it is configured with "disable_png_shared"
20141029 20:34:41< iceiceice> then the game crashes with segfaults on start up
20141029 20:35:00< iceiceice> filesystem debugging shows that it finds all the images, but sdl returns null pointers for all of them
20141029 20:35:05< iceiceice> indicating that it doesnt have png support
20141029 20:35:19< iceiceice> when i compile with "disable_png_shared" then it works
20141029 20:35:31< loonycyborg> it's something mac specific probably
20141029 20:35:35< iceiceice> this happens even if i pass "-lpng" as an extra link flag
20141029 20:35:40< iceiceice> loonycyborg: no this is on my linux box
20141029 20:35:47< iceiceice> im running their script using linux brew
20141029 20:36:05< loonycyborg> is it targeting mac?
20141029 20:36:15< loonycyborg> it's probably using a cross-compiler then
20141029 20:36:18< iceiceice> no its not
20141029 20:36:23< iceiceice> it uses your native compiler
20141029 20:36:35< iceiceice> clang++ (via g++ symlink) on a mac, and straight g++ on linux
20141029 20:36:57< loonycyborg> no idea about that
20141029 20:37:00< iceiceice> i looked at macports, they are configuring SDL_image to statically link lib png also
20141029 20:37:05< loonycyborg> never had such problems
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20141029 20:39:13< iceiceice> loonycyborg: can i ask you something else?
20141029 20:39:27< loonycyborg> hmm sure
20141029 20:39:29< iceiceice> if i want scons to link a library, do i have to do more than conf.checklib ?
20141029 20:39:36< iceiceice> it seems that i dont
20141029 20:39:46< iceiceice> but i can't find any manual statements to confirm this
20141029 20:40:16< loonycyborg> it's enough to link against a library
20141029 20:40:31< loonycyborg> it both does the check and adds -l flag
20141029 20:40:45< loonycyborg> It doesn't cover headers though
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20141029 20:43:03< iceiceice> loonycyborg: i'm confused by this line then i guess
20141029 20:43:04< iceiceice> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/SConstruct#L323
20141029 20:43:38< iceiceice> if we only have to "enumerate transitive dependencies" when compiling against these obscure nacl targets,
20141029 20:43:48< iceiceice> doesn't that mean we are typically statically linking them in somehow?
20141029 20:45:23< loonycyborg> shared linking can handle indirect library dependencies
20141029 20:45:48< loonycyborg> when you use static libs you need to explicitly link against them
20141029 20:46:39< iceiceice> i see
20141029 20:48:47< iceiceice> i tried googling, i found wesnoth forum posts from 2006 XD
20141029 20:48:48< iceiceice> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11059
20141029 20:49:32< iceiceice> humm so i guess if i'm passing that now it means i actually do have png support?
20141029 20:50:27< iceiceice> do we not run this test anymore?
20141029 20:57:49< iceiceice> ok, i think my diagnosis of the problem is wrong
20141029 20:57:57< iceiceice> since we apparently pass the  test...
20141029 20:58:10< iceiceice> i guess my linking paths are all fucked by linuxbrew somehow
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20141029 22:01:42< iceiceice> mattsc: do you need us to make a compatability path so you don't have to compile SDL mixer 1.2.12?
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20141029 22:32:42< shadowm> GitHub is under DDoS, in case anyone is having issues with the repository.
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20141029 22:33:49< shadowm> More information here: <https://status.github.com/> Right now it seems to mostly affect repository hooks.
20141029 22:48:48< iceiceice> ive been using it, the only thing i noticed is my smiley face icon dissappeared
20141029 22:48:53< iceiceice> and many other icons
20141029 22:49:12< shadowm> That's also mentioned in the status history.
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20141029 22:52:14< mattsc> iceiceice: thanks for the offer, but no, that’s not necessary.  I have it compiled (in two different ways, in fact), I’m just trying to figure out what the best (here defined as: laziest) way of including the libraries is.
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