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20141127 01:19:57< vultraz> 20141127 01:40:26 error filesystem: Failed to check existence of file C:/Program Files (x86)/Battle for Wesnoth 1.12.0/images/icons/action/[1] C:\Users\Charles\Documents\My Games\Wesnoth1.12/data/add-ons/NX-RPG/episode1/maps/06_Awakening_part_1.map [*]_25.png: The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect
20141127 01:19:59< vultraz> er
20141127 01:20:02< vultraz> what?
20141127 01:20:42< ancestral> Putting “[*]” into your file names, vultraz?
20141127 01:20:54< vultraz> No
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20141127 01:21:13< ancestral> Some one or some thing apparently did
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20141127 02:52:09< iceiceice> vultraz: i took a look at what you were saying,
20141127 02:52:18< iceiceice> did you ever trying overridding wesnoth.eval_conditional?
20141127 02:52:41< vultraz> Hm. No, I did not.
20141127 02:52:45< vultraz> How would that help?
20141127 02:53:02< iceiceice> i think all the tags that actully check conditional wml use that function
20141127 02:53:34< iceiceice> so the thing is, it's a bit of a pain in the ass because all of the code that does [and] [or] [not] handling is also in that function
20141127 02:53:53< vultraz> Hm... Well, overriding tags should be an exception, not standard procedure 
20141127 02:54:06< iceiceice> there's a top level part that does that, and an "internal" part that does [have_unit], [variable] etc.
20141127 02:54:36< iceiceice> so the other thing is, the code that handled [and][or][not] is actually duplicated in like 4 places in the C++
20141127 02:54:41< vultraz> Wat
20141127 02:54:49< iceiceice> it's basically copy pasted, once for conditionals, and then more times for each kind of filter
20141127 02:54:56< iceiceice> unit, location, side
20141127 02:55:13< iceiceice> they each have a different "internal" part
20141127 02:55:22< vultraz> That's...horribly inelegant 
20141127 02:55:24< iceiceice> but the external part that does [and][or][not] is copy pasta
20141127 02:55:29< iceiceice> yes
20141127 02:55:31< vultraz> Shouldn't they inherit from a parent class
20141127 02:55:39< iceiceice> i thoguht so at one point,
20141127 02:55:45< iceiceice> but now what i think is it should be implemented in lua
20141127 02:56:16< iceiceice> i think we coudl give a lua implementation thats probably as fast or faster than the C++ one we have right now,
20141127 02:56:34< iceiceice> and the other thing is, i don't really like when lua calls C++ and then C++ calls lua again, and then back to C++ again...
20141127 02:56:42< iceiceice> that makes bugs harder to figure out because your stack trace looks crazy
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20141127 02:57:25< iceiceice> also it makes it unclear what happens if there is an exception
20141127 02:57:49< iceiceice> not that there's a problem but it just makes it more complicated
20141127 02:58:15< iceiceice> the other thing is,
20141127 02:58:22< iceiceice> right now there is a bunch of backwards compataibility code
20141127 02:58:29< iceiceice> in the [and][or][not] stuff
20141127 02:58:39< iceiceice> apparently we couldn't agree how it should work or something
20141127 02:59:08< vultraz> If that was long enough ago perhaps you should remove it
20141127 02:59:14< iceiceice> y
20141127 02:59:47< iceiceice> so what i would propose is, write one function called like "boolean_handler" in lua
20141127 02:59:55< iceiceice> which takes a WML table and a "helper"
20141127 03:00:13< iceiceice> and extracts all the [and][or][not] stuff first, then passes the remainder to the helper,
20141127 03:00:26< iceiceice> and evaluates the [and][or][not] parts in succession with the helper basically
20141127 03:00:44< iceiceice> and then code that up to replace eval_conditional and all of the filters
20141127 03:01:22< iceiceice> we coudl either leave the helpers in C++, or write them in lua also
20141127 03:01:45< vultraz> (brb, need to make a thanksgiving grocery run)
20141127 03:01:51< iceiceice> ok, i have to go soon also
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20141127 03:14:40< irker747> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master ad93493f8765 / RELEASE_NOTES: add notes about print being replaced in lua http://git.io/4CakKw
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20141127 03:18:23< shadowm> Huh? What's the reason for the print change?
20141127 03:25:55< vultraz> I wonder if ice cube reads logs
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20141127 03:43:44< iceiceice> shadowm: i had to change print to implement the lua console,
20141127 03:43:53< iceiceice> otherwise... it wouldn't be a very good interpreter
20141127 03:44:09< iceiceice> since you would have to minimize wesnoth and go to your terminal to see the output...
20141127 03:44:33< iceiceice> once i figured out how to make a new print function, i thought about whether it was a good thing that lua messages spam your console logs
20141127 03:45:21< iceiceice> they way it works now, lua printing goes to the lua log (internal stringtream for the interpreter), and to log debug on channel "scripting/lua"
20141127 03:45:42< iceiceice> i mean in general we discourage people to print directly to std::cout and std::cerr
20141127 03:46:13< iceiceice> if you think it should be different from how i currently set things up its very easy to change
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20141127 03:48:32< iceiceice> vultraz: yes i do
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20141127 03:55:25< shadowm> iceiceice: I don't see a reason for not printing it to stderr as well as the internal stringstream.
20141127 03:56:11< shadowm> So if you could make it print to stderr again that'd be great.
20141127 03:57:22< iceiceice> what is the benefit in this?
20141127 03:57:38< shadowm> There doesn't have to be a concrete benefit.
20141127 03:58:03< iceiceice> ok, feel free to change it then
20141127 03:58:12< shadowm> I did not make the change in the first place.
20141127 03:59:18< shadowm> If you are concerned about people ruining the logger output format then maybe you should also forbid people from entering newlines into the logging facilities (which [wml_message] uses).
20141127 03:59:37< shadowm> (Not a serious suggestion. Don't do that.)
20141127 04:00:14< iceiceice> i'm on a different branch right now, i don't really want to deal with it,
20141127 04:00:24< iceiceice> if you want a code pointer i can show you what shoudl change,
20141127 04:00:46< iceiceice> but if you don't care enough to lift a finger and you won't give a concrete reason i don't see that i need to drop what i'm doing
20141127 04:01:24< shadowm> Nobody asked you to drop what you were doing in the first place.
20141127 04:01:56< iceiceice> okay
20141127 04:01:58< shadowm> If a specific time frame for the revert was desired, I'd have specified one.
20141127 04:02:09< iceiceice> also fwiw i'm pretty sure print was on std::cout before not std::cerr
20141127 04:02:11< shadowm> So by default it's "before 1.13.0".
20141127 04:02:33< shadowm> And I bet it wasn't either but rather the libc stream for stdout.
20141127 04:02:50< iceiceice> yeah thats probably more accurate
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20141127 04:04:54< shadowm> And here's the concrete benefit: I can select portions of my terminal output, perform searches, redirect it to a file, etc., whereas I believe that's not possible for in-game output or the Lua console dialog yet.
20141127 04:05:46< iceiceice> there's a copy button on the lua console dialog
20141127 04:05:52< shadowm> Select.
20141127 04:05:55< iceiceice> so you can grab it all and send it to a text editor
20141127 04:05:57< iceiceice> and then select
20141127 04:06:14< shadowm> Yeah, I can do that with less clicks using my terminal emulator.
20141127 04:06:33< iceiceice> doing drag select in the console would not be too difficult actually
20141127 04:06:53< iceiceice> i think that would be less difficult to add to all scroll labels, than the hyperlink rendering thing was
20141127 04:06:58< shadowm> Sigh.
20141127 04:07:00< shadowm> Why do I bother.
20141127 04:07:30< iceiceice> the thing that's annoying though is that we don't have context menus
20141127 04:07:33< iceiceice> so its kind of awkward
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20141127 04:09:09< iceiceice> shadowm: you read the whole release notes entry right?
20141127 04:09:52< iceiceice> one reason to keep it as it is is that its more configurable
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20141127 04:10:11< iceiceice> if the "new" print duplicates features of the old one then its effectively the only one
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20141127 04:20:24< mattsc> iceiceice: so std_print() now does everything that print() did before?
20141127 04:20:32< iceiceice> yes
20141127 04:20:46< iceiceice> i figured this might affect AI
20141127 04:20:57< iceiceice> if you think its really inconvenient change is certainly an option
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20141127 04:21:44< mattsc> iceiceice: I use print() extensively for AI debugging, but TBH, I don’t really care whether it’s called print() or std_print().
20141127 04:21:59< iceiceice> if you want to suggest a different name from std_print that's also fine
20141127 04:22:11< iceiceice> that name won't make much sense to someone who never used c++
20141127 04:22:32< mattsc> iceiceice: no, I don’t really care personally.  The thing that worries me might be some backward compatibility for others.
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20141127 17:54:48< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: I figured I would have to build the boost libs for MSVC myself now anyway yes...so I should do for MinGw previously
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20141127 17:56:11< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: I was never using self-built boost libs...I tried once but failed (the linking at the end when building wesnoth, not boost libs themselves)
20141127 17:56:27< anonymissimus> perhaps it had a different reason
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20141127 17:59:02< anonymissimus> do we actually depend on the boost.random lib being built ? as that is one of the boost libs that can be used without being built
20141127 17:59:15< anonymissimus> (header-only)
20141127 17:59:33< anonymissimus> or optionally header-only in the case of this lib
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20141127 18:06:07< loonycyborg> anonymissimus: the problem is I kinda don't remember where I build libs on hidden/win
20141127 18:06:27< loonycyborg> here with cross-compiler or on winxp
20141127 18:06:27< zookeeper> hmh. a debug command to output the current music playlist might be handy to have, for testing that your playlists are working right especially if you change them mid-scenario. it's kinda impossible to test it atm.
20141127 18:07:50< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: winxp most likely ? as I'm using them there
20141127 18:08:50< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: but I decided to try getting them myself, as the boostpro site went down so I will have to do for MSVC anyway, and MinGw should be easier
20141127 18:09:19< loonycyborg> ask me if you have any questions about building boost
20141127 18:09:45< anonymissimus> timotei: any replacement for the lost boostpro site where we downloaded the libs ?
20141127 18:10:29< loonycyborg> I vaguely remember reading something on boost-dev ml
20141127 18:11:21< anonymissimus> and my question about boost.random ?
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20141127 19:16:05< iceiceice> anonymissimus: boost random is not a header only dep, you must compile it
20141127 19:16:17< iceiceice> pentarctagon reported this in his thread
20141127 19:17:32< iceiceice> if you are trying to do a mingw build of boost, i did this not too long ago and uploaded a pretty detailed log to the wiki
20141127 19:17:41< iceiceice> (but loony's info is probably better)
20141127 19:18:17< iceiceice> i was doing it on linux but at least the bjam line should be similar i think
20141127 19:18:37< iceiceice> also pentarctagon's scons instrutions contain a batchscript which compiles boost
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20141127 19:40:02< anonymissimus> iceiceice: I wonder whether he actually tried to compile without boost.random or whether he just assumed he would need it though
20141127 19:40:35< timotei> anonymissimus: There is
20141127 19:40:40< timotei> The boost libraries from sourceforce >)
20141127 19:40:54< iceiceice> anonymissimus: i will try removing the lib file and see if i can link the game, if you like
20141127 19:41:02< timotei> anonymissimus: http://sourceforge.net/projects/boost/files/boost-binaries/ :)
20141127 19:42:28< anonymissimus> are we using "random_device" as mentioned on http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_57_0/more/getting_started/windows.html#header-only-libraries ?
20141127 19:42:38< iceiceice> yyes
20141127 19:42:39< iceiceice> *yes
20141127 19:43:12< iceiceice> if for some reason you don't want to, there is #ifdef you could twiddle i thnk
20141127 19:43:33< iceiceice> when i added it, i anticipated that we might have to use older boost which doesn't have it
20141127 19:43:46< anonymissimus> where is the position where boost.random is needed ? I could built 1.12 yesterday without it
20141127 19:43:57< iceiceice> its not needed for 1.12
20141127 19:43:58< iceiceice> only master
20141127 19:44:03< anonymissimus> ok
20141127 19:48:07< anonymissimus> timotei: thx
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20141127 20:26:07< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/cbeck88/wesnoth/builds/42340743
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20141127 20:36:29< anonymissimus> the commit log is so unlinear now that it got really difficult to know "so what files have been added to the project between this date and that date" ?
20141127 20:38:51< anonymissimus> I used to look into the commit log restricted to sconsript or cmakelists for that
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20141127 21:05:23< gfgtdf> anonymissimus: for 1.12 too ?
20141127 21:06:48< gfgtdf> anonymissimus: i just saw https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/b5c251447f115763c4af157329eeec557610a766 and the msvc build should use the filesysten_boost, gettext_boost files, since those mostly contain windows related fixes.
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20141127 21:20:01< anonymissimus> gfgtdf: yes it should
20141127 21:20:21< anonymissimus> gfgtdf: feel invited to update the build package etc
20141127 21:20:49< anonymissimus> so I decided to let it be atm
20141127 21:22:49< anonymissimus> and nobody tested ai's code with msvc yet, right ? so i have to expect issues
20141127 21:23:28< gfgtdf> anonymissimus: why ai code do you mean ?
20141127 21:23:30< anonymissimus> + probably quite a number of other unrelated msvc-only issues on master
20141127 21:23:49< gfgtdf> which*
20141127 21:23:54< anonymissimus> well, this boost_filesystem branch that was merged
20141127 21:24:03< anonymissimus> and originally coded by AI
20141127 21:24:45< gfgtdf> anonymissimus: yes i ported it using msvc and then fixed the mingw issues reported by loonycyborg.
20141127 21:25:04< gfgtdf> s/ported/mreged
20141127 21:25:09< gfgtdf> merged*
20141127 21:26:11< gfgtdf> gfgtdf: so maybe the msvc was tested before anything else.
20141127 21:26:17< gfgtdf> anonymissimus: ^
20141127 21:26:45< anonymissimus> you are using your own dependencies package then I suppose ?
20141127 21:27:25< anonymissimus> "you ported it using msvc" ???
20141127 21:27:28< gfgtdf> anonymissimus: most of it i still the msvc2010 package from that wiki page, but i compiled boost myself and updated sdl
20141127 21:27:36< gfgtdf> anonymissimus: merged*
20141127 21:27:43< gfgtdf> anonymissimus: i corrected myself above
20141127 21:29:42< gfgtdf> anonymissimus: meaning msvc was the compiler is used during that porcess, not that i used some specialy merge ability.
20141127 21:32:11< gfgtdf> special msvc merge ability*
20141127 21:33:32< anonymissimus> I don't understand your whole last lines sry
20141127 21:33:52< anonymissimus> from "anonymissimus: yes i ported it using msvc and then fixed the mingw issues reported by loonycyborg." on actually
20141127 21:34:35< anonymissimus> maybe is results in less work for me fine
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20141127 21:47:02< iceiceice> anonymissimus: the history is probably easier to undertsand on master
20141127 21:47:19< iceiceice> when i backported to 1.12 i simplified the history by cherry-picking merge commits
20141127 21:47:27< iceiceice> otherwise it would have been unmanageable
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20141127 21:56:12< iceiceice> i guess it depends on your point of view
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20141127 22:06:43< fabi> shadowm: I like to ask you some questions about gui2 since I have not seen mordante for quite a while. Iirc we already talked about modal vs non-modal dialogs.
20141127 22:07:40< fabi> You told me once that gui2 is purely modal.
20141127 22:08:45< fabi> The popup class on which the tip class is based on claims to be a non-modal dialog.
20141127 22:09:19< fabi> But calling it during gameplay just freezes the UI.
20141127 22:10:12< fabi> Does this mean the popup class is only useable as a non-modal dialog when used as child of a modal gui2 dialog?
20141127 22:13:40< anonymissimus> can somebody tell me why I get this http://pastebin.com/XBcnSwA4
20141127 22:14:30< anonymissimus> it looks like some problem with boost to me, actually
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20141127 23:53:18< anonymissimus> oh wow it just linked
20141127 23:53:40< anonymissimus> ok better stop when it's best ;)
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20141127 23:56:12< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i just looked at https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/unit_filter.cpp#L186 and i think using exceptios to handle the "filter_location" , "filter_adjacent" cases might be slow ..
20141127 23:56:39< iceiceice> gfgtdf: i think all of that should be rewritten, i think it was not smart to write it the way i did
20141127 23:57:00< iceiceice> i'm not sure
20141127 23:58:20< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i wonder at how many diffreent tag options a map lookup is faster than an if else check for the tag names.
20141127 23:59:40< iceiceice> gfgtdf: the thing that i like about what i did making it so that when you run a filter over every unit, it doesn't keep parsing the vconfig over and over, it remembers those results
20141127 23:59:58< iceiceice> and it has "find first unit" or "find all matches" methods on the filter object
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