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20141128 11:29:42< Benzi-Junior> hey, I was wondering with the new multiplayer faction introduced in 1.12 have the khalifates existed in some campaign setting before or is this a new set of units introduced to the game ?
20141128 11:32:37< zookeeper> i believe they've been used in a few UMC campaigns (not that i recall which ones) for quite a while already
20141128 11:33:27< zookeeper> but any backstory they might get in mainline in the future is likely to be incompatible with most of their current UMC uses... i think
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20141128 11:41:18< SamanthaD> Hello, I was just going over the unit tree for the new stable version. I noticed that there are "Humans" and there are "Khalifate" units which are also humans. Perhaps this has unfortunate implications given that the Khalifate faction is inspired by real-world ethnic groups.
20141128 11:43:54< zookeeper> i believe it's a separate race mainly for clarity in the in-game help and such
20141128 11:45:12< SamanthaD> perhaps "Humans" should be renamed then?
20141128 11:46:01< zookeeper> nothing to really rename it to
20141128 11:46:56< SamanthaD> well... the humans live in the kingdom of Wesnoth, right?
20141128 11:47:09< SamanthaD> why not call them Wesnothians or Wessfolk or something?
20141128 11:47:31< SamanthaD> or Humans of Wesnoth
20141128 11:47:36< zookeeper> most do, obviously humans on the green isle or the wesfolk or some random people in the far north don't
20141128 11:47:38< SamanthaD> and then you could have Humans of the Khalifate
20141128 11:48:09< zookeeper> if it was up to me then they'd all just be humans
20141128 11:48:44< SamanthaD> yeah
20141128 11:49:22< SamanthaD> still, it should be addressed since it looks /really/ bad
20141128 11:52:27< zookeeper> perhaps they will
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20141128 11:52:58< SamanthaD> are you a developer?
20141128 11:53:21< zookeeper> yes
20141128 12:00:15< SamanthaD> great work on 1.12, by the way
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20141128 12:15:43< Benzi-Junior> is the save file format incompatible with previous versions ?
20141128 12:16:21< Benzi-Junior> or is there some other reason it says I have no saved games anymore
20141128 12:16:23< Benzi-Junior> ?
20141128 12:28:55< vultraz> Benzi-Junior: your userdata folder changed
20141128 12:29:17< vultraz> Benzi-Junior: it's now Wesnoth1.12 as opposed to Wesnoth<previousversion>
20141128 12:29:27< vultraz> All your saves should be in the latter location
20141128 12:33:27< zookeeper> if you have campaign saves, i'd suggest either finishing them with the old version or re-starting on the new... they might kinda work on 1.12, but you'd probably get some errors (which might be harmless) or other glitches somewhere.
20141128 12:34:38< vultraz> SamanthaD: are you suggesting something like in the Elder Scrolls series, where Imperials and Nords are all humans but have separate specific names to signify their categorical inclusiveness?
20141128 12:34:43< Benzi-Junior> zookeeper: ye I have a campaign save in the second to last scenario of son of black-eye
20141128 12:35:34< zookeeper> yeah if it's just 2 scenarios left, then probably better to finish it on the old version
20141128 12:35:53< SamanthaD> vultraz: Yes, that sounds like a good idea
20141128 12:37:53< vultraz> SamanthaD: well, it won't change in 1.12, but we'll discuss it for 1.13. Thanks for the suggestion :) 
20141128 12:39:15< Benzi-Junior> bahh it loaded in 1.12 
20141128 12:39:18< SamanthaD> no problem
20141128 12:39:24< Benzi-Junior> so let's just play it there 
20141128 12:40:02< Benzi-Junior> BTW I read that son of Black-Eye got some changes in 1.12 anything big
20141128 12:40:18< vultraz> Benzi-Junior: as long as the save is from post-1.11.11, it should be fine
20141128 12:41:04< vultraz> Benzi-Junior: and yes
20141128 12:41:18< vultraz> To quote the release notes; "Most notably, Son of the Black Eye has been rebalanced in its entirety, bringing its difficulty in line with its designation as an expert level campaign."
20141128 12:47:01< Benzi-Junior> vultraz: ye that was what I read but is there any new loyal units or artifacts to be discovered now or is it just the spawning or things like that have been changed
20141128 12:47:33< vultraz> I don't know about that. You'd have to ask mattsc
20141128 12:47:47< zookeeper> no new loyals or artifacts, basically just changes to the maps, balancing, enemy units and such
20141128 12:49:10< zookeeper> eastern invasion and legend of wesmere are probably the ones which have received most changes between 1.10 and 1.12
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20141128 14:55:42< celmin|sleep> What about HttT?
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20141128 15:26:03< Benzi-Junior> can I keep save files in directories nested under the saves directory 
20141128 15:26:39< Benzi-Junior> I mean will the game find those files automatically
20141128 15:26:56< vultraz> Dunno
20141128 15:33:10< celticminstrel> Was HttT changed much in 1.12?
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20141128 15:54:23< vultraz> celticminstrel: not that I know of
20141128 16:04:04< zookeeper> it wasn't
20141128 16:04:25< zookeeper> nor in 1.10, or 1.8, or 1.6, or... :p
20141128 16:05:15< celticminstrel> I remembered reading about plans to change it, though.
20141128 16:06:37< zookeeper> well there's been plans ranging from the smallest balance tweak to a complete rewrite, so that's not surprising :P
20141128 16:07:03< celticminstrel> I think it was closer to the latter.
20141128 16:08:50< zookeeper> those plans never really went further than some 1/3-complete scenario structure draft
20141128 16:09:41< celticminstrel> There were lots of new portraits.
20141128 16:09:58< zookeeper> well, sure, there's the new portraits in 1.12
20141128 16:10:14< celticminstrel> In HttT?
20141128 16:10:17< zookeeper> yes
20141128 16:10:40< celticminstrel> Okay, but gameplay-wise (and plot-wise) it hasn't really changed?
20141128 16:10:47< zookeeper> correct
20141128 16:15:53< zookeeper> looks like i last edited my HttT rewrite plans in 2007
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