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No more information is available. 20141203 14:25:26-!- lipkab [~the_new_l@2001:738:5404:192:9e4e:36ff:fe7c:534c] has quit [Quit: Sűrű sötét az éj, dühöng a déli szél] 20141203 15:01:37-!- Haudegen [~quassel@85.124.51.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20141203 15:03:15-!- Haudegen [~quassel@85.124.51.57] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 15:15:16-!- irker328 [~irker@uruz.ai0867.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 15:15:16< irker328> wesnoth: anonymissimus wesnoth:master d6ddcb78a3a8 / src/playsingle_controller.cpp: fix warnings about unreferenced local variable http://git.io/GOMzDQ 20141203 15:15:18< irker328> wesnoth: anonymissimus wesnoth:master 6983cfb53eb5 / src/unit.cpp: mute MSVC warnings in a boost header http://git.io/929grg 20141203 15:15:20< irker328> wesnoth: anonymissimus wesnoth:master fbd8652495fe / src/ (game_preferences.cpp wesnoth.cpp): avoid MSVC warnings about macro redefinitions INADDR_ANY, -BROADCAST, -NONE http://git.io/oRX3Kw 20141203 15:15:22< irker328> wesnoth: anonymissimus wesnoth:master 23ca125d4eb2 / projectfiles/VC9/ (schema_generator.vcproj wesnoth.vcproj wesnothd.vcproj wesnothlib.vcproj): disable several 1000 boost header level 4 MSVC warnings project-wide http://git.io/EugljA 20141203 15:16:45-!- anonymissimus [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-078-042-069-130.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 15:16:50-!- atomicbomb [~atomicbom@202.67.35.22] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 15:16:59< anonymissimus> shikadibot: seen lipk 20141203 15:16:59< shikadibot> anonymissimus: Sorry, I don't know of lipk. 20141203 15:18:29< anonymissimus> shikadibot: seen lipkab 20141203 15:18:29< shikadibot> anonymissimus: The person with the nick lipkab 53m 3s ago they left with the message: Quit: Sűrű sötét az éj, dühöng a déli szél 20141203 15:20:24< anonymissimus> lipkab: I was told sdl_gpu is your project; the header is included in wesnoth and throws some MSVC warnings I'd like to get rid of, why is sdl_gpu included at all, it doesn't seem needed ? 20141203 15:25:26< anonymissimus> lipkab: the warnings are Warnung 1 warning C4505: 'GPU_GetCompiledVersion': Nichtreferenzierte lokale Funktion wurde entfernt f:\wesnoth-code\src\sdl_gpu\sdl_gpu\sdl_gpu.h 805 20141203 15:26:06< anonymissimus> lipkab: translation: "unreferenced local function has been removed" 20141203 15:31:24-!- happygrue_ is now known as happygrue 20141203 15:40:38-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20141203 15:43:16-!- anonymissimus [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-078-042-069-130.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643]] 20141203 16:02:33-!- cib0 [~cib@132.231.178.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20141203 16:18:22-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 16:43:08< fabi> shadowm: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=578600#p578600 He should be a bot. His message is out of context and just a copy of something "kiss" posted elsewhere. 20141203 17:00:58< zookeeper> it's nice how those spambots always use the same type of signature, easy to spot 20141203 17:03:10-!- EdB [~edb@89-158-11-138.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 17:06:56-!- iceiceice [~chris@wesnoth/developer/iceiceice] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 17:16:48-!- boucman_work [~jrosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20141203 17:17:25-!- Crendgrim [~crend@wesnoth/forum-moderator/crendgrim] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20141203 17:17:44-!- Crendgrim [~crend@wesnoth/forum-moderator/crendgrim] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 17:18:57< iceiceice> fabi: there? 20141203 17:19:08< fabi> hi iceiceice 20141203 17:19:30< iceiceice> hi 20141203 17:19:34< iceiceice> did you notice this post? http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=41373 20141203 17:20:12< iceiceice> it's a chinese fork of wesnoth i guess, 20141203 17:20:39< iceiceice> they apparently have done some significant development with gui2 though 20141203 17:20:40< fabi> No, I did not notice it yet. 20141203 17:20:58< fabi> We should shameless steel whatever is usable. 20141203 17:20:58-!- atomicbomb [~atomicbom@202.67.35.22] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20141203 17:21:04< iceiceice> yes i agree 20141203 17:21:06< fabi> steal 20141203 17:21:32< iceiceice> i hope that we can steal some parts of "1. Modify theme. To theme's widget, Wesnoth use gui::widget, I will replace with gui2::widget, and get rid of gui::widget thoroughly." 20141203 17:22:13< iceiceice> i don't know what this means: "1. gui2::widget support animation." 20141203 17:22:36< iceiceice> unfortunately their git repo is very unhelpful... and all code comments are now in chinese 20141203 17:22:55< fabi> His post is unhelpful as well. 20141203 17:23:01< fabi> Are you sure the thing compiles? 20141203 17:24:01< iceiceice> no i did not try 20141203 17:24:08< iceiceice> i just looked at this repo: https://github.com/freeors/War-Of-Kingdom/tree/master/kingdom-src/kingdom/src 20141203 17:24:13< iceiceice> not the one he posted actually 20141203 17:26:09< iceiceice> i mean the structure is obviously quite similar, its just that the commits and commit messages are useless 20141203 17:26:32< fabi> indeed 20141203 17:26:42< fabi> another stupid one forked wesnoth 20141203 17:26:51< fabi> I am not sure if that are important news. 20141203 17:27:35< happygrue> perhaps he would be interested in submitting a patch himself? He (or someone) did post on our forums 20141203 17:27:45-!- EdB [~edb@89-158-11-138.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20141203 17:29:52< iceiceice> yeah probably its useless 20141203 17:29:59< fabi> happygrue: Maybe. But I am sceptical. 20141203 17:30:22< fabi> Most likely he would be able to use git properly if he would also be able to supply useful patches. 20141203 17:30:43< fabi> Anyway, we can read a little of the sources. 20141203 17:31:00-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@84.120.181.42.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 17:31:05< fabi> But without proper changelogs this is just hell. 20141203 17:31:33< fabi> More easy is to have a look at the extra gui2 files he produced. 20141203 17:31:41< fabi> Some of those could be useful. 20141203 17:32:53< iceiceice> yeah... 20141203 17:33:07< iceiceice> it looks like he tried to move the entire gui library into the "rose" section 20141203 17:33:14< vultraz> these commits, man.. 20141203 17:33:35< iceiceice> but he ended up with all the "formula ai" stuff as baggage as well 20141203 17:35:16-!- DHost [~Pcy@sd.pny.ovh] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20141203 17:36:03-!- cib0 [~cib@p5DD21EF4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 17:36:14-!- Sulfur [~Miranda@p5B3279B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20141203 17:37:39< fabi> iceiceice: I wonder if we should not just try to base display on gui2. This would allow for non modal gui2 stuff because we no longer have a gui1 toplevel. 20141203 17:38:23< iceiceice> can we do that without breaking all of gui1? 20141203 17:38:58< iceiceice> i don't understand at all really how the display object interacts with gui1 / gui2 20141203 17:39:07-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 17:39:59< fabi> Well, the titlescreen is gui2 but the preferences is gui1. 20141203 17:40:28< fabi> Thus I think display being gui2 and having gui1 dialogs inside it shouldn't be much of a problem. 20141203 17:43:16< iceiceice> actually i think its a good sign that the chinese fork did not just throw out gui2 and use qt 20141203 17:44:04< iceiceice> probably they would have considered it 20141203 17:46:35< fabi> No. 20141203 17:46:46< fabi> I would like to see a Wesnoth based on qt. 20141203 17:47:12< fabi> gui2 slows down the development of wesnoth for over 5 years now. 20141203 17:47:52< fabi> We should have deceided to use an external gui toolkit ages ago. 20141203 17:48:20< iceiceice> i cannot tell if gui2 is 2/3 finished, 20141203 17:48:23< iceiceice> or 1/3 finished, 20141203 17:48:39< iceiceice> or if it is almost finished, but many bugs will remain which no one wants to fix... 20141203 17:48:58< fabi> qt just overs every possible widget you can imagine. 20141203 17:49:02-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@e176187110.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 17:49:07< iceiceice> making a widget toolkit is clearly really hard 20141203 17:49:13< fabi> it is 20141203 17:49:18< iceiceice> everyone has very specific expectations of how widgets should work 20141203 17:49:41< iceiceice> and dynamic layout stuff is quite complicated 20141203 17:49:55< gfgtdf> fabi: do you know why we frist send a [create_game] to the server and then the level data instead of putting it all into 1 package ? 20141203 17:50:12< iceiceice> if it were 5 years ago i would have advocated qt, now i am not sure if we are over the hump or not 20141203 17:50:21< fabi> gfgtdf: No, MP internals is not my field of expertise. 20141203 17:50:56< fabi> iceiceice: gui2 has not much developed during the last 3 or 4 years. 20141203 17:51:02< gfgtdf> fabi: ok i'll ask shadowm, although i think its not his field neigher. 20141203 17:51:15< gfgtdf> shadowm: do you know why we frist send a [create_game] to the server and then the level data instead of putting it all into 1 package ? 20141203 17:52:39< iceiceice> fabi: from my point of view, i would be much happier if wesnoth used qt 20141203 17:52:47< iceiceice> because then if i learn it, those skills are transferrable 20141203 17:53:12-!- cib0 [~cib@p5DD21EF4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20141203 17:53:13< iceiceice> gui2 is pretty complicated, the start time to start writing dialogs and widgets might be like a few days 20141203 17:53:27< vultraz> only mordante really knows how it all works 20141203 17:53:30< iceiceice> and then its only useful for wesnoth 20141203 17:53:35-!- cib0 [~cib@p5DD21EF4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 17:53:54< fabi> qt would also solve some or all problems with sdl. 20141203 17:54:23< fabi> Because you don't need it anymore. Everything sdl is able to provide should be included in qt as well. 20141203 17:54:40< vultraz> fabi: how much rewriting would converting to qt involve? 20141203 17:55:15< fabi> vultraz: Much. 20141203 17:55:49< fabi> Gut I am not stuck to qt. gtk+ does the job as well. 20141203 17:56:02< vultraz> what would it mean for users who create their own GUI dialogs in UMC? 20141203 17:56:06< vultraz> all questions to consider 20141203 17:56:07< fabi> Or maybe there is even a better suited lib out there. 20141203 17:56:19< fabi> Some engine lib that already handles hex fields for example. 20141203 17:57:05< fabi> vultraz: They need to switch to the qt syntax of course. 20141203 17:57:24< fabi> vultraz: But the good news is that there are generators, gui generators for qt dialogs. 20141203 17:57:32< fabi> Thus they don't need to be handcoded. 20141203 17:57:47< fabi> This is of course also true for wesnoth's own dialog. 20141203 17:57:48< fabi> s 20141203 18:00:11< iceiceice> we could retain gui2 dialogs as a backwards compatability thing 20141203 18:00:50< iceiceice> for a while 20141203 18:01:38< iceiceice> so also, what are the advantages of gui2 20141203 18:01:51< iceiceice> i guess one thing is that mordante has these unit tests that check the dialogs at all resolutions 20141203 18:02:00< vultraz> it's custom made, for one, which is both it's blessing and curse 20141203 18:06:44< fabi> The motivation behind gui2 was: At the time every Wesnoth developer agreed that all desktop gui toolkits are very ugly for using in games. 20141203 18:07:20< vultraz> But that was, what, 7 years ago? 20141203 18:07:35< fabi> Yes 20141203 18:08:18< fabi> And I think it was false at that time as well. Games with qt or gtk+ are ugly whenever the game project is not able or does not bother to replace the default themes of the toolkit. 20141203 18:08:53< fabi> I guess we have already enough artwork to completely theme qt and have a similar looking result. 20141203 18:09:35< vultraz> I guess now would be a good time as ever, given the recent interface revamp 20141203 18:09:49< fabi> There was also a nice speech about qt and games at fosdem this year. 20141203 18:10:40< fabi> vultraz: The problem is that no one man team can do it. This is a team thing. And we are not good at gathering teams. 20141203 18:10:59< fabi> It is much to big for a developer alone. 20141203 18:11:00< vultraz> Too true :P 20141203 18:11:13< vultraz> Look what happened with GUI2 when one developer tried to do it 20141203 18:11:48< fabi> Well 20141203 18:12:27< fabi> A full featured gui toolkit is always a multiple developers project on its own. 20141203 18:14:14< vultraz> We'll have to look into it 20141203 18:15:36< iceiceice> maybe there should be an email thread, or someone can try to make a proof of concept first and see how difficult it is 20141203 18:15:56-!- irker328 [~irker@uruz.ai0867.net] has quit [Quit: transmission timeout] 20141203 18:33:17-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20141203 18:43:35-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@e176187110.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0/20141125180439]] 20141203 18:45:29-!- iceiceice [~chris@wesnoth/developer/iceiceice] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20141203 18:56:54-!- cib0 [~cib@p5DD21EF4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20141203 18:57:40-!- cib0 [~cib@p5DD21EF4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 19:02:14-!- cib0 [~cib@p5DD21EF4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20141203 19:02:42-!- cib0 [~cib@p5DD21EF4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 19:06:09-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20141203 19:44:45-!- tomreyn [~tomreyn@megaglest/team/tomreyn] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 19:45:55-!- ancestral [~ancestral@63.92.240.233] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 19:49:43-!- ancestral [~ancestral@63.92.240.233] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20141203 20:04:54-!- irker191 [~irker@uruz.ai0867.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 20:04:54< irker191> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper website:master 376af815a6d5 / start/1.12/ (10 files in 2 dirs): updated Italian announcement translation http://git.io/addCqA 20141203 20:19:58< shadowm> gfgtdf: I don't know anything about the MP server protocol. 20141203 20:22:09-!- shadowm_desktop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowm] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 20:32:07< zookeeper> eh, right-click -> "terrain description" for an oasis just brings up a page for "Desert Sands /" 20141203 20:32:23< zookeeper> fabi, ^ would that be for you? 20141203 20:33:26< fabi> zookeeper: Yes, I will have a look. May I ask for a bug report at gna? 20141203 20:35:32-!- Coffee_irc [~david@ppp121-45-26-75.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 20:37:31-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 20:38:44< zookeeper> fabi, https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?23023 20141203 20:39:12< fabi> zookeeper: Thank you :-) 20141203 20:45:41-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20141203 20:45:54-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 21:04:41-!- EdB [~edb@89-158-11-138.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 21:14:10-!- cib0 [~cib@p5DD21EF4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20141203 21:17:33-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@f054051003.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 21:20:47-!- shadowm_desktop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowm] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20141203 21:20:53-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@84.120.181.42.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20141203 21:20:58-!- Gallaecio_ [~quassel@84.120.181.42.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 21:25:33-!- shadowm_desktop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowm] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 21:47:15-!- shadowm_desktop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowm] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20141203 21:48:46-!- shadowm_desktop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowm] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 22:02:47< zookeeper> happygrue, ghazi plays the slow sound even when missing the shield bash 20141203 22:03:52< zookeeper> ...not that the WML seems different than that of for example shaman 20141203 22:08:34< irker191> wesnoth: anonymissimus wesnoth:1.12 53aae073f0da / projectfiles/VC9/ (5 files): disable unknown pragma warning from boost header http://git.io/h0snUw 20141203 22:10:04< gfgtdf> shadowm: you have an idea who could know? 20141203 22:10:28< shadowm> No. 20141203 22:12:55< happygrue> zookeeper: okay, thanks 20141203 22:13:18< zookeeper> happygrue, maybe it doesn't happen every time, i dunno. i only heard it happen once. 20141203 22:15:12-!- TooLmaN [~TooLmaN@mail.thomsonplastics.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20141203 22:15:23< happygrue> I filed a report, will look later 20141203 22:21:33< fabi> How can I get rid of "Invalid WML found: [popup] not supported at scenario toplevel" ? 20141203 22:22:53-!- gfgtdf_ [~chatzilla@f054141172.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 22:24:48-!- Ardonik [~user@adsl-75-28-98-116.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20141203 22:25:05-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@f054051003.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20141203 22:25:18-!- gfgtdf_ is now known as gfgtdf 20141203 22:38:54-!- iceiceice [~chris@192.16.204.74] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 22:38:54-!- iceiceice [~chris@192.16.204.74] has quit [Changing host] 20141203 22:38:54-!- iceiceice [~chris@wesnoth/developer/iceiceice] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 22:39:07-!- shadowm_desktop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowm] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20141203 22:39:25< iceiceice> gfgtdf: i can take a look at this if you like, 20141203 22:39:33< iceiceice> but if you don't know, Soliton doesn't know, and I don't know, 20141203 22:39:40< iceiceice> and there is no code comment or commit message, 20141203 22:39:51< iceiceice> i would assume the answer is "no particular reason" 20141203 22:40:38< iceiceice> or "because when it was different, some bad thing happened" 20141203 22:41:00-!- shadowm_desktop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowm] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 22:41:14< iceiceice> *"because when it was different, some bad thing happened, long ago" 20141203 22:43:19-!- fabi [~quassel@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20141203 22:43:35-!- fabi [~quassel@p4FDB8649.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 22:43:35-!- fabi [~quassel@p4FDB8649.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20141203 22:43:35-!- fabi [~quassel@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 22:47:00-!- shadowm_desktop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowm] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20141203 22:47:27-!- [Relic] [~relic@99-58-54-211.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 22:48:49-!- shadowm_desktop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowm] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 22:49:34-!- EdB [~edb@89-158-11-138.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20141203 22:50:52< gfgtdf> iceiceice: we currently have a some state of wesnothd games that we call "uniinitilized" which is what teh games are faster [create_game] and before they receive teh level data 20141203 22:51:19< gfgtdf> iceiceice: to me it looks liek allowing such a state makes teh code unnexxecary complicated 20141203 22:52:29< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i just made a pull request: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/341 20141203 22:53:11< gfgtdf> iceiceice: although i think teh first commit is useful and unrealted of teh pr 20141203 22:53:14< gfgtdf> that* 20141203 22:54:12< zookeeper> happygrue, yeah, seems to happen every time 20141203 22:55:31< happygrue> okay, good to know. 20141203 23:00:42-!- zookeeper [zookeeper@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20141203 23:03:29-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20141203 23:14:06-!- mjs-de [~mjs-de@g228149209.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20141203 23:16:21< gfgtdf> iceiceice: also i wonder if simple_wml is supposed to be fast, why do we parse texts at all? woudn't it be faster to use a binary wml format for network wml? 20141203 23:16:55< iceiceice> gfgtdf: i thought that in the beginning, we mostly weren't even supposed to uncompress the messages 20141203 23:17:03< iceiceice> like for the level or whatever 20141203 23:17:27< iceiceice> they would just stay in gzip and get sent off that way also 20141203 23:17:37< iceiceice> but at some point we started decompressing them 20141203 23:17:56< iceiceice> there is some code comment along the lines "todo: make it do that again" or something 20141203 23:18:20< gfgtdf> iceiceice: we actually change teh level_ state durign mo connect on teh server 20141203 23:19:05< iceiceice> yeah 20141203 23:19:15-!- Coffee_irc [~david@ppp121-45-26-75.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20141203 23:19:17< iceiceice> maybe we could compress it once the game starts though 20141203 23:19:30< iceiceice> since the controller changes go in the history now 20141203 23:19:50< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i didnt taks about gzip, i talked instaead of using operator << use some other non text-based format which is optimized for faster parsing, for sending the configs over teh newwork 20141203 23:19:57< gfgtdf> iceiceice: teh controller changes dont go into teh gitsry 20141203 23:20:18< gfgtdf> iceiceice: the hstory is received duign playmp_controller 20141203 23:20:35< iceiceice> y but server side 20141203 23:21:12< gfgtdf> iceiceice: on the server side wwe also change the level_ data durign mp connect 20141203 23:21:26< iceiceice> y but after mp connect, the level shouldn't change anymore 20141203 23:21:39< iceiceice> and the controller changes just get recorded in the server history 20141203 23:21:51< iceiceice> unless you changed it again 20141203 23:21:59< gfgtdf> iceiceice: no i didnt 20141203 23:22:01< iceiceice> ok 20141203 23:22:05< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i think i missreay you ealier 20141203 23:22:08< iceiceice> oh ok 20141203 23:22:36-!- TooLmaN [~TooLmaN@c-174-56-210-230.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 23:23:13< gfgtdf> iceiceice: the problem is it qiet hard to change inple_wml, especiyl if i dotn know about teh prerfomance requirements 20141203 23:23:45< gfgtdf> iceiceice: but fast is that currently the server messes us translatable strings 20141203 23:23:54< gfgtdf> iceiceice: so we need to change it 20141203 23:24:59-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 23:26:24< gfgtdf> iceiceice: you you know how big teh overhead of reference counting is ? 20141203 23:26:28< gfgtdf> do you* 20141203 23:32:14< iceiceice> i mean it depends right? 20141203 23:32:40< gfgtdf> iceiceice: hm y i think that was a bad question 20141203 23:32:49< iceiceice> it depends on how often you dereference or move the pointer, 20141203 23:33:01< iceiceice> if you are using shared_ptr, its much better to use make_shared, 20141203 23:33:26< iceiceice> because then the counter and the actual data are going to be in the same cache page or whatever 20141203 23:33:35< iceiceice> so you don't get a cache miss when you dereference 20141203 23:33:54< iceiceice> (i'm not sure if i actually understand it accurately) 20141203 23:34:24< iceiceice> if you use intrusive pointer then the overhead should be really small... 20141203 23:34:37< iceiceice> but i'm not sure if its much different from make_shared 20141203 23:37:09-!- tomreyn [~tomreyn@megaglest/team/tomreyn] has quit [Quit: tomreyn] 20141203 23:38:07< gfgtdf> iceiceice: hmm ok 20141203 23:38:26-!- bumbadadabum [~bumbadada@d155109.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 23:39:06< iceiceice> http://eccc.hpi-web.de/report/2013/057/ 20141203 23:40:20< iceiceice> oops 20141203 23:41:31-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20141203 23:44:24-!- travis-ci [~travis-ci@ec2-54-82-63-73.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20141203 23:44:24< travis-ci> gfgtdf/wesnoth-old#395 (wesnothd_sides - d473187 : gfgtdf): The build passed. 20141203 23:44:24< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/gfgtdf/wesnoth-old/builds/42921688 20141203 23:44:24-!- travis-ci [~travis-ci@ec2-54-82-63-73.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20141203 23:52:26-!- shadowm_desktop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowm] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20141203 23:53:26-!- Ardonik [~user@adsl-75-28-96-218.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev --- Log closed Thu Dec 04 00:00:37 2014