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20141206 00:13:27< gfgtdf> zookeeper: thats actually a quite strange error message.
20141206 00:14:38< gfgtdf> zookeeper: was it Winter_Queen's turn whily you got that error message?
20141206 00:14:51< zookeeper> i... think so
20141206 00:15:00< zookeeper> not sure anymore
20141206 00:19:06< gfgtdf> zookeeper: actually teh server shoudl give you information about that in teh messaage like "current player is .."
20141206 00:19:32< zookeeper> oh right, it did, i just didn't type that :x
20141206 00:19:51< zookeeper> and i didn't store the screenshot
20141206 00:19:52< zookeeper> duh
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20141206 00:33:45< gfgtdf> hm i get a crash with no error message when i try to observer a game in 1.12 :s
20141206 00:38:45< zookeeper> great
20141206 00:39:21< zookeeper> i'm off for tonight though ->
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20141206 11:18:10< lipkab> anonymissimus: That's a mistake by me then - everything related to SDL_gpu should be guarded in an #ifdef.
20141206 11:18:29< lipkab> I can't commit right now, but I'll fix it asap.
20141206 11:18:40< lipkab> shikadibot: seen anonymissimus
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20141206 11:55:53< vultraz> Is it just me, or do the credits scroll like they're in the middle of an earthquake
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20141206 15:02:16< mattsc> Hi fabi.
20141206 15:02:51< mattsc> You’ve been looking for me?  Sorry, I’ve been traveling.  And I’m only here briefly right now also.
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20141206 17:46:22< gfgtdf> iceiceice: afaik the new "destructors cannot throw" rule in c++11 is just teh default can can be disable for classes individually, ofc that doesnt mean or destructors shoudl throw
20141206 17:46:46< un214> yeah destructors should not throw
20141206 17:47:00< un214> if it was in a stack rewind (and you have no way of knowing this) -> abort()
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20141206 18:18:06< iceiceice> gfgtdf: y but the default has changed is the point
20141206 18:18:22< iceiceice> we could go to all the destructors and mark them as throwing,
20141206 18:18:25< iceiceice> but we would have to do that
20141206 18:18:43< iceiceice> probably its better anyways to fix them
20141206 18:20:53< gfgtdf> iceiceice: yes but we can overwrite it for those calsses that are supposed to throw in their current implementation (maybe there are other classes liek save_blocker?), i dont think tht thae was weshould do it, but i dont think this woudl blcok us form using c++11
20141206 18:21:59< iceiceice> all i'm saying is someone should look at this stuff before its c++11
20141206 18:22:11< iceiceice> like on wesnothd and campaignd
20141206 18:22:30< iceiceice> since these bugs will now be much more severe if no action is taken
20141206 18:23:06< iceiceice> i mean the save_blocker thing is a bug C++11 or not
20141206 18:23:50< iceiceice> i only have looked at a fraction of the code, i don't know what other dtors are throwing
20141206 18:27:38< iceiceice> gfgtdf: do you know if these bugs are related to / fixed by "generic string" ? http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=41268
20141206 18:28:17< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i think that error output is quite strage, it says: "Conversion failed" which seens to come form boost
20141206 18:28:49< gfgtdf> iceiceice: however we usually do teh conversion ourselves  in https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/filesystem_boost.cpp#L143
20141206 18:29:33< gfgtdf> iceiceice: and if our codecvt fails we usually get that ERR_FS message about "Invalid UTF-8 string..."
20141206 18:29:49< gfgtdf> iceiceice: that error message is bnot present in theseterr.txt he posted
20141206 18:29:57< gfgtdf> not*
20141206 18:32:38< iceiceice> hmm
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20141206 18:33:57< gfgtdf> iceiceice: infortuately he is no dev so i cannot ask him for a stackrace,
20141206 18:34:02< gfgtdf> un*
20141206 18:34:33< iceiceice> yeah
20141206 18:36:24< gfgtdf> iceiceice: there is also nother filesystem related bug that has been fixed in 1.12.1 this one: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/filesystem_boost.cpp#L143
20141206 18:36:56< gfgtdf> iceiceice: but it doesnt seem liek its related
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20141206 18:39:48< gfgtdf> iceiceice: maybe that exception is not thrown by boost filesystem
20141206 18:41:03< iceiceice> maybe the linux guy can give a backtrace?
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20141206 18:43:13< gfgtdf> iceiceice: maybe
20141206 18:43:41< gfgtdf> iceiceice: it seems to be related to boost locale i think
20141206 18:44:07< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i acually dont know which local backaend our windows build uses
20141206 18:44:36< iceiceice> i think it is using boost filesystem & locale
20141206 18:44:58< iceiceice> maybe i didnt understand you
20141206 18:46:04< gfgtdf> iceiceice: boost.local ise more liek a interfacre whcih can have mutile implementations
20141206 18:46:26< iceiceice> hmm
20141206 18:46:36< gfgtdf> iceiceice: for example if you have icu libray installed it will use icu library instead of of system dependent implementations
20141206 18:50:32< iceiceice> maybe there should be some output when the game loads
20141206 18:50:35< iceiceice> to stderr
20141206 18:50:38< iceiceice> so that we can know
20141206 18:53:09< gfgtdf> iceiceice: we currently have some log about that in LOG_G i saked then to run nteh game eith log debug general
20141206 18:56:01< iceiceice> ah i see
20141206 18:56:53< gfgtdf> iceiceice: but it's not very much, i'll add more log in 1.12.1 i guess
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20141206 21:17:09< fabi> iceiceice: Hello
20141206 21:17:20< iceiceice> hi fabi
20141206 21:17:27< fabi> iceiceice: The qt experiment works.
20141206 21:17:44< iceiceice> is there a branch i can pull?
20141206 21:17:46< fabi> iceiceice: It is nice and exiting. I have first qt dialogs inside of Wesnoth.
20141206 21:18:21< fabi> iceiceice: I should not commit yet because the build system can't handle the qt library yet.
20141206 21:18:36< fabi> It compiles only by adding massive extra flags manually.
20141206 21:18:46< iceiceice> how are you compiling
20141206 21:18:50< fabi> scons
20141206 21:19:02< iceiceice> ok
20141206 21:19:18< fabi> No black magic.
20141206 21:19:28< fabi> Qt uses the pkgconfig tool.
20141206 21:19:49< fabi> Adjusting one of the existing python scripts for qt should be easy.
20141206 21:20:36< fabi> iceiceice: The qt qick thing is extremly nice. Never seen a gui system deliver working dialogs faster.
20141206 21:22:26< iceiceice> nice
20141206 21:23:02< fabi> sdl surfaces can be transformed in QImage objects easily.
20141206 21:24:08< fabi> The "Qt Markup Language" uses a different translation system than Wesnoth. But I think that can be solved easily.
20141206 21:25:35< iceiceice> sure
20141206 21:25:57< iceiceice> maybe its as simple as "typedef qStr _" or similar
20141206 21:26:04< fabi> Yes
20141206 21:26:42< fabi> I think it is something like "text = wesnoth._("Quit the Game")"
20141206 21:26:48< fabi> in qml
20141206 21:27:39< fabi> iceiceice: Let me see if I can fix the scons build system and commit into the branch.
20141206 21:28:05< fabi> Modal dialogs are working nicely out of the box.
20141206 21:28:44< fabi> I have failed to produce non modal ones yet.
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20141206 21:33:52< iceiceice> qt is supposed to have these "dialog creator" tools right?
20141206 21:37:20< lipkab> Right.
20141206 21:39:53< fabi> Yeah. But those I made are just coded. 
20141206 21:41:46< iceiceice> fabi: how much functionality do these widgets come with?
20141206 21:42:04< iceiceice> like, do the textboxes automatically support drag select and stuff like that?
20141206 21:42:45< iceiceice> with gui2 if we want that, we have to code it up ourselves manually, add it to all the classes, and implement it using library calls to pango or some such...
20141206 21:43:47< fabi> Hmmm. I don't know yet. Let's see.
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20141206 21:58:40< fabi> iceiceice: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtquick-externaldraganddrop-example.html
20141206 22:01:25< fabi> iceiceice: Note that everything is coded in qml and no c++ is involved.
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20141206 22:21:22< iceiceice> fabi: i didn't build the example,
20141206 22:21:40< fabi> It does not need building.
20141206 22:21:41< iceiceice> so what does it mean when they say you can drag from any application, cross-platform etc.?
20141206 22:21:57< iceiceice> all of our clipboard code and such is pretty complicated
20141206 22:22:09< fabi> The qml code can just be run in qt creator.
20141206 22:22:23< iceiceice> i didn't read about qt creator yet
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20141206 22:24:22< iceiceice> is there some list of desktops they will work with automatically? (X11, windows, growl, cocoa? whatever android uses?)
20141206 22:24:56< iceiceice> i would have expected that we would still have to use the existing code for this
20141206 22:26:31< iceiceice> ok, i ran `sudo apt-get install qt-sdk`
20141206 22:26:39< iceiceice> but when i try to run qtcreator i get some error about qtquick missing
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20141206 22:27:31< iceiceice> i guess it's a known bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator/+bug/1339628
20141206 22:28:21< iceiceice> ok now its working
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20141206 22:30:47< fabi> it supports x11, windows, mac, android and ios. and some more.
20141206 22:30:55< fabi> Should be similar portable than sdl.
20141206 22:31:55< fabi> Nokia bought TrollTech to make Qt their mobile phone gui toolkit.
20141206 22:33:20< iceiceice> i wonder if that extends also to all the little features
20141206 22:33:35< iceiceice> i mean its one thing to say we support x11, in that we will draw the widgets on the screen
20141206 22:34:01< iceiceice> its more to say that every little feature like drag and drop is supported
20141206 22:34:18< iceiceice> iirc all of our desktop integration code is broken on mac now
20141206 22:34:34< iceiceice> because we don't really have any active mac developers
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20141206 22:34:46< iceiceice> who are going to fix problems like that
20141206 22:35:07< iceiceice> i guess all our desktop stuff for growl is broken and needs to be upgraded to cocoa
20141206 22:35:19< iceiceice> presumably the copy and paste stuff is broken also i geuss, (i don't know)
20141206 22:35:32< iceiceice> if switching to qt will just magically make it work that is a significant benefit imo
20141206 22:36:02< iceiceice> being able to outsource crap like that would be very nice
20141206 22:37:28< fabi> I am sure Qt supports drag&drop on MacOSX.
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20141206 22:43:20< iceiceice> fabi: ok, that's pretty cool
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20141206 23:26:30< iceiceice> gfgtdf: i somewhat regret making wesnoth main catch all exceptions now :/
20141206 23:26:40< iceiceice> it makes it harder for people to give a backtrace on 1.12
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